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Louisiana Towns Going High-Tech

michael posted more than 9 years ago | from the rated-c-for-can-you-hear-me-now dept.

Communications 331

wolverineinspector writes "Mink, LA is finally getting telephone land lines after the neighbouring communities got theirs in 1970. In the article they also say that as many as 6.2% of US homes don't have phone service - that would mean that 19 million Americans don't have wired phone lines available to them."

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and (1, Funny)

Striker770S (825292) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122424)

almost 90% of the population dont even use ground line phones.

Re:and (5, Funny)

PoopJuggler (688445) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122459)

It also means that 6.2% of Americans aren't getting gouged or ripped-off by the telcos.

Re:and (3, Funny)

SoSueMe (263478) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122634)

That means 19 million Americans don't have to sign up for the "Do Not Call" list.

Re:and (1)

Micro$will (592938) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122645)

That means 19 million Americans don't have to deal with hangup calls due to fax marketing wardialers.

Just because 6.2% don't have phones (4, Insightful)

WilliamsDA (567274) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122425)

Just because 6.2% of people don't have wired phones doesn't mean that the service isn't available to them. A lot of people ditch their wired lines and just use their cell phone.

Re:Just because 6.2% don't have phones (2, Informative)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122441)

what part of don't have phone service mean to you? it means they have no phones. no lines, no towers.

Re:Just because 6.2% don't have phones (1)

bconway (63464) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122486)

I don't have phone service. I have phones, lines, and towers, but I don't pay and don't receive service over them.

Re:Just because 6.2% don't have phones (2, Informative)

Bluetick (516014) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122514)

But you have it available to you (as do I, but I don't use it, I use celphones). The quote said 6.2% of people in the US don't have phone service available to them. The number of people without phone service is likely quite higher with people moving to cellphones or cable phone service.

Re:Just because 6.2% don't have phones (1)

imthesponge (621107) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122547)

FCC survey [216.239.63.104]

It measures people with phone service, not people that have it available to them.

'Nother night gathered roun' the pay phone.... (1)

Hanzie (16075) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122571)

what part of don't have phone service mean to you? it means they have no phones. no lines, no towers.

It means "No Secrets"

From the article:

For years, they said, they used a pay phone at the Kisatchie general store. "But people were nosy - they'd come out and sit on the bench to listen," Blanche Marshall said.
Apparently, life around there is incredibly boring too. From the descriptions the article has of the inhabitants, I can't imagine their phone calls being very thrilling. hanzie

Bad Credit? (2, Funny)

mfh (56) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122458)

Just because 6.2% of people don't have wired phones doesn't mean that the service isn't available to them. A lot of people ditch their wired lines and just use their cell phone.

I'm guessing it's bad credit.

Re:Bad Credit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11122673)

I'm guessing it's bad credit.

In most jurisdictions, bad credit isn't enough to refuse service. Often you have to have ripped off the phone company...

It said phones "of some kind" (3, Informative)

Moonpie Madness (764217) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122489)

probably meaning land or cell.

Send Michael Down There To Investigate Further. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11122493)

If the 'gators don't get him, the Klan will. Either way we'll all be better off.

But wouldn't that be a kind of cruelty to gators? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11122609)

Can the alligators contract AIDS from eating him? I bet they'd get pretty damn sick anyhow. Let the KKK deal with him.

Re:But wouldn't that be a kind of cruelty to gator (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11122687)

do you really think any gator would touch him?!

Re:Just because 6.2% don't have phones (1)

bhadreshl (841411) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122497)

Cell phones are becoming cheaper and cheaper every day due to the intense amount of competition
It is also more flexible as you can just buy two ore more phones which use the same plan and calls between them are 'free'.

No Phone != Primitive == China (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11122529)

The grandparent article gives the impression that Mink, LA is a primitive place because its people are just not getting landline telephones. Do not be deceived. technology or the lack of it does not necessarily correlate with the sophistication of the people. I bet good money that the folks in Mink, LA live far better and higher quality lives than the folks with actual landline phones in either China or India. [phrusa.org]

Both the Chinese and the Indians support massive numbers of abortions targetting female fetuses. You tell me. Who is the barbarian?

