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Boeing Eyes In-Flight Live TV on Your Laptop

michael posted more than 9 years ago | from the nothing-but-airplane-movies dept.

Television 205

cobravenum2 writes "Boeing is planning to add live television to its Connexion by Boeing service during 2005, The television programs will be delivered across the Connexion network, which uses satellites to provide high-speed data connections between aircraft in-flight and ground stations linked to the Internet. The service entered commercial use earlier this year and provides a 5 megabits per second shared downstream and 1 mbps shared upstream connection to suitably equipped aircraft. You'll be able to view up to four channels of live TV over your laptop."

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205 comments

fp? (1, Troll)

Joey Patterson (547891) | more than 9 years ago | (#11134950)

will i be able to get fp from 30,000 feet?

Thank god... (2, Funny)

LewsTherinKinslayer (817418) | more than 9 years ago | (#11134954)

Now I won't miss Adult Swim while I'm taking my flights to Europe and back.

Re:Thank god... (2, Funny)

JonLatane (750195) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135058)

Now I won't miss Adult Swim while I'm taking my flights to Europe and back.
Because, you know, of the four channels the plane is able to receive, they would prioritize Cartoon Network over anything else available.

Re:Thank god... (1)

LewsTherinKinslayer (817418) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135132)

Because, you know, of the four channels the plane is able to receive, they would prioritize Cartoon Network over anything else available.

They would if they knew what was good for them. I have a bomb in my shoe!

Re:Thank god... (1)

Dionysus (12737) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135276)

Actually, Cartoon Network would be a pretty good choice. It's relatively unoffensive programming to the majority of people.

Re:Thank god... (1)

adeydas (837049) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135067)

don't forget sex and the city...

Re:Thank god... (1)

geomon (78680) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135182)

I NEVER forget sex in the city.

Thank god...Water Landing. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11135136)

"Now I won't miss Adult Swim while I'm taking my flights to Europe and back."

Remember your seat doubles as a flotation device.

Airlines become profitable again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11134963)

If they make those four channels of porn they might just get the airlines back in the black.

Re:Airlines become profitable again (4, Funny)

svallarian (43156) | more than 9 years ago | (#11134976)

Not sure if I want to mod this +1 funny or +1 (eww-hate to be sitting next to THAT guy on the plane)

Re:Airlines become profitable again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11135024)

But remember, the laptop is frying your testicles so the porn will just make you more frustrated.

And...? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11134966)

How does this have anything to do with basing Micro$loth or slobbering over Linux Tordvalds?

Re:And...? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11135005)

Excellent point...

Slashdot: News for Faggots

Great (4, Funny)

mordors9 (665662) | more than 9 years ago | (#11134968)

Now I can have some loudmouth on one side talking on his cell phone and some woman watching oprah on the other. Life can't get much better.

Re:Great (1)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135043)

Almost makes a First Class upgrade worth it, eh?

Re:Great (1)

Saint Stephen (19450) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135122)

Sure. All that burning in hell you're going to be doing for however you got that filthy lucre, you deserve an extra cookie on the flight.

Not to mention the Airlines pricing this service.. (4, Insightful)

green pizza (159161) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135275)

Most of the large airlines in the USA have a really difficult time dealing with onboard services and prices. Several of the biggies started charging for their poor quality meals. Pretty much every USA airline has a very poor excuse for first class (especially when compared to foreign airlines). Customer service is more than just a few listed items on some cutesy poster by the ticket counter.

So I'm wondering how these same airlines are going to implement and charge for this new service. Just because Boeing is offering it, doesn't mean that every airline is going to automatically buy and install these systems and not charge the passengers!

If American Airlines can't figure out how to serve a *large* dish of ice cream in first class, then I don't see how they're going to find the value in onboard streaming data and video.

Free laptop? (1, Redundant)

quaker5567 (841639) | more than 9 years ago | (#11134975)

Quote: "You'll be able to view up to four channels of live TV over your laptop." Bearing in mind that most airlines won't even give you headphones for free, how are the people without laptops going to view this?

Re:Free laptop? (1)

ThomasFlip (669988) | more than 9 years ago | (#11134998)

they won't. I didn't rtfa, but I doubt you have to pay for the service if you're not using it, so why care ?

