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Toshiba Unveils 80GB 'iPod drive'

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the i-wanna-test-'shock-resistence' dept.

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sushant_bhatia_progr writes "The Register has an article about a new 80GB drive from Toshiba. Toshiba says it will ship an 80GB 1.8in hard drive in Q3 2005 - a year after it introduced the 60GB version that can currently to be found inside the iPod Photo. The 80GB HDD - model number MK8007GAH - comes in a 7.9 x 5.4 x 0.8cm casing. Toshiba will ship a 40GB version - model number MK4007GAL - that's just 0.5cm thick in the second quarter. It's lighter, too: 51g to the 80GB HDD's 62g. Toshiba's current 40GB and 60GB (model numbers MK4004GAH and MK6006GAH, respectively) 1.8in HDDs are 0.8cm thick, so the new drive should make for thinner mid-range iPods. Both drives spin at 4200rpm, offer an average seek time of 15ms and operate across an Ultra DMA 100 interface. They can take 500G operating shock and 1500G non-operating shock."

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I WANT TO PUT MY PEE PEE IN YOUR POO POO HOLE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11080538)

I want to put my PEE PEE in your POO POO HOLE.

Poz Needs Love! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11080539)

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Will it be cheaper? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11080542)

Is this going to bring the prices down though?

Oh, and FIRST!

Imagine a Beowu-- Never mind.

I was so excited until...... (4, Funny)

p.rican (643452) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080718)

I realized now Apple will have yet another high capacity music player I'll never be able to afford. Thanks Steve

Size Storage (4, Insightful)

odano (735445) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080546)

I think the shrinking of the 40hb hard drive from .8cm to .5cm is much more important than the creation of the 80gb model.

I think I would rather have a really thing 40gb model than a slightly larger 80gb model that probably will cost a lot more.

Re:Size Storage (5, Insightful)

ISEENOEVIL (206770) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080593)

This is a good point. From the time the iPods were first announced each iteration that came after continually became less thick and I think this is what really helped the iPod continue at its spot in #1. When you hand someone an iPod, they are first amazed by its dimensions and feel in their hand. As an owner of a 40gb iPod Photo, thickness went up considerably, and I think this would be the thickest portable harddrive/player that I would consider purchasing after owner the thinner previous models. Atleast with the size increase on the 40gb Photo the battery life went up instead of down, so this is probably what has to do with most of the thickness. Guess its a hard balance for Apple to find between thickness and battery life.

Re:Size Storage (2, Funny)

worst_name_ever (633374) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080594)

I think the shrinking of the 40hb hard drive from .8cm to .5cm is much more important

I dunno, 4000 bytes isn't really that big these days...

Re:Size Storage (2, Funny)

Black Perl (12686) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080774)

> I think the shrinking of the 40hb hard drive
from .8cm to .5cm is much more important


I dunno, 4000 bytes isn't really that big these days...


Actually, 40 harpibytes would be (40 * 1024) yottabytes, which is 49,517,601,571,415,210,995,964,968,960 bytes. That's pretty big, even by today's standards.

Re:Size Storage (1)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080613)

Well, I'm sure there's someone out there aching for an 80GB iPod.

And, thinking about the market in general, 80GB hard disk drives come in handy if you're Archos, etc selling what essentially will soon become portable PVRs.

Need 100GB+ (2, Informative)

Cybertect (85900) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080633)

I've got around 1200 CDs. Even 80 GB is going to be too small ripping with AAC at 160 KBps.

Still waiting...

Re:Size Storage (1)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080794)

2005/Q3?

Ah good, so that means it is safe to get a current top of the line iPod without worrying that a new one will come out, and the one you just got will be available for $100 less the next month.

Re:Size Storage (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11080639)

Me too. 80GB is far too much to need in a small portable device. If you need that much space then get an external USB drive.

I'd be more excited by 20GB microdrives

Stack two 40gig drives... (1, Interesting)

bs_02_06_02 (670476) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080781)

Stack a pair of 40gig drives to get to 1cm.
I know... battery drain for 2 drives... but you don't have to spool up both drives at once.

You could have separate archives on separate drives.
Really, you could use 3 drives, implement RAID.
All 3 drives could spin when docked.
Photos on one drive, video on one drive, music on 3rd drive.
40gig on .5cm drives?

