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Opera Browser Beta Adds Voice, More

CowboyNeal posted more than 9 years ago | from the got-a-new-attitude dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "According to an article at DesktopLinux.com, the first public beta of Opera 8 is available for free download. It adds voice input/output and a host of other niceties. Key new features include improved RSS handling, fit to window or paper width, a start-bar for easy access to the most commonly used functions, and automatic update checks. The beta release supports Windows only, but a general release is scheduled for early 2005. Opera and IBM have partnered on XHTML+Voice (X+V) technology for several years, co-announcing a Multimodal Browser and Toolkit early in 2003."

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Voice Output (4, Funny)

andreMA (643885) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175411)

So now we can hear the fat lady sing?

Re:Voice Output (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175414)

Who, Oprah?

Changed licence conditions (4, Informative)

ironfrost (674081) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175625)

They changed the licence conditions too for version 8. Instead of having to buy Opera for Windows and Linux, you now buy one licence for "Opera for desktop", which allows you to install it on as many computers as you like within your own home.

Fat lady sings a gem (1)

Lotharjade (750874) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175692)

Yes! The fat lady has sung and OPERA kicks all the other browsers ass!

As usual other browsers are just playing catch up!

And the countdown begins (5, Funny)

vcv (526771) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175416)

T minus 3 posts until Firefox is mentioned. T minus 5 posts until Opera not being free is mentioned T minus 10 posts until someone calls Opera bloated. Anyone want in on a pool?

Re:And the countdown begins (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175462)

T minus 3 posts until Firefox is mentioned. Uhm, didn't you just mention firefox? So, you were wrong! What do I win? Oh nothing? Damn.

Re:And the countdown begins (-1, Redundant)

tarunthegreat2 (761545) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175471)

You forgot to mention how long before somebody posts an overused meme, and a goatse link

...In Soviet Russia, Opera Browses YOU!

1. Release Opera version 8.0, and charge for it.
2. ???
3. Profit!!

All your potential-Opera-customer are belong to Firefox!

Somebody set up us some antitrust legislation!

Re:And the countdown begins (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175477)

GAHH! But why pay when theyre are viable FREE alternatives? Besides, FIREFOX isn'tnearly as bloated! a LOT less bloated!



[karma whoring over ... appropriately posted anonymously]

Re:And the countdown begins (1)

littlem (807099) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175509)

T minus 5 posts until Opera not being free is mentioned

Gee I'm really sorry if that's something I think is worth banging on about.

Noone's going to stop /.ers moaning about non-free software. Opera could solve the problem immediately by modernizing its licence.

Wrong - Only 1 post (0, Troll)

Agret (752467) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175527)

Guys Firefox is heaps better beacuse Opera is not free and is bloated.

Wait, didn't you . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175560)

Just mention all those things. ^N^N^N^N^N^N^N^N^N^N

Yeah. Let's start a pool.

Re:And the countdown begins (1)

eclectro (227083) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175653)


T minus 1 post until some misconfigured HTML shows up in your Internet Explorer and you are Own3d.

The new beta is awesome. (5, Interesting)

beeswax (65749) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175419)

I think everyone here that likes firefox should give the Opera beta a try. I've used it since yesterday and it's a top quality piece of software in my opinion.

Firefox might be better than IE, but Opera is much nicer, faster than firefox.

Re:The new beta is awesome. (1)

Harry's Dad (843190) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175426)

I am on a client site today and only on 56k dial up so am not going to download it - I may give it a try when I get home - one thing though - I have read the article - does it still display those annoying ads? I quite liked the actual browser last time I tried it - but the adds made me quickly revert back to firefox.

Re:The new beta is awesome. (2, Informative)

beeswax (65749) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175435)

The free version does have ads. (2 choices of how they are displayed I believe)

The browser is worth the 39 dollars in my opinion.

Re:The new beta is awesome. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175457)

Paying money for web browsers is so 1990s.

Re:The new beta is awesome. (1, Interesting)

BladeMelbourne (518866) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175492)

The internet is information, and information should be free IMHO. No browser is worth $39, especially a closed source one.

