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U.S. World's Foremost Spam Nation In 2004

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the then-why-is-mine-mosly-cyrillic? dept.

Spam 274

der Kopf writes "As reported by ZDNet, '42 percent of all spam sent this year came from the United States,' which makes the U.S. the unthreatened king of the 2004 spam hill. Number two on the list is South Korea (with 13.43%), while China can be found in third place (with 8.44%). The U.S. put out more spam this year than all the other countries in the top 12 combined." All depends who's counting, I guess.

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Woohoo! (5, Funny)

Primotech (731340) | more than 9 years ago | (#11180949)

We're good where it counts.

Re:Woohoo! (4, Funny)

seanadams.com (463190) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181020)

We're good where it counts.

Where's that? The enl@rjd p3njs?

Re:Woohoo! (1)

savagedome (742194) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181022)

You do realize that the spammers are mostly trying to sell penile enlargements, viagra, insurance and mortgage. Hmmmmmm ;)

Wrong: China is Still # (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11181131)

The statistics in the original article is misleading. In total volume, the USA may be #1. Yet, if we weight the numbers based on GDP per capita, then China is #1, followed by South Korea [phrusa.org] .

In other words, the USA has more computers than China. Once China reaches a higher level of prosperity, with the same number of computer desktops possessed by the USA, then China will easily exceed the spam level generated by the USA.

Re:Wrong: China is Still # (2, Informative)

TFGeditor (737839) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181224)

I block all email based on IP. If the IP is registered in APNIC, LACNIC, or RIPE, it goes to the SPAM bin. SPAM from U.S. and Canadian IP addresses goes to a different folder, then reported to FTC and originating ISP via SpamCop.

The ratio varies from 30/70 to 20/80, with the majority percentage coming from foreign (to the U.S.) IP addresses.

In other words, anecdotal evidence indicates most SPAM comes from countries *other* than the U.S.

Re:Wrong: China is Still # (1)

jerryasher (151512) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181234)

Can you outline a brief tutorial on how you do that? Or provide a link or two?

Thanks!

Re:Woohoo! (4, Insightful)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181132)

This would be a good thing if it's accurate, that would mean that close to half of all spam would be under US jurisdiction, which means they can be sued and shut down in the US.

Yay! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11180954)

Finally, something to be proud of.

Re:Boo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11181088)

God damn fucking American bastards. Think they own everything. Screw the United States. Damn conservative bastards.

Re:Yay! (2, Funny)

sci50514 (722502) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181091)

Finally something that is not out-sourced. :)

Headlines we'll see in 2005, 2006, .. (2, Insightful)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 9 years ago | (#11180956)

That one just isn't going to change. Never has, never will.

spam 2050 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11181094)

Dr1nk C0c Acola.

Sure it will (2, Interesting)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181099)

as the center of the world's economy moves away from the US (which is is). Americans have way too high a Standard of Living. Worse, we've got a high SoL for most anybody here. The rich bastards of the world are busy ballancing the books and it looks like India and China (with their hugh, easily abusable populations) will come out ahead. Just give it time and the spammers won't have nearly enough Americans with more money than sense anymore, but they'll be plenty elsewhere.

Re:Sure it will (1)

DanielJosphXhan (779185) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181174)

And who knows: by the time that China and India do become world superpowers, maybe they'll be running an operating system that won't be so easily turned into a zombie for the Axis of Spam Evil. Like, oh say, Linux?

Re:Headlines we'll see in 2005, 2006, .. (1)

enosys (705759) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181137)

China will probably overtake the US farily soon. They have a much larger population and due to their current rate of progress many people will be getting computers. I'm sure they'll be able to get decent broadband as well.

Re:Headlines we'll see in 2005, 2006, .. (1)

ReelOddeeo (115880) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181165)

[China] have a much larger population and due to their current rate of progress many people will be getting computers.

I wonder what OS they will be running?