Re:Free laptop? (1)

CtrlPhreak (226872) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135083)

Why would you buy the internet access on the plane to get the live tv on your laptop if you don't in fact have a laptop?

Re:Free laptop? (1)

koreaman (835838) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135250)

Simple.
They aren't.

Just like the cable company doesn't provide you with a TV.

Worse yet: everyone in coach USING their laptops! (3, Insightful)

green pizza (159161) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135287)

Oh great, now everyone's going to pull out their laptops while en route!

When I fly in economy/coach class, I invariably spend at least one leg of my flight sitting beside somone who insists on using his 15+ inch notebook computer! Now, even if the seat in front of him is in it's fully upright position, there still isn't quite enough room to open the lid to a comfortable 110-degree angle. And because of the compact nature of coach class, the front (trackpad) edge of the notebook is only a few inches away from his chest... so there's not enough room for his arms, forcing him to jut out his elbows a good 8 inches in each direction so he can comfortably use the keyboard and trackpad.

PLEASE PEOPLE! Use your PDA in economy class. If you must use a notebook, get a 12" or smaller model. It's not just uncomfortable for you, it's uncomfortable for anyone sitting beside you.

The problem is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11134977)

The problem is, how many people can watch TV at once before that 5 mbps is all used up?

Re:The problem is... (2, Insightful)

stuuf (587464) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135096)

I assume they'll pipe one stream of each of the 4 channels into a router on the plane and then multicast it to everyone, so the bandwidth won't depend on how many people are watching. If they want to offer more channels at a relatively high quality then they will need more bandwidth.

What about Over-Ocean Flights? (4, Interesting)

wasted (94866) | more than 9 years ago | (#11134978)

The television programs will be delivered across the Connexion network, which uses satellites to provide high-speed data connections between aircraft in-flight and ground stations linked to the Internet.

So those long TransPacific flights will only have sporadic TV coverage? Those are the ones that could use it the most. Or will 747 aircraft start following the equivalent of ETOPS routes to ensure internet coverage?

* ETOPS Routes - Routes flown by twin engine aircraft on extended overwater flights to ensure that they can reach land within a certain amount of time in the event of an engine failure.

Re:What about Over-Ocean Flights? (4, Informative)

Chuck Chunder (21021) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135009)

So those long TransPacific flights will only have sporadic TV coverage?
No. As what you quoted clearly says a satellite connects the plane to the ground station.
Plane <--> Satellite <--> Ground station

Re:What about Over-Ocean Flights? (1, Funny)

wasted (94866) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135027)

Ahhh, got it. Misread what I quoted.

Re:What about Over-Ocean Flights? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11135097)

and still +3 INSIGHTFUL because nobody reads posts before moderating!

Re:What about Over-Ocean Flights? (1)

FuturePastNow (836765) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135036)

The plane doesn't have to be within range of the ground station, just the satellite. Your flight over the Pacific could be linked to Fresno, as long as the satellite can "see" them both.

Re:What about Over-Ocean Flights? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11135107)

errr, I think "which uses satellites to provide high-speed data connections between aircraft in-flight and ground stations linked to the Internet" means ground station -> satellite -> aircraft, and you know how satellites can cover huge expanses right?

Re:What about Over-Ocean Flights? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11135114)

Nearly all commercial airliners fly on some level of ETOPS route. It's for all aircraft, not exclusively for twin engine aircraft. It's the reason why you fly along the Alaskan coast when you fly to Japan.

Re:What about Over-Ocean Flights? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11135253)

The reason why you fly along Alaska when you fly to Japan from your coutry is: earth is spherical, that's the shortest path!

Re:What about Over-Ocean Flights? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11135273)

Not only are you wasted, evidently you're stupid too.

Plane Satellite Ground Station

Re:What about Over-Ocean Flights? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11135281)

Not only are you wasted, evidently you're stupid, too.

Please use proper punctuation when insulting another's intelligence.

Re:What about Over-Ocean Flights? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11135285)

"Too" doesn't need to be preceded by a fucking comma all the time, you moron. 95% of the time it should be, but it's not a black and white rule. In this case, it didn't have to.

Fucking idiot.

Rob

Re:What about Over-Ocean Flights? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11135303)

In this case, it didn't have to be.

Please use proper grammar when insulting another's intelligence.

