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Sony and Sharp Backing LCD TVs Over Plasma?

michael posted more than 9 years ago | from the betamax dept.

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LostCluster writes "Several reports out of Toyko are indicating that Sony intends on dropping out of the plasma TV business and ramping up productions of LCD TVs instead. Meanwhile rumors have it that Sharp is planning on investing US$1.9 billion on an LCD production plant."

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Sony deny it (BBC link) (5, Informative)

CdBee (742846) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136197)

Re:Sony deny it (BBC link) (3, Informative)

BJH (11355) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136427)

Possible withdrawal from plasma market by Sony [yahoo.co.jp]

"It was discovered on the 20th that Sony is considering reducing the scale of its plasma TV manufacturing and sales business. There is also the possibility that it will withdraw entirely from the market next year. Currently Sony manufactures and sells plasma, LCD and rear-projection types of slim TVs, but with the continued increase in size of LCD screens, it is looking at concentrating its business resources on LCD and rear-projection units, thereby increasing its competitiveness in the market.
Slim TVs had, until recently, been divided along clear lines, with LCDs being used for medium and smaller screens, plasma for larger screens, and rear-projection used for the largest sizes. However, advances in LCD technology now allow mass production of screens of up to 40 inches in size.
In addition, with a Sony/Samsung LCD factory coming on line next year, it appears that Sony have decided it is more profitable to produce their own LCD screens rather than obtain plasma screens from other manufacturers.
Sony's main plasma screen factory in Ichinomiya, Aichi Prefecture, Japan, will reduce its production of plasma screens over time, and increase production of LCD and rear-projection screens."

BUT... Sony is definately shifting towards LCDs... (1)

ChesireKat (601712) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136693)

My fellow circuit city employee's say Sony is planning out comming out with new LCD technology (actually, they've been working on it for quite a while). Its supposed to come out sometime next year. Basically, its an LCD where the pixels don't get old and stick and stuff :) (yay!) It's called A1 Addinene (sp?) If anyone has any more information on it, lemme know (i'm curious)

Will this bring prices down? (4, Interesting)

jmcmunn (307798) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136198)

I have been looking at LCD Tv's for my home for the past few months. Unfortunately up until this point the plasmas have been slightly more in my price range for the size I am looking for. Will this shift to LCD technology cause the plasmas to come down in price, because they are "outdated" technology, or will we see the LCD prices come down because there is more production?

Also, any Slashdotters have recommendations on going with a plasma vs an lcd? Power usage, heat, image quality, overall life of product?

Re:Will this bring prices down? (4, Informative)

cybrthng (22291) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136215)

The US dollar is falling, so its highly doubtfull LCD tv's will fall that much unless they decide to saturate the market and cut earnings.

3 new LCD plants have opened that i'm aware of so we may get lucky and see that saturation..

HOWEVER, Buyer-Be-Ware - Not all tv's are the same. Look at those resulutions, refresh rates and pixel speeds before forking out the cash. Make sure you only buy from a place with a satisfaction guarantee & warranty.

Re:Will this bring prices down? (2, Interesting)

CountBrass (590228) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136263)

I wouldn't touch a plasma screen with a barge pole: after only two years of use the brightness will be down to less than half of what it was when you bought it.

If I didn't already have a 54" back projection TV I'd be in the market for a decent LCD screen.

That said: LCD displays rely on (non-user replacable) fluorescent(?) tubes and they can blow or dim as well: but from what I've seen LCDs are much cheaper than plasma screens.

Re:Will this bring prices down? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11136317)

after only two years of use the brightness will be down to less than half of what it was when you bought it.

This was improved a couple of years ago. Current plasma tv's will last roughly a decade before reaching the half-dimmed point.

Prices for flat-screens TVs will be dropping (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11136272)

Look at all the engineering required to make a CRT work. The only reason CRT images are as good as they are is that there is a century of engineering in steering that electron beam and figuring out the shape of the glass and what to coat it with to make it glow in the right colors.

In other words, making CRTs is a cast-iron bitch.

They're cheap because of economies of scale and engineering experience.

