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Automakers Working on Car-to-Car Ad-Hoc Networks

michael posted more than 9 years ago | from the C2C dept.

Wireless Networking 376

LouCifer writes "The Register is reporting that BMW, Audi, Daimler Chrysler, Volkswagen, Renault and Fiat are working with a German government grant to help develop a standard method for car-to-car wireless networking dubbed 'NOW' (Network On Wheels). NOW is based on 802.11 and IPv6 to allow inter-vehicle communication based on ad-hoc networking to share traffic information. With routing capabilities, the hope is the vehicles will be able to warn each other - and the drivers - about bad weather, accidents and road problems. A prototype is expected by mid-2005 with field trials to start late Q1 2006."

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It's called CAN (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11151281)

and like I2C, its been around for ages.

Linux is *not* user friendly, and until it is linux will stay with >1% marketshare.

Take installation. Linux zealots are now saying "oh installing is so easy, just do apt-get install package or emerge package": Yes, because typing in "apt-get" or "emerge" makes so much more sense to new users than double-clicking an icon that says "setup".

Linux zealots are far too forgiving when judging the difficultly of Linux configuration issues and far too harsh when judging the difficulty of Windows configuration issues. Example comments:

User: "How do I get Quake 3 to run in Linux?"
Zealot: "Oh that's easy! If you have Redhat, you have to download quake_3_rh_8_i686_010203_glibc.bin, then do chmod +x on the file. Then you have to su to root, make sure you type export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 but ONLY if you have that latest libc6 installed. If you don't, don't set that environment variable or the installer will dump core. Before you run the installer, make sure you have the GL drivers for X installed. Get them at [some obscure web address], chmod +x the binary, then run it, but make sure you have at least 10MB free in /tmp or the installer will dump core. After the installer is done, edit /etc/X11/XF86Config and add a section called "GL" and put "driver nv" in it. Make sure you have the latest version of X and Linux kernel 2.6 or else X will segfault when you start. OK, run the Quake 3 installer and make sure you set the proper group and setuid permissions on quake3.bin. If you want sound, look here [link to another obscure web site], which is a short HOWTO on how to get sound in Quake 3. That's all there is to it!"

User: "How do I get Quake 3 to run in Windows?"
Zealot: "Oh God, I had to install Quake 3 in Windoze for some lamer friend of mine! God, what a fucking mess! I put in the CD and it took about 3 minutes to copy everything, and then I had to reboot the fucking computer! Jesus Christ! What a retarded operating system!"

So, I guess the point I'm trying to make is that what seems easy and natural to Linux geeks is definitely not what regular people consider easy and natural. Hence, the preference towards Windows.

Re:It's called CAN (2, Insightful)

l4m3z0r (799504) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151447)

Linux is *not* user friendly, and until it is linux will stay with >1% marketshare

Whew thats a relief, better keep it the way it is, don't want it to drop to 1%...

Rioters unite (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11151284)

I am a professional anti-globalist demonstrator. I am dead drunk right now and I've got something to confess.

There are two police departments that I and people like me fear. We fear the riot police in Berlin and those of the Miami PD.

All other PDs are just pussies. Even the "fearsome" NYPD.

Just wait until the script kiddies get going... (4, Funny)

LBArrettAnderson (655246) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151285)

"Wait... This can't be right... bad weather... everywhere!?"

Re:Just wait until the script kiddies get going... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11151321)

Cool. Now I can IM the idiot in the left lane in front of me and tell him to move his ass!

Re: Thats it! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11151617)

Better Now we can do file sharing with each other while on the road - now RIA, thats what I call a moving target!!

Sweet (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11151287)

Nothing can go wrong here. Is this the IT dork equivalent of the famous redneck "hey y'all, watch this"?

Net Worm uses Apache, PHP and Google to spread (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11151294)

Net worm uses Apache, PHP Firefox and Google to spread [com.com]

Quick - somebody think of a way to blame this on Microsoft!. And whatever you do, DONT post this on Slashdot!!

Re:Net Worm uses Apache, PHP and Google to spread (1)

Omega697 (586982) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151468)

You dumb shit - the article doesn't even mention Firefox. Take your stupid ass flame-baiting elsewhere.

Neat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11151296)

I wonder if voice communication is planned. . .
wait . . . thats a cell phone

Road Rage (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11151301)

Imagine the wonderful opportunities for those of us who participate in the fine art road rage!