MPAA sues Boeing (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11134984)

So how long before "viewed on Laptop" becomes "recorded on laptop" ?

Man, this is going to be real headache for MPAA, having to refer 5 different country copyright laws, if the plane flies over different countries(Look at the Singapore Airline Routes) during the entire unauthorized recording process.

On the other hand anything that creates havoc for MPAA... this cannot be a bad thing, right ?

MPAA sues [people who say stupid stuff] (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11135007)

"So how long before "viewed on Laptop" becomes "recorded on laptop" ?"

How's that any different than "computer with a TV tuner"?

"On the other hand anything that creates havoc for MPAA... this cannot be a bad thing, right ?"

You people are really stretching things to demonize people aren't you?

Re:MPAA sues [people who say stupid stuff] (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11135055)

How's that any different than "computer with a TV tuner"?

Probably isn't. So ?

You people are really stretching things to demonize people aren't you?

Come on!!! This is the MPAA we are talking about. The task is redundant :P

Hmmm, will any such copying in-flight come under any juridiction at all actually ?

MPAA sues [people who say stupid stuff]-II (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11135121)

"Probably isn't. So ?"

Ask the OP. He seems to think it's a big deal.

"Come on!!! This is the MPAA we are talking about. The task is redundant :P"

Maybe, but you guys aren't helping your image any.

"Hmmm, will any such copying in-flight come under any juridiction at all actually ?"

It's a private carrier. That's all the jurisdiction needed.

Re:MPAA sues [people who say stupid stuff]-II (1)

geomon (78680) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135196)

Maybe, but you guys aren't helping your image any.

And posting on /. is a way to improve your image?

Consider parsing that sentence carefully before you answer.

MPAA sues [people who say stupid stuff]-III (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11135265)

"And posting on /. is a way to improve your image?

Consider parsing that sentence carefully before you answer."

I'm not the one coming up with outlandish speculation that's getting moderated to the level that uninvolved third-parties might see.

Sovereignty... (2, Informative)

fbartho (840012) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135177)

The passengers on the flight are subject to the laws of the territory it departed from until the flight lands... Meaning though the flight needs permission to overfly a country, that country doesn't get a say about the things the passengers are doing until the flight lands...

Re:MPAA sues Boeing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11135071)

How long before people sue Boeing for the fried testicle damage caused by being forced to put laptops on your lap ?

Re:MPAA sues Boeing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11135118)

I didn't rtfa, but I assume they're keeping tray-tables...

Only 5 Mb/s? (3, Interesting)

tongariro (110144) | more than 9 years ago | (#11134985)

Streaming a channel using high compression video and audio codec at CIF resolution will get the data rate down to about 500 Kb/s. Assuming that every bit is used for streaming, that will be 10 channels maximum to be shared between those among the 300 passengers who has the laptop/PDA/phone.

I can see it now, air rage over bandwidth hogs. :-)

Re:Only 5 Mb/s? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11135021)

The article and the review clearly state that there will be four channels for now. Not to mention the plane receiver will probably just multicast instead of giving everyone a direct connection.

Re:Only 5 Mb/s? (1)

krbvroc1 (725200) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135028)

My guess is that the TV will be broadcast or multicast, not a dedicated stream per seat. Thus the 4 station limit.

What programming? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11134989)

Wonder if they'll have the new "Airport Security Bloopers" show where the security guards fondle or sexually assault (depends on your POV) passengers, pin granny down for a body cavity search, operate the usual drug and stolen luggage rings, and put "practice" bombs on international flights after finding them.

2 Things (3, Insightful)

tarunthegreat2 (761545) | more than 9 years ago | (#11134991)

1) Does Boeing Run Linux?

2) Ummm... don't we already have those nice LCD screens on the back of seats (or folded to the side) on most 747s already? How is this an innovation in anyway? Wouldn't u rather just use the already supplied screen, as opposed to bring out your laptop and stuff? -1 Redundant, n/t

Re:2 Things (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11135068)

The seat back screens are most commonly found on the Boeing 777, which follows many of the same trans-continental routes as the 74

Re:2 Things (1)

Coolnat2004 (830862) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135110)

Yeah, last plane I was on (United Airlines) had a 5" LCD on the back of each seat, with a bunch of music channels and several TV channels, however I do not think that the channels were being streamed from the actual stations -- A lot of them said "This special presentation during your ?United Airlines flight", so it could just be one recording that they play on every flight on that day.