Plasmas and LCDs, on the other hand, have (IIRC) direct connections to the pixels to light them up. No steering of a beam involved - just switching electronics, which we've gotten really good at in the last few decades.

Now we're just waiting for economies of scale to knock down the prices, and engineering experience to make manufacturing more efficient.

Twenty or thirty years from now, I'd bet a flat-screen TV can be had for the equivalent of a few hundred bucks.

Do not go plasma. (4, Informative)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136406)

My friends have one. They got it last Christmas and you can already tell that it is not as bright as it used to be. Their problem is they got the TV without discussing with the sales people what their viewing habits were. They have a tendancy to leave their TV on all the time.

Plasmas are good money makers because the bigger ones are not really that more expensive to make. Getting under 42" actually costs more. LCDs are the opposite.

I have the old fashioned project 5-CRT based HDTV widescreen and have looked at LCD based solution. My opinion, unless you just have to have it NOW wait till later in the year as the prices have been dropping a lot lately and can only get better.

Re:Will this bring prices down? (1)

dlZ (798734) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136434)

I recently just bought a large projection tv for my main set. Yes, it could get burn in, but we flip so much or just watch movies. For the rest of the tvs in the house, I went with small (17-20 inch) LCDs. My favorite is my 17" Samsung. Perfect bedroom size, and it's HD.
The large projection TV seemed like the best bet. It cost a fraction of what a nice LCD would have, is larger, and I can change the bulbs out myself if need be. And HD to boot. I never even really watched TV until buying a 51" tv. Hell, I even had cable installed for the first time ever.

Re:Will this bring prices down? (5, Informative)

ChesireKat (601712) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136448)

Being a Circuit City employee, I say LCD is the best bang-for-your-buck, and everyone in our TV department agrees. Plasma is for people who like to show off they have a lot of money.

And, you HAVE to get the extended warrenty on a plasma (its stupid not to). The LCD extended warrenty is "optional." Most people don't take that into account. Besides, LCD's have a much longer life expectancy.

Re:Will this bring prices down? (2, Funny)

Minwee (522556) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136632)

"Being a Circuit City employee, I say [...] extended warrenty is 'optional'"

Can't you get fired from Circuit City for saying things like that?

Next you're going to tell me that my new laptop doesn't _really_ need this 1200W subwoofer.

Re:Will this bring prices down? (2, Funny)

ChesireKat (601712) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136764)

Naw, we have a legal obligation to say its optional :).

However, i AM in the laptop department, and i _know_ a laptop isn't REALLY a laptop without a 1200W subwoofer. AND, an extended warrenty (covers the laptop battery!)

Re:Will this bring prices down? (1)

cHiphead (17854) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136788)

You are assuming they pay him enough to care.

Cheers.

Not profitable? (4, Interesting)

FiReaNGeL (312636) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136199)

Jeez... if it's not profitable at the insane price plasma TV sells, I guess it won't be profitable anytime soon...

Early adopters might get burned on this one... we don't even know how long they last yet. How can a plasma screen fail? LCDs get annoying stuck pixels, CRT just pass out... what about plasma? Do we have an estimated life expectancy on those?

Re:Not profitable? (4, Informative)

ocelotbob (173602) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136226)

plasma doesn't last as long and is suceptible to burn-in, much like the video game screens of old had "Game Over" permanently emblazened in there. So if you watch one channel for a long time, you may find your $4000 set permanently branded with their logo.

Re:Not profitable? (2, Informative)

uktroubs (816489) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136254)

Apart from the fact all plasmas made in the past two years have technology to prevent this from happening. A lil like the urban myth that Plasmas die after three years. This is NOT true, most last about 15+ now days. The technology has changed, manufacturers knew about the restrictions and the problems with the first generation devices, and worked hard to combat a lot of those problems.

Re:Not profitable? (2, Interesting)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136298)


how on earth does anyone know that a plasma TV will last 15 years ?

Re:Not profitable? (1)

spicydragonz (837027) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136312)

I read that as 15+ days. I am pretty suree most plasma screens last that long.

Life Testing (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11136335)

how on earth does anyone know that a plasma TV will last 15 years?

