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New Speed Record For Hybrid Cars

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the record-ticket-too dept.

Technology 411

prostoalex writes "According to CarPages, Toyota Prius set a new world record for hybrid vehicles. It 'set the mark at 130.794 mph on the three-mile short course using a standard Hybrid Synergy Drive power-train - a mixture of 1.5 litre petrol engine and an electric motor.'"

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Don't forget... (-1, Offtopic)

SCO$699FeeTroll (695565) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187735)

...to pay your $699 licensing fee you cock-smoking teabaggers.

OOOOH WOW (-1, Troll)

koreaman (835838) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187736)

Nobody cares how fast a hybrid car goes. They are not designed for speed.

Re:OOOOH WOW (-1, Redundant)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187759)

umm... neither are normal street cars dork.

Re:OOOOH WOW (1)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187808)

You are so brilliant. The grandparent was simply pointing out that it is not top speed that will define hybrid's success in the market place. This headline is worthless.

Re:OOOOH WOW (4, Insightful)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187963)

You seem to be forgetting a very basic marketting effect: look at rally racing cars in europe these days: most cars entered are mom-and-pop 4-door sedans, or bargain basement 2-door econoboxes that are strategically souped up and modified for racing by the manufacturers themselves (if not simply a racing chassis with a fake body of the model in question).

That way, mom and pop's teenage son fresh out of getting the driver's license, and young adults, associate the shite econobox with the powerful race cars they see on TV and they buy it.

So guess what? hybrid manufacturers are doing the same. The least thing they want is for their vehicles to be associated with being a mature person's choice for economy and savings. So they race hybrids, even if it makes no sense, to make them sexy to young male drivers. Plain and simple.

Re:OOOOH WOW (3, Insightful)

notthe9 (800486) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187803)

This can help crush myths (and not-so-myths) about Hybrids being slow and laggy.

Though they are not built for speed, most people would like to know that their car can easily go 80. Further, Hybrid racing is an interesting idea. Virtually all types of races are about getting good speed under certain limiting conditions... what an interesting limit to be up against.

Re:OOOOH WOW (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11187848)

This can help crush myths (and not-so-myths) about Hybrids being slow and laggy.

Right, and replace it with the fact they need ice to go fast. This wasn't a stock car.

Re:OOOOH WOW (5, Informative)

Infinityis (807294) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187924)

Actually, that myth will likely be futher crushed with the release of a retrofittable hybrid electric vehicle kit, such as the one being developed by Ecolectric Technology (www.ecolectrictechnology.com). Then, you can take any vehicle, retrofit it to be hybrid electric, race it, and claim a new world record. The inherent increase in low-end torque (and thus acceleration) will probably make it as desirable a modification as turbochargers or superchargers on any performance vehicle.

A hybrid McLaren might be pretty nice if you as me...

Re:OOOOH WOW (2, Insightful)

fruity_pebbles (568822) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188205)

Except that Ecolectric's product is vaporware, and their web site is full of unsubstantiated claims about performance / efficiency gains.

Re:OOOOH WOW (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11188010)

Not true. See this previously posted article [slashdot.org] for more details.

Hmmmm (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11187755)

The award will go nicely on the shelf next to the ugliest hybrid awards it has received three years running.

The FASTEST...erm... (5, Informative)

Sensible Clod (771142) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187757)

actually, it's the only hybrid ever entered. In fact, they had to convince the people to open a new category in order to allow the vehicle, because it has more than one 'engine'. IIRC, it may also have been because the other 'engine' (elec. motor) doesn't 'use conventional fuel'.

Good News For Oil Demand: China vs. West (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11187933)

The popularization of hybrid cars and H-cars (i.e. hydrogren powered cars) is good news for West. Right now, China is sucking the oil out of the same suppliers that normally send the bulk of their oil to the West [phrusa.org] . The result has been a shortage of gasoline and skyrocketing prices.

These hybrid cars and H cars will help to reduce Western demand for oil and will help to reduce the air pollution in the West. Air pollution is good news for China and will shorten the lifespan of the average Chinese.

Re:The FASTEST...erm... (5, Interesting)

skywire (469351) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187973)

The so-called 'hybrids' use nothing but 'conventional fuel', albeit in an unconventional manner. For marketing purposes, the manufacturers lead the public to believe that they derive part of their energy from combustion of petrol and part "from electricity", which is meaningless but impressive to the average consumer, who doesn't stop to ask why, if that is so, he is not having to charge up his car every night.