P2P (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11151303)

Are the RIAA and MPAA going to sue automakers when P2P networks start popping up on the highways of Europe?

Great.. now my car... (5, Insightful)

farsideofthemoon (766786) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151306)

can get spam and porn too...

However ... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11151350)

... in Korea only old people use NOW ad-hoc Wifi ...

Re:Great.. now my car... (1)

sharkey (16670) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151554)

Ya gotta take the bad with the good, ya know.

As if Flipping the bird isn't enough. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11151308)

I can see it now. Road rage to new extremes. Kick ban people for tailgating.

This could be awesome... (4, Interesting)

bennomatic (691188) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151309)

Imagine if this technology were built into large parking lots, so you would know upon entering where the nearest parking place was that did not have a likely parker approaching ahead of you...

Re:This could be awesome... (1)

hobo2k (626482) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151462)

And given enough trust in the technology high speed lane merging would be very handy.

Re:This could be awesome... (4, Interesting)

leerpm (570963) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151634)

Other good uses:
  • Automatic warnings to all cars of accidents *the moment* it happens.. Think about how many lives could be saved if you could even warn oncoming cars a few seconds earlier.
  • Ability for travellers to self-police. If some guy is driving 60mph+ over the speed limit, likely you could have people report this driver.. Enough complaints and an officer will know where to respond.
  • Automatic 'fastest route' calculation based on traffic densities. No more guessing, you can just rely on computer algorithms using real-time information.

Obligatory Kit statement (5, Funny)

Jeffery (810339) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151310)

"Michael, there's a hooker two corners up on the right."

Re:Obligatory Kit* statement (1)

cosinezero (833532) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151408)

*K.I.T.T. Be more worried about the A-Team van...

My traffic problems solved... (5, Funny)

xstonedogx (814876) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151317)

A little spoofing and I should be able to convince all the people ahead of me and next to me that there's an accident up ahead and they should take an alternate route.

Cost (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11151320)

And how many thousands of dollars extra will they charge for it?

This has been around for years (4, Funny)

Nine Tenths of The W (829559) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151322)

It's called CB radio

Re:This has been around for years (3, Insightful)

lucabrasi999 (585141) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151429)

It's called CB radio

Ironically, it's about as useful as a CB radio.

Re:This has been around for years (1)

Beatbyte (163694) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151463)

Yes and plasma televisions have been around for years. Like in 1862 when Abbe Giovanna Caselli invented his "pantelegraph" and becomes the first person to transmit a still image over wires.

Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

about time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11151323)

people arnt qualified to drive cars

They dont see that the most important skill is timing! (of couse that assumes that you are paying attention to what you are doing in the first place!)

Cars and the IRC Model :: Later On... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11151324)

Now Entering... #401-West-Toronto on crc.ontario.ca
Welcome yup28! Please read the !rules
[p1geon] hey yup!
[yup28] !rules
[yup28] oh hey p1ge... just checking rules... brb2min
*** OPP1 sending you rules.txt: Read them carefully please, and you can help stay safe while driving.
[alsz847] Yes! I just got the lastest version of XP over C2C. Remember when we used to have to pay for it before MSC went under???
[geek-boy] Yeah? Where you headed now anyway?
[geek-boy] omg that was years ago als... you must be old
[speedy] WTF Cut me off asshole!!!!
* speedy slaps geek-boy with a large trout
[geek-boy] Sorry... I was lighting a smoke.
[angel-eyez2] heya boys...
[alsz847] it says this has some new features like a fenderwall and splat... wtf is a splat
[geek-boy] hey angel... you are looking spiffy today!! *whistle*
[angel-eyez2] pfft ya right that hair is so y2k... nice try tho studly studderson
[speedy] als: it's a bug remover... for your windows... except it cleans windshields too
[alsz847] Argh. I crashed.
[alsz847] Hold on guys.
[speedy] serves you right driving like you're on crack ffs j/k
[alsz847] Is there an admin in here???!?!?!?!
[alsz847] FUCK ME!!! AAAARGGGGH I"M ON FIRE!!!!! AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH IT HURTS!!!!
[geek-boy] you ok d00d??? omg!!!
[angel-eyez2] i'm near him... his car's on FIRE! 0mg he's cute!!!
[angel-eyez2] msging admin for him
*** OPP-J55 has entered #401-West-Toronto
[speedy] thank god, a cop when ya need one
[OPP-J55] What seems to be the problem?
[angel-eyez2] check my pos, OPP... I'm at the accident with alz
[yup28] hi is anyone here?