No Phone != Primitive ==> Example: China (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11122553)

The grandparent article gives the impression that Mink, LA is a primitive place because its people are just now getting landline telephones. Do not be deceived. Technology or the lack of it does not necessarily correlate with the sophistication of the people. I bet good money that the folks in Mink, LA live far better and higher quality lives than the folks with actual landline phones in either China or India. [phrusa.org]

Both the Chinese and the Indians support massive numbers of abortions targetting female fetuses. You tell me. Who is the barbarian?

Re:Just because 6.2% don't have phones (1)

dabigpaybackski (772131) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122562)

Just because 6.2% of people don't have wired phones doesn't mean that the service isn't available to them. A lot of people ditch their wired lines and just use their cell phone.

Correct. Of course, for those who lack either land line or cellphone service, there is a cheaper [indiana.edu] way to join the telecommunications revolution.

Hey man, I didn't say it was convenient.

Re:Just because 6.2% don't have phones (2, Insightful)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122642)

I wonder what the percentage of Amish in the population is.

LK

Re:Just because 6.2% don't have phones (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11122680)

Big myth. Most Amish have phones, indoor plumbing, automobiles, and electricity. They put on a good show for the tourists because they're greedy little fuckers, but they're actually quite integrated into contemporary society.

welcome to teh 20th century (0)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122426)

I guess telcos did not want to pay to run lines through the baiue

Re:welcome to teh 20th century (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11122447)

They should have. Part of the deal is that
they get a monopoly, and in exchange they
have to provide universal service. At least
that's how it works with power lines. We
all pay just a little bit more, so that lines
can be run to rural areas. (Rural
electrification is one of the greatest
accomplishments of Big Government, by the way.)

Anyone know why the delay?

I don't, because:

1. I didn't RTFA
2. I'm just posting quick off-the cuff
remarks, because anything older than
5 minutes does not get mod'd in /.
3. I'm k-whoring for AC these days.

Re:welcome to teh 20th century (1)

imthesponge (621107) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122460)

Costs too much, not worth it for telco at $46,000 per customer.

Re:welcome to teh 20th century (3, Funny)

drxray (839725) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122448)

Their first call:

"Hi. Got Skype?"

Re: welcome to teh 20th century (2, Funny)

Alwin Henseler (640539) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122558)

Trrriiiiinnnggg....

"Yes? Hello?"

"Hello! I am calling you to inform you of our wonderful new product line, introduced this week. Would you care to take a little time and hear more about it?"

"WTF ?!?"

"I see. Sorry to have bothered you. Have a nice day, ma'am."

Re:welcome to teh 20th century (1)

Bluetick (516014) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122474)

It's spelled bayou.

Welcome to a 3rd grade reading level.

Re:welcome to teh 20th century (1)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122485)

maybe 3rd grade in Cajun land.

Re:welcome to teh 20th century (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11122561)

Learn Cajun, idiot. He got it right.

Re:welcome to teh 20th century (1)

Bluetick (516014) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122590)

Bullshit. And cajun isn't a language.

Re:welcome to teh 20th century (1)

imthesponge (621107) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122612)

baiue [webster.com]

Red state... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11122429)

Go figure

Only Preverts, Commies and Democrats... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11122455)

...need telephone lines!

I know the feeling (0, Flamebait)

geekp0wer (516841) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122442)

I can't get DSL.......

How long do they have to wait... (-1, Troll)

Sensible Clod (771142) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122450)

for broadband?! I mean, come on! How hard is it? Hey, I know. Let's have a Rural Techification Act, and fine each of the pertinent companies $10,000,000 (TEN MILLION UNITED STATES DOLLARS ONLY) every single DAY that those few percent don't have access to what the rest of us have.

Re:How long do they have to wait... (1)

jay-be-em (664602) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122524)

Good idea!

Wait, no, that's dumb.