Our local newspaper recently published a glowing 'news story' (a regurgitation of marketing hype) written by a dreamy-eyed reporter who clearly believed that somehow there was a second energy source besides petrol involved. He even claimed that as long as a 'hybrid' was driven below a certain speed, it consumed no petrol (Lest I be flamed, let me make it clear that I am well aware that a 'hybrid' can switch its internal combustion engine on and off as needed while drawing current from the storage cells. The reporter's claim went far beyond that. If he were to be believed, we could all drive around for free the rest of our lives as long as we kept our speed under a certain threshold.)

The record won't last long. (2, Informative)

JPriest (547211) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188033)

A stock Honda Accord Hybrid with 3.0L engine (255 HP) would fucking eat that. They won't even have to remove the interior, raise the voltage, or lower it 5 inches.

Re:The FASTEST...erm... (4, Informative)

Andy_R (114137) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188037)

Actually, almost all land speed record breakers in recent years have been dual engine hybrids. The LSR rules require the car to be able to go in reverse, and the common solution to this requirement is to stick a tiny electric motor in somewhere that can strain itself half to death while dragging the car a few inches backwards to fit the rules.

Not exactly standard... (4, Informative)

avalys (221114) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187770)

This car was not exactly "standard", as the summary claims.

"An engineering group from Toyota Motorsport in the USA prepared the car by changing the gear ratios (4.32:1 to 3.2:1) and increasing the inverter voltage from 500 to 550 volts. A transmission cooling system was added to decrease the temperature of the inverter and electric motor to maximise efficiency. Ambient temperature on the salt flats was nearly 100 degrees Fahrenheit with nearly 100 degrees humidity. Ice was added between runs to keep the system cool.

The interior of the car was stripped to save weight, a roll cage added for safety and the whole car lowered by five inches to improve the aerodynamics for this highly specialised record attempt. Even the 26 in front and 25 in rear tyres were made especially by Goodyear."


With that in mind, hybrids have a long way to go.

Re:Not exactly standard... (1)

ctid (449118) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187789)

With that in mind, hybrids have a long way to go.

A long way to go for what?

Re:Not exactly standard... (1)

LiENUS (207736) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188012)

Meaning my 30 year old gasoline car has a top speed higher than this, and it weighs 4000 lbs to boot. It will be some time before hybrids shake off the picture in the publics mind of a slow underpowered car.

Re:Not exactly standard... (1)

dosius (230542) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188107)

The public WANTS big, enormous gas guzzlers, it feeds their egos. Why do you think SUVs are so popular, and getting larger and larger? Electric and hybrid cars will never take off because they're not big hulking gas-guzzling SUVs! (As much as I prefer alternatives to gasoline.)

Moll.

Re:Not exactly standard... (1)

Knetzar (698216) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188194)

Isn't ford coming out with a hybrid SUV next year? Hybrid is just a way to get power, where as SUV is a body type. There is no reason to think that they won't be hybrid big hulking SUVs that get the same gas mileage as a mid-sized car.

What on earth does that mean? (1)

Sensible Clod (771142) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187816)

100 degrees humidity? Sheesh...

MOD PARENT INSIGHTFUL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11187932)

Idiot moderator rated it offtopic. You can't get more on topic than this...

Re:MOD PARENT INSIGHTFUL (2, Informative)

objekt (232270) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188070)

When will you people learn? Italic type is Off-topic, Bold type is insightful!

Re:Not exactly standard... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11188045)

Those aren't huge mods for a salt flats run. Check out what they do to conventional vehicles for competition there.

They did cheat a little by stripping it. (3, Insightful)

zymano (581466) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187772)


An engineering group from Toyota Motorsport in the USA prepared the car by changing the gear ratios (4.32:1 to 3.2:1) and increasing the inverter voltage from 500 to 550 volts. A transmission cooling system was added to decrease the temperature of the inverter and electric motor to maximise efficiency. Ambient temperature on the salt flats was nearly 100 degrees Fahrenheit with nearly 100 degrees humidity. Ice was added between runs to keep the system cool.

The interior of the car was stripped to save weight, a roll cage added for safety and the whole car lowered by five inches to improve the aerodynamics for this highly specialised record attempt. Even the 26 in front and 25 in rear tyres were made especially by Goodyear.


Re:They did cheat a little by stripping it. (1)

Eric(b0mb)Dennis (629047) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187838)

Who cares? They wanted to dispel the myth about hybrids. Do you think Model-T's were hitting 130 down the flats? They still have a long way to go, sure. But it seems they're coming along nicely

Re:They did cheat a little by stripping it. (1)

caino59 (313096) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187899)

Right. Anyone who thinks any of these cars running for records are available on the show room floor need to think again. Anything running out at the salt flats is hot-rodded.