[[[* C2C: {car2car}]]]

Ok quick list of bads... (3, Funny)

JossiRossi (840900) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151325)

1. Viruses.
2. Malware forcing ads onto speedometer.
3. Hackers reversing the pedal controls.
and of course...
4. Car networks becoming sentient and attempting to destory humanity.

You missed three... (1)

bennomatic (691188) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151440)

5. UUCP (this sort of nonstatic network just screams for that protocol), and of course,
6. ???
7. Profit!

Re:Ok quick list of bads... (1)

Ironsides (739422) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151591)

Ummm... Why would they integrate this system into the same control system as the car? Also, #3 requies you to be a) drive by wire and b) have the two system connected in some way. #2 requires said speedometer being able to display adds in the first place. #4, you assume this isn't already happening?

Re:Ok quick list of bads... (1)

basic0 (182925) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151616)

Warning: Remote Procedure Call (RPC) Service terminated unexpectedly. Car restarting in 59...58...57...

Just wait until the adware... (1)

cosinezero (833532) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151327)

But hey, now you can run a jerk off the highway AND the 'superhighway' at the same time!

Get out of the left lane slowpoke (4, Funny)

bmongar (230600) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151328)

I think it would be great to be able to send messages to other drivers. I'd like some precanned ones like 'Get out of the left lane slowpoke', 'Try a turn signal', 'Off My Ass' just to name a few. I realize that this probably isn't what the article is about (of course I didn't read it) but that's what comes to mind when I think of a car to car network.

Re:Get out of the left lane slowpoke (1)

hajmola (82709) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151456)

A car that can wink, laugh, cry and get angry [nytimes.com]

sounds like you need what toyota may be implementing on future vehicles...

Re:Get out of the left lane slowpoke (1)

Mysticalfruit (533341) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151479)

Well, with the appropiate appliaction of this NOW technology, the car would be smart enough to just move out of the way when you came up from behind.

Personally, I'd program my car to lie and tell all the other cars that they need to get off at the nearest exit because there's a huge traffic jam ahead. Or tell the other cars that the off ramp I want to take is closed and they should start computing alternative routes...

Re:Get out of the left lane slowpoke (3, Informative)

xstonedogx (814876) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151531)

I prefer a nice old-fashioned glowing middle finger coming up out of the trunk.

Oh, great. (2, Funny)

Mr. Bad Example (31092) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151330)

Now I'm going to start seeing "PWNX0R3D N00B" on my car stereo every time someone cuts me off...

have a little fun with it (1)

SKPhoton (683703) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151338)

I'd be waiting for someone to write something to send out bogus information.

"[insert your favorite road] is blocked due to a 20 car pile-up. Try a different route."
At the same time, you drive though with mysteriously light traffic.

Re:have a little fun with it (1)

djxploit (748198) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151596)

exactly what i was thinking dam everyday to work the biggest traffic jam of all time exactly on my route to work - AND everywhere i go :) make all the traffic becomne,... ermm not traffic :\

Great... (5, Funny)

Zorilla (791636) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151341)

First, they're going to install communication systems on all cars, then I'm going to lose all my points on my cab-driving license after the car phones home during an accident, then they're going to ask me to save the universe.

...Multipass!

Re:Great... (1)

imac.usr (58845) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151651)

Dude, what are you complaining about? You get to make out with the Supreme Being!

(And no, not the one from Time Bandits, nyuk-nyuk-nyuk)

If I'm understanding this, then... (1)

gandell (827178) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151342)

Cars connect to a network, and then to each other? So virtually unlimited range? Does this mean one could use the system as a virtual chat with that annoying guy on the freeway who's in the carpool lane by his lonesome during rush hour?

Re:If I'm understanding this, then... (2, Insightful)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151590)

Actually I hate to say it but I can see some privacy concerns. Some of the benefits could be the networking of cars to provide a great moving mesh allowing Internet access to all the cars. Great for things like sending weather radar to the car, recording traffic congestion on the road, finding the cheapest gas, or hotel, or a restaurant that you would want to stop at. It could also summon help for you if your airbag goes off. Track your car if it is stolen. The downside is it could report speeding and auto ticket you. It is at best a double edged sword. I can tell you that when I was evacuating from Hurricane Frances it would have been real helpful to have some of that data.