The features may be different than those in the Mozilla Suite, but I have only ever needed to use 4 extensions ever. I only use one on a daily basis. I have all the functionality I need and want.

I have a couple of 19" LCD screens (1280x1024) - I wouldn't want any screen real estate occupied by image adverts.

As for voice commands - I cant see that being usable at my work. We have open partitions, four people to a partition.

Although if it helps people with disabilities, it can only be a good thing.

Although Homer asking his computer/browser to kill Flanders might be a bit extreme...

Re:The new beta is awesome. (1)

vcv (526771) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175502)

What does the license model have ANYTHING to do with whether or not it's worth the cost? $40 is more than fair for something most people (especially slashdot readers) use probably every day. I would gladly donate $40 to firefox if I used it often.

Re:The new beta is awesome. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175546)

$40 is more than fair for something most people (especially slashdot readers) use probably every day.

Why are you trying to justify a $40 price? Software wants to be free! There's people starving in the world today who could use that money. Well-off Scandinavian programmers don't need the money.

Re:The new beta is awesome. (1)

vcv (526771) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175570)

But not all software CAN be. Free software is great, but doesn't mean it's always better.

Re:The new beta is awesome. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175592)

Agreed.

And Opera is not always (read: not often) better, especially compared to free alternatives. Paying for Opera is promoting blackmail.

Re:The new beta is awesome. (1)

vcv (526771) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175600)

Extortion of money or something else of value from a person by the threat of exposing a criminal act or discreditable information.

Yeah.. sure sounds like blackmail to me. Glad to see you're up to par on the defintion of simple words.

Re:The new beta is awesome. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175608)

Pay us $39 or view advertisements every minute whilst you browse.

extortion:
2. Illegal use of one's official position or powers to obtain property, funds, or patronage.
3. An excessive or exorbitant charge.

extort:
1. To obtain from another by coercion or intimidation.

I hope a member of your family purchases you a dictionary for Christmas.

Re:The new beta is awesome. (1)

vcv (526771) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175614)

Look at the definition for blackmail. It's using extortion to get money either exposing something you did wrong, or threatening to spread misinformation.

Opera does neither. Do you get it yet?

Re:The new beta is awesome. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175626)

Pay us $39 or view advertisements every minute whilst you browse.

That is extortion.

Game over vcv.

Re:The new beta is awesome. (1)

vcv (526771) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175648)

Pay us $39 or view advertisements every minute whilst you browse.

That is extortion.

Game over vcv.


While technically correct, this has to be the most retarded statement on /. in a while.

Maybe it is extortion, in a twisted sense of the defintion, but it is NOT blackmail as was originally argued.

Re:The new beta is awesome. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175666)

If you want to read retarded Slashdot comments, may I direct you to:
http://slashdot.org/~vcv [slashdot.org]


I can only imagine the shame that guy's parents feel.

Re:The new beta is awesome. (1)

vcv (526771) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175682)

And thus is the graceful concession from the Anonymous Coward. Thank you for trying, but you have failed.

Re:The new beta is awesome. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175641)

Pay us $39 or view advertisements every minute whilst you browse.

That is extortion.

Re:The new beta is awesome. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175621)

blackmail:
1. Extortion of money or something else of value from a person by the threat of exposing a criminal act or discreditable information.
2. Something of value extorted.

Funny how you selectively display the definition that is irrelevant.

Re:The new beta is awesome. (1)

vcv (526771) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175630)

It's funny how you conveniently left out the second part of the second definition:

Something of value extorted in this manner.

'this' being the first definition.

Re:The new beta is awesome. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175646)

Does the same thing apply to Slashdot as well? Like Opera, they put ads on your screen unless you're a subscriber.

Re:The new beta is awesome. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175660)

That's what a hosts file is for.

Or browsers like Mozilla can block the advertisements for you.

Re:The new beta is awesome. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175675)

There's no such thing as free lunch, economics 101. The fact that you didn't pay a single $ for the software you use doesn't mean it didn't cost money to develop. Someone has to pay for that, either the developers have another job, or they get paid to develop free software.