Well, it's an estimate, but an educated one. At the manufacturing plants we do life testing where we burn in the test units for a specified amount of time (usually three months or more) often under some extreme environment. This is the routine life testing and doesn't even consider the tests which the original design models go through. Anyway, from what we learn from the life tests, we can estimate how long the sets will last in the consumer's homes. 15 years might be a bit optimistic, but it's not a bad estimate. In all honestly, I would put it closer to 10-12 years.

And yes, I make plasma TVs.

Re:Life Testing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11136465)

So, I can buy a $4000 plasma TV that lasts 10 years or a $500 CRT TV that lasts 15 years. Ummm, I think I'll stick with my CRT.

Re:Life Testing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11136713)

I would too. We make both plasmas and crts here. I have a crt. Nice big widescreen one too. :)

Re:Not profitable? (1, Funny)

BJZQ8 (644168) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136355)

Because the ad says so!

Re:Not profitable? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11136351)

Wow, I wouldn't think about buying a plasma tv if it is only going to last 15+ days!

Re:Not profitable? (1, Funny)

Zog The Undeniable (632031) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136467)

So if you watch one channel for a long time, you may find your $4000 set permanently branded with their logo.

And if that's the Playboy Channel, boy are you in trouble with your wife!

lifetime (1)

Bazman (4849) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136341)

I saw an ad recently boasting a plasma TV with a 'double the standard lifetime' of 60,000 hours.

Baz

Re:lifetime (1, Funny)

Zog The Undeniable (632031) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136501)

Reminds me of a joke I once heard:

"I don't know whether to trust the three year warranty on my new Mercedes. After all, they said the Third Reich would last 1000 years and it only managed about 12."

Plasma Failures (1)

madaxe42 (690151) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136551)

In a plasma display, the brightness will decrease to about ~85% of the original over the first 10,000 viewing hours, and will then stay about there...

The Main problem you'll encounter with plasmas is burn-in, but as long as you're not silly (display the same image for 40,000 hours or something) you won't have a problem.

My plasma has done 47,000 hours now, and still displays a picture beautifully, with very little burn (enlightenment pager in one corner, oops!), but the display driver just recently failed - it's going to cost me about £300 to get a new one. No big deal!

LCD over Plasma? No brainer... (0)

swordboy (472941) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136200)

Plasma gets burn-in. LCD does not. This is news?

Re:LCD over Plasma? No brainer... (1)

uktroubs (816489) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136221)

LCD are only really better due to higher display resolutions ( with HDTV becoming more standard in America, and Europe getting it in the next year or two, manufacturers are investing in high resolution displays which lcd's are better at ). Current generation LCD's do however have an absolutely terrible contrast ratio. Compare the picture quality of a plasma to that of a lcd and most of the time you will notice a GREAT deal more vibrant colours on the plasma. Also, if you are using for home use, and not commercial, then it is very unlikely, in a typical household, you will ever get screen burn on your plasma. I've had mine two years now and it's as perfect as the day it was bought, AND i can actually watch it in direct sunlight unlike most of the lcd tv's being displayed now days.

Re:LCD over Plasma? No brainer... (2, Informative)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136248)

Have a look at the latest Philips LCD models, especially their Pixel Plus and Pixel Plus 2 designs. Simply put, they're stunning. Better pictures than most CRT televisions, in fact. And direct sunlight doesn't faze them at all.

Re:LCD over Plasma? No brainer... (1)

uktroubs (816489) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136259)

And look at the cost too. What are the benefits of having a smaller lcd to a larger plasma?! Most new plasmas have screen burn elimination features, high contrast ratio's, and are a lot cheaper than the equivalent lcd size screens.

Re:LCD over Plasma? No brainer... (2, Insightful)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136326)

What are the benefits? You mean apart from a better quality picture, HDTV support, etc?

Re:LCD over Plasma? No brainer... (5, Insightful)

Gr8Apes (679165) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136292)

And what about DLP? High resolution, no burn in issues, high contrast, vibrant color, light wieght and small footprint, although not small enough to hang on your wall. What more could you want? (Oh, and a $300 bulb every few years under average use, can't forget the negatives).

Re:LCD over Plasma? No brainer... (4, Informative)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136321)

DLP does have another drawback.