How easy would it be to distrupt? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11151347)

Based on 802.11 and IPv6 might be good for ease of implementation but how long will it be before someone trys to spread spurious reports with a normal laptop?

More distraction is all we need (4, Interesting)

Salo2112 (628590) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151352)

Great. As if cell phones are not a big enough distraction, now we'll have to contend with drivers downloading mp3s, rolling game rooms and drive-by hackings.

Can we talk to other cars? VOIP? (1)

MandoSKippy (708601) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151353)

Maybe instead of using of misunderstood hand signals, we could type or talk to others. This coudl reduce road rage! This will fix every problem on the road today!!!

Or we'll just find that the middle digit really means F$#@ you.

Protocol (5, Funny)

clone22 (252516) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151355)

<breaker> <goodBuddy> <smokey> <milemarker>126</milemarker> </smokey></goodBuddy> </breaker>

Electronic car2car comm. is an important advance. (2, Funny)

JohnnyDanger (680986) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151358)

Hurling profanities out the window was starting to strain my vocal cords.

Network on legs? (1)

fccoelho (818860) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151361)

What we need is a network on legs as I point out here: http://slashdot.org/~fccoelho/journal/ [slashdot.org] And, As a bonus, we would have a network that would not be controlled by corparations but by people!

look to the future (4, Insightful)

cakefool (801210) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151364)

Looking past the uses in TFA, one good though far off possibility is to have cars all travelling to the same route "train up" real close to each other - one lead car makes the decisions, cars can peel in and out as their route dictates etc. For long journeys, rotate the front duty, just as you see olympic cycle teams do. The long chain of cars uses less fuel than the same number of independant cars, and behaves only slightly more complex than one car.

Obviously this is in the self drive car realm of probabilities, but hey, we might as well try.

Oh yeah, "imagine an ad hoc network of these" jokes coming soon

Re:look to the future (5, Funny)

Mr. Bad Example (31092) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151461)

> Oh yeah, "imagine an ad hoc network of these" jokes coming soon

I believe you mean "Imagine a BMW cluster of these".

"imagine an ad hoc network of these" jokes (1)

canfirman (697952) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151478)

Oh yeah, "imagine an ad hoc network of these" jokes coming soon

Actually, I'm expecting the "imagine a beowulf cluster of these" jokes.

this is possible now (2, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151610)

the only thing holding it back is liability.

Re:look to the future (1)

Ironsides (739422) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151641)

one good though far off possibility is to have cars all travelling to the same route "train up" real close to each other

The blue angels have a trick where they all get real close to each other and follow the leader. Then they buz the ground REAL CLOSE. One time the leader came in a bit too low and we lost five very good pilots. Imagine what would happen here with cars if one goes off the road/cliff. I can just see the headlines now. "500 Car pileup, NO SURVIVORS". Yes, trafic is that bad in the Washington D.C. area.

c2c (1)

fracai (796392) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151365)

great, now also they'll get me for a moving violation when I'm using bittorrent

Sorry to be cynical... (1)

mithridate (630803) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151366)

but why would I want my car to be wireless enabled. It's scary to even begin to think about the hacking potential. I would have to be very convinced that the wireless system was completely seperate from the essential elements required to operate the vehicle safely before I even considered using this.

In addition to this issue, there is enormous potential for abuse if just anybody is allowed to report this kind of information.

p2p (1)

wizardNinja (835459) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151367)

Can anyone say P2P on wheels???

Sweet... (1)

spac3manspiff (839454) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151373)

Now geeks can pick up girls by hacking their cars!
Well we may not pick them up, but we can hack their cars!

Finally. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11151375)

I've wanted to see this for years. And the reason for such a network is simple. So cars can trade their audio collections as they drive down the highway.

Let's clear a path... (2, Funny)

neurocutie (677249) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151376)

I can see it now...

Carol: I just hate driving down to your 'rents for Xmas, honey. The traffic on 95 is horrible, particularly at the Delaware Bridge...

Bob: I've got an idea... an hour before we leave, I'll just hack in a traffic report of a huge accident so that cars will re-route. It will be clear sailing for us!