Re:2 Things (1)

green pizza (159161) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135296)

> Ummm... don't we already have those nice LCD
> screens on the back of seats (or folded to the side) on
> most 747s already?

It depends on the airline. But generally, the longer the flight and the newer the plane, the more likely it is to have an entertainment system in each seat. Most 777's have them.

The 747-200 has been out for a long time and maybe have no entertainment at all. The newer 747-400 can usually be found with systems though. A lot of the DC-10's were upgraded with entertainment systems, and subsequently had them removed after some faulty wiring was blamed for a fire.

SeatGuru.com has the per-airline and per-model details you're looking for.

Heh (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11134992)

The gay is strong with this one

I can see it now.... (0, Flamebait)

pjdepasq (214609) | more than 9 years ago | (#11134994)

This sounds like a good idea, until passengers end up watching live TV coverage of the next 9/11 and then start hunting in the plane they are riding in for assumed "terrorists" causing a riot in-flight.

We really should think about having less of this technology for the passengars in the air. I'd rather fly without people around me watching TV or doing AIM on their laptops from 35K feet.

We should force folks to read a damned book and keep the plane(s) quiet.

Re:I can see it now.... (3, Funny)

krbvroc1 (725200) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135061)

This sounds like a good idea, until passengers end up watching live TV coverage of the next 9/11 and then start hunting in the plane they are riding in for assumed "terrorists" causing a riot in-flight.
Of course this is violation of the Terms of Service so you are protected:

# # Interference with Flight Crew: Do not Disclose any Content that would intimidate a flight crew member or flight attendant aboard an aircraft, interfere with the performance of the duties of the flight crew member or flight attendant or lessen the ability of the flight crew member or flight attendant to perform those duties. #

Interference with Airplane Operations: Do not Disclose any Content, knowing the information to be false, about an alleged attempt being made or to be made to hijack, bomb or interfere with the operations of an aircraft.
http://www.connexionbyboeing.com/index.cfm?p=cbb.t ermsofuse&l=en.US&ec= [connexionbyboeing.com]

Re:I can see it now.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11135104)

I'd rather fly without people around me watching TV or doing AIM on their laptops from 35K feet.

Wow. Screw you. You sound like a jerk.

Re:I can see it now.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11135190)

This sounds like a good idea, until passengers end up watching live TV coverage of the next 9/11 and then start hunting in the plane they are riding in for assumed "terrorists" causing a riot in-flight.

To be the first to state the obvious, something like this could have prevented the second and third planes from hitting.

We really should think about having less of this technology for the passengars in the air. I'd rather fly without people around me watching TV or doing AIM on their laptops from 35K feet.

We should force folks to read a damned book and keep the plane(s) quiet.


That's not nice.

Re:I can see it now.... (3, Funny)

dswensen (252552) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135242)

This sounds like a good idea, until passengers end up watching live TV coverage of the next 9/11 and then start hunting in the plane they are riding in for assumed "terrorists" causing a riot in-flight.

Oh, we won't need something as serious as all that to get passengers seeking frantic in-flight vengeance. A simple screening of Kangaroo Jack ought to do the trick.

5 Mbps, 4 channels? (2, Interesting)

nxtr (813179) | more than 9 years ago | (#11134995)

Sounds like the de facto HDTV standard that allows for either one HD signal or four SD signals through multicasting.

TV? (4, Funny)

bfields (66644) | more than 9 years ago | (#11134996)

The service entered commercial use earlier this year and provides a 5 megabits per second shared downstream and 1 mbps shared upstream connection to suitably equipped aircraft. You'll be able to view up to four channels of live TV over your laptop.

5 megabits downstream and 1mbps upstream, and we get.... TV?

Great.

--Bruce Fields

I fail to find this that cool (3, Insightful)

drgath159 (821707) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135000)

"Boeing hasn't announced the names of the channels that will be available but they'll be international news and financial news channels, he says."

Booooooring. If you have a laptop, why the hell would you watch StockMarketTV? Watch a DVD or hell... play some scorched earth. I love my PDA when I take flights cause I just load a few DVD rips on my SD card and have enough juice and content to watch for about 8 hours.