Has to be said (-1, Offtopic)

Depili (749436) | more than 9 years ago | (#11180958)

I for one welcome our new spammer overlords.

Re:Has to be said (1)

had3l (814482) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181081)

That won't stop them from destroying our main cities with their nigerian scam tractor beam.

Not surprised.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11180961)

United States 485,740
India 90,303
Korea, Republic of 42,962
Japan 38,341
United Kingdom 38,103
France 36,986
Canada 34,996
Germany 31,185
China 22,161
Spain 17,140

and yup my mail server is in india..

Re:Not surprised.. (1)

northcat (827059) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181034)

And where the heck did you get those figures from? Its not in TFA. What's your problem with India?

Re:Not surprised.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11181119)

United States 485,740
India 90,303
Korea, Republic of 42,962
Japan 38,341
United Kingdom 38,103
France 36,986
Canada 34,996
Germany 31,185
China 22,161
Spain 17,140

and yup my mail server is in india..

Re:Not surprised.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11181120)

This is what I saw in the article United States: 42.11 percent South Korea: 13.43 percent China (including Hong Kong): 8.44 percent Canada: 5.71 percent Brazil: 3.34 percent Japan: 2.57 percent France: 1.37 percent Spain: 1.18 percent United Kingdom: 1.13 percent Germany: 1.03 percent Taiwan: 1.0 percent Mexico: 0.89 percent Where did you see India in that?

Re:Not surprised.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11181123)

United States 485,740
India 90,303
Korea, Republic of 42,962
Japan 38,341
United Kingdom 38,103
France 36,986
Canada 34,996
Germany 31,185
China 22,161
Spain 17,140

and yup my mail server is in india..

Re:Not surprised.. (1)

northcat (827059) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181166)

Where the heck are the mods? Mod parent as troll. He's just posting cooked up info. And if you're not convinced read this thread. He posted the same post as a reply to all the replies.

Re:Not surprised.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11181186)

> Kharagpur is a city near Delhi.

Wrong. Kharagpur is about 1,000 Km from Delhi and is in the state of West Bengal. IIT-Kharagpur (aka IIT-Kgp) was the first IIT established in India. The other IITs came about 5-10 years later.

The video clip had found its way on the IIT-Kgp LAN from where the IIT-Kgp student picked it up and then sold it on bazee.com. Note that the Director of IIT-Kgp was not arrested for the clip floating on its LAN.

Who's counting? (3, Insightful)

cperciva (102828) | more than 9 years ago | (#11180963)

All depends who's counting, I guess.

This study comes from the UK; given recent electoral history, I'm far more inclined to trust that they can count than I am to trust any study which comes out of the US.

Re:Who's counting? (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181017)

From where I've been counting since about 1996, the US has always been the main source of spam, but I've never been surprised by this:

It is a symptom of a society where any level of dishonesty is legally acceptable, and is socially acceptable if it pays (hence the number of spammers with intact limbs). It is also a symptom of the greed and gullibility of individuals who are so easily sucked in by offers of something too good to be true.

Re:Who's counting? (1)

mattdm (1931) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181177)

It is a symptom of a society where any level of dishonesty is legally acceptable, and is socially acceptable if it pays (hence the number of spammers with intact limbs).

Err, yeah, sorry about that -- free speech is a terrible, terrible thing. But don't worry -- we're workin' really hard at turning ourselves into an authoritarian fundamentalist/multinational state, so if you check back in a few years, I'm sure you'll be happy to find that lying [*] is totally illegal and everything is happy.

Not sure what we'll do about the lack of violent vigilante justice, but hey, I'm sure someone's working on it.

* as defined by MobilMicroCitiGeneralWalDisney and the 700 club. They know what's best.

Re:Who's counting? (5, Insightful)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181066)

All depends who's counting, I guess.

What the fuck was that editorialil comment supposed to mean anyway?