Imagine... (0, Offtopic)

Niffux (824706) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080547)

A beowulf cluster of those, only used by old people in South Korea.

Re:Imagine... (2, Funny)

supergiovane (606385) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080631)

I, for one, welcome our new fresh jokes overlord!

Re: Imagine... (2, Funny)

gidds (56397) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080700)

...jokes...

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Re:Imagine... (1)

colmore (56499) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080712)

By slashdot standards, the old people in South Korea joke is brand new.

Oh and uh...

1. Natalie Portman
2. ?
3. Profit!

Slightly OT: Lay off the old South Koreans... (2, Informative)

parvenu74 (310712) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080634)

<RANT>
Okay, I thought the story about only the old people in South Korea using email was funny, and the spin offs of "In Korea only old people do {insert activity here}" were funny for a bit, but you people wanting to get in your crack about old Koreans on EVERY SINGLE THREAD are just not funny and are ruining what was a pretty funny joke in the process.
</RANT>

Re:Slightly OT: Lay off the old South Koreans... (0)

Gehenna_Gehenna (207096) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080711)

In Soviet Korea, old people do YOU!

{ducks}

Re:Slightly OT: Lay off the old South Koreans... (-1)

AlXtreme (223728) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080726)

In Korea only old people rant that jokes about old Korean people aren't funny anymore

Re:Slightly OT: Lay off the old South Koreans... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11080777)

In South Korea, only old people make bitter, offtopic rants at YOU!

slightly off topic but (1)

spiny (87740) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080551)

does anyone know of any mid-range digicams that use these or similar drives?
I'm guessing they are different to the 'IBM microdrive' yes ?

Re:slightly off topic but (2, Informative)

Folmer (827037) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080581)

I dont think that theese things exists, but you can have a look at www.dpreview.com and see for yourself..
The microdrives are micro harddrives in compact flash form factor.

Re:slightly off topic but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11080649)

IBM Microdrive qualify as one inch drives, not 1.8 inch as the said Toshiba

The real question is... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11080553)

can YOU take a 1500G blow.

Re:The real question is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11080586)

Of course you can, jumping off a fence and hitting the ground gives you a gee force of that magnitude, albeit for a fraction of a second.

Re:The real question is... (2, Insightful)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080687)

Actually, you probably can't. Assuming a 0.1" deformation of the bottom of your foot, you'd have to jump from 150" or 12.5 feet. If you landed without any other shock absorption (flex of your skeleton), you're almost certain to break somthing (you're ankles, most likely).

As a comparison, a typical dinner plate will survive about 100g, and most CRT computer monitors find their limit at about 75g. Highly sensitive inertial guidance system components are in the "extremely sensitive" range down around 15g.

Re:The real question is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11080730)

can YOU take a 1500G blow.

A 1500G blow? Heidi Fleiss sure is expensive these days.

Re:The real question is... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11080786)

can YOU take a 1500G blow.

There are a large number of IPod owners and Mac zealots on whom I would be more than happy to test that.

I'd sooner see (-1, Flamebait)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080561)

* More colours, white sucks

* Better battery life

* No DRM

* Decent remote option

* Digital I/O

I don't have 80GB of music (I have a 20GB player), storage of that kind will be more useful when video playback becomes mass market.

Re:I'd sooner see (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11080580)

* No DRM

STFU, you don't have to use any files that are DRM'd.

Re:I'd sooner see (1)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080606)

Maybe not, but Sony's new player lets you copy MP3s onto it but not off it. Does the iPod do similar?

Re:I'd sooner see (1)

geoffspear (692508) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080626)

The iPod will let you do whatever you want with your files. It's just a hard drive.

Apple doesn't provide software to let you pirate music using your iPod, but if you have half a clue (which I'm guessing you don't), it's not to hard to figure out how to copy a file.

Re:I'd sooner see (1)

buro9 (633210) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080627)

That's the killer feature I'm waiting for.

If the iPod just appeared as an external hard drive I would buy one today.

Some hardware should not be reliant on software (think cameras, phones, etc, etc).

This is where the iRiver comes into play :)

Re:I'd sooner see (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11080648)

They do... at least they do under XP and OSX for me. You may need to enable this functionality from the iPod settings under iTunes.