Some software cannot be developed with the open source business model, it doesn't work. I'm sure the Opera guys would love to release their software as OSS if they could make money another day. Other niche products won't be OSS any time soon, e.g. Softimage|XSI, Maya, etc. And no, Bender doesn't even come close to them. When will some people understand that not all software has to be free? I don't care what Stallman says, it's not true.

--
HawkinsOS [hawkinsos.com] , kicking Smorgrav in the ass since 2004.

Re:The new beta is awesome. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175548)

No browser is worth $39,

Think about this. Many people will agree with this statement by itself.

especially a closed source one.

Now think about this. Many people (especially Slashdot users) would rather donate $40 to a browser that gives to the community. Opera is only thinking about the bottom line.

Opera having advertisements in their free version is a form of blackmail. "Pay us for a license or look at advertisements every minute whilst you browse." No thank you.

Re:The new beta is awesome. (1)

ColdGrits (204506) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175638)

" The internet is information, and information should be free IMHO."

The information IS free, though.

Even with Opera, the information does not cost you anything.

So what's the problem?

Oh, wait. You didn't mean the information shoudl be free, you meant that the means of displaying and viewing it should ALSO be free. I see. So tell me, how much does your computer and your internet connection cost? They are free, right? No? Interesting...

BTW, you do know there is a FREE version of Opera, don't you?

Re:The new beta is awesome. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175652)

I dont pay for internet access. My employer does.

I dont pay to display information. Mozilla is free.

I dont pay for the computer. My employer does. My home PC I bought six years ago. P3 450 MHz and 640 MB of RAM is enough for my home usage.

I'm sure as hell not going to pay for an inferior way to display that information.

The "free" version of Opera displays advertisements. Why pay for it when there are better ways to achieve the same for free?

Re:The new beta is awesome. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175663)

with that kind of low speck pc you are a fool not using Opera. Opera has the smallest memory foot print, and is the fastest browser.
espes. in the new version 8.0 / 7.6 !

Re:The new beta is awesome. (4, Insightful)

DigitumDei (578031) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175461)

I hadn't even looked at Opera because of the slashdot crowd screaming about the "Oh So Annoying" ads. Then, due to the fact that I wanted to test my web site with opera, I downloaded the free version. You have a choice to display this ultra thin text ad at the top of the browser that really does not seem to get in the way of anything other than maybe a few buttons that could be there.

The browser itself is really nice, and the tiny advert does VERY LITTLE to detract from this. Why oh why is this such a huge issue?

Re:The new beta is awesome. (3, Insightful)

ender81b (520454) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175489)

Because it's not firefox and GOD FORBID you'd have to like pay money for software. Not to mention that nearly every single feature that makes firefox what it is (tabbed browsing, pop-up blocking, mouse gestures, lightweight interface) was pioneered by Opera first.

Sad but true. Not that there is anything wrong with either (I use firefox on linux boxes, opera on windows, and safari on mac) but most of the /. crowd has a mentality that we have to dismiss Opera even though most, if not all, of the revolutionary features of webrowsing were pioneered by opera first.

Re:The new beta is awesome. (3, Informative)

Twinbee (767046) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175513)

Exactly, and you can even 'move' the advert so that it appears similar to the way it was in Opera 7.2 (i.e. at the top right). Simply select View > Toolbars > Main bar, and viola (see a PNG shot here [skytopia.com] ). That screenshot is from 7.5, but I assume you can do the same with 8.

One of things I love about Opera is how configurable its interface is. For example, Explorer could learn a thing or two from the way Opera allows buttons to be easily dropped onto toolbars.

Plus the email client (M2) rules.

Re:The new beta is awesome. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175437)

I think everyone here that likes firefox should give the Opera beta a try.

No. Firefox kicks Opera's ass. I might try it if they open source the code or if they give it away free without the spyware. Until that point, Opera is irrelevant.

Re:The new beta is awesome. (1)

beeswax (65749) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175446)

I've never had spyware included with Opera... Quit with the stupid propaganda.