Can airlines ever think of anything other than cheesy novelty features. Does anyone actually use the phones built into the seat? No. Use that high speed connection to give us internet!

Re:I fail to find this that cool (1)

Osty (16825) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135241)

Booooooring. If you have a laptop, why the hell would you watch StockMarketTV? Watch a DVD or hell... play some scorched earth. I love my PDA when I take flights cause I just load a few DVD rips on my SD card and have enough juice and content to watch for about 8 hours.

How often do you fly? Once every few months? Once a year? Less than that? I expect that this is initially targetted to business travellers (read: people who care about financial and stock market news), because many of them fly weekly or monthly (if not daily, even). I'm sure they'll eventually have a "special" channel showing non-business related stuff (like holiday crap, since that's when a large number of non-business folks fly), but for now they're targetting their frequent customers. Makes (business) sense to me.

CNN Airport Network (2, Insightful)

green pizza (159161) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135328)

**ANYTHING** has to be more interesting than the CNN Airport Network station you see in airport terminals.

Jetblue (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11135002)

Why not copy Jetblue's idea of using Directv to provide tv to the plane. That way, at least in the US, the bandwith can be used for internet traffic. Other wise the 5mbps will get used very qucikly.

Limitations (2, Informative)

krbvroc1 (725200) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135003)

I dont think this is very practical. Planes are limited in the power supplied to the seats. Many modern and future laptops draw more power than the plane supplies (or at least the airline allows). Most planes restrict you to 75 watts. So unless you want to use your battery (which has its own limits) you are restricted to how long you can view this. Many airlines also make you remove your battery before you can use power from the plane.

Secondly, does anyone really need live TV via their laptop - it would seem using installed lcd displays is a whole lot easier.

Re:Limitations (1)

Fruny (194844) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135072)

Secondly, does anyone really need live TV via their laptop - it would seem using installed lcd displays is a whole lot easier.


Well, if they are going to give you internet access in the first place, that way they save on the lcd display. The question now is, if all you want is 'plain' internet access, are they going to charge you extra for the live TV 'service' anyway?

Re:Limitations (1)

NMBob (772954) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135127)

Who the heck even has enough room to open up their laptop without risking the display getting crushed when the seat ahead of you leans back?

Also, how many flights have you been on where they couldn't even keep the VCRs running?

Re:Limitations (1)

krbvroc1 (725200) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135147)

How will they implement interrupting your viewing pleasure at the height of the show so that the pilot can tell you the weather at 35,000 feet?

What about 120v ac? (1)

c0dedude (587568) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135006)

Laptop power would be nice on overseas flights, 2 hours battery life sucks. That's something I'd pay up to ~$30 US for.

Re:What about 120v ac? (2, Informative)

man_ls (248470) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135040)

Inverters can be had for about $30 (after MIR) although, for today's power-hungry laptops, my $30 inverter is strong enough to charge the battery while the laptop is shut off, but overdraws when the thing is actually turned on.

Inverter will either plug direct into the plane's +12vDC socket, or use an adapter (about $10) to get a standard +12vDC car-style socket from the plane's socket.

Re:What about 120v ac? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11135126)

Huh? You're gonna plug an inverter into the 12V DC connection to give a 120V AC source for the laptop charger to convert to 12V DC. That's efficient.

Why not get one of the dozens of available DC chargers for laptops?

And while you're at it, get a decent laptop, not a spaceheater that requires 140W to charge.

get a plane power adapter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11135113)

On overseas flights, virtually every big-time airline has power at your seat in business class and many in coach.

You plug in your laptop and run for the entire flight. I did so on the way to and back from Taiwan 2 years ago.

But please don't let on that you'd pay extra for it when it is already included as part of your ticket.

The socket on the planes provides +12V or something close to it. The socket was originally also going to be installed in cars, but they seem to have gone for more cigarette lighter sockets instead.

Blogging potential (1)

FuturePastNow (836765) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135048)

How long before someone live-blogs their flight to wherever? And how pathetic would that be?

SONG already has this - and more... (4, Informative)

datastalker (775227) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135077)

Song has a partnership with Dish Network, and provides 24 channels of TV to the screen in the headrest in front of you. They also provide trivia, music (broadcast and create your own playlist (for a fee)), as well as movies (for a fee), and games (for a fee). The fees for the pay-per stuff are reasonable, but there's enough free (trivia and 24 channels) stuff to keep you busy the entire flight.