Re:I'd sooner see (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080670)

Maybe if you had done some research you would find out that you can use the iPod as an external hard drive.

Re:I'd sooner see (1)

buro9 (633210) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080725)

I have done research, and see that if you use it as a firewire drive and view hidden folders then you can see the 10 folders in which it stores mp3's, but that you still have to use third party software to update the iPod database.

What I want is simple... no required software, drag 'n' drop music onto it and it instantly appears.

That way I can use my iPod with my work computers (which are of course locked down) as well as my home computers.

It means I can use it to carry my music as well as play it. And yes it would permit piracy, but that's not what I want to do... I have a legitimate use in that I want to carry the music I have purchased and own back and forth and listen to it inbetween.

iRiver does this, iPod does not.

Actually it does (1)

acomj (20611) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080684)

On the mac anway (I don't know about windows). When you plug it in the ipod "mounts" onto your desktop and you can use it as a hard drive.

You can copy file on an off this like it was an external drive. There is a "urban legend" story of someone walking into a compusa with an ipod and walking out with a ipod full of software...

The music is in a "hidden" file (starts with a .) if I remember correctly. I think its easy to get the songs off, its just hard to put new songs on the ipod without itunes or some utility.

Re:I'd sooner see (1)

fafaforza (248976) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080691)

So when you plug an iPod in via USB, it doesn't come up as a separate drive? (Obviously I don't have one) Aren't there any hacks for that?

Re:I'd sooner see (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080754)

The iPod does appear as an external hard drive, but be aware that this is a separate concept from music being installed upon such a thing by dragging MP3s (I mention this only because I've told people a few times "Yes, it's just an external hard drive" and it's turned out the people asking the question were thinking more in terms of how you put music upon it.)

The iPod's music is stored in a set of "hidden" (you can see them with the shell in OS X, but not with the Finder or at all in XP) folders, together with various XMLish files that tell the iPod what's available and what the playlists are. To copy music from the iPod is a simple matter of finding the file. To copy music to the iPod requires updating the XML files. There are free software tools to do this.

But in essense, yes, it's a regular firewire (or with 3G and newer models USB and FW) hard drive. You can even partition it, as far as I'm aware.

Re:I'd sooner see (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11080637)

Maybe not, but Sony's new player lets you copy MP3s onto it but not off it. Does the iPod do similar?

Nope, there is a tool to copy songs off the iPod.

Re:I'd sooner see (4, Insightful)

Morgahastu (522162) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080617)

A thinner hard drive allows for a fatter battery.

Re:I'd sooner see (1)

fireboy1919 (257783) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080668)

Which may or may not have an effect on battery life. After all, the new drives could consume more power.

Re:I'd sooner see (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11080619)

> * More colours, white sucks

At the time of this writing, if I type "applestore.com" in my browser, the first thing
I see is a picture of pink and blue ipods.

Re:I'd sooner see (1)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080675)

I know I'll get flamed for this, but I have some money to blow on a toy for Christmas. Why should I buy an iPod over any of the other MP3 players out there like the Creative Zen? People seem to treat the iPod like the end-all-be-all of MP3 players, yet there seems to be dozens of different models out there. Why does anyone buy an iPod when they're more expensive than other models with similar specs?

Actually, now that I think of it, should I blow money on an MP3 player at all if I don't listen to music other than a single FM station and a handful of CDs in my car? I need a fun gadget to spend my money on or else it's just going to go towards paying off credit card debt. :-(

Re:I'd sooner see (2, Informative)

Flamefly (816285) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080791)

People buy it generally becuase it looks good, and it's understood to be a good quality product that is easy to use, and people are generally willing to pay more for a device they can 'trust'.

The disadvantage (for me) is the lack of a very long battery life, which is a common feature amongst most HDD based players, in my opinion, if you only listen to a few CD's each day, and you like the radio, go for a smaller 512mb or 1gb flash based device with a built in radio. iRiver ones seem to fit the bill nicely with battery-lives that dwarf the iPod, but again, they essentially are aimed at different areas of the same market, ask yourself "do I need it?" and base your decision off that.

And hell, pay off you're debts first, you work hard, probably doing a job you would rather not be doing and then you throw away your hard earned cash on interest payments for a credit card with which you bought shit you probably don't really need? Solve that first mate and you'll have more money overall to buy gadgets and gizmos.

