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More on Apple/Motorola Joint Cell Phone Venture

CowboyNeal posted more than 9 years ago | from the gross-conjecture-reigns dept.

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1+(smarterThanYou) writes "Forbes.com has an article with updates on the previous Slashdot story on the Motorola/Apple iTunes compatible mobile phone. 'Apple Computer and Motorola could soon show us the mobile phone they are developing to play music purchased from Apple's iTunes online music store. 'We've said we have something coming on this in the first half of 2005 and we're definitely on schedule for that. Hopefully you'll be able to see more about it soon,' says Eddy Cue, vice president in charge of applications at Apple.'" Theories about this device showing up at the next MacWorld Expo abound.

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first (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11113220)

first post

apple is for faggots BREATH MANUALLY (1)

ThinkAboutYourBreath (735770) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113289)

Hello, and THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING

Yes that's right, THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING. Why you might ask? Well it's simple!

Your brain usually takes care of breathing FOR you, but whenever you remember this, YOU MUST MANUALLY BREATH! If you don't you will DIE.

There are also MANY variations of this. For example, think about:

  1. BLINKING!

  1. SWALLOWING SALIVA!

  1. HOW YOUR FEET FEEL IN YOUR SOCKS!

  1. THAT ANNOYING SONG THAT GETS STUCK IN YOUR HEAD!


In conclusion, the THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING troll is simply unbeatable. These 4 words can be thrown randomly into article text trolls, into sigs, into anything, and once seen, WILL FORCE THE VICTIM TO TAKE CARE OF HIS BREATHING MANUALLY! This goes far beyond the simple annoying or insulting trolls of yesteryear.

In fact, by EVEN RESPONDING to this troll, you are proving that IT HAS CLAIMED ANOTHER VICTIM -- YOU!

Re:apple is for faggots BREATH MANUALLY (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11113367)

I have been breathing manually for seven years now, and I wouldn't trade it for the world.

I would have applauded your efforts to bring others to this powerful state of mind, but you have sullied the pureness of this discipline, and degraded the beauty of this ability with your comment about Apple.

Don't think about how disappointed I am. You are my troll-bitch.

Re:apple is for faggots BREATH MANUALLY (-1, Troll)

kurt555gs (309278) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113375)

Whew, Where are the BSD using goatse posting GNAA when you really need them?

Prolly at thier jobs at vzw thinking up new ways to screw up fone service, or trolling /.

Cheers

Oh I wont even mention a cell phone cluster, or how they log on to you(r) ear

I see... (-1, Redundant)

tektek (829733) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113222)

So no real news? ...Oh, it's about Apple/iTunes/iPod. Nevermind. :)

Re:I see... (2, Interesting)

4what4 (196829) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113257)

well, motorola is the company that is going to be delivering the application, so I think the apple related logo at the top has got to go........

anyway, Eddy Cue is about to be fired, leaking a comment a couple weeks before macworld, and a couple of days before christmas????? not that any of his comments are going to slow down the sale of any apple produced products, it is still a slip and he must be cut loose, there can't be any leaks in the apple ship

Apple and the letter 'P' (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11113466)

P is for penis, that's good enough for me
P is for penis, that's good enough for me
P is for penis, that's good enough for me
Oh, penis penis penis starts with P!

--Macintosh, a family computer.

Flash-based iPod actually a phone? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11113223)

Could this phone be the rumoured flash-based iPod?

Re:Flash-based iPod actually a phone? (5, Informative)

PabloJones (456560) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113374)

I believe that Steve has specifically said in the past that Apple would not be making a cell phone anytime in the near future.

But maybe he's had a change of heart. Afterall, if Apple came out with a phone, people would be drooling over it... stylish and easy to use, plus iTunes support. Who knows.

Re:Flash-based iPod actually a phone? (1)

MADCOWbeserk (515545) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113591)

Or maybe it could be the first cell phone with HD. I still think they will squeeze one in a PDA first.

Re:Flash-based iPod actually a phone? (1)

asland (26316) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113642)

The Zaurus SL-3000 has a 4GB hard drive. Available in Japan only, of course.

Re:Flash-based iPod actually a phone? (1)

RevAaron (125240) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113703)

The Zaurus SL-3000 has a 4GB hard drive. Available in Japan only, of course.