Not really dumb (1)

grahamsz (150076) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122584)

Sure the fines proposed are dumb, but it seems wrong for public service companies to be able to pick and choose who gets which service.

Means large parts of the united states probably wont see broadband in this decade because it's not immediately profitable for their providers.

I dont see why the government can't set goals for broadband availability since it'll cripple the US if parts of it fall behind Europe and Asia.

Re:Not really dumb (1)

Sensible Clod (771142) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122692)

Indeed. That's why I posted what I did. It appears that the mods didn't get my sarcasm, even though I intentionally wrote in 419er style. Oh well. What can one expect from the typical /. mod mob?

They'll probably mod this down too. See ya.

why bother when there are cell phones? (3, Interesting)

jxyama (821091) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122451)

if you look on the map, Mink, LA is ~15 miles off I-49, which is a major highway between two of the larger Lousiana cities: Shreveport and Baton Rouge.

surely they have cell phone signals there... why bother with a land line? how are they going to recuperate the capital cost?

Re:why bother when there are cell phones? (5, Informative)

nxtr (813179) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122488)

If you had read the article, you would've realized that they went to the town dump to make a call, because they got the best reception there.

Re:why bother when there are cell phones? (1)

MattHaffner (101554) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122592)

I'm finding it hard to understand how a land line to every home is cheaper than a single new cell tower in the town. The cost seemed to be very similar according to the article (~$700,000). That seems high for a single tower, doesn't it? Anyone in the biz know better?

Re:why bother when there are cell phones? (2, Insightful)

Zocalo (252965) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122530)

how are they going to recuperate the capital cost?

It's not just about voice: xDSL services also run over landlines. In the UK wireless broadband services are almost always significantly more expensive than wired, and are often considered as a last resort solution. Even with the considerably more dispersed population of the bulk of the US, I doubt that things are much different on the other side of the pond.

Re:why bother when there are cell phones? (1)

parliboy (233658) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122632)

They're not going to recoup the cost, at least not from the people of Mink. One of the line charge taxes included in your monthly bill is designed to compensate the phone companies for rolling out service in areas that are money losers. The Universal Service Fund, or something like that.

bag phones? (0)

supersuckers (841107) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122463)

Not bag phones, the primitive portable stopgap often carried around in a canvas case, which send residents out in their pickups searching for service "hot spots," but real telephones wired to a land line.
Does anyone know what these things are? I have never heard of them before. Google turned this [ositech.com] up

IDIOT 13-YEAR-OLD BIGMOUTH DETECTED (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11122472)

gay

Re:bag phones? (1)

smatthew (41563) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122536)

I'm guessing you're young......

Before a cell phone could fit in your hand, it fit in a bag. There was the big transciever, and a handset on a cord. Most people couldn't afford the batteries for them, so you used it plugged into your car's cigarette lighter. I recall my family having one in 1989 i think.....

They're analog, and usually 3 or 6 watts, so you've got a much better chance of getting a signal out in BFE.

And most calls went likt this: (1)

Santa_Clause (714299) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122630)

"Thanks for calling, I'll find a telephone booth and call you back." When your paying a dollar+ a minute, it adds up.

Re:bag phones? (1)

RandomJoe (814420) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122542)

That link would roughly be right. It was basically the phone they installed in a car, but instead placed inside of a bag. The company I work for had a couple back when I first started, that were in a nice leather case, not canvas. They used what was basically a camcorder SLA type battery (12V, 1 or 2AH) and had a built-in cigarette lighter plug for when you were actually in the car. The ones we had were analog, don't know if that style survived long enough for digital versions to exist...

In reality, except for the portability issue - they were certainly bulky to just carry around everywhere - I far preferred using them over these miniscule things you get nowadays.

Most people I know dont have phone lines. (3, Insightful)

blanks (108019) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122465)

" 6.2% of US homes don't have phone service "
Does this include the number of people who have cellphones that dont want a land line.

Or how about the people that just dont want a land line. Or get digital phone service from their cable provider.

Re:Most people I know dont have phone lines. (1)

imthesponge (621107) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122478)

"a survey released in October found that 93.8 percent of American households had telephones of some sort."