Every time spam comes up as a topic here we get dozens of xenophobic rednecks proudly explaining that since they've "blocked all APNIC" they "don't get any spam, and who cares about communicating with them anyway". Even in the face of data like this, I'm sure they'll continue to lecture the rest of the world on how thay have to shut down "their" spammers or be cut off.

Personally, living in Hong Kong, about 1% of my spam is local, 2-5% Nigerian, the rest American.

Re:Who's counting? (1)

kaarlov (259057) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181129)

The problem is not that those people blocking all APNIC or whatever get a lot of spam marketing things from Asia, but the problem is that there are too many ISPs in China and Korea who are even worse than US ISPs in regards of reacting to spam complaints.

And many of american spammers have noticed this and started to use APNIC-area ISPs services for spamming.

Re:Who's counting? (1)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181211)

And many of american spammers have noticed this and started to use APNIC-area ISPs services for spamming.

Actually, no. Most spam is, according to what I've read recently, sent from zombie PCs, in the US mostly. China does come up as a home for the websites processing sales to those idiots who respond to spam.

And "APNIC" is an absurdly large area of the world -- including notably Asutralia and New Zealand. I wouldn't mind so much if people actually blacklisted the ISPs who do have something to do with spam, not just everyone on the same continent.

I hate to say it... (-1, Offtopic)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181130)

but Bush really did win this time, but such a margine that even if there was voter tampering, it wasn't needed. And really, who's surprised. It was too rich dudes against each other. Kerry's only campaign promise was that we wasn't Bush (I still voted for him, lesser of two evils and all). They both supported the work visa program (oh yeah, give 20 million poor desparate Mexicans free reign to work in the US, that's a great idea), Kerry wasn't exactly anti-war, just anti-Bush's-war.

Something that was pointed out to me for why people like Bush (by rotten.com of all people) is that he provides simple solutions to complex problems. Sure they don't work work, but he makes people believe that with a little hard work and Gumption everything will be all right, and their children's future isn't busy being sold down the river to India/China. People don't want to be told that stuff like outsourcing, energy, environment and war are complex, multifacted issues. Any candidate that tries is going to lose. I guess Americans will get what they deserve in the long run, but it sucks for the few innocent who see it comming and can't really do much about it.

Finally. A chance to whore some karma! (0, Redundant)

hussain (579409) | more than 9 years ago | (#11180965)

The United States is in a league of its own when it comes to sending junk mail to email users.

Researchers at security company Sophos found after scanning its global network of honeypots -- computers designed to attract spam emails and viruses -- that 42 percent of all spam sent this year came from the United States.

Sophos says this is evidence that America's anti-spam legislation simply isn't working.

"When we released the first report back in February, the US had the excuse that the Can-Spam Act had been in existence for only three months," said Graham Cluley, senior technology consultant for Sophos, on Friday.

"Almost a year and millions of spam messages later, it is quite evident that that the Can-Spam legislation has made very little headway in damming the flood of spam."

South Korea and China came in second and third place, respectively, but together they sent just half as much spam as the US.

The United Kingdom came ninth in the list, and was responsible for just 1.13 percent of the world's spam.

The results came in as follows:

United States: 42.11 percent
South Korea: 13.43 percent
China (including Hong Kong): 8.44 percent
Canada: 5.71 percent
Brazil: 3.34 percent
Japan: 2.57 percent
France: 1.37 percent
Spain: 1.18 percent
United Kingdom: 1.13 percent
Germany: 1.03 percent
Taiwan: 1.0 percent
Mexico: 0.89 percent

Sophos warned that many spammers are using hacked PCs with broadband connections to send out their spam. This could explain South Korea's position near the top of the list, as it leads the world for broadband penetration.

"Spammers are motivated by one thing -- quick, easy money," added Cluley. "There are plenty of spammers who have taken their money-making schemes to the extreme by hacking into innocent third-party computers in an effort to do their dirty work."