Re:I'd sooner see (1)

KozmoStevnNaut (630146) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080682)

IMHO the iPod is nearly perfect as it is. The only reason I still don't own one is the lack of Ogg Vorbis support. Anything more than that is just gravy.

Re:I'd sooner see (1)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080704)

If you don't like the white then you've got the limited edition black with red dial version out right now as an alternative. Also, there are several companies out there that will customise a casing for you, so you're only limited by your imagination.

I do have to ask though, why the big obsession about colour? It's not as if the world and his brother can see whether your iPod is white, black, or blue with pink polka dots when it's jammed safely in your pocket.

As to your other points, well, here's a quick list of my own:

1. Smaller hard disks mean lower power consumption, so tick that box too.

2. DRM is a non-issue - you can rip your own music, you know.

3. 99 percent of people out there only use there iPod to listen to music on the move, and the remote that's supplied is good enough for all but a very small minority of people such as yourself. Just what do you call "decent" here anyhow?

4. Again, a feature that the overwhelming majority of current iPod owners probably don't even think about, but I'm sure that Apple will include one as soon as there's a compelling reason for them to do so.

5. Some people do have more than 40GB of music, so the larger drive will be good news for them.

Seriously, half the stuff you've written borders on ridiculous and the other half only matters to you and about four other people.

Re:I'd sooner see (2, Interesting)

dirty (13560) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080741)

* Better battery life

I've had my IPod for a few months now, and with a decent amount of usage I have yet to have the battery run out. It came close, once, while driving to Canada from PA.

* No DRM

Like the other poster said, you don't have to use any DRM'd files. You can throw all of the unprotected AAC or mp3 files you want on the thing. Also, Apple does let you do quite a bit with the files. You can share them on I think up to 5 devices now, and you can burn them to cd. I have yet to run into a situation where I wanted to do something with files I bought from the ITMS that I wasn't able to.

* More colors

Well you can buy that hideous U2 black and red IPod now.

* Decent remote

The inline remote Apple sells is pretty decent, it's just frustrating that they make you buy a new set of head phones with it.

* Digital I/O

Not really what the IPod is intended for. It's a portable personal music player, it's not meant to be connected to your home stereo, it's meant to be connected to head phones.

There are plenty of things I would change about the IPod, the first thing that comes to mind is for it to scroll song titles while you are browsing your library. Very often you get several tracks in a row with the exact same name and no way to tell them apart other than listening. This is especially true when it comes to audio books.

Re:I'd sooner see (2, Funny)

superdan2k (135614) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080745)

1. You don't like it? Buy a mini.
2. The iPod gets 12 hours now. The iPod Photo gets 15. Whaddaya want? A micro-fusion-reactor?
3. Only in fantasyland, buddy. DRM is pretty much necessary to keep Apple from getting sued out of business by the RIAA. You don't want DRM? Start a lobby group and make it illegal.
4. It's a portable music player, not a home stereo. Remotes are available as part of the Bose SoundDock and there's a third-party IR remote available.
5. The device is compact...where the hell are you going to cram a digital I/O (TOSLink) port?

You may not have 80GB of music, but those of us with hundreds of gigs' worth are drooling over the idea of an 80GB iPod.

Re:I'd sooner see (5, Funny)

Microlith (54737) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080806)

2. The iPod gets 12 hours now. The iPod Photo gets 15. Whaddaya want? A micro-fusion-reactor?

YES

Re:I'd sooner see (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080769)

Personally I'd like to see bigger drives than 80GB. I have an iRiver iHP-120. I had to make some compromises as the 20GB drive is too small. I like to use it as both a traditional portable, and as jukebox attached via Toslink to my stereo. OGG at Q5 is noticably degraded from the original CD, especially in the bass area. I had to use Q5 just to get all of my CDs on it to it. My CD collection ripped as MP3's at a similar-sounding quality level (~192 kbs VBR) consume well over 20 GB (the OGGs require 75% of the space, but drain the battery faster). At the end of the day, I would rather have FLAC on there... but that would require about 100GB.