The one-chip DLP method of displaying of an image basically paints the red, green and blue color parts of the image at different times rather than at the same time like most other display techs. This bothers some people, it is noticible to a lot of people if they move your eyes much when there are bright objects on a dark background. Some people feel nauseous because of this effect. It has been improved with faster color wheels but a lot of displays still use 2x speed color wheels.

Re:LCD over Plasma? No brainer... (1)

Gr8Apes (679165) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136455)

Interesting. That one I was unaware of. I'll have to investigate that aspect before purchasing my next TV.

However, how does this compare to the compression artifacts of current digital signals? I have a CRT HDTV hooked up to DishNetwork, and some channels have incredibly poor signals most likley due to overcompression, which really does negatively affect the viewing experience. Note that these are the regular channels, not the HD channels.

Re:LCD over Plasma? No brainer... (1)

uktroubs (816489) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136450)

I've always been a fan of projector's, and the current projector market offers greater value than both lcd and plasma technology. This can be seen with Panasonic's latest projector ( PTAE700 ) which has a contrast ratio of 2000:1 and a high lumens output to match, all at a price of under £1500 ( and that includes the screen ). The problem with the projection market however is a lot of people do not have the space ( or do not want the clutter ) of setting up a projection entertatinment system. I used to live in a shared household, where we had a projector setup due to having enough space. Im not currently living in a one bedroom apartment with the misses, so dont have the same space available and therefore if I want to choose a large tv I only really have plasma/lcd to choose from ( as rear projections also take up too much room ). Conclusion - Projectors are brilliant if you have the space and want a home cinema setup. If your less technically minded, or simply dont have the space, then you need to look to flat screen models for equivalent big pictures.

Projector takes up more space? (1)

Firethorn (177587) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136651)

How does having a projector properly mounted to the ceiling and a screen against a wall take up any more space than a LCD or equivalent?

That's the nice thing about a projector, you can mount it just about anywhere.

Re:LCD over Plasma? No brainer... (1)

Yartrebo (690383) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136592)

Let's see, perhaps a $300 bulb is more expensive than the replacement value of the largest TV in our house (25 inch).

And resolution is worthless if you're feeding noisy over the air analogue signals. Same goes with contrast, color, etc. I'm not too sure our digital signals are clean enough to use.

Window screen effect? (1)

chiph (523845) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136667)

What about the window-screen effect?
Does the new Texas Instruments HD3 chip reduce that?

Chip H.

viewing angle ... bad pixels (1)

Gopal.V (532678) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136267)

You watch a TV from typically 6-5 feet ... So I guess bad pixels won't be noticed that bad :)

But the view angle + illumination + contrast vote goes in favour of the Plasma.

Btw, won't a company prefer something with builtin obsolence - oh, wait, there's no monopoly yet ..

Re:LCD over Plasma? No brainer... (2, Informative)

UID1000000 (768677) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136299)

Parent is correct.

Plus the gases diminish in quality over time. If you look at a Plasma that has been in use for two years next to the very same plasma tv you'll see the difference. I've done this very same thing. Plus the gases don't work as well in higher regions such as Colorado.

No problem with LCDs in Colorado and also no problems with burn in or quality decreasing over age. Also LCD TVs are lighter. A plasma TV weighs in at 60-100 LBs (average).

BBC claims Sony is denying it... (4, Informative)

I confirm I'm not a (720413) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136201)

Auntie Beeb [bbc.co.uk] claims that Sony are denying reports: it sounds as though industry analysts may be describing what Sony should do, rather than reporting what Sony is doing.

Conspiracies Abound (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11136202)

I don't think it's too far off to guess that companies like LCDs not only because they're cheaper, but because they fade after lots of use with bright (hot) backlighting. That means automatic obsolescence.

well... (3, Interesting)

selderrr (523988) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136210)

... reports ... indicating ... intends ... rumors ... planning ...

let's wait for real info shall we ?
Plasma is in a stadium now where LCD was a few years back : cool technology but stuck in the circle of expensive->low sales->expensive->...

Give it some time.

Re:well... (0)

platos_beard (213740) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136522)

Wait for real info? WTF?