This is a hot-rodded hybrid vehicle.

'nuff said.

However, I would expect things like that transmission cooler to work into production models.

Re:They did cheat a little by stripping it. (4, Informative)

Firethorn (177587) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188021)

No, but a steam powered vehicle [soton.ac.uk] did hit 127.66 mph in 1906.

Besides, Model-T's weren't speed machines, they were consumer machines that opened up the market to sectors who had never before been able to afford a car. A model-T modified for racing could reach 100 mph [modelt.ca]

Re:They did cheat a little by stripping it. (1)

Eric(b0mb)Dennis (629047) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188105)

Well, exactly. Hybrids aren't speed machines, but fuel-efficient (With prices the way they are..) Middle class viable hybrids could revolutionize the way we travel.

Re:They did cheat a little by stripping it. (2, Insightful)

zakezuke (229119) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188155)

No, but a steam powered vehicle did hit 127.66 mph in 1906.

I imagine that a steam power vehicle would have a key advantage in acceleration. Simply put, gas powered cars need a gear box. Steam engines do not.

Re:They did cheat a little by stripping it. (1)

Knetzar (698216) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188212)

Hopefully they'll make a gas sipping sports car for people like me soon. Just imagine a Vette that gets 40+ miles per gallon without loseing performance.

Re:They did cheat a little by stripping it. (1)

Duncan3 (10537) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187931)

And you think that's any LESS then your average gearghead does to their car? Or moders do to their PCs?

And you're on Slashdot? Out, OUT with you! We dont want you non-geeks here. Your PC is probably beige too!

Re:They did cheat a little by stripping it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11188126)

Yeah, it's beige, but the waste heat from the peltier is used in water-vaporphase cooling to boil the water for my coffee. Does that count?

130.794 mph (5, Funny)

k4_pacific (736911) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187823)

What, did it go off a cliff?

Many years ago ... (2, Funny)

dougmc (70836) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187826)

... I got my Rabbit Diesel up to 94 mph. Down a steep hill, with a strong tailwind, and lots of time to accelerate. (Normal top speed on flat ground and no wind = 75 mph. 0-60 mph in 45 seconds -- seriously.)

I was quite impressed. (The car, on the other hand, was shaking like mad and generally not happy about things.)

The Prius has a slightly smaller engine (1500 cc vs. 1600 cc) but the Rabbit didn't have an electric motor to help. Also, the Rabbit wasn't modified for speed in any manner, though it _did_ have a `Turbo' button on the dash. (When one pressed it, I pushed on the gas harder, creating a `Turbo' effect of sorts. Great times!)

It would have gone even faster... (1)

Sensible Clod (771142) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187919)

if you'd put it in neutral.

*ducks*

130mph (0, Redundant)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187831)


Just 130? And they don't indicate the acceleration.

My TransAm does at least 160, or at least that's where I bury the speedometer.. I didn't have to strip out the interior, or modify anything..

Ok, ya, I don't get the fuel economy (only 26mpg), but hey, I don't drive far either. The T/A is much safer than that little egg shell though.

Re:130mph (2, Informative)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187865)

acceleration off the line of a Hybrid is much higher than that of a gas only car. the reason is that it is done using the electric motor and EMs have much higher torque which translates into higher rates of acceleration.

Re:130mph (1)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188022)


Ya, I imagine it could be better than a standard car.. I just wonder if it'd keep up with a decent muscle car. :)

This [motortrend.com] is my car. Well, mine is pewter, with the 5 spoke rims, and much stickier tires. Where people spin their wheels, I'm already accelerating away.. Woosh. Oh, and mine has some other tricks under the hood, but we'll keep those quiet til race day.

Now, if it can keep up, or even come close, I'd seriously consider trading my car in..

Higher acceleration? (1)

Firethorn (177587) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188061)

acceleration off the line
I wonder what you mean by "off the line". The more powerfull gas engines are fully capable of spinning the tires for quite a distance down the road from a start. I don't think that a Hybrid is going to be able to beat a trans-am with a decent driver.

An electric car won't be able to accellerate any faster, as it's not the engine that's limiting acceleration, it's the tires.

Re:Higher acceleration? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11188110)

Why would a decent driver be in a Trans-Am?

Higher power to weight ratio (all else being equal) = higher acceleration. Simple as that.

Re:Higher acceleration? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11188146)

No, it's higher traction-to-weight ratio, given enough power. The reason dragsters don't have bigger engines and so forth is that they can break those huge tires free as it is.

Re:Higher acceleration? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11188188)

Dragsters tend to have EXTREMELY powerful engines often with outputs well over a MEGAWATT.