Carole: Oh, Bob... You're such a hot stud. I'm so glad I married Geek...

Re:Let's clear a path... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11151525)


Carol is such a slut.

Re:Let's clear a path... (1)

Azrel666 (842460) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151592)

Says the Anonymous Coward...

Re:Let's clear a path... (3, Funny)

AnalogDiehard (199128) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151584)

  • Carol: I just hate driving down to your 'rents for Xmas, honey. The traffic on 95 is horrible, particularly at the Delaware Bridge...

    Bob: I've got an idea... an hour before we leave, I'll just hack in a traffic report of a huge accident so that cars will re-route. It will be clear sailing for us!

    Carole: Oh, Bob... You're such a hot stud. I'm so glad I married Geek...

Carol: Carole? Who's Carole? Married? You told me you were single you CREEP!

A benefit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11151381)

Do you really think that this would be beneficial? People posting false information to direct traffic as well as another gadget to distract drivers, is this really needed? I think they should work on automated driving before they try and throw more distractions into the mix.

The point is.... (0)

lucabrasi999 (585141) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151389)

Maybe I am just being a bit to cynical, but this will help me in what way?

My car will be able to tell me that there is a traffic jam two miles ahead? Usually, that warning is way too late to do me any good.

Or, my car could tell me that the road is icy? Well, I could just stick my hand out the window and discover that it is cold.

Wake me up when there's a real benefit. In the meantime, I must remind myself that this comes from the same country (Germany, for the most part) where they invented a computer screen -- "I-Drive" -- inside BMW's. Nothing like fiddling with a computer screen while my car is flying down the road at 80 miles per hour.

Re:The point is.... (2, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151579)

it could tell you about it when you get into your car.
You start the car and it says "I5/405 interchange is blocked, would you like me to map another route?".

or your lost and you could pull over and bring up mapquest.

or it detects that vehcals in front of you(say 30 - 40 cars in front of you) have started decerating at an alarming rate, and it pops of a warning light.

Only your imagination will limit the options...and science.

this give a whole new meaning to.... (1)

caino59 (313096) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151391)

war driviging....

wonder what the access will be to the end-user (car owner) is it going to be a closed spec thing? or nice and open, allowing internet access, etc...

(i'd rtfa, but its kaput)

Wardriving (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11151399)

Takes wardriving to a whole different level.

Security (1)

dannyelfman (717583) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151406)

Cool! But what about security?

Of course it would be handy to know if there were a speed trap down the road :-)

Re:Security (1)

bennomatic (691188) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151506)

Of course, the local constabulary could make speedtrap "spam". If the perception of a speed trap is enough to make people slow down, then putting up some sort of network entity to warn about a cop ahead would be less expensive than actually posting a cop there, and maybe just as effective.

Communicating icy roads said to be first (2, Insightful)

enoraM (749327) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151409)

Most promising impact is said to be achieved by communicating Anti-lock braking system information between cars. Complexity is minimal regarding the information to be processed, as well as how to display warnings:
Put on a warning light and a beep, when roads get icy.

Re:Communicating icy roads said to be first (1)

cosinezero (833532) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151465)

*BING* "This icy patch sponsored by Michelin Goodyear... For when you're carrying the very best, drive our all-weather radials..."

No kidding. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11151419)

This is the most obvious possible use for car-to-car networking, the one that first occurs to absolutely everyone, and it's taken until the tail end of 2004 for manufacturers to start on it? Come on! Let's see some innovative technologies! Ride recommender systems, supplemental navigation based on cars' aggregate observed quality of road surfaces, collaborative radio -- anything but "Duh, we'll use it to make traffic flow better." XM and Acura already did that. Try something interesting.

CUM (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11151441)

Di]m. Due t0 the [goat.cx]

A great opportunity for P2P (1)

b1t r0t (216468) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151444)

Just imagine the BitTorrent bandwidth of a traffic jam!

MANET? (1)

Hiroto. S (631919) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151466)

Is this an implementation of Mobile Ad-hoc Networks (manet)? An IETF working group [navy.mil] has been around for a while. If I remember correctly, original motivation of the group was to create dynamic routing technology for the battle field communication.

BWAHAHAHAHAHa (1)

ocularDeathRay (760450) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151472)

so many more ways to communicate road rage now. I won't have to roll down the window when its cold anymore.

h3y a55 U cut m3 0ff.
I 4m g0nn4 kill y0u.