I assume that includes cell phones and phone-over-cable.

Re:Most people I know dont have phone lines. (2, Informative)

evilviper (135110) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122586)

From the article:
93.8 percent of American households had
telephones of some sort.


If they have any type of phone service, they have been counted.

The statistic doesn't say how many of those 6.2% of people live way out in the middle of nowhere (ie. Alaska), or how many may simply have decided they don't need a telephone.

Telephones just now, eh? (4, Funny)

nxtr (813179) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122471)

So much for Canada being the great white north.

What about car phones (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11122476)

... for the cars on blocks in the yard?

Or cell phones. Most of the time you have to ask the guards just to make a call, but if every cell had a phone ...

Forget Telephone Lines! (1)

qualico (731143) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122479)

"Yes, the telephone is not everywhere. In fact, televisions are more common in American homes today."

So guess what?
Cable is about to explode with services.
Check out vonage.com
Get yourself connected.
$10 for equipment
$15 per month unlimted North America calling.

Say goodbye to the phrase, "Long Distance".

Then say hello to, "TiVo, Replay and MythTv" while your at it.

Re:Forget Telephone Lines! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11122537)

-1 Advertisement

Re:Forget Telephone Lines! (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122560)

"Cable is about to explode with services."

And why would they have access to cable service if they can't even get a telephone line? After all, telephone lines have been around for far longer than coaxial cables.

When they said "television," they mean broadcast television. Out there, it's either that or Cband.

Vonage sucks -- Re:Forget Telephone Lines! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11122591)

Vonage sucks.. Why pay so much when you can get it for FREE.

Don't forget the Amish (4, Funny)

UpLateDrinkingCoffee (605179) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122481)

In the article they also say that as many as 6.2% of US homes don't have phone service - that would mean that 19 million Americans don't have wired phone lines available to them."
Maybe some people just don't want a telephone, like the Amish [amish.net] . They certainly don't account for 6.2% of U.S. homes, but I'll bet it's a factor.

Re:Don't forget the Amish (1)

qualico (731143) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122510)

I'd mod this Interesting, Informative and Funny.

Its so interesting that there exists a religion that won't allow contact with land line devices.
Yet TV is ok?

Informative for anyone who has not known this.

and Funny as hell to see how they get around the problem.

Re:Don't forget the Amish (5, Funny)

deathazre (761949) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122518)

the hell, the amish have a website?

Re:Don't forget the Amish (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11122519)

I wonder how they update their web page ...

Re:Don't forget the Amish (1)

Bluetick (516014) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122662)

The Amish population isn't bigger than a couple hundred thousand though. If there are 19 million Americans without phone service available, they would be an almost insignificant factor.

Amish (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11122492)

Amish

I didn't either... (4, Interesting)

LinuxInDallas (73952) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122494)

I didn't have a land line either until I finally bought a house. Now the only reason I have it is because it's required for the security system. What a waste, every call on the land line is a telemarketer...about 6-10 a day.

Re:I didn't either... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11122570)

get caller ID, then dont answer unless you know the caller...

Re:I didn't either... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11122597)

and use the Do Not Call List

Re:I didn't either... (4, Funny)

jschottm (317343) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122598)

What a waste, every call on the land line is a telemarketer...about 6-10 a day.

At the very least, use it for some fun. Just get an answering machine without a ringer. Here's some ideas to get you started:

1. Record the little error tone that the phone company uses and get a woman to do a really pinched voice, "The number you have called, 555-1234, has been changed. The new number is 555-1234. Please note this change."

2. Get someone to do the voice of an elderly person, "Hello? Hello? You're goana have to speak up sonny, I'm a little hard of hearing. What? You're calling from who?" It helps if you can get a really long recording time.

3. I'm going to assume from your username that you're down in Texas. Just record something really unpleasant happening on a farm to a cow.

4. Fax handshake. For added style points, record a message and record a 300 baud modem sending it in plaintext ala Information Society.