"Many of the computers sending out spam are most likely to have had their broadband internet connections exploited by remote hackers. Zombie computers -- PCs that have been compromised by hackers or virus writers -- are sending out over 40 percent of the world's spam, and many users who fall victim are unaware."

Re:Finally. A chance to whore some karma! (2, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 9 years ago | (#11180998)

This could explain South Korea's position near the top of the list, as it leads the world for broadband penetration.

Gee, poor guys, if someone threatened me of broadband penetration, I guess I'd send out unsolicited email too...

the cat got my tongue (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11180966)

'42 percent of all spam sent this year came from the United States,' which makes the U.S. the unthreatened king of the 2004 spam hill.

hello Mr Bush, I heard BinMadem is hidden inside US.
Please keep your promisse to napalm everyone that hosts terrorists...
well... btw you can add spammers to that list too!!

And it's mostly coming from fucking idiots... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11180968)

...with owned, unpatched Windows machines sitting directly on cable or DSL connections.

If Comcast and Verizon spent half as much on cracking down on their moron customers as they do on mailers begging me to use their Internet services, they'd have this problem under control in no time.

Re:And it's mostly coming from fucking idiots... (1)

jonbryce (703250) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181144)

You forget the people who actually sell and buy the stuff.

Interesting... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11180969)

I wonder if we will begin hearing tales of admins blocking US based IPs as we have heard of them blocking Chinese IPs outright.

Simple solution (3, Funny)

ringer9cs (743732) | more than 9 years ago | (#11180970)

I am going to block USA, Korea and China on my firewall!

Re:Simple solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11180988)

Good idea, and as a bonus, you'll stop receiving obnoxious propaganda news from two of these countries at the same time.

Re:Simple solution (1)

Morlark (814687) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181037)

But which two? I think I know which two countries I'd rather not receive propaganda from.

Re:Simple solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11181207)

UK and China.

Re:Simple solution (0, Troll)

northcat (827059) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181046)

Congratulations! You blocked the fucking Internet!

Re:Simple solution (0, Troll)

had3l (814482) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181098)

But in Communist China the firewall blocks you!

Good news in disguise? (5, Insightful)

Magus424 (232405) | more than 9 years ago | (#11180971)

If most of the spam comes from the US, that means that any anti-spam legislation passed here could have a huge effect.

Of course, now we have to wait for Congress to actually do something about it. ;-)

consider the jihad this holiday season (-1, Troll)

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HA!!! (1)

Lotharjade (750874) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181051)

I AM NOW HOLDING MY BREATH!!! Pfhtt... ..... ..... ...ske... ...thud.

Re:Good news in disguise? (1)

DrNibbler (547534) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181071)

I suspect that the bulk of the SPAM is comming from zombified Windows machines. I don't think we can throw people in jail for getting 0wned, as much as I would like to see it.

Re:Good news in disguise? (1)

andreMA (643885) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181219)

I don't think we can throw people in jail for getting 0wned, as much as I would like to see it.
A better solution might be fines sufficient to pay for their prosecution and probation with the condition that they not live in a household with a networked computer until they (at their expense) complete a network security adult-education class offered by a local community college or some such. Assuming that their machine being compromised was something that was easilly preventable and they failed - through ignorance or apathy - to correct a problem.

For a second offense, boiling oil.

Re:Good news in disguise? (1)

killbill! (154539) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181135)

If most of the spam comes from the US, that means that any anti-spam legislation passed here could have a huge effect.

Please explain how you expect people stealing other people's computers to send their spam to suddenly care about the law.

Re:Good news in disguise? (1)

jonbryce (703250) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181161)

Follow the money. If the spammers get their sales revenue seized from the credit card account, there will be a lot less motivation to spam.

Re:Good news in disguise? (1)

killbill! (154539) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181201)

You mean, like drug dealers, weapon importers or human traffickers?

It'll only push spammers underground.

Total doesn't add up. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11180972)

If you add up all the percentages listed, the total is about 80%. Where is the extra 20% coming from? Dark matter?