It's not like the HD in the Zaurus really does anything you couldn't do before. I mean, there are plenty of PDAs you can buy today where you can get bluetooth, wifi and a hard drive- bigger than 4 GB even. You can't do this on the Zaurus, not even the SL-C3000- not unless you want to get weird and add one of those big, ugly serial bluetooth dongles. *shudder*

I had a 10 GB hard drive in my Jornada 720 2 years ago. Before that, I had a 2 GB HD- and that 2 GBer only cost $70! Cheap as all get out. I still had wireless even. No bluetooth, but I had no need for it then and still don't. I even had that 2 GB drive in my Newton MP2100. First HD in a PDA, indeed.

I wouldn't quite say only available in Japan... You can order one and get it shipped to you anywhere in the world very easily, no more work than any other online store.

Re:Flash-based iPod actually a phone? (2, Informative)

RevAaron (125240) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113683)

There are already two cell phones with 4 GB hard drives. I can't recall which models they were, but they are totally Japan-only deals. Check on engadget [engadget.com] , that's where I've seen the stories.

Re:Flash-based iPod actually a phone? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11113675)

I dont want any Macromedia Flash crap on my phone. (Or even active-x). Another virus path.

iPhone, uPhone we all phone for iphone... (4, Funny)

Wacky_Wookie (683151) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113231)

I wonder if there will be a U2 Edtion of the phone, all black, and with a #14 Key :)

I also want a Moof ring tone!

/end apple fan-boy-rant

I'm still waiting... (1)

dnaboy (569188) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113261)

For the U2 edition newton.

Re:iPhone, uPhone we all phone for iphone... (1, Offtopic)

Capt'n Hector (650760) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113454)

About that #14... is there a reason behind it, or did U2 really think that it was 4?

For those who don't know, in U2's "Vertigo," Bono chants at the beginning of the song "uno dos tres quatorce (sp?)" which is "1 2 3 14 in spanish... strange.

Re:iPhone, uPhone we all phone for iphone... (1)

alanoneil (749691) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113574)

I believe it is not actually Bono, but a sample from some other song that is incorrect.

And 14 is 'catorce' in Spanish.

Re:iPhone, uPhone we all phone for iphone... (0, Offtopic)

wankledot (712148) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113706)

I'd really like to know the answer to this as well. It bothers me every time I hear it.

Not to shabby (5, Insightful)

Flyinace2000 (687336) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113240)

Cellular would be the next logical area for apple to explorer. While i think a dedicated Apple Cellular phone would be interesting i don't think it would fly. A joint venture would be a good alternative. Make a slimmed downed ituens for a mobile device. Though i dobt VZW would carry such a cool phone...i mean they finally got bluetooth and look how that mess turned out.

Already in bed? (3, Informative)

sweetaction (649666) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113352)

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2002/jul/17isync.h tml [apple.com] Cingular and Apple are already buddies. With Moto's exclusive offering of the new RAZR phone with Cingular, perhaps are budding relationship will truly blossom with an iPhone to tie it all together.

Go Apple.

Vice President? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11113241)

If Eddie Cue has pre-empted the suprise and fawning over what could have been a Steve Jobs suprise announcement then Mr. Cue may very well be a Former Vice President by the time MacWorld Expo rolls around.

Macintosh 1 button mouse...now the 1 button phone? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11113268)

Seeing as how macintoshes stuck with 1 button mice. I hope I can navigate on the phone with 1 button...=/

Re:Macintosh 1 button mouse...now the 1 button pho (4, Funny)

goon america (536413) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113340)

I bet you'll have to madly spin around a little touch wheel in order to dial it. Like a rotary phone.

Re:Macintosh 1 button mouse...now the 1 button pho (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11113343)

I'm just old enough to remember phones with no buttons or dials.

Re:Macintosh 1 button mouse...now the 1 button pho (2, Funny)

voxlator (531625) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113381)

Nah, no problem - it's easy.

You hreak the number you want to dial either by;
  • Whistling various frequencies into the mic for each number to dial
  • Rapidly tapping on the single button, tapping out each number in sequence.

That said, I'm sure it will be a hit with the /. crowd :)

--#voxlator

One is all you need - seriously (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113397)

Wouldn't you like to be able to navigate address books to dial a phone vial the scroll wheel and single click button, just like an iPod? I know I would...