Re:Higher acceleration? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11188174)

Why would a decent driver be in a Trans-Am?

Because the real car is in the shop and that's what the spouce drives?

Re:130mph (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187866)

yeah, but it is stil no Camero... ;)

Re:130mph (1)

Zorilla (791636) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188024)

Yeah, but what is a Camero, anyway?

Re:130mph (1)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188034)


I like the TransAm [motortrend.com] much better. My ex-girlfriend has the '00 Camaro SS. Stock, they were about the same to drive, except when we test drove hers, it still had stock tires, and I already had sticky tires..

The biggest differences were the fact that mine (The TransAm) has the Monsoon sound system. 10 speakers, and a nice radio. Hers had the traction control, but I turn that off as soon as I sit down. It seriously hurts the performance. Lovely for keeping you stuck to a wet road with stock tires, but terrible for hard acceleration.

Gotta love a cute girl that's into muscle cars. Damn, why am I not with her now??

Comparing Dog Shit With Cat Shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11188122)

Because you just made her up?

Re:130mph (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11188074)

(only 26mpg)
...in a Trans Am? In your dreams. 12mpg maybe.

Who Cares? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11187832)

Hybrid isn't worth the price (yet). Who gives a shit if the car can go fast?

Wait (4, Interesting)

The_Mystic_For_Real (766020) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187856)

They didn't mention the statistic the matters much more (to most of us) than top speed, which is acceleration. Very few people ever drive above 85-90, and most driving is done below 60, so being able to go 130 doesn't matter that much.

Where hybrid and pure electric cars really need to improve is the all important ability to get up to speed quickly and smoothly, and it doesn't appear that this car really addressed this critical issue.

Re:Wait (1)

Sensible Clod (771142) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187886)

It seems they used a pusher to get it up to speed, since this was a top-end record they were going for.

Re:Wait (2, Informative)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187949)

Toyota estimates 10.1 seconds to go from 0-60. Which is average or near average.

1993 Hummer 20.2 seconds.

Now which car "has a long way to go" before its ready for the masses?

Re:Wait (1)

karnal (22275) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188041)

Nice.

You're comparing two cars in two highly different classes, which is very misleading.

Tax the bastards out of existence (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11188080)

Oh, since Hummer is "in a different class" it should be treated differently - even if it is a fucking polluting nightmare when compared to just about anything?

Any car using internal combustion should be put under review and heavy environmental taxation these days.

Re:Wait (1)

Firethorn (177587) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188139)

Different market. The Hummer appeals to the people who don't want to stop. So the slow acceleration doesn't matter as much.

Honestly, the Hummer is more of a propaganda issue and limo replacement for the stars. I've only ever seen three in civilian hands. It is a usefull vehicle for the military, park ranger, and other off pavement uses. Otherwise, the newer ones are little different from big SUV's.

It doesn't make much sense for on road usage, and most people with money who bought one for show ended up selling them due to the rough ride.

Re:Wait (2, Informative)

rebelcool (247749) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188032)

But it does dispel the myth that hybrids are necessarily slow.

The hybrids available today have acceleration times comparable to their class of vehicles they compete with. Its a nonissue...

Re:Its a nonissue.. (1)

Technician (215283) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188230)

The hybrids available today have acceleration times comparable to their class of vehicles they compete with.

I have one. I couldn't agree more. My first car was an old VW beetle. It was gutless. Driving in Maine was a challange. I would take a run at hills just to do the limit when I neared the top.

My old AMC Hornet was almost as bad, but with a bigger engine, it did better.

My last car was a 4 cyl Ford Mustang. (OK Mustang Wannabe) It could not keep speed up the hill to where I work a 6.5% grade.

My Toyota has the tightest regulated cruise control of any car I've owned. This applies to hills included. I drive to work with the cruise control set and it doesn't even slow down for the hill.

Passing on the freeway is no problem. If I'm doing 55 Mph and need to pass a truck, I just do it. If I'm not careful I'm pushing 70 in no time.

It's like haveing a second standby engine that kicks in when you need it.

Re:Wait (1)

anthony_dipierro (543308) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188052)

Where hybrid and pure electric cars really need to improve is the all important ability to get up to speed quickly and smoothly

Why would a hybrid be any different at getting up to speed quickly and smoothly? The electric engine isn't used at all when you're accelerating. About the only difference between a hybrid and a traditional car during the 0-60 phase is the extra weight of the battery and second engine, which I would think is rather negligible.