Get Opera got to Slashdot.org by voice.. (5, Funny)

Orm (23588) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175423)

Start Opera, and start saying:
"double-u, double-u, double-u, dot, slashdot, no.. wait... backspace, backspace, slashDOT, nooo, backspace, backspace, SLASHDOT!! NOOO, ARGHHH"

Thanks to fatboy slim - I already know :) (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175591)

Guess what happened when I had this song [video-c.co.uk] playing loud and accidentally flipped the IBM Via Voice :)

Sadly I already moderated on this discussion - AC

Major Version Upgrade Again (1, Interesting)

Nurgled (63197) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175430)

I only upgraded from the end of major version six to seven a week or so ago, and they're getting ready for version eight already. I guess I'm destined to be one major version behind everyone else forever.

I get a bit tired of paying again just to get a browser that crashes less. Really, they should roll back bugfixes (but not new features) into older versions; I don't use any of the new features of Opera 7, and only upgraded because of several crashing bugs in Opera 6 that were driving me mad. (both the image loader and the XML parser seemed to have serious problems with large documents, and I'm suspicious that there is a buffer overflow there somewhere.)

Re:Major Version Upgrade Again (3, Informative)

kilogram (520192) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175442)

I get a bit tired of paying again just to get a browser that crashes less.

Actually, this update is free for paying Opera 7 customers, and the final version will be too. See this article [programmer.no] .

Re:Major Version Upgrade Again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175522)

Its also worth noting that there hasnt been a major version upgrade for 2 years now so the grandparent really was behind the times!

Re:Major Version Upgrade Again (1)

zxSpectrum (129457) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175568)

As already said, you won't have to pay for Opera 8. Not only that, the License has become less restrictive, so that one license is valid for any number of installations. Which means you can install Opera on any number of computers in your home. See an announcement from an Opera employee [opera.com]

Re:Major Version Upgrade Again (1)

chandip (751271) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175589)

... the XML parser seemed to have serious problems with large documents ..

I find this too. Though it does seem a lot better parser than IE, which tends to ignore malformed XML. Not much use if you are trying to debug XML streams

Link says Opera 7.54u1 (5, Informative)

Alien Venom (634222) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175434)

Linked page says Opera 7.54u1.

Opera 8.00 Beta 1 - ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/win/800b1/en/std/ow3 2enen800b1.exe [opera.com]
Opera 8.00 Beta 1 w/o Java - ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/win/800b1/en/std/ow3 2enen800b1.exe [opera.com]

They should fix things instead of adding crap. (5, Insightful)

elfarto (650512) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175439)

Who cares about the voice thing ?? How many of the readers will care to actually speak to their browser, imagine a office full of people all talking to their browsers.. that's simply stupid.
I think that Opera people should care most about fixing things in it's browser instead of adding features that nobody (95%) will use.
Like M2, it simply sucks with IMAP, i was using it till i tried Thunderbird, did the switch about 5 minutes of starting it up for the first time.
The opera forums are full with complaints, why don't Opera listen to them, i'd do so before my userbase flies right into the open (and free) arms of Firefox.

Re:They should fix things instead of adding crap. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175450)

it will make it much harder to take a sneeky look at those naked teen websites you like.. shouts at laptop "no... you fcuking dumb browser i said nakedteen images not ruptured spleen... christ"

Re:They should fix things instead of adding crap. (5, Funny)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175465)

Bookmarks, down, down, down, up, down ,up ,down, up, down, yes,yes,yes.

Re:They should fix things instead of adding crap. (1)

omnifrog (93180) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175685)

up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, Select, Start

Re:They should fix things instead of adding crap. (1)

MoonFog (586818) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175498)

Have you ever heard about accessibility? I imagine there are a lot of people out there who would actually make GOOD use of this, simply because they are physically unable to use a keyboard.

Re:They should fix things instead of adding crap. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175510)

> why don't Opera listen to them, i'd do so before my userbase
> flies right into the open (and free) arms of Firefox

Because they don't need to, they already have people's money. The disadvantage with commercial software is you pay your money, and all incentive to improve a product for the developers goes out the window.

F/OSS on the other hand, has developers who only wish to do a job right. When it's done right, they are happy, and will always be working towards that goal.

I notice this version of Opera is once again a little slower than the last. How long can this keep up?