Re:Total doesn't add up. (1)

northcat (827059) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181057)

Little bits from other countries. And some of them could not be determined where they came from. Obviously. Use TFB (The Fucking Brain).

Re:Total doesn't add up. (1)

ESqVIP (782999) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181070)

As they say, those are just the top spammers, not all the spammers.

The remaining 20% are distributed in other locations.

It's funny cuz (4, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 9 years ago | (#11180976)

The US is supposed to have a legal tool against spam [spamlaws.com] , and yet it's the worst offender in the world.

I guess we CAN-SPAM and we're mighty proud of it...

Re:It's funny cuz (1)

btbo (769556) | more than 9 years ago | (#11180992)

You're reversing it: it's the only country that really needs legislation against spam, we could live with the rest....

Re:It's funny cuz (1)

anthony_dipierro (543308) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181249)

Just proof that laws aren't the solution. The vast majority of spam is sent in violation of the law.

Wonderful news... (4, Funny)

Faust7 (314817) | more than 9 years ago | (#11180977)

So we hold the majority on manhood enhancement, hot free teens, and low low mortgage rates.

*sniff* I've never been so proud of my country.

Re:Wonderful news... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11180995)

So we hold the majority on manhood enhancement, hot free teens, and low low mortgage rates.

*sniff* I've never been so proud of my country.


Actually, when you really interpret the above, the US holds the majority of men with small dicks, guys who can't get any, and people who have lousy mortgages.

Re:Wonderful news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11181183)


Mod parent up! It has to be the funniest post evar on the the intarwebs.

That's all well and good, but... (1)

Omicron32 (646469) | more than 9 years ago | (#11180978)

It's pretty obviously really.

I mean, all the spammers living in the US have less distance to go to get Redmond to digitally sign their emails.

Obviously (2, Informative)

btbo (769556) | more than 9 years ago | (#11180979)

If you'd ask me, 90% or more comes from the US, through relays all over the world...

It should be 100%! (2, Funny)

vikramrn (832734) | more than 9 years ago | (#11180980)

100% of Spam comes from the USA! SPAM is a registered trademark [spam.com] of Hormel Foods [hormel.com] Corporation based in Austin, Minnesota!

A better question... (3, Interesting)

Mhrmnhrm (263196) | more than 9 years ago | (#11180982)

How did they come up with their numbers? I can easily see the US leading because of zombified Windows machines, but where are the ISP mail relays those zombies are using?

Re:A better question... (1)

kaarlov (259057) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181014)

Umm, zombies nowadays typically don't use any further mail realys, they just send direct to receiving MX. Or if they do use realys, it is the isp's smtp-server the zombified machine uses for legitimate uses too.

Re:A better question... (1)

krray (605395) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181023)

What are you talking about!? If all the hacked Windows boxes were using mail relays the problem would REAL easy. They are not. Those hacked Windows boxes are trying to connect DIRECTLY to the mail servers -- they are the relay themselves.

Re:A better question... (1)

Vitus Wagner (5911) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181086)

Really they use both ways at the same time. Probably there are several types of spammer's viruses/worms and some of them use relays and some direct sending. Later is quite easy to cope with from ISP side. Just block all outgoing connections to port 25 besides ones originated from legitimate mail servers.

But if you want to stop all the abuses of mail relays, you should monitor your mail server constantly. And it is not something ISP admins are paid for.

It all depends on who's counting (1)

fred911 (83970) | more than 9 years ago | (#11180985)

Absolutly! There are some places in the world that don't count p3n|s enlargment email as spam!

Yes, but (1)

Omicron32 (646469) | more than 9 years ago | (#11180989)

Are these emails digitally signed?

Inspiration (4, Funny)

CaptainZapp (182233) | more than 9 years ago | (#11180993)

The U.S. put out more spam this year than all the other countries in the top 12 combined.

They must have gotten their inspiration from military spending.

Fucking spammers!