Why not infrared instead of radio? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11151475)

Seems like infrared would pollute the airwaves less than radio. More line of sight, works in fog, cheaper. Subject to less interference.

worm crossing ahead .. too late (1)

tota (139982) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151480)

Or how to crash a computer and a car all at once.

forAll cars in [vicinity]

if (car.os.name like '%indows%')

RPC(exploit, crash)

Where "RPC" is your default weather file format buffer overflow.

Imagine... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11151485)

...the unmoving beowulf cluster on the 101 north could host an infinite number of unslashdottable websites.

NYC Busses (1)

ebrandsberg (75344) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151489)

From my apt, every time a bus goes by, it seems that there is a new signal that I detect. So it seems that someone is already doing this. I just noticed this today when I left my wireless sniffer online, and came back to find 40 different MAC's recorded. Either this or there is something REALLY strange going on.

The other strange part is that the signal strength I'm getting off of these MAC is enormously large. I'm in the same room as my access point, and I don't get a signal anywhere near as strong from it, and the busses are down three floors and out on the street. I have to wonder if they are even following FCC regs on signal strength, or if they have been "boosted" so they can do whatever they are being used for.

I've often wondered (1)

grahamsz (150076) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151493)

About doing peer-to-peer radar detectors. It'd be really nice to know if a car up ahead detected a radar signal instead of waiting until it's pointed at mine :)

Auto hive brain (1)

GrenDel Fuego (2558) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151495)

Every once in a while I see shows about the work being done on cars that drive themselves. They're always just 10 years or so off in the future.

If we ever do get to that point though, this networking would be very useful. Picture cars driving down the highway like a school of swimming fish. Something jumps into the road? The entire group of cars all move to the right all together.

I'd hate to be the guy in the "manual" style cars at the time though.

crashdot: instant karma (4, Funny)

schwaang (667808) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151497)

Finally we'll be able to mod other drivers properly:
-1, Crashbait
-1, Tailgater
-1, Ugly kid in rear-facing seat on long trip
+1, Thanks for actually using that turn signal thingy
+1, Hey hottie, can I get your phone number?

Almost there... (1)

Smilin (840286) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151501)

I've been waiting on this for years.

Imagine cars sharing the following telemetry:

Position based on next-gen GPS and other sources (sensed road reflectors, INS etc), Speed, proposed route (base on driver navigation input), other nearby vehicles (based on forward and rearward collision sensors), road conditions, traffic conditions, accidents (airbag deployments etc.).

If you get ALL the cars on a particular road or tollway to participate as nodes on such a network and get each node to be intelligent enough you could finally do automated driving. Nodes would have to cooperate to relay information, make group decisions and weed out malfunctioning nodes.

Imagine a row of cars: Car 1&2 transmit an airbag deployment, car 3 transmits a collision warning of stopped vehicles ahead of it, cars 3-10 simultaneously brake while the odd ones go left and the even ones go right. For miles in each direction the navigation information gets updated and everyone starts choosing alternate routes.

with Windows running the network, right? (1, Insightful)

ChipMonk (711367) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151503)

How long will it be until our cars are catching viruses, worms, and trojans?

And what guarantee do we have that said network will be isolated from the engine systems?

Perhaps I'm being paranoid. But they laughed at me when I said Microsoft's invisible hand was writing SCO's lawsuits. Who's laughing now?

speed traps... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11151504)

Hopefully it would give me some heads up on speed traps on the way to work.

About time (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151507)

now we can use cars as routers and repeaters.
ANother way to route internet traffic. SO next time there is a power outage, the signal can move from verhical ti vehical until it's out of the disaster area.

Awesome! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11151509)

"You have 1 new IM:

GuyBehindU: Hey, ASSHOLE! You cut me off!!!!!"

This is very sad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11151528)

Car #1:
Id: 39382730
Speed: 180MPH
Azimuth: 0 degrees
Pos: x: 546, y: 157

Car #2:
Id: 5937263
Speed: 180MPH
Azimuth: 180 degrees
Pos: x: 546, y: -242

Car #1: *Auto-Pilot Engaged*
*Swerve*
*Crash*

Car #2: Heh heh!