Re:They should fix things instead of adding crap. (1)

vcv (526771) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175581)

Actually this version is faster for most people that have tried it. Same thing happens on firefox. It's simply the nature of software. And no incentive to improve? You apparently haven't paid attention at all to Opera's improvements recently, and in the past. The bullshit about Opera not caring about anything but making money and resulting in a worse browser.. it's tired and old. It's bullshit. They are a business, but a successful business that listens to their customers and keeps putting out a great product. What is so wrong with this? If you're not willing to pay, fine, use Firefox. But I'll be quite content using what I believe to be a superior product.

Actually this could be a good business decision (3, Interesting)

jesterzog (189797) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175574)

I think that Opera people should care most about fixing things in it's browser instead of adding features that nobody (95%) will use.

I think Opera Software should care about staying in business before it thinks about what most people will or won't use. In all fairness, Opera doesn't have 95% of the browser market to begin with. It never has, and it's extremely unlikely that it ever will.

Opera (the desktop browser, at least), has primarily been a browser of choice for niche groups of users. 5% is a niche market, and much less than 5% can easily be a niche market. If Opera happens to be the only browser that satisfactorily offers what those 5% or less happen to require, it'll be succesful enough to keep the business going.

Opera is now competing with Firefox, Konqueror (although not in Windows), and a host of others. Many of these new alternatives provide the satisfactory alternative to MSIE that Opera used to dominate in providing. Consequently, that market is diminishing, and it's probably not as viable any more because so many potential users can use something besides Opera. If Opera is to compete and survive, it's a sensible business decision to look for more points of difference to open new niche markets that aren't yet well catered for.

You might not personally like the way Opera's going, but chances are that you have plenty of alternative options anyway. Meanwhile, if you have a need for effective voice operation of a web browser as a particular group of people do, Opera might well be your first choice if they can pull it off.

Re:They should fix things instead of adding crap. (1)

Reemi (142518) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175616)


Please don't forget that Opera is clearly having its focus on the embedded market.


Voice input will be a killer feature. I'd love to get a mobile phone where I can say the url I'd like to see. Typing an url on a mobile is not fun.


Reemi

This is good for Firefox (2, Interesting)

mralert (837483) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175445)

Since Opera is a strong competitor to Firefox in the "power user"-niche, this new release will probably spur competition in the features-arena again. Now both browsers have good RSS-support, and so on. This will in turn further broaden the feature- gap between Firefox and Internet Explorer. The MSIE will have a hard time catching up. I believe 2005 will be an pretty interesting browser year :-)

Output? (5, Funny)

Cantide (743407) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175463)

It adds voice input/output

I can't let you go to that URL, Dave.

I know you and Frank were planning to change to Firefox, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen.

Et Cetera...

Face it (1, Informative)

vcv (526771) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175466)

Opera is the most innovative browser on the market, bar none. This is fact, whether people like it or not. Firefox would be not where it is today without Opera. Why I like Opera better: - Gestures are implemented better, more customizable, and can be used across the WHOLE browser app and not just the browser window. - Tabbed browsing is better, more natural. - Rewind and fast forward - The way Opera handles cache on windows, by cache'ing the GDI objects instead of just the page data. - The start bar - Better and easier customization - Smooth image zoom - Simply faster - Sessions and reloading all my pages after a crash. - MSR/Fit to width/SSR - The option to have the progress bar pop up at the bottom of the window and hide when it's done. - Wand, it's simply better. - Author/user modes - All images/cached images/no images toggle - Native windows skin. With OpusOS, it's great. - Paste and Go - That a page is actually a window and I can break it off from the main window if I want. - Trashcan that keeps track of closed pages. - Reload every - Hotclick And all the little details that aren't features. Firefox simply can't provide all this, even with extensions. And if there were an extension for each thing.. it would use a lot of resources, be slower, and they would not work as well together.

Re:Face it (5, Interesting)

vcv (526771) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175483)

Better formatting: Opera is the most innovative browser on the market, bar none. This is fact, whether people like it or not. Firefox would be not where it is today without Opera.