Not quitei (2, Informative)

Sensible Clod (771142) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188151)

Actually, all the articles I've ever read say that the battery *pack* (~100-200 D sized rechargeables) and motor add between 600 and 1000 pounds, depending on which car you're talking about. Furthermore, they said that the electric motor is there specifically for assisting the tiny engine during hard accels. They casually mention that it's also for maintaining speed while cruising so the engine can operate at most efficient RPM, and for regen braking, but they don't make as big a deal about that stuff.

Re:Wait (2, Insightful)

JJahn (657100) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188142)

The electric motors in hybrid cars provide for a much peppier and smoother acceleration, owing to their improving torque over a conventional combustion engine. So why would they need to improve what is already very good? The statistic that really matters right now is price.

Re:Wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11188198)

Maybe they didn't address accelleration, because hybrids already tend to outperform conventional cars, in that regard.

For the General Public: (2, Funny)

RileyLewis (826273) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187859)

230,197.44 Football Fields per hour! Note - American Unit Football Fields (why won't they switch over to the world football standard!)

We need a Formula One series for Electric/Hybrid (4, Interesting)

NZheretic (23872) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187883)

Just as early twentieth century motor racing pushed the development of the automobile, the world desperately needs a world wide racing series for hybrid electric cars.

The fantastic acceleration that in line wheel electric drive can potentialy deliver would make for some very exciting racing.

Racing Hybrids? (1)

Firethorn (177587) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188210)

The problem with racing hybrid vehicles is that those vehicles depend on assumptions for city driving to make their milage gains.

For highway driving, my standard gasoline engine actually gets better mpg than many hybrids. And it cost roughly 50% what a hybrid would of cost. Even at today's prices, that's alot of gas you have to save.

When you're racing, you're not doing stop and go. You might be able to make it work with a twisty enough track requiring large amounts of braking and making it tight enough on fuel that it becomes a conservation game.

But at high sustained speeds, direct gasoline power is more efficient.

Hybrid technology needed a little redneckization.. (4, Informative)

CodeWanker (534624) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187888)

Let's face it, cool car ideas come from people who love cars the way most /.ers love processor overclocking, water-cooling, and case mods. Convincing a wider audience that tweaking a hybrid will make it jump up and dance is never a bad idea.

Of course, as a side note, the industry's approach to hybrid autos is flat out wrong. Railroad trains are very efficient, well-proven hybrid designs: [dieselforum.org] their diesel engines are always running at the most efficient level, and their momentum is provided entirely by electric motors. Tres spiffy.

Re:Hybrid technology needed a little redneckizatio (2, Informative)

NardofDoom (821951) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187988)

Electric motors provide momentum? I would think it would be the total mass of the vehicle x the velocity.

But that's me.

2005 Honda Accord Hybrid... (3, Informative)

cpenner461 (736929) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187898)

...will probably not have a problem meeting or beating this record when it hits the streets. Its got a 255hp V6 that gets 37/29 mpg (highway/city). 2005 Honda Accord Hybrid info [honda.com]

Message for Honda (1)

Sensible Clod (771142) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188166)

DO IT DO IT DO IT! What are ya waiting fer? Christmas?

I can picture it now.... (5, Funny)

Duncan3 (10537) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187903)

The car at the starting point, gas engine reved up and getting louder, charging up the electric system...

A slight yellow glow enveloping the car...

Rocks and dirt flying up in a whirlwind around it...

Driver screaming SUPER HYBRID SPEED WAVE!!! and darting off in a cloud of dust...

Um... this car was Japanese right?

What I love about hybrids (0, Troll)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187918)

a mixture of 1.5 litre petrol engine and an electric motor.

The great thing with the hybrid cars slowly but surely replacing standard cars is that the rice boy scene is likely to disappear, which means no more bumblebee-like 4-banger revving at the red light, no more huge exhaust tip, no more huge hood scoop, and best of all, the full and complete ridiculing of anybody who keeps butchering grocery-getters that way.

And best of all, all these posers might actually stand a chance to get real perfs out of small engines like that with hybrids, with some simple electronic parts or battery swapping.

Re:What I love about hybrids (1)

Icarus1919 (802533) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187979)

Lol, if you think that everyone going to hybrid design is going to stop ricers then you're pretty naive.

Global warming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11188059)

Ricers should be fucking shot.

Anyone driving a car without a good reason (for instance, he/she's single and in good health) should be fucking shot. The polluting cars should be reserved to mass transport and private transportation should be exclusively available to those who REALLY HAVE NO OTHER OPTIONS. If you can walk 2 km, no car for you.

Re:Global warming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11188173)

What if I live 20km from my job, and the nearest bus terminal is on the other side of the job?

I love blanket statements.

"Ricers should be fucking shot." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11188