Let's face it, anyone coming to /. for accurate information from reliable sources is a bloody idiot.

Seems to make sense (4, Interesting)

ocelotbob (173602) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136211)

Plasma TVs always had the appearance of being a niche item to me; only useful for when the cost and logistics of making a big LCD got overly prohibitive. I've got a feeling other makers are going to follow suit as well as LCD technology allows for larger, better screens than before. It just seems more beneficial to have one line that scales than two very separate technologies that require you to diverge your resources.

Re:Seems to make sense (1)

uktroubs (816489) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136233)

Compare Plasma contrast ratio's to LCD contrast ratio's. LCD's were more usefull for the PC sector initially due to there low constrast ratio's and high resolutions. Plasma's are the opposite, usually mid range resolution, with high contrast ratio, which is aimed at the consumer market where ( in eu at least where there is no hdtv yet ) your more worried about quality of picture than resolution.

When I first read that heading (1, Funny)

suso (153703) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136217)

LCD TVs over Plasma

I was thinking that they meant to display LCD TV over a plasma medium. Kinda like PPP over ethernet, or Voice over IP, or Ethernet over Reality TV.

Re:When I first read that heading (0, Offtopic)

suso (153703) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136342)

Sheesh, I think slashdot moderators have it in for me or something. Did I do something wrong? Why was this moderated as Offtopic? It was meant to be somewhat funny, and had to do with the article.

Re:When I first read that heading (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11136381)

It was not funny. Your "..thought it said ______" attempt at humor did not even make sense.

Sorry bud.. think before you post.

Re:When I first read that heading (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11136471)

Well, y'know... we weren't going to tell you this, but... you SUCK. Nothing personal, of course - it's just one of those things.

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Why? (1)

zanderredux (564003) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136219)

What's the problem with plasma, anyway?

Does this have to do with the alleged issue of color fading in plasma sets?

Re:Why? (3, Informative)

LanMan04 (790429) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136239)

Over not-that-long a period of time (like 2 years of "normal" use, IIRC), the brightness of a Plasma TV is reduced by HALF.

Re:Why? (4, Informative)

QuietLagoon (813062) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136294)

like 2 years of "normal" use,

The curent plasmas have pushed that time closer to nine years. Even though the 'two-year dimming plague' affected only plasmas that were made more than two or three years ago, the stigma lives on.

Re:Why? (1)

cjmnews (672731) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136316)

I had heard information along the same lines. Though the preditions I heard were a little more dire. They said after 5-7 years the plasma sets would be basically trash and have to be replaced. LCD is the way to go.

Personally they're all too expensive. I'll stick with my standard TV for a few more years.

On a somewhat related side note have you seen that commercial for the LCD screen that "illuminates the room to match the picture for a more complete experience"? I think that there is light leakage and they're just marketing it as a new feature. What do you think?

Re:Why? (2, Informative)

dougjm (838643) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136256)

It burns out in 2-4 years. Also if you watch anything with a logo in the corner eg. sports channels etc. after continual watching the logo will burn into the screen.

I like to think of plasmas like old CRTs that you really needed a screen saver for.

We make Plasmas, and... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11136296)

What's the problem with plasma, anyway?

Does this have to do with the alleged issue of color fading in plasma sets?

It's all about cost.

I happen to work at one of the Sony plants which makes plasma TVs (hence the anonymous posting). Sony does not actually make the plasma panels. That fact was noted in some of the newspaper reports. So all Sony does is assemble them. Well, that's not completely true. We manufacture some of the electronic components that go into the set, but the actual plasma panel is not Sony. So we don't have a lot of ways to reduce cost.

Plus, the only real reason anyone manufacture's plasmas is because making large LCDs is really expensive and difficult. That's why you only see large plasma sets -- plasma TVs fill the niche that large LCDs would fill if they were available. You don't see small plasmas since you can get small LCDs. So, as LCDs drop in price and increase in size they will inevitable take the place of plasmas completely.

Re:Why? (1)

neeb (838572) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136376)

What's the problem with plasma, anyway?

Nothing, so long as you don't mind something that'll consume as much power as running a toaster and three hair dryers.