Why I like Opera better:
- Gestures are implemented better, more customizable, and can be used across the WHOLE browser app and not just the browser window.
- Tabbed browsing is better, more natural.
- Rewind and fast forward
- The way Opera handles cache on windows, by cache'ing the GDI objects instead of just the page data.
- The start bar
- Better and easier customization
- Smooth image zoom
- Simply faster
- Sessions and reloading all my pages after a crash.
- MSR/Fit to width/SSR
- The option to have the progress bar pop up at the bottom of the window and hide when it's done.
- Wand, it's simply better.
- Author/user modes
- All images/cached images/no images toggle
- Native windows skin. With OpusOS, it's great.
- Paste and Go
- That a page is actually a window and I can break it off from the main window if I want.
- Trashcan that keeps track of closed pages.
- Reload every
- Hotclick

And all the little details that aren't features. Firefox simply can't provide all this, even with extensions. And if there were an extension for each thing.. it would use a lot of resources, be slower, and they would not work as well together.

Re:Face it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175499)

Opera is the most innovative browser on the market, bar none. This is fact, whether people like it or not. Firefox would be not where it is today without Opera.

Yeah, you keep telling yourself that. When Longhorn comes out and it's just a battle of XUL and XAML, ActiveX/.Net and Firefox extensions, you'll see your poor web browser be left behind. Opera fanboys need to understand it's a Micro$oft versus open source (Mozilla, Linux, etc.) battle on the web. Opera is absolutely inconsequential.

Re:Face it (1)

vcv (526771) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175519)

Guess what? That's at LEAST 2 years down the road. Not to mention, it will take even more time for XAML to become used heavily. Big things like that take time to be adopted. And do you REALLY thing that things will move over from HTML/XML/XHTML that fast to XAML vs. XUL? Please. I'm guessing somewhere around 5 years at least before this is really an issue. The fact is, Opera has been the most innovative browser over the past 10 years, and the browser wars are better because of it.

More importantly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175520)

It is slow as hell.

I really couldn't care less about all the fancy-schmancy extensions, I just want to be able to view web pages without waiting two minutes just to be able to type in the address.

Re:More importantly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175669)

er....what? For me, the speed is fine - slightly faster than Firefox, in fact.

Re:Face it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175536)

Good, it's got all those nice features.

Now when it can come anywhere near the speed of most other browsers for simple things like clicking on a hyperlink and getting a page to load, I'll consider it again.

Opera is the overdone cellphone of the browser world. Color screen, lit buttons, camera, pda, net access and polyphonic ringtones... but it's a pain in the ass to actually use as a phone.

Re:Face it (1)

vcv (526771) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175585)

It is the fastest browser of any I've used. It is faster for many many other people. Please, spare me your slow arguments, it holds no water. Opera and Firefox are both best, and they simply differ on different systems.

Re:Face it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175624)

But it's slower than firefox, IE and mozilla.

I'm not arguing that it's slower, simply stating fact.

Talking Browsers (2, Interesting)

pawnIII (821440) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175467)

Well, this is a good idea for the blind. Though, I wonder if images will be rendered into soundwaves? For the rest of us, I much rather just type on a keyboard and read text on the screen, then having my computer screaming every word on a particular page.

I just wonder how well the voice recognition software has become, to actually have a voice-to-website a viable solution. Considering the last time I tried using voice recognition was back '96 on an old Acer I had. Basically, you had to program every command that you wanted the computer to recognize. On top of that, you basically had to scream into the mic for the computer to pick up the sound.

Re:Talking Browsers (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175567)

Why oh why did I just imagine the goatse image being described by Isaac Hayes or Barry white?

[deep voice]"theres a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig hole"[/deep voice]

Re:Talking Browsers (1)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175597)

>Though, I wonder if images will be rendered into soundwaves?

Yes actually, they already released a technology demo. Have a look at it here [slackcrew.com] [Flash, NSFW, Sound]

Here's why you dont want to enable it .. (0, Troll)

Kalroth (696782) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175469)

User: Take me to www.slashdot.org!

* Opera acknowledges the request and types www.goatse.cx *

Gmail Support (5, Informative)

vikramrn (832734) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175474)

From the Changelog

Support for XMLHttpRequest; Gmail Web mail is fully supported.

Now that should get the attention of slashdotters :)

Voice Output? (3, Funny)

bfandreas (603438) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175508)

Ummm. Do they plan to have voice output in that thing?
If so I think I'm terribly afraid. Just imagine what happens if your browser gets hijacked by less savoury sites.