Potentially this new phone could all cross licence the UI and be a real boon for Motorola.

As for diaing numbers not in the address book - voice reognition, I'd wager.

Re:One is all you need - seriously (2, Interesting)

ATomkins (564078) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113465)

For some reason, I don't think this idea of yours [mobile-gadgets.net] will take off...

As two rumors converge (5, Interesting)

xxblackice (547066) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113269)

it seems that this phone + mp3 player might be the convergence of the "flash based" ipod [appleinsider.com] and the apple/motorola venture. Mac heads gotta have their lifeblood flowing...rumors...mmmm

hurray (0, Flamebait)

spac3manspiff (839454) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113272)

sarcasm>
Now we get white shiny phones with bluetooth
/Sarcasm>

Hey fag.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11113273)

yeaahh you...
hey fag fag faggy fag fag
all of my fears came true

black and blue and broken bones
come fuck me hard, I'm all alone
my little faggy wanted something new..

nothing can sop me now,
i don't sleep anymore
nothing can stop me now
cause I just don't sleep

What brand name? (4, Insightful)

dnaboy (569188) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113279)

I wonder whether this will be branded as an Apple phone or as a Motorola phone. Seeing as Motorola's marketing gusto seemed to die with the Star-Tac, I'm personally rooting for an Apple phone.

Re:What brand name? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11113315)

Uh... seen the "Hello Moto" ads lately?

Re:What brand name? (1)

Kiryat Malachi (177258) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113404)

Yes. With the sole exception of the RAZR ad that's sporting a really good Dabrye song, they're pretty uniformly awful.

Re:What brand name? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11113358)

Introducing the mPod...

Re:What brand name? (0)

Kenja (541830) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113502)

" wonder whether this will be branded as an Apple phone or as a Motorola phone."

Approla or Motople.

DUH! (1)

tarunthegreat2 (761545) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113524)

You forgot Apple-Moto, you insensitive CLOD!
In Soviet Russia, Mobile phones make lame jokes (like these) about YOU!
And for the grand-finale...(rimshot)...I, for one, welcome our single-mouse-button-mp3-player-trendsetting-moto-b randing overlords.

Mobile Device Teams (5, Interesting)

wallitron (308146) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113288)

So many things are becoming an addition to the mobile phone, and different groups teaming up to cover their core areas. Obviously Sony are placed fairly well at the moment with their audio, imaging, comms and gaming devices. Who else will team up to compete?

Personally, I'd love to see the Nintendo technologies meshed with Apple and Motorola. To me both Apple and Nintendo, lean towards highly usable, simple technology with high build quality.

Who else is next?

-----

Glen Williams [geocities.com]

Re:Mobile Device Teams (1)

zagmar (20261) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113643)

Canon and Nokia team up with Creative to release a high-end camera/mp3 ringtone phone.

Hijinks ensue.

So now (0, Offtopic)

lheal (86013) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113291)

... we can listen to people on airplanes singing along to their cell phones.

"...whiskey for my men, beer for my [urph] hosses!"

ipod add-on speculation (2, Funny)

cycledance (812080) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113292)

i hope they come up with an add-on to merge two everyday gadgets...it would eliminate the need to have an ipod AND a mobile phone in my pocket

The town bike (0, Flamebait)

gremlins (588904) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113296)

Wow first the merger with IBM now a team up with Motorola. Apple is like the town bike slashdot stories everyone is getting a ride.

Re:The town bike (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11113640)

when did they ever merge with IBM?

Apple can do what noone else can... (0, Flamebait)

Duncan3 (10537) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113300)

You heard it here first, Apple will invent the iPhone, the first phone in the world to work as ... a PHONE!

Because ya sure as heck can't but a phone now, sure a PDA, or a camera, or any of that, but nothing that you can use to talk to people with for more then 15 seconds at a time, with a battery that lasts more then 30 minutes before the thing superheats and burns your hand.

They will sell exactly ONE of them, to me, since I'm the only one on the planet that wants such a rediculous product!

Assuming you were serious (1)

lheal (86013) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113364)

Get a Kyocera. I have a 2325, but I don't know if they still sell them. The battery life is great, the sound is fine, and there are no moving parts to break.