Re:Inspiration (1)

arose (644256) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181149)

Fucking spammers!
Strange fetish...

Re:Inspiration (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11181180)

Military spending? Quite possibly. Military training? Not a chance: they haven't bought several metric buttloads of high-tech equipment only to have it operated by the educationally and morally sub-normal.
And the spammers don't crap-flood each other.

flawed data (3, Informative)

+Addict-09+ (239664) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181003)

These reports use records at arin/apnic/ripe/lanic to determine country of origin. Just because an ip was issued by ripe (for instance) doesn't mean it's being used in Europe.

Re:flawed data (3, Informative)

kaarlov (259057) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181069)

Usually there is information about the country where the ip is assigned in the registries' whois-records. And there are compiled lists which quite accurately tells in which country ip-address is located. On of these is http://countries.nerd.dk/ [countries.nerd.dk] . Of course they aren't 100% accurate, but enough for purposes like this.

test (-1, Offtopic)

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Re:test (-1, Troll)

northcat (827059) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181073)

Whoever modded parent as off-topic: OK fucktard, where is it ON topic then? Because these things need to be said.

Do not blame the US (-1, Troll)

p0 (740290) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181019)

Why, the Internet was supposed to be a global community. I think we should not put geography as a point here, we are not talking about environmental issues. Spam "coming from the US" may be a symptom of something else wrong somewhere else that doesn't have anything to do with the country.

MOD PARENT UP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11181059)

*claps*

Let me guess... (2, Funny)

JaxWeb (715417) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181176)

...you're American? ;)

(Merry Christmas!)

Here's the standard spam-solution form (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11181043)


In anticipation of yet another wave of proposed solutions, I have attached the standard spam-solution form for your convenience:

----------

Your post advocates a

( ) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based ( ) vigilante

approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work.
Here is why it won't work:

( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
( ) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
( ) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
( ) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
( ) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
( ) Users of email will not put up with it
( ) Microsoft will not put up with it
( ) The police will not put up with it
( ) Requires too much cooperation from spammers
( ) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
( ) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
( ) Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
( ) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business

Specifically, your plan fails to account for

( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it
( ) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email
( ) Open relays in foreign countries
( ) Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses
( ) Asshats
( ) Jurisdictional problems
( ) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
( ) Huge existing software investment in SMTP
( ) Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack
( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
( ) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
( ) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
( ) Extreme profitability of spam
( ) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
( ) Technically illiterate politicians
( ) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers
( ) Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves
( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
( ) Outlook

and the following philosophical objections may also apply:

( ) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever been shown practical
( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
( ) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation
( ) Blacklists suck
( ) Whitelists suck
( ) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored
( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
( ) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
( ) Sending email should be free
( ) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
( ) Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome
( ) I don't want the government reading my email
( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough

is this really a suprise? (1)

suezz (804747) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181045)

in a land of counting your stocks and worrying about bottom line - this isn't surprising. we are nothing but a bunch lawyers and marketers - it's a joke - and I am embarrassed

way to go yanks... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11181047)

Kyoto...
Spam...
Iraq...

You must be so proud of yourselves.

Spamvertised web sites in China (5, Interesting)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181054)

I report all my spam via Spamcop.net [spamcop.net] , and while I don't have any numbers, it seems like almost all of the spamvertised web sites reside in China.

My understanding is that if you could close down the spamvertised sites, spam would largely be restricted to phishing attacks. If I didn't believe this, I probably wouldn't bother using spamcop!

Yes, but... (1)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181229)

Location of spamvertised websites != location where spam emails are sent from. Or at least, it's not generally the case.