HOT XXX PRETEEN SLUTS is bad enough as a pop-up.
And the cavernous echoes that come with the goatse guy. Shudder.

Re:Voice Output? (1)

zxSpectrum (129457) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175551)

Voice output is disabled by default. If you want the voice features of Opera, you have to enable it by going to Tools - Preferences - Voice and enable it. When you do so, Opera will download the 2.5MB that enables voice

To further alleviate your "fear", Opera does not speak until instructed to by the user. The XHTML+Voice thing is mostly used to facilitate accurate voice input, so that when you want to type 'slashdot' in a form field, you won't get '/.'

I just heard my colleague (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175515)

screaming "Goatse ! Goatse !" ...

Dirty bastard ;)

Opera: still leading the pack (4, Interesting)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175526)

It amazes me that, after so many years, Opera continues to lead in browser innovation. Sure, Mozilla has copied tabbed browsing, popup blocking, mouse gestures, and a few more, but Opera has so much more. Small screen rendering, WML support, slideshows, keyboard shortcuts everywhere, ... And it's a lot faster and smaller, even with mail and IRC client built in.

And now they bring voice recognition. If they get that to work on Linux, I'll be happy to buy a couple more licenses from them.

Re:Opera: still leading the pack (1)

ozamosi (615254) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175611)

You've got a point there... Most of the features that makes FireFox killer-app (exept extentions) are copied straight from Opera. It amazes me that so few are marketing Opera. I guess that the linux "all that isn't OSS must be microsoft"-horde are a really powerfull lobbying group to have on your side.

As a personal note: I used to use Opera, then I went over to firefox at 0.9. A while ago, firefox broke down compleately, and after having used opera as a "last resort"-browser, I now like it better againg. Everything seems so well thought, and everything fits together. Firefox feels shattered all over the place, with extentions that overlaps each other.

New and improved Licence as well (4, Informative)

zxSpectrum (129457) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175531)

What also needs to be mentioned is that the Licence has changed [opera.com] for paid customers. Quoting:

In fact, we've just given all Opera 7 customers a free upgrade, and added to this, we've changed our license terms so that there is only one license for all desktop platforms, which means that you can install Opera on any number of computers in your own home, regardless of the (desktop) operating system used. Yes, that's right. You can install the registered version of Opera as many times as you like with just a single license.

Want to see how slow firefox is? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175544)

Double click the firefox icon first, and double click Internet explorer icon, you'll see IE load faster.

Quit bitching about paying the 40 dollars for opera, at least their programmers get paid, unlike firefox programmers.

Quit bitching about Opera being closed-source as well. How many of you firefox users have actually looked at all of the source???

Re:Want to see how slow firefox is? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175555)

You fail it (it is not realizing the IE DLLs are loaded at startup)

Re:Want to see how slow firefox is? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175557)

But IE is built into windows!!

Oh wait, IE spawns a new process when you load it, just as firefox does.

Myth debunked

Some other ways of detecting America (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175607)

They may also be able to tell you are an American by your frequent references to "Snoop Dogg," "Ann Coulter," and "John Stamos"

Re:Some other ways of detecting America (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175618)

Don't mind the guy who is so drunk he posted his comment in the wrong topic.

Your feedback welcome! (5, Informative)

ijablokov (225328) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175620)

Hi all,

I'm the IBM program director over this product, working in partnership w/ Opera. Some quick comments: The X+V spec unifies HTML & VoiceXML and is currently undergoing the W3C process for standardization. We wrote it together w/ Motorola & Opera and have made it open. We also have an Eclipse-based SDK available at http://www.ibm.com/pvc/multimodal and a prototype one at http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/mmtplus that allows you to visually build these multimodal apps.

Some of you may wonder why you should voice enable your Web content. First of all, one of my lead researchers is blind, and it's quite amazing to see how much he can accomplish today. Given that, in the future, I'm hoping a lot more content will be open to people with various disabilities.