I get about two hours of talk time on a full charge, which takes an hour or so. Idle time charge lasts about four days, sometimes more (if I stay near a tower). It doesn't suffer from heat problems.

And it has Tetris.

Re:Assuming you were serious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11113470)

Get a Kyocera. I have a 2325, but I don't know if they still sell them. The battery life is great, the sound is fine, and there are no moving parts to break.

I get about two hours of talk time on a full charge, which takes an hour or so. Idle time charge lasts about four days, sometimes more (if I stay near a tower). It doesn't suffer from heat problems.

And it has Tetris.


Obviously you didn't read the guys post properly. He want's a phone, not portable Tetris. ;-)

Re:Assuming you were serious (1)

ikea5 (608732) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113676)

"there are no moving parts to break."

ahh the wonderful technology of telepathic dialing...

Re:Assuming you were serious (1)

Commander Trollco (791924) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113697)

2135 owner here: The battery life is indeed awesome, if only the battery meter would behave properly! I can't count the number of times I've been killed by an automatic shutdown only to have my phone decide that is has a full charge one minute later. Perhaps you have some experience with this...

Mod parent up (0, Troll)

sahonen (680948) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113481)

'cause I want one.

Re:Apple can do what noone else can... (1)

mlk (18543) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113595)

I went into a phone shop two days ago.
Most major phone companys had a camera & java-less phone!
http://www.nokia.co.uk/nokia/0,,46548,00.html [nokia.co.uk]

Apple is killing the iPod Image (0, Flamebait)

dteichman (815136) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113301)

The iPod's image is a small object that is stylish, easy to use, and has enough space for your music. Through doing BS like this, they are destroying that image that has been so successful. The only advantage of having a phone that plays music purchased from Apple's music store is the fact that people will be buying their ringtones from Apple instead of the service provider. Of course, you will end up with people who think this crap is really 'schweet' and they will use their iPhones to play music extremely loudly from the phone's crappy built-in speakers.

Re:Apple is killing the iPod Image (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11113330)

Through doing BS like this, they are destroying that image that has been so successful.

This may be a whacky idea, but have you considered waiting until you actually see a product before you condemn it?

Re:Apple is killing the iPod Image (5, Insightful)

CALI-BANG (14756) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113391)

i have mod points, i can modded you up but i'll just reply instead.

for now, iPod is doing well; but sooner or later some competitors will catch up.

this things happens in the philippines and i dunno how it affects other parts of the world. 7 years ago, star-tac is the king; it was overrun by nokia when nokia 3210 comes out of the market -- and then stays the lead until now and very very few people are buying motorola phones. 4 years ago, ericsson is not doing well in mobile phone market ... and now after teaming up with sony -- they capture the old market formerly held by nokia.

This joint venture by Apple and Motorola is a win-win for both of them. Design/Interface/Usability teams will add value to a technology competitive products from Motorola -- like what Sony did to Ericsson.

Re:Apple is killing the iPod Image (1)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113413)

Or they could be bringing the iPod's image to the phone world.

Sure, everyone's used a cellphone already... but we haven't see what Apple can pull out of their hat for the phone world yet.

Re:Apple is killing the iPod Image (1)

dteichman (815136) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113463)

Not that Apple doesn't make some nice stuff, but do you really want to see a Apple-designed cell phone? Phones would become almost status-symbols.

Imagine: iPod2

Re:Apple is killing the iPod Image (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11113605)

aren't they already? what about the people with the super itty bitty phones, etc.?

Re:Apple is killing the iPod Image (1)

Methuseus (468642) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113677)

Are cell phones really not status symbols for many people already? Or do I live in a different world than you?

Re:Apple is killing the iPod Image (1)

dteichman (815136) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113685)

A phone is not a real status symbol. It is more of an accessory now. Like a bracelet or necklace.

Re:Apple is killing the iPod Image (1)

justMichael (606509) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113526)

The iPod's image is a small object that is stylish, easy to use, and has enough space for your music. Through doing BS like this, they are destroying that image that has been so successful. The only advantage of having a phone that plays music purchased from Apple's music store is the fact that people will be buying their ringtones from Apple instead of the service provider. Of course, you will end up with people who think this crap is really 'schweet' and they will use their iPhones to play music extremely loudly from the phone's crappy built-in speakers.
uhh, Maybe it will be a phone with a hard disk that will be able to play FairPlay encrypted files.