Car #3:
Id: 2389467
Speed: 150MPH
Azimuth: 90 degrees
Pos: x: -100, y: -454

Car #2:
Id: 5937263
Speed: 150MPH
Azimuth: 270 degrees
Pos: x: -200, y: -454

behavior (1)

araven (71003) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151547)

I've toyed with the idea of what it might be like if people driving could hear each other. People are certainly un-civil in face-to-face situations as well, but not nearly as un-civil as they are in quasi-anonymous settings like driving in dense traffic. If people could hear what others are saying to them when they're rude, maybe we'd be less rude. Most people who cut off other drivers or do other blatantly selfish (and stupid) things to "get ahead" in traffic, would never attempt the equivalent in person. For instance, in a grocery store line: if someone cut in, they'd be given to understand that their behavior was not ok.

Plus, I bet that if we could hear each other in cars, a lot of what we take for rudeness would just turn out to be stupidity or inattentiveness. I get a lot less angry at someone who screws up because they're stupid or weren't paying attention than I do at someone who intended to be a jerk. I bet that it would cut way down on so-called "road rage."

I did RTFA, but I think intra-car voice communications would be an interesting outgrowth to pursue.

~

Acura RL already has Traffic Navigation built in (2, Interesting)

zomper514 (235646) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151557)

While I have only seen commercials for the Acura RL [acura.com] it has the technology already built in. However the RL is getting the traffic information from those funny solar pannels on the sides of the road. It is actually pretty slick because the RL uses XM radio as the delivery method for the traffic information provided by Traffic.com [traffic.com] . This is already a multi-million dollar project funded by the US Government.

Finally it makes sense! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11151561)

Car-to-Car P2P. Now I can get my warez while driving to the grocery store.

delocalized internet access. (1)

aquabat (724032) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151566)

This would be a cool way to implement wireless internet access in remote areas. Imagine taking a cross-country road trip and letting the kids in the back seat surf the net by routing the packets from car to car, back to the nearest stationary access point. As long as there's a certain minimum amount of traffic, you'd pretty much always be connected, even out in the middle of Saskatchewan.

Great for traffic! (1)

AbbyNormal (216235) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151589)

Start broadcasting fake traffic news and take the less congested road instead.

Imagine the suprise of a driver, that there is a tornado down the road and its snowing behind them.

Just the link will do (1)

Zelet (515452) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151622)

Once there is a standard link in all cars it will allow a swarm like behavior in traffic. So instead of people taking the reigns in bumper to bumper traffic the cars and talk and decide amongst them selves what the best way to handle the situation. Each car will be interconnected to the others and as a cluster can decide how to best make traffic move.

This could also work as a sort of mass transit system on regular roads. If all cars can talk to each other they can notify the "train" that they are on the on-ramp looking to join in. Each car could be very close to the one in front and behind because there wouldn't be any surprises and sudden stops could be transmitted through the chain of cars.

If each car was equipped with such a system there would be more than enough computing power between all of them to manage the roads. They could even put in software that controls the traffic lights. When a large cluster of cars is approaching a light they can notify the light ahead and they can work out the optimal way to manage the stream of cars.

Big Deal. My '73 Van and my Buick have had this (1)

human bean (222811) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151627)

for some time. Used a wireless hub with remote antenna to move data from my laptop, which was onsite converting pics from a digital camera, to an HP printer located in the car trunk. It let me deliver print orders before I left the site. Sometimes, before I had even packed.

After I had no need of it, I installed this rig in the van, which was lent to one of my friend's teenaged game-mavins. He bought two PCMCIA wireless cards so he could shre with his friends. Apparently a drive-up game of CS is considered cool.

Granted, not as slick as designed-in...

Future of law enforcement (2, Interesting)

orb_fan (677056) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151642)

I can see it now - speed signs that get telemetry directly from the car and issues a ticket when you are going over the limit.

making the cars do the work! (1)

Legato895 (788993) | more than 9 years ago | (#11151652)

i was reading about something like this in popular science and was kinda suspicious of it, but reading this, i think that since the car's onboard computer (running windows) is whats calculating traffic conditions / weather / etc that it actually wouldn't be that bad. it would just be something that truly runs in the background that the driver doesn't need to deal with.

with this, gps and the ability to communicate with oncoming traffic lights, i really do think that this is an improvement. and as popsci said, our transportation grid will start acting in an efficient, biological manner
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