Re:I'd sooner see (1)

humuhumunukunukuapu' (678704) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080779)

there is only DRM on iTunes purchases. it doesn't really have anything to do with the ipod. i have 4000 non-drm'd songs on my ipod.

Is it just me (1)

beatdown (788583) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080562)

or are there really not enough spec numbers in this synopsis?

Captain Obvious speaks - (4, Funny)

EvilStein (414640) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080565)

"I see a new, higher capacity iPod in the future..maybe just in time for MacWorld SF 2005..."

*cues fog machine*

Sounds like women (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11080566)

They can take 500G operating shock and 1500G non-operating shock.

so when..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11080569)

will we see this in the next ipod kill.... *gets assassinated* ~kalinga

shock values (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11080572)

I am not familiar with HDD tolerance levels. What does 500g and 1500g equate to? 3ft drop and 5ft drop? Can someone explain.

Re:shock values (2, Insightful)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080635)

500g, as in 500 times the acceleration of gravity. Ie, since the thing has a mass of 41g, using F=ma, it can stand a force of 196N while operating and 588N when it is not in use.

The Players should be able to withstand more then that much force though.

Re:shock values (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11080652)

eeek the mass is 51g, make that 245N when in use, and 735N when not in use.

Re:shock values (1)

ViolentGreen (704134) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080683)

From my experience, with the new models, the hard drive can take quite a lot but that doesn't matter if the LCD screen breaks on a single drop. That seems to be a pretty common problem. The older ones are more sturdy

Re:shock values (3, Informative)

KDan (90353) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080737)

it's an acceleration rate. G = 9.8m/s.

After a 1s fall, any object will be falling at 9.8m/s (constant acceleration for 1 s, starting at 0, will give that speed). It will also have travelled 4.9m.

If the iPod was stopped, say by the ground, in 10ms (probably in the right order of magnitude. Might be slightly shorter or longer depending the type of ground, whether you have a shock-absorbant casing around it, etc), it would have to take an acceleration of 9.8m/s / 0.01s = 980m/s^2 for 0.01s. That would be an acceleration of 980/9.8 = 100Gs.

So from 5m height, if the ipod falls straight on its side and the shock absorption of that floor + casing stops the ipod in 10ms, the acceleration will be 100Gs. if it stopped in 1ms, it would be 1000Gs.

Feel free to make your own measurements of the time it takes for the ipod to stop :-)

Daniel

how about adding a port for external drives? (4, Interesting)

djeddiej (825677) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080609)

How about just adding a small USB port that will hook up already existing external drives, and adapting the software just to read from it? I know it defeats portability a little bit, but then you could place in your car those old laptop hard drives in external chassis, filling them with music or movies, and then switching them on your iPod - like old 8-track cartridges?

That would be kinda' neat, kinda retro.

Re:how about adding a port for external drives? (1)

geoffspear (692508) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080681)

The market of people with more than 80GB of music is probably small enough that Apple can afford to ignore them.

That's actually a neat idea, but it really doesn't sound like a feature an iPod needs.

Re:how about adding a port for external drives? (2)

InfectedSector (811549) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080755)

Well, if support for lossless codecs such as FLAC were included, there would most likely be a market, for audiophiles, tape traders and the like. Most shows come in either FLAC or SHN, and traders are usually reluctant to reduce the quality of the recording.

When will we see these in (desktop) computers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11080615)

80GB is pretty much the size of my current HDD in my computer (a generic PC). So why is that drive so much bigger (standard 3.5" HDD)? And when will these tiny drives be built into desktop systems?

Re:When will we see these in (desktop) computers? (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080686)

Because that drive is so much faster too.

Unless you want a slow 4200 RPM hard drive with a 15ms seek time in your computer, I certainly don't! I like my 10000RPM SATA hard drive :-D

Re:When will we see these in (desktop) computers? (1)

KE1LR (206175) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080772)

This was my first thought too... that this would be a good drive for laptops. My laptop (Thinkpad T40) has a 2.5" 80GB 4200RPM drive in it. Yes, it's a bit slow but the extra capacity is nice.

Personally I think the person who suggested this would be great for digital video cams was right on target too.

Or maybe a movIePOD?

Oh so very close (1)

ihatewinXP (638000) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080761)

Well my mp3 collection now weighs in at 89 GB. I already have a 10 GB - so the question becomes do I forsake 9 gig of my precious music or wait for the eventual 100 GB version?