Re:Why? (1)

NormalVisual (565491) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136431)

Plasmas aren't *that* bad on power consumption. My 42" plasma draws about 300 watts - that's quite a bit of power, but nowhere near what a toaster or hair dryer draws, and less than some people's PCs that I know of. :-)

And why wouldn't they? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11136227)

Do plasma displays offer any advantages over LCD displays? They are power hogs and consequently produce a lot of heat, they have low spatial resolution and they have low color resolution. What is there to list in favor of plasma displays?

Re:And why wouldn't they? (2, Informative)

NormalVisual (565491) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136454)

Plasmas are *lots* cheaper than a comparably sized LCD, they offer better contrast, and they offer a much wider viewing angle. Spatial and color resolution is a function of the individual panel, and isn't a function of the technology per se.

Re:And why wouldn't they? (1)

Zog The Undeniable (632031) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136530)

Plasma and LCD are both relatively immature technologies for TV. The real issue is how far prices can fall when they become mainstream, and my money is on LCD (look at what has happened to the price of 17" LCD monitors over the last 2-3 years as volumes and manufacturing efficiencies have picked up). I'm not convinced that plasma TVs can be made an order of magnitude cheaper than they currently are, but I'm sure LCDs can.

They're both nice things to have (5, Informative)

hattig (47930) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136238)

Plasmas are nice for moving images, although the resolutions don't typically match HDTV resolutions at the moment, and low-end plasmas basically suck for resolution (480P). LCD TV displays are often made now in HDTV compatible resolutions (1280x720, 1920x1080) which automatically makes them a better choice, until plasma displays also come with decent resolution at a comparable price. I'm not saying that there aren't cheap plasmas that have HDTV native resolutions of course, just that the majority of cheap 42" plasmas have 480 lines of resolution *still*.

The sensible person, of course, will wait 3 years and then pick up whatever is the best techology then, for a much nicer price. Of course, I did promise myself my next TV would be at least 40" on the diagonal, and plasmas are much better at these sizes than LCD TVs which generally top out at 30" for a lot of money.

Re:They're both nice things to have (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11136278)

LCD TVs have a blur effect when displaying fast motion. Plasma's usually don't because the pixels react faster...

Re:They're both nice things to have (1)

qodfathr (255387) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136361)

That may be true for a cheap (sub $500) direct-view LCD TV, but any modern, large screen LCD TV will not exhibit this problem.

I've had a Sony LCD rear projection for a few years now, and I've never seen any kind of bluring. And as Sony is about to release the 5th generation of this TV, I'd say the problem has been fixed for a reasonably long time.

Even when I'm play Halo 2, there is absolutely no blurring; it should be easy to find an LCD TV > $2500 that doesn't blur. I have not done a lot of research in the $1500 range, so I cannot claim to be sure about those TVs.

Re:They're both nice things to have (1)

Peter Cooper (660482) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136287)

Why not get a projector? Then it can be any size you want and it'll be cheaper. The main running cost will be the bulbs.

In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11136264)

Kodak is backing OLED displays, because they own all the patents on it.

Re:In other news... (1)

iamwahoo2 (594922) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136444)

Other companies have still come out with OLED prototypes.

Fact: Sony is dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11136268)

OK So I'm not a BSD style troll. But Sony sure seems to have lost a major part of their value and seeming invulnerability in marketshare. Sadly, Sony is no longer my preferred company when it comes to buying electronics equipment.

Samsung Develops 102-Inch Plasma (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11136269)

In related news Samsung have recently announced a 102 inch plasma , so I doubt plasma is dead yet.
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200412/kt200412161 6225410440.htm [hankooki.com]

Re:Samsung Develops 102-Inch Plasma (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11136327)

holy fuck Batman!! that's one big ____...

Kibbee (4, Insightful)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136288)

I still think that CRTs offer the best picture out there, at least for the price. Sure they may take up a little extra space. But they are much better. Most CRTs I've seen last 10 years + with being on for many hours per day. You don't have to worry so much about burn in, and they look good from just about any angle. I don't think i'm going to buy anything other than a CRT for quite some time.