The undisputed kings of bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11181077)

Someone had to say it, the sole and only reason for this is capitalism, which in the long run will prove to be the single worst economical system ever to have been used by men. Capitalism encourage bullshit, a lot, the single most common trait to any capitalist entity is to get more than it gives. That means that every single product has to be less than what was sold but in such a way that you can hardly complain, stretching the truth is common ground here. Capitalist entities also have the most rights, in fact no human has more rights than a capitalist entity, it all comes from the fact that corps have the same rights than humans but none of the responsibility, my take is, if your company has been found guilty of some crime, the corp should serve its time like any human; the product killed because it was faulty, that is involontary homicide, a couple of year, unable to profit or sell or actually do anything but support the product already out, any money making going to the public, I swear a lot more corps would actually do their homework and start being responsible, but just by your internal reaction I'm sensing here, some of you actually think that is unjust or stretching it, capitalism made its way in your mind, you're already done.

The USA being the single most powerfull capitalist entity, by its policies and population and market it's no surprise at all they are the undisputed champs of spam, thats just the natural extension of their social and economical structure. What surprises me though is that Canada isn't on that list, I mean we are a very capitalist society, maybe not compared to the US but still compared to most other countries we are and our legislations are actually more spam friendly than in the US...

Re:The undisputed kings of bullshit (5, Interesting)

interstellar_donkey (200782) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181202)

You've managed to put your finger on the biggest problem in the Western social and economic system, that corps have the same rights than humans but none of the responsibility .

Though I don't think hitting the corporations financially as punishment really works. Large corporations will typically build in potential losses from economic punishments for misdeeds into their business model. A company may knowingly release a product they know to be unsafe, and simply put a portion of their profits aside for paying out of court settlements to victims.

In essense, this is akin to saying that it's alright for me to go around killing people without fear of jail if I can afford to pay the victim's families a large portion of money.

What I'd like to see is criminal charges brought on descision makers in corporations who knowingly use unsafe methods to produce a product that they know to be dangerous. In other words, a manager who makes the decision to save $0.02 on each product produced by using a less safe part won't be hedging those cost savings against the potential court costs from the families his company's product kills, he'll be hedging it against the very real possibility that he himself may face prison time for multiple murder charges.

We cannot give large corporations exemption from responsibility on a human level. We see corporations as faceless entities, but there are always human beings behind the scenes making decisions on how that corporation acts. If we start making those humans accountable for the actions of the company for whom they make decisions, I think we'd start seeing quite a bit more safety, envrionmental and social responsibility in the corporate world.

Thank you... (1)

liangzai (837960) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181079)

I would like to thank America. Not only for saving us during the great war, giving us democracy, human rights and capitalism, but also by making me instantly rich. I would like to thank America for enlarging my pathetically small tool, so now it almost matches my beloved's pink toy in size and magnificence. And I would like to thank America for giving me access to all those nude Britney pics. When I sit in front of my American made Windows Computer my beloved helps me use my enhanced tool getting off to the images of this wonderful and healthy country bumpkin. Thank you! Thanks to you, my fellow Americans, my life has so much improved.

Educate the users (1, Redundant)

space_man51 (796535) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181082)

Zombie computers -- PCs that have been compromised by hackers or virus writers -- are sending out over 40 percent of the world's spam, and many users who fall victim are unaware."

So the real solution is to educate users about security... nothing new here. Now if only people actually cared about things like security, maybe the ISPs could educate their users rather than just blocking ports (much good that does).

A more realistic solution would be to require licenses for internet access. Yes, I know all the privacy advocates are going to attack me for saying this, but there are way too many irresponsible people out there. A simple written test about security should be enough to make the average Joe aware of some of the issues out there. Then we can hold them at least partially responsible when someone hacks their computer and uses it to send spam, and getting them to use an alternate OS would be easier.

I know such a plan would carry risks, but if the licenses are distributed by a non-profit organization (in the form of a digital certificate / PGP key) and enforced by the ISPs, then it may just work. It's not like the ISPs can't track you already, so there isn't much of a privacy concern there. Besides the ISPs would be required to sign a privacy agreement. What I mean, is that the license would only be used for loging into the ISP, and would not be transmitted any further (but read more below).

Optionally these keys could also be used for online authentication. I for one would find it more convenient than standard passwords. Combined with a fingerprint reader, this technology can be useful (all based on open standards of course).