But wait, I also like having a few OS'es on the pod to boot from in case of emergency or boredom - so that is another 5 GB or so atg least. Backing up my home folder is crucial (what a neat feature) and is going to tack on another 10GB. Plus photos, movies and the like.

In fact this news is already outdated for me. Wake me when the 200GB comes out (hopefully they will have ported MAME to the ipod by that point ;)

500G operating shock (1, Funny)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080618)

At what speed a disgusted user can throw it because it don't "operate"? In fact, wonder what kind of action/device can generate 500G or what would be the size of the biggest piece of the owner of the disk if suffer that.

Re:500G operating shock (1)

Enigma_Man (756516) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080685)

Even a small drop onto a hard surface can generate 500 g's, it's all a matter of how it lands, and what you're landing on. If you hit a tiled or hardwood floor, it's going to be a lot more than landing on a carpet.

-Jesse

Re:500G operating shock (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11080688)

500G = 4 903.325 m / (s^2)

Assuming you throw your brand new iPod with a speed of 1 m/s (not a very angry throw), if the iPod grinds to a complete halt in 1 / 4 903.325 = 0.0002s, the G-force will be exactly 500G. 3m/s will give you 1500G.

Re:500G operating shock (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11080765)

fall one meter, stop in 2mm (compression of rubber padding or case deformation) and you have 500g...

Re:500G operating shock (1)

harrouet (657486) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080763)

1G = 10 N.m^-1.
The device weights 62g (80GB).
So, provided your shock lasts about 10^-6 seconds, 500G leaves you until about 580 km/h.
likewise, 1500G => 1740 km/h. ... which is plenty.

Re:500G operating shock (2, Informative)

HHaygood (40026) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080768)

A one-inch drop onto concrete generates forces of around 200G. A one-meter drop generates between 8000 and 10000G.

Even with flexion of the case, I'd suspect that an iPod falling off a belt would subject the drive to at least 500G.

Re:500G operating shock (1)

ceeam (39911) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080788)

Actually, _any_ speed can generate infinite G _if_ the bodies in contact are absolutely rigid. So - if you drop it from 3 feet to marble floor I guess you can have a hell of deceleration especially if drops flat, especially with it being ultra-small and thin and all that.

But why do they insist making Ipods of these? (4, Interesting)

gsasha (550394) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080629)

I'd rather see a hard-drive-enabled video cam. No need for tapes, easy editing... don't feel like I have to continue.
And it better be 80 GB, not the measly 4GB like in some recent news...
I really believe that a device like this would win the market... it's beyond me why is nobody making them yet on mass scale.

Because people buy them (2, Interesting)

parvenu74 (310712) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080667)

In fact, they are buying LOTS of them... and if the damn thing supported FLAC I would buy it too and load up the whole 80 or 100 or 120 GB it offered (I don't want to hear about iPods supporting AppleLossless -- that is not an open format so I don't plan on using it).

But a HDD based video camera would be nice too.

Re:Because people buy them (2, Interesting)

gsasha (550394) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080715)

Ok, you misunderstood me. I'm not ranting about IPODs - they're nice and well. I'm ranting that there is an obvious and cool application of this technology that they seem to be missing.
I was actually planning to buy a digital video cam, but the moment I thought about the possibility of HD-based one, I decided to postpone the whole thing and wait for them to appear.
It may take a year or two, but I'm pretty confident they'll be the new rage. And all necessary technology is already here.

HDD on digicam (2, Interesting)

parvenu74 (310712) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080773)

There in only one reason I can think of that small hard drives are not currently used on digicams: power consumption. If the iPod (and its imitators) were not caching info to flash memory and having to run their mini hard drives all the time, the longevity of both the battery and the hard drive itself would be significantly reduced. Unless you are willing to compress all video shot on your camera, the memory format will need to be able to write at a speed of no less than 25 Mbps and flash memory is only now getting up to that point -- and it's ain't gonna be cheap for an application like this, methinks.

Re:But why do they insist making Ipods of these? (2, Insightful)

iantri (687643) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080707)

There are a few issues with this idea, though:

1. The hard drive is only 4200 RPM. Not really fast enough for video capture/editing. Maybe doable if the camera has MPEG-2 compression on-board, or something, but it is cutting it close.