Or if you prefer, an iPod that has a phone in it.

If all it did was play AAC ringtones I don't know that Apple would waste the ink on a contract with Motorola.

If I can remove one more item from my pocket, it's a win. Although personally my keys annoy me more than anything else.

Heh (-1, Offtopic)

Eric(b0mb)Dennis (629047) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113303)

Oh, great.

With all these people buying iPod's solely because they're a 'status symbol'... remember cellphones in 96-01.... combine the two and you have the ULTIMATE LOOK COOL DEVICE

I can see it now, a poor kid taking out his iPhone and talking into it (with nobody on the other line, of course) pretending to look cool....

yow yow yow

Re:Heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11113307)

Does Polly want a cracker?

Huh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11113389)

I think phones are past status... the numbers are swinging to wireless for future communications...
Although I am currently considering dropping my t-mobile service for a landline, and dropping the cable modem for dial-up... (I couldn't possibly be the norm tho.)
I'm trying to be frugal in '05.

motorola quality? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11113313)

hopefully it won't feel like a plastic toy. maybe someday motorola will take a look at samsung and build a quality phone.

Motorola's in big trouble (-1, Offtopic)

glrotate (300695) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113316)

With Nextel's network going away in the next few years moto needs a major new source or revenue.

An Apple Rep made a comment about future products? (1)

ravenspear (756059) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113317)

Will Eddy be keeping his job?

One feature I hope for. (4, Insightful)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113327)

Is a lockout by Apple that prevents cellular companies from charging every time you want to transfer a tune, photo, or other stuff via Bluetooth.

Every phone that I could use in my area is hobbled by SOB carriers who view BT as headset only, and charge for transfer of photos, ringtones and everything else.

Not that I want the latest MP3 of Poo Doody as my ringtone, or want to take blurry, oversaturated photos with my phone...It's the principle of the thing...

May Apple destroy the phone market as they have beaten the mp3 market.

Re:One feature I hope for. (2, Informative)

austad (22163) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113439)

Then buy your phone from somewhere like MobileBee [mobilebee.com] Only the carrier branded phones are crippled, the rest are wide open as the manufacturer intended.

I picked up a K700i a few months ago there, and it's nice that I can use all of the features on it. You will pay quite a bit more for the phone though, but if you use your phone as much as I do, it's worth it. Wireless bluetooth tether to a laptop for net access is a lifesave sometimes.

Re:One feature I hope for. (4, Insightful)

THotze (5028) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113564)

I think you've got a point here.... you look like you're willing to pay for a nice, well-made phone that's stylish, well-made and has features you want in an easy-to-use manner, like what the Mac is to computers (arguably, but go along with me on this one) or what the iPod is to MP3 players.

Some other people have pointed out that when people have gotten 'cool' phones in the past with popular features - say, bluetooth synchronization with computers - cell networks lock them out.

I think Steve Jobs realizes how much money could be made in a phone that syncs with bluetooth the way its made to be done, as is evidenced by iSync, etc.

And I think that Apple may be the only company in the position to get people to do what cell phone companies can only dream of - PAY for a consumer phone. Even if the phone is $500, there's a chance - a decent one - that Apple, if it is Apple-branded, could make it sell, just the way that Apple sold the original iPods so well, despite their price and that they were Mac-only for so long.

Tim

Re:One feature I hope for. (2, Informative)

adrew (468320) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113614)

I have a Sony Ericsson T610 [sonyericsson.com] camera phone with T-Mobile service and a D-Link Bluetooth dongle. I can transfer whatever I want (MIDI ringtones, pictures, wallpaper, whatever) to and from the phone for free. Of course, I get charged if I take a picture and beam it to someone else through T-Mobile--but it's just as easy to move it to my Mac and email it.

Apple includes a very good Bluetooth utility for browsing and transferring files on the phone. And iSync automatically syncs my address book with the contacts in the phone. Awesome.

Re:One feature I hope for. (1)

JJahn (657100) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113630)

Can you get decent Cingular coverage in your area? I have a Sony-Ericsson T637 from them, and not only did it come SIM unlocked (I checked with a T-Mobile SIM, I'm not just guessing), the Bluetooth features are completely unhindered. I can use it with my Powerbook for GPRS internet, transferring images, any MIDI ringtone, and whatever else I could ever need on my phone.