Secondly, how useful is your cellphone for accessing the Web? It has a small screen & limited input. Now imagine just speaking into a multimodal portal: "weather forecast", "my portfolio", "eBay bids", "any high priority mail?", "am I free tomorrow at noon?", etc. The portal understands your input & fetches relevant info, which may also be tied into location based services. 50% of you will use multimodal services by 2010; this is intended as the replacement to WAP.

Warm regards!

Igor Jablokov

Re:Your feedback welcome! (1)

glomph (2644) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175640)

I think this is great for vision-impaired/blind people, and fits in with Opera's pursuit of small (mobile/embedded) applications.

But what I REALLY want to know is whether I have to give up listening to Swedish-sounding robotic voices, and start hearing Norwegian robots....

Re:Your feedback welcome! (1)

ijablokov (225328) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175665)

CTTS output will be used shortly which is almost human-like in it's quality, so you can banish those robots for good (the best example of that we have today currently ships w/ certain models of Honda autos). :) Some very impressive things will be announced around these initiatives soon, since it's clear the market will move aggressively to adopt this in the embedded & mobile spaces.

Igor Jablokov

Re:Your feedback welcome! (1)

zxSpectrum (129457) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175683)

As per now, the voice support in Opera is only available on Windows.

I am one of those who actually use Opera's voice output capabilities, as I like having a web page read to me while I do other stuff.

Is IBM planning to make the voice technology available on other platforms, such as OSX or Linux, so Opera can be used with voice on those platforms?

Absolutely no reason to keep using IE (2, Insightful)

hibri (646502) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175662)

with opera and firefox available, there is simply no reason to use IE on Windows. Switched to Opera 3 years ago and haven't looked back since.

Let's be clear on a few things here (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11175670)

Opera is many things. Before the bashing continues, however, I'd like to make a few things clear:

- it is NOT bloated; it's a 3.5 MB download
- it is NOT crashy
- it is NOT bad because of flashy ads because you can look at tiny, non-flashing google ads
- it is NOT unable to display pages propperly; it handles every webpage I'ver ever been to just fine
- it has a much nicer, more customizable UI than Firefox
- it is considerably faster than Firefox
- it has everything you'd ever want in a browser suite without needing any additional downloads or plugins
- you don't EVER have to use anything in it you don't want to, and even with email and chat turned on, it's still not bloated, and still has less of a footprint than Firefox
- if you turn off everything except web browsing, you'll never hear from it and Opera will have even less of a foot print
- it was well worth the $20 student price I paid for it. I rarely ever register software, and it was one of the few programs I did register without any regrets.

Opera is a magnificent piece of software. Who cares if it's not open source? Not every god damn thing in the world needs to be open. Who cares if it costs money? They're running a business, and selling a product, and a damn good one at that. You get what you pay for. Firefox is good too, but you also get what you pay for with Firefox.

Opera the Best Browser Ever ... (1)

The MESMERIC (766636) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175678)

for Windows!

now could you please please make it look pleasant on Linux? Thanks!

This user has dual licenses.
This user encourages people to get Opera for Windows.
Flame this user - but he hates Mozilla Firefox - period.

Summary, Opera vs. Firefox (1, Flamebait)

obeythefist (719316) | more than 9 years ago | (#11175680)

Opera - Closed Source
Firefox - Open Source
Firefox: 1 Opera: 0

Opera - $$$
Firefox - Free beer, Free speech
Firefox: 2 Opera: 0

Opera - Fast
Firefox - Not as fast
Firefox: 2 Opera: 1

Opera - Very large initial footprint
Firefox - Tiny footprint
Firefox: 3 Opera: 1

Opera - Very long time between updates and releases
Firefox - Fixed and updated with the speed of the open source communities non-sleeping programming hordes
Firefox: 4 Opera: 1

Opera - Little setup required on first install
Firefox - Plugins and configuration needs to be done before you get all the functionality you want
Firefox: 4 Opera: 2

Opera - Blocks popups
Firefox - Blocks popups and with adblock plugin, everything else you don't want to see
Firefox: 5 Opera: 2

Opera - Rendering problems on some pages
Firefox - Fewer rendering problems than Opera but more than IE (bad microsoft)
Firefox: 6 Opera: 2

Anyone think of any other important criteria I'm missing?
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