Song and JetBlue are great, except... (1)

green pizza (159161) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135345)

Song and JetBlue are great. Unless you want to fly to Chicago, Houston, Dallas, Minneapolis, Toronto, Montreal, Anchorage, Honolulu, Tokyo, London, Paris, or Berlin...

(And really, if SONG can offer Dish Network and games, why can't the rest of Delta Airlines??)

hmmm (-1, Redundant)

nomadic (141991) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135078)

I hope this goes in, otherwise people might be so desperate for entertainment they may read a book or listen to music or just look at the window and think to themselves.

That would be just horrible.

Re:hmmm (1)

Chuck Bucket (142633) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135195)

no kidding, I love flying because I can relax and READ A BOOK! Really, with 2 kids at home it's a rare time that I can get a book in, flights are my favorite place for them. now with my iPod I can have some Coltrane with my read too.

but phones, laptops emails? eeekkk! let me have some time to myself; sometimes I'm just unreachable, get over it.

CB

The Greed Factor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11135094)

What is the Greed Factor?
They are going to have to charge you something to let you use YOUR laptop.
I bet it will only be allowed in first class, where all the vitamin D deficient hang out.

Re:The Greed Factor (1, Interesting)

geomon (78680) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135134)

They are going to have to charge you something to let you use YOUR laptop.

My ISP charges me for service at home.

Why should the airlines be obliged to give it away for free?

Do you equate greed with running a profitable company?

Re:The Greed Factor (1)

Monkelectric (546685) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135171)

I patronize the local coffee shop which has free wireless, and cheaper,m BETTER coffee then starbucks.

It is possible.

Re:The Greed Factor (1)

geomon (78680) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135211)

I patronize the local coffee shop which has free wireless, and cheaper,m BETTER coffee then starbucks.

Free market priciples at work. I have no problem with that.

But you wireless isn't free in the sense that they have worked the fractional cost of operating their wireless service into the price of a cup of coffee. It only appears to be free because it is not explicitly printed on your receipt.

But you knew that already.

Re:The Greed Factor (1)

Monkelectric (546685) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135311)

But you wireless isn't free in the sense that they have worked the fractional cost of operating their wireless service into the price of a cup of coffee. It only appears to be free because it is not explicitly printed on your receipt.

Of course I knew that. But I dont pay to walk on the floor do I? You know someone has to shine that fucker EVERY night. Its called infrastructure costs. Not ever cleaning the floor would surely keep customers OUT of the store. Buying 50$ a month for dsl and a linksys router brings a few INTO the store. Not exactly free, but not exactly not free. Yes, I run a small business.

Re:The Greed Factor (1)

Bobobob314 (689328) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135269)

your ISP does not charge you for being in your house, a plane is a different matter.

wont be long.. (1)

priestx (822223) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135099)

till some one puts linux on it :)

Wind0wz rulez (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11135128)

micro$0ft windoz$ is teh rox0rz. it is >>>>>>>>> th7n lInux In closing, vi is better then emacs.

But will they ... (1)

Coyote67 (220141) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135131)

offer any programs about calm hindu cows?

Nah... (1)

dethl (626353) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135245)

But they'll have a program of a monkey running around a stage in a sweat-drenched shirt screaming "Developers! Developers!"

Re:But will they ... (1)

tarunthegreat2 (761545) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135251)

I'm curious... are there Hindu Cows? And if so, do the Cows in Texas believe that all Hindu Cows will go to hell about their different beliefs, and misunderstood MONO-theism? What about them thar Mormon cows?....

Service isn't widespread enough for wifi as is (1)

Buran (150348) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135154)

This service was announced sometime in 2000 or so and should have been far more pervasive than it is now. Wifi Internet access in the air was supposed to have been fairly easy to get, but you can still only get it on a few airlines (like Lufthansa) and you have to be going on pretty long trips (like overseas) to even have the option of getting it.

Before we start adding more stuff like TV (why do we need that, anyway, when aircraft are often equipped these days with seatback LCD screens?) ... give us more flights (shorter-duration and on more airlines) that have the wifi option.

More typical corporate foot-dragging here, and more PR fluff pieces for something that no one really has access to.