Definitely Verizon are bastards for crippling their Bluetooth phones, but it seems Cingular has not followed that path (yet?)

No problem with T-mobile (1)

mbaudis (585035) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113661)

as mentioned by another poster, i also have a s-e T610 (actually, two) with t-mobile; and here is the first time i hear about the lockout of bluetooth features with other phones/companies.
maybe you should switch the carrier? the t610 is very nice as remote, too (using salling clicker ...), though not as advanced as some of the newer nokias (which e.g. show the cover art when using it as itunes remote...).
though, for a german it is kind of weird to see the familiar ugly magenta "T" logo of the formerly state owned german carrier popping up everywhere in the u.s.

Interesting. (5, Interesting)

nativespeaker (797751) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113331)

Hm...it doesn't look like they'll be able to use the name iPhone...Nuvio's got it locked up:

http://www.iphone.com/ [iphone.com]

Re:Interesting. (1)

dnaboy (569188) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113351)

Hmmm.... iTones maybe?

Re:Interesting. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11113586)

how about:

iCall
iHearStatic
iDropOut
iCallBack
iCan'tHearYou
iHaveNoSignal
iNoBattery
iCurseNetwork

Re:Interesting. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11113644)

did you check out iphone.org?

I'll buy (0, Offtopic)

ctour (645366) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113347)

I'll buy it if it works with Cingular. I'm thinking about buying some black turtlenecks also. Naming my cat "Steve", getting an Apple tattoo on my arm, and building a shrine to Steve Jobs are all starting to sound like good Ideas as well... Maybe I should turn off my Apple, I'm starting to feel rather "cultish".

Apple Tattoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11113394)

A fellow I know had the Japanese glyph for the word "Apple" tattooed on him because of his Mac fervor. He doesn't speak Japanese and used a simple, web based English to Japanese translation service.

Apparently people who do speak Japanese tell him that the glyph is more properly translated as "fruit" than as "apple". That isn't a big deal except when he's in the communal showers at the YMCA.

Re:I'll buy (1)

BlueCodeWarrior (638065) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113431)

Ehh. You're just a wannabe cultist...

My name is already Steve. No need to name a cat here.


*shiver* It's like my parents figured it out before I was even born!!!

Motorola Apple Relations Improving? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11113353)

  • Apple undercut the market for Motorolla's $200 CodeWarrior with a suite of free developer tools.
  • Motorola's StarMax Mac clone was end-of-lifed when Apple killed MacOS licensing.
  • Apple, IBM, and Motorola have had a difficult time resolving design and licensing issues in the PowerPC development line.
  • Apple was heavily embarassed by Motorola's inability to produce sufficient 500mhz G4's after a roll-out of new machines far exceeded expected demand.
If Motorola is now in bed with Apple, you can bet that we're talking a major financial deal to sweeten the partnership.

Re:Motorola Apple Relations Improving? (2, Insightful)

the pickle (261584) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113400)

1) Uh, CodeWarrior was by Metrowerks, and AFAIK, there was never an OS X version. Apple's tools for OS 9 were less than useful in comparison to CodeWarrior, but by all accounts, Xcode is infinitely superior. The fact that it's free is a nice side benefit, but serious developers don't really care that much about what the development environment costs as long as it's a good value.

2) The rug got pulled out from all the other cloners, too, most of whom were doing FAR more business than the Starmax series.

3) The PPC/CHRP/AIM alliance (whatever they're calling it this week) had a lot of problems that may or may not have been Motorola's fault. Until the PPC 970 (G5) and 750fx (G3), IBM wasn't exactly delivering that many CPUs to Apple, which leads into...

The G4 debacle was really the first time Mot had trouble delivering what Apple asked for. After that it was all downhill. Of course, Mot's semiconductor division is a separate company now (Freescale).