5. Amusing excerpts - for a while I had bits of Deliverence or the introduction to Jesus Built My Hotrod as my message.

6. Same concept as 2, but get an actual little kid. "No, Daddy doesn't want to talk to you. I have blocks. I like them. I make..."

At the end of the month, play back the messages and see if you got any amusing responses. It would be more amusing to hack up a Linux telephony box so you could record their responses as the message plays, but that might be a little too much effort.

Re:I didn't either... (1)

mrbcs (737902) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122661)

Re:I didn't either... (1)

TheGavster (774657) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122635)

If its just for the alarm ... why pick up unless you know they're going to call to confirm an accidental activation?

Demand - Supply (3, Informative)

FuturePastNow (836765) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122513)

My mother lives way out in the country, and the local telco quoted her an obscene price to run a landline to the house. Unfortunately, she lives too far from the highway to get decent cellphone coverage. She ended up having to pay it.

I have to believe, though, that if the people of Mink, LA really wanted phone coverage some company would have wanted to sell it to them. I guess it wasn't worth it, until now, for just fifteen homes.

Re:Demand - Supply (1)

qualico (731143) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122541)

Some smart guy is going to go setup a Dlink 624 next to the cable Internet and make some good coin off 15 people per month. Especially if they use VOIP services.

Hell, I'm phoneing those people right now! ...Oh wait...no phone.

Time to buy a plane ticket I guess.

Re:Demand - Supply (1)

green pizza (159161) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122557)

My mother lives way out in the country, and the local telco quoted her an obscene price to run a landline to the house. Unfortunately, she lives too far from the highway to get decent cellphone coverage. She ended up having to pay it.
She was screwed. At most, she should only have to pay for the run from her house to the nearest splice box, which should be installed within a few hundred feet of the house. It's too bad she already paid, she should have taken the case to the state or county public service commision. There is a lot of rural phone and power grant money available to pay for runs like that. She shouldn't have had to pay.

Direcway and VOIP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11122516)

Heck why not just get Direcway and VOIP service at leat youll have high speed internet and phone service.

Re:Direcway and VOIP (2, Interesting)

green pizza (159161) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122543)

The latency would be horrible. You'd have to end every sentence with "over". May as well just use a CB Radio.

Howdy Cousin! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11122532)

Now yu' can talk to that Filly down the road without gettin'
on a horse...Next thing yu' know your a dad agin'...what will they think of next!

Rural Telecommunications Acts (5, Informative)

green pizza (159161) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122533)

In the USA, there are Rural Telecommunication (and electrification) Acts. I'm not sure about new construction, but I know that in rural Texas if you have an old isolated homestead in need of telephone service, you can call up the nearest telco and they'll string out lines no matter what it costs. It all gets paid for by federal grants.

The only catch is the telco territory boundries. Sometimes two telcos will bicker over who gets to (or who has to) string the lines. A vist to your state's public services commissioner will get things moving though.

What the hell? (3, Funny)

evilviper (135110) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122549)

No matter how many times I read it, I have no clue what the hell this paragraph in the story is supposed to mean:

The analog service, which is being phased out here, also lacks features like voice mail. So people like Ray, who sells fire-extinguishing systems for Firetrace International in the Southeast, can sometimes be found at the local Dumpster in a clearing, shouting into his digital cell phone: "How is the signal? HOW IS THE SIGNAL?"


Whaaaaaa?

Only Michael Sims (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11122628)

Nobody else would think this article was even semi-literate enough to be reposted here. Not even Taco would have posted it. Maybe it links back to Roland's blog or something. I dunno.

Re:What the hell? (1)

suwain_2 (260792) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122672)

My friend's first reaction to this quote:
"Those are the people that voted red."

Re:What the hell? (1)

chickenrob (696532) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122679)

oh, come on man! If your not hanging out at the local Dumpster in a clearing, you just ain't living. Everyone who is anyone is there. It's also a great place to get a poor digital cell phone sigal!

Re:What the hell? (0, Flamebait)

Combuchan (123208) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122683)

Would you really expect otherwise from such a small town in Lousiana?