Uhoh? I can see the rental charges now (1)

Zaphod_Beebleburp (839364) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135176)

What is the current rate for headphone rental on airlines? Last time I flew it was $5 US (Unless you're sneaky and use your own with an adapter).

I can forsee Boeing coming up with some crazy adapter that you can plug into the armrest and charge you $10, $15, $20 for it. At least we'll eventually be able to thank Radio Shack for selling the same adapter for $2 under a different name.

You don't honestly think that they are going to retrofit their entire fleet and not charging anything for the convenience do you?

Re:Uhoh? I can see the rental charges now (3, Informative)

wasted (94866) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135346)

What is the current rate for headphone rental on airlines?

American sells you a headset for $5, and encourages you to reuse it on your next flight. It was $2 last month, and $1 in March. Their seats have the same adapter as most personal stereos, and they allow you to bring your own.

The end of the airplane telephone? (1)

The Islamic Fundamen (728413) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135186)

Well, if they do offer this high speed service how long is it untill an ingenious passanger realizes: instead of being charged $7.50 USD a minute for the use of a airplane telephone, he can boot up his laptop and bust out some skype and be making that call for 0.023 cents? Or have stanaphone and use an 800 calling card # to make that call for free.....

Why Bother? JetBlue has TV. (4, Informative)

bjbest (808259) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135191)

JetBlue advertises that they offer 36 channels of DirecTV. Screen at every seat. For free. Right now. No need to bring your own equipment.

Re:Why Bother? JetBlue has TV. (1)

green pizza (159161) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135338)

Song and JetBlue are great. Unless you want to fly to Chicago, Houston, Dallas, Minneapolis, Toronto, Montreal, Anchorage, Honolulu, Tokyo, London, Paris, or Berlin...

This is... stupid (1)

dteichman2 (841599) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135203)

4 channels is not what most people are going to want to watch. Has anyone considered taking a DVD with them? If you really need the news, go to CNN's website. Or, if you want to kill time very efficiently, load HL 2 up on your laptop (and bring a mouse).

Internet access. (3, Insightful)

DustyShadow (691635) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135263)

I'd much rather have internet access on my laptop while I fly instead of 4 crappy tv channels.

Laptop battery life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11135289)

I don't care about the in-flight tv, but it would be nice to be able to plug in my laptop so I can watch a dvd or something without worrying about the battery life. Internet access would be nice too.

Coincidence (2, Funny)

ThesQuid (86789) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135306)

I just happen to be in an ANA flight and they happen to have the Connexion service, and it rocks! Getting 28kb/sec on my torrent now. Perhaps the RIAA will sue Boeing?

I'll believe it when I see it. (1)

green pizza (159161) | more than 9 years ago | (#11135312)

I'll believe it when I see it.

Some airlines "get it" and have realized that their customers find value in free onboard services. JetBlue is a young "no-name" airline with a strong following because of their upbeat attitude and nice in-cabin entertainment offerings.

Other airlines have divisions that "get it", such as Delta's SONG airline. (I don't really agree with the way they pimp candy bars and sandwiches though).

But there are still so many airlines that have a really hard time grasping the concept that their customers have brains and like reasonable entertainment. I have a strong distaste for Southwest, they generally either treat me like crap or they try to be comedians. Continental, American, and United are far more professional, but they're deaf and blind. Why only offer in flight entertainment to overseas and only certain domestic flights? Why is your first class section so poorly managed. Those of us who pay for first (be it with money or upgrades with frequent flyer miles) expect a little better service and a larger variety of ammenties. Northwest is another airline I dislike. Why do they insist on hiring crabby old grandmas to be their flight attendents? I guess it fits their white and gray interior color scheme. But if you have white surfaces, KEEP THEM CLEAN, otherwise just use the dark beige and orange surfaces that Southwest uses to hide the dirt!!!

Rant Rant Rant. Airlines in the USA just don't get it. I really doubt they'll invest in Boeing's new entertainment systems. And even if they do, they'll just cripple it with strange usage restrictions and/or heavy fees. After all, these same airlines are starting to think they should charge us as much as $10 for a 3-day-old deli sandwich, no-name chips, and a piece of fruit. My local grocery store would sell me the same bundle of the same "quality" for $2.
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