Your last point is really your only good one, but I can't say as I disagree with your conclusion. Jobs has been pretty angry with Mot ever since the whole G4 debacle, but the Freescale spin-off might have softened that anger somewhat. I suspect Mot had to do some serious ass-kissing to get this deal to fly.

p

Re:Motorola Apple Relations Improving? (2, Informative)

JohnsonWax (195390) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113493)

Codewarrior 7 ran on OS X. Codewarrior was bought by Motorola, but whereas Codewarrior saved Apples bacon back during the the 68k to PPC transition, they were late to the game for OS X and simply couldn't keep pace with the excellent tools that came over with NeXT.

Codewarrior positioned itself for cross-platform development instead, which is what interested Motorola, but wasn't compatible with Apple's focus on superior APIs.

Apple didn't kill Codewarrior as much as Codewarrior chased different markets.

Mots influence on the G4 problem was refusing to allow IBM to fab G4s or to improve their processes, which really left Apple in a bind. After all, G4s still run on a 167MHz bus, which is a disaster for a modern desktop CPU.

Re:Motorola Apple Relations Improving? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11113510)

1) Motorola bought Metrowerks for $95 million dollars. Codewarrior has worked with Mac OS X for a number of releases (my personal experience is only as far back as late 2001). CodeWarrior had 90% of the active Mac software market ever since Symantec's bungling of their transition from 68K to PowerPC architecture. While you may niggle over some of these facts, it should be clear that Apple's release of a free suite of top quality tools severly undercut the value of a big Motorola purchase. While it's arguable both developers were in the right (Apple needed Mac OS X developers, Motorola needed Metrowerks developers) it's clearly a sore spot in Apple Motorola relations.

2) Because Motorola manufactured the chip in the mac clones themselves, the costs to build their StarMax clones were lower so they didn't need to sell as many machines for equal or greater profit than others. (Indeed a thriving mac clone market was good for them because everyone sold Motorola chips back then). Steve Jobs return and the subsequent slaying of the Mac clone market put a damper on what could have been a lucrative market either as a dealer of computers or as a dealer of chips.

3) Much of the problem with the PowerPC alliance was their fundamental disagreements over what was a worthwhile design direction. IBM didn't like Altivec. Motorola did. Apple went with Motorola's design and forced IBM to license Motorola's design to ensure backward compatability. No idea whether the rumored Motorola contractual exit met with the supposed one year notifications, but rumors are that it didn't. Again, I'm not trying to say who was in the right. Just that it's another source of bad blood between Motorola and Apple.

Re:Motorola Apple Relations Improving? (1)

Kiryat Malachi (177258) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113632)

1) It really isn't a sore spot between them. Motorola bought Metrowerks primarily to have a good software suite to go with their embedded processors, and Metrowerks has done quite well for themselves in the embedded market, especially embedded PPC and for Freescale's DSPs. Even back in 98/99, around the time of the Metrowerks purchase, Motorola was already starting to shift focus to making PPCs for the embedded market. By the time Xcode was released, Metrowerks basically didn't care about the desktop software market.

Re:Motorola Apple Relations Improving? (2, Informative)

goMac2500 (741295) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113653)

If there is no OS X version of CodeWarrior, what is this [metrowerks.com] , and why does Apple use Codewarrior as a benchmark for speed against XCode (with Apple even admitting that Codewarrior is still faster)? And yes, Motorola created CodeWarrior. Metrowerks might even still be owned by them.

Let's see... (4, Funny)

the pickle (261584) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113355)

1) In Sino-Soviet Korea, a Beowulf cluster of iTunes-enabled fone overlords (who I, for one, welcome) plays Natalie Portman naked and petrified in hot grits to old people in a positive manner.
2) ???
3) Profit! Because the iPod has made Apple money hand over fist, so a fone that has the same general function (could this be the flash iPod everyone is talking about?) will likely be a giant seller.

Problem is that cell fones are typically loss leaders for SOMEBODY, and we all know the iTMS is barely profitable, so I just don't see where the money would be coming from here.

p

Re:Let's see... (1)

DarthWiggle (537589) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113414)

You forgot "Its more then rediculous!"