Oh, and back on the topic of spam: if these licenses become a standard (and I think ISPs would love the idea if it means less problem with spam, viruses, and other uneducated user problems), then the next step would be making digital signatures in e-mails a requirement. If making it a requirement it too much, then at least spam filters could mark unsigned messages as junk as long as signing becomes more common.

This is probably not the most sound plan, but it's a thought. Comments are welcome

Blame it on microsoft ! (1)

sunsrin (842762) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181083)

Its all because Microsoft ! Your email address ends up getting collected everytime a new email worm makes its presence because of a Windows vulnerability.

Dumb Question (1)

Crusty Oldman (249835) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181095)

I have a dumb question: Who are these people that reply to spam, making the practice profitable? If we could just identify these people, we could route around the spammers and tap into a fabulously rich energy source!

And people say America produces nothing. (1)

Pathetic Coward (33033) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181096)

China controls manufacturing and India IT. But America will always remain #1 in penis enlargement.

Right! (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11181114)

I live in Austria (Europe) and all the spams I get at home and at work (over a hundred a day) are in English and address subjects relating to the US. All the mortgage spams refer to US mortgages, all the Viagra Spams refer to pharmacies that deliver to the USA, all prices are in dollars, and so on.

Most European countries have tough anti-spam laws. I get practically no spams that come from Europe or specifically target Europeans. The last Spam I got in German was from some dumbass dot-com newbie who had bought a CD-ROM full of "guaranteed legal e-mail addresses" from some US scammer.

The problem with spam is a problem with the USA.
Fix it.
Now.

Correct me if I'm wrong here... (2)

Gay Nigger (676904) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181124)

But don't most major broadband ISPs like Comcast and Verizon already block outgoing connections to port 25? How do spammers acquires these armies of zombie machines and actually send mail via SMTP?

Re:Correct me if I'm wrong here... (1)

shadowsurfr1 (746027) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181169)

I believe there's a way around it. Just use port 2525 for example. DynDns [dyndns.org] has a service like that.

Makes sense... (4, Funny)

}InFuZeD{ (52430) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181127)

Hormel is located in the United States.

South Korea?! (-1)

Myuu (529245) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181133)

While my sense of democracy says otherwise, my inbox is making me reconsider this whole DMZ. Maybe we should just let North Korea...ya know...have at it.

Ahh the Irony of Slashdot (5, Insightful)

Khuffie (818093) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181140)

When an article came out sometime last month about how a lot of spam is coming from China, people here were complaining about the damned Chinese, how they should just block the whole country and be done with it, that they do nothing at all and that China just blame sucks.

Now an article with research backing it shows the US as the major culprit, and what does everyone do? Make excuses or jokes. What makes you think the Chinese don't have zombie machines? Or is it ok for the US to spam, but no one else?

And the fact of the matter is, aside from a few random Russian/Chinese emails (1 in 100), most of the spam I receive is offering goods and services in English, directed at the North American market. 'Where' the spam comes from doesn't really matter, what the spam is selling and where that thing is should.

Internets (1)

myukew (823565) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181192)

It's unfair! The USA have the InternetS: Two Internets means twice the amount of spam...

Where it comes from, isn't always who its from.... (1, Interesting)

Avatar889 (670455) | more than 9 years ago | (#11181213)

Just because all of this spam is coming from America, doesn't mean Americans are the spammers. Most of the spam, I would be willing to bet that most of that mail is from stupid Windoze users getting pwned and having their "super-fast", "always on" connections that they don't even know how to use. But take a look at who writes these viruses and stuff, they whould be the ones held accountable for all of this traffic. Also, look at the spamhaus lists or such, how many of them are American? Not many. So before all of you foreigners go on your self-righteous, America bashing campaigns, take a look at the facts and not just some bullshit those dirty, dental hygienically challenged bastards from across the pond are spewing forth.
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