Re:Kibbee (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11136303)

CRT is ok, but the sets are small and heavy. CRT-RP is an abomination. Heavy, very prone to burn in. Best picture, yes, but to get it you have to recalibrate every 6 months.

CRT will die a deserved death. LCD, LCD-RP, DLP-RP and LCOS-RP are here to stay.

Re:Kibbee (2, Funny)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136382)

I still think that CRTs offer the best picture out there, at least for the price.

They also offer the most efficient hernia creation out there too, at any price.
36" Sony WEGA =~ 250lbs @ US$2100
vs
100" Optoma 939 front projector & screen =~ 20lbs @ US$1700

Re:Kibbee (1)

Yartrebo (690383) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136642)

36" is out of the speet spot for CRTs. CRTs are most price competitive around 25 and 27 inches and get far heavier and pricier beyond that.

Projectors are most competitive for insanely large sizes.

Re:Kibbee (1)

eric_brissette (778634) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136384)

One major advantage of LCD over CRT is the lack of glare, which is a major contributor to eye strain.

Also, they emit less low frequency electromagnetic emissions, which, according only to the state of California, is likely to cause some random disease sometime in the unknown future.

Re:Kibbee (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136435)

I'm with you on this one. I have a nice Sony Wega 32" and I'm very happy with it. Heck, it's borderline too large for my living room. You don't put a 50" screen in a 20square meter living room.

Re:Kibbee (1)

nonmaskable (452595) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136440)

When I was researching what HDTV to buy last year I watched my favorite movies on lots of different setups and (IMHO) for movies like Blade Runner with lots of dark settings LCDs just don't cut it at all.

So for me, it wasn't bang for the buck, it was just a better viewing choice for what I like to watch. Of course it weighs a ton and is on the small side, but...

Not likely to happen (3, Insightful)

Laurentiu (830504) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136305)

IMHO, as long as plasma TVs are trendy, Sony can't afford NOT to make them. There are people who buy Sony just because they see it as a high-tech company, and I don't believe they can afford to loose that. Their speed in denying this report prooves it.

Re:Not likely to happen (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11136396)

Why doo yoou use an extra O in woords like "lose" and "prove"?

A wise decision (2, Interesting)

Kosi (589267) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136306)

These plasma screens are inferior in so many ways:

- less lifetime
- more power consumption / heat
- less resolution
- deteriorating display quality

Is there even only one discipline where the point goes to plasma?

Re:A wise decision (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11136339)

Size - for the US market bigger is always better, for the rest of the world the biggest LCDs are big enough and far more practical.

Re:A wise decision (1)

Lxy (80823) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136415)

Is there even only one discipline where the point goes to plasma?

Out of the box, plasma usually has a brighter, clearer display. It's almost false advertising in a way. Plasma looks clear and beautiful when you buy it, but it quickly fades.

Anybody have details on this new DLP technology? I know nothing about it except that it supposedly has the clarity of plasma without the long term fading.

Re:A wise decision (1)

computechnica (171054) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136633)

DLPs have been around for a few years in front projectors for presentations. They offer about 10 times the conrast ratio and pixel speed of LCD projection. This is due to the fact that DLPs use tiny mirror to actually switch each pixel in and out of view. LCD are just light filters and leak even at full black.

There are two more new display technologies that will gain on these in a few years: Field Emision Display (FED) and Organic Light Emmiting Diodes (oLED).

Plasma is overrated (1, Interesting)

TheRealFixer (552803) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136308)

Makes sense. Plasma TVs are not really worth it, money-wise. Beautiful picture, yes, but they have a fairly limited lifespan as the gas starts to lose its charge. I couldn't justify thousands of dollars that I'd have to end up spending again in a few years as the picture fades.

Good News (2, Interesting)

twalls (789774) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136345)

This is good news considering one of my Sony plasmas refused to turn on after only a year (instead flashing an error code). After months of fighting Sony for support, they finally shipped a refurbished replacement from one end of the US to the other. This unit was purchased from Sound Advice as a consumer product and yet was treated as an "industrial" product, from both companies, when the need for support came along.

hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11136362)

"Is there even only one discipline where the point goes to plasma?"