2. You can carry as many tapes as you want with you. If you need more storage, you stick in another tape. The same can't be said for hard drive based cameras.

and finally (you'll think I am mad for saying this)..
3. Editing is EASIER with a tape-based system. Sure, you can't do some advanced things (such as chopping out a segment, rearraging clips, etc.), but the sort of interface needed to do these complex tasks would be very difficult and out of place on a camcorder. With a tape based system, you just rewind and hit 'REC' again to record over something. More complex editing can be done by dubbing (which is extremely straightforward itself), or on a computer.

Re:But why do they insist making Ipods of these? (1)

bhima (46039) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080742)

I think this would look great in DSLR such as a Canon 1Ds Mark II...

Come to think of it, it would make a better fit in my PowerMac Cube too!

Oh my goodness, (0, Redundant)

-acksaw (537013) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080640)

they gave it more storage space? I would have never seen that one coming.

80Gb = 22 Days (3, Interesting)

rf0 (159958) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080646)

So this gives approx 22 Days of music. So now if the battery last this long it would be worth it

Rus

Re:80Gb = 22 Days (1)

ViolentGreen (704134) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080724)

So this gives approx 22 Days of music. So now if the battery last this long it would be worth it

This is getting as old as the windows BSOD jokes. I'm sure all the Rio Karmas an d Irivers out ther will last 22+ days.

Re:80Gb = 22 Days (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11080790)

Errr, doesn't that depending on the bitrate? I have 100GB of FLAC files that would last less than 2 weeks.

iPod is old technology (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11080653)



but if you want to put 80gb in my mp3 playing cellphone/pda [sonyericsson.com] , please do it quickly :)

Rio Karma upgrade possible? (1)

TokyoBoy (217214) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080656)

So, I wonder if these drives could be used to upgrade the Rio Karma....Anyone have an idea?

Great now (2, Funny)

reconflux (839833) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080664)

if someone would only port MAME to the iPOD, i'd stop crying.

80 gb (0, Offtopic)

simon hughes (826043) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080694)

... that's more storage than my laptop has. :-O

IPod? No, PDA! (2, Insightful)

fireboy1919 (257783) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080714)

A PDA with this kind of drive in it could be used to store 120 or so movies (well...mine only gets 320x240 resolution, and I'm assuming good compression like DIVX).

They already have video units like this, but for some reason they think that if your PDA does this then it doesn't have to be able to do anything else.

apple marketing semantics (1)

beaverfever (584714) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080729)

"1.8in HDDs are 0.8cm thick"

You mean .8cm thin. Sheesh - get with it.

God news for iRiver H120 owners (1)

Ulbrekt (661903) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080739)

The 40 GB drive will fit in an iRiver H120! My old 20 GB drive is almost full.

Do some math... (3, Interesting)

dark-br (473115) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080748)


80GB storage
6MB mp3 file
--------------
13.334 songs
99 cents/song
--------------
1.326 bucks to full load the damn thing!!!

Re:Do some math... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11080789)

Not all mp3s cost money. Thanks to http://www.archive.org/audio/ [archive.org] I have about 60GB of mp3s at no cost to me.

I just wish they were buyable.... (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080749)

...the 1,8" disks are completely unbuyable. I'd love to replace my 20GB disk with the 60GB one (laptop) - except even though they've been announced ages ago, are in the iPods and are shipping, there's nowhere to buy just the disk :/

RAID mirroring in devices (1)

dangermen (248354) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080757)

The storage is getting small enough that vendors could actually start making RAID available in their devices.

ie. mirror all changes over to second drive when I tell it to. Remember, IPods can be used for more than just music1

Compact Flash Type II deminsions .5cm thick (1)

cmiller173 (641510) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080766)

If that 40GB could be put in a CF form factor the people with the high end digital cameras would likely get excited. At only 5mm thick it seems like it's heading that way.

anyone know how thick the ipod mini drives are? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11080770)

if they're 0.5cm, or close to that, this may be seen as a way to expand the capacity of the mini - or at least heading that way.

Great (1)

Remlik (654872) | more than 9 years ago | (#11080797)

Now can I please get a 10 or 20 gig IPod for $99?

Bastards.
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