Re:Let's see... (1)

HolyGadzooks! (840110) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113588)

Yeah, but will it run Linux?

tip of the iceberg (5, Insightful)

Mazzaroth (519229) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113363)

I can imagine the features:
  • iTunes ringback (what the caller hears is an iTune bought by the callee)
  • Distinctive iTune ringtone (I can program the ringtone I hear with an iTune I bought, according to the caller)
  • iTunes will not only sync with iPod but also with iPhone
  • iPhone to iPhone gifts (I bought an iTune and I give it to you)
  • iPhone to iPhone recommendations (I recommend an iTune to you)
  • Express your feeling with iTune (when you call her, she hears a music you selected)
  • ...
it's just the beginning man! Wait 'till Apple sells movies, documentaries and radio shows...

Re:tip of the iceberg (1)

happyhangone (599849) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113512)

and the obvious... Buy and download your songs directly to your phone using gprs or whatever cell internet connectivity protocol they got... or in other words... ipod and roaming itunes in a single package...

Re:tip of the iceberg (1)

phreakv6 (760152) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113582)

iTunes ringback (what the caller hears is an iTune bought by the callee)

I dont know how this would be possible.Any ringback/call waiting tune is set by the GSM service provider and not by the phone.Technically how can i hear something from the otherside before the otherside picks the call up i.e before i am connected to the otherside ?

Lousy timing! (4, Funny)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113385)

Who's going to buy an iPod phone when we've all already gone out and bought Ngages?

Great timing! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11113415)


eVeryone who tries to use the nGage as a phone, & want to exchange it.

No Wireless... (3, Funny)

Thu25245 (801369) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113396)

Okay, so it's now wireless. But I bet it'll have less space than a Nomad.

Lame.

Perfect timing! (1)

dourk (60585) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113408)

My current cellular contract is up in February. I can't wait to go shopping for a new phone!

+5 Flamebait (0, Flamebait)

dteichman (815136) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113438)

It seems to me, given the +5 Flamebait status on some posts here, that there are a few moderators that have been pushing a pro-Apple agenda in here. Kudos to those of you handing out "Underated" to those posts that have been unfairly moderated down in here.

Re:+5 Flamebait (1)

dteichman (815136) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113449)

And yes, I have a +6 modifier to underrated posts.

Will it actually make phone calls? (4, Funny)

EvilStein (414640) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113540)

Please, for the love of god, I just want a phone that will actually make phone calls in my apartment. *whimper*

I'm not in the boonies. I'm a mere 20 miles East of San Francisco in an area where the median home prices is over $700,000. People have money.

But I can't make a phone call from my apartment. Verizon comes close, but Cingular, AT&T Wireless, Sprint, Nextel - none of them work.
My old ass MetroPCS phone is the only phone that I get more than 3 "bars" with. And it doesn't have a camera, either.

What ever happened to making call quality the #1 priority? I don't want a camera phone! I don't want an mp3 player! I just want to make friggin PHONE CALLS!
*head as-plodes*

Telephonic Orgasm (1)

pandich (165251) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113549)

Am I the only one that needs a Kleenex after reading this???

iTunes on phone does not mean iPod-Phone! RTFA (5, Informative)

johnpaul191 (240105) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113570)

the article says the phone is NOT AN IPOD. we knew Apple made a version of Quicktime for cellphones. this makes it sound like the phone will just use Apple software to playback some MP3/AAC songs on your phone. a dozen songs requires very little flash memory. i would guess the phone would be able to play songs bought at iTMS. the fact that the article mentions putting songs on a phone via bluetooth/cable and how that would bypass the carrier, i guess that means we will not see iTMS shopping via cell phone.

maybe the rumors are way off and this is what the flash iPod is. the Moto V710 phone has a removable memory card you can put MP3 files on and play them as ringtones, or listen to them on the speakerphone. i guess headphones or a carkit would be possible too? who knows. you have to read the article knowing some are quotes from Apple and Moto and some is filler/speculation by Forbes. not to diss them, but it's possible they don't totally know and are off the mark with their speculation.

and i quote:
At the event, Jobs took pains to point out that the phone would not compete with Apple's popular iPod music player, but should viewed as an iPod accessory. "Wouldn't it be great if you could take a dozen of your favorite songs with you" on a cell phone, Jobs said at the time.


The companies said they plan to release a phone that will connect locally to computers unning Microsoft's Windows as well as Apple's Macintosh computers using a cable or a Bluetooth wireless connection.

cue cat? (1)

medicthree (125112) | more than 9 years ago | (#11113701)

Is Eddie Cue related to the ::cuecat? If so, this product is doomed.
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