Huh? (4, Interesting)

dghcasp (459766) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122567)

a survey released in October found that 93.8 percent of American households had telephones of some sort. More households had televisions--98.2 percent, according to Nielsen Media Research-NTI.

Consider that Nielson would probably have done telephone surveys to determine these statistics, how exactly do they calculate how many people don't have phones?

"Hey, call Floyd and ask if he's got a phone!"
Who's Floyd? What's his number?
I don't know, but there must be a Floyd. Hmm, not in the white pages, so he must not have a phone
So don't call him, but when you call him, ask him if he has a T.V.

Can you say Reductio ad absurdum kids? I knew you could!

Re:Huh? (3, Informative)

imthesponge (621107) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122580)

http://216.239.63.104/search?q=cache:-AAPfXFzjjEJ: www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Common_Carrier/Reports/FCC-Sta te_Link/IAD/subs0704.pdf&hl=en [216.239.63.104] (google cache)

They use the Census.

"Recognizing the need for more precise periodic measurements of subscribership, the Commission requested that the Census Bureau include questions on telephone availability as part of its CPS, which monitors demographic trends between the decennial censuses."

Re:Huh? (1)

SinaSa (709393) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122678)

Did it occur to you they maybe just add up the total number of personal number entries in the white pages for each district or whatever, then subtract that from the total population?

O.K so I glossed over unlisted numbers, but they could also gather that data from telcos. Just call up the telco and ask how many people they have subscribed. Add them all up, subtract that from the total population.

his math is way off too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11122572)

If it's 6.2%, it wouldn't be anywhere near 19 million Americans, unless America had around 310 million people, which it does not.

Re:his math is way off too (2, Informative)

MrDomino (799876) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122607)

Yes, it does. [census.gov]

Re:his math is way off too (1)

TheGavster (774657) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122643)

Really, closer to 6.5: http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html

technology in rural America (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11122581)

The truth is that there are plenty of homes in the US that aren't even on the electric grid!

as of 1994 100,000 homes
http://lists.cohousing.org/archives/cohousi ng-l/ms g00481.html

How-To
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/ 2004/12/03 /grid.html

I was talking to a tech friend of mine the other day. He said about 40% of the homes where he came from didn't have electricity! This was in Id, USA... Crazy eh?

Re:technology in rural America (1)

Rakishi (759894) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122629)

The first link seems to talk about people who basically don't want to be on the grid.

Telephone service (2, Interesting)

eric76 (679787) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122588)

We didn't get telephone service to my home until 1971 or so.

Before that, if we needed to make a telephone call, we had to go to my grandmother's house.

More often, we'd call my grandmother on the radio and she'd place the call for us.

In soviet russia (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11122600)

O forget it, cowboyneal is gay

WTF (4, Interesting)

AndyChrist (161262) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122610)

What the fuck have we been paying that universal service fee for?

This is the result of action earlier this year (1)

Emperor Skull (680972) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122615)

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2004-01-20-no-ph ones_x.htm

Huh? Dont tell me... (3, Funny)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122616)

---The Federal Communications Commission does not keep track of places without phone service, but a survey released in October found that 93.8 percent of American households had telephones of some sort

Was it a PHONE survey? Please dont say it so..

Re:Huh? Dont tell me... (1)

imthesponge (621107) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122638)

Nope, it was part of the census.

Re:Huh? Dont tell me... (1)

rm999 (775449) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122658)

That doens't even make sense, because then the number would have been 100% and common sense would have flown out the window

They'll be getting electricity soon too... (2, Funny)

mantle_etching (837091) | more than 9 years ago | (#11122620)

Maybe.

Phone lines in Louisiana (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11122637)

The reason land lines have been put off until now is that "squeeling like a pig" is the preferred method to dialing 911. I know. My car broke down going through there once... (play banjo music here)

So where do the millions go? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11122682)

All those millions of "additional fees" that are tacked to to phone bills to pay for communities like this?

Is there any relation to servicing these people?

Knowing the phone industry, it probably goes into the bottomless pit of general revenue...
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