How about no stuck pixels? mind you, stuck pixels are usually NOT covered by warranty unless you have at least a few in the same section of the screen - and they can be VERY annoying...

Well it's ONE plus at least.

Brightness and noise (3, Interesting)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136370)

Will LCD avoid the need for cooling fans or will the required brightness for a larger screen mean brighter backlights and therefore more heat?

DLP (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11136397)

With all these comments about Plasma Vs LCD I'm surprised no-one has weighed in with an opinion about DLP.

Sure, you can't hang a rear projection unit on the wall... but with DLP having better resolution, contrast, and brightness than Plasma... and without the burn-in issues of Plasma (or the convergance issues of older projection units) it seems an outstanding choice for screen sizes over 40"

Some reasons why Plasmas are still good (2, Informative)

jfmerryman (670236) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136407)

Since there seem to be quite a few postings that are negative on plasma display technology, here are some reasons to purchase a Plasma TV over an LCD TV:

- Display size. Plasma is available in much larger sizes, and is cheaper at the 42" size than LCD.
- Black level. Good plasma (i.e. those based on Panasonic glass) panels display a darker black. LCD blacks often are very bright gray - especially noticable when viewing in a dark room.
- Viewing angle. LCDs usually offer a narrower viewing angle than plasma displays.

LCDs do have several advantages, IMO:
- Resolution. Some displays even support 1080p resolution.
- Less prone to burn-in. I have heard that over a long period of time, the dyes in LCD panels can burn in, but it is such a long time it is not a factor for most users.
- Lower power consumption and heat.

Re:Some reasons why Plasmas are still good (1)

zboy (685758) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136451)

what about color banding/artifacting?

that's the one thing I've always noticed looking at plasma's and LCD's on display together..the LCD's tend to have a quite noticeable effect

PSP anyone? (1)

tenchi90 (668754) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136409)

I hope that since they are focusing on LCD they make better smallform lcds. (PSP) "Damnit there are 20 dead pixels in my TV!"

We went with LCDs (4, Interesting)

Therlin (126989) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136441)

We were looking at installing some displays around the offices to show news, PR, etc (you know, that "modern look" you see everywhere).

After some reasearch we chose LCDs due to the aging and burn-in issues of Plasma TVs. An LCD would be more expensive, but give us a much better life.

Other offices went with Plasma TVs instead. Fast forward a few years, now they are complaining about brightness issues, logo burn-ins, etc and they are budgeting to replace them. Our LCDs are happily chugging along.

So these news, true or not, do not come as a surprise to me.

Makes sense! (2, Informative)

Zog The Undeniable (632031) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136447)

Not just because Sony don't actually manufacture plasma panels, but because it's a dead end technology. Plasma screens are horribly expensive (and not potentially as cheap as LCDs could become), they run hot and have a surprisingly short service life. LCD is the way to go, and it's catching up fast.

/insert flames from irate plasma TV owners below

Fait of Plasma Probably Currency Driven (1)

BlakeLupa (767754) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136553)

I like the way plasma screens look at least the "young" ones say way, but If the USA is the main driver behind HDTV the drop in the US dollar (which is unlikely to stop while Bush is in the White House), will kill plasma. Unless there are markets in Asia which can pick up the slack from dropping USA sales. Even if Europe catches up to the USA in HDTV availability, I think controls on European retailing will keep the sales slow. My limited USA biases understanding of European retailers is that most of them have a fixed minumum mark up around 50% they must apply to consumer sale. If this is not the cast fill me in. I have not idea what the availably of HDTV is in Asia. I know Japan got burned on analog HDTV a while ago. What is going on in Japan, Singapore, Korea and Taiwan as far as HDTV goes now?

Paddington Station... (1)

david.given (6740) | more than 9 years ago | (#11136704)

...in London installed big plasma TV screens all over the place to use as status boards. This was a few years back.

Let me see: they're on 24 hours a day and they tend to display the same image for very long periods of time. Can you guess what happened? Yup, within six months they were badly burnt, and after a couple of years they were nearly unreadable.

They've recently all been replaced with orange LED-grid displays. They're brighter, bigger, much easier to read, and probably have huge lifetimes.

I hate to think how much money they spent on all those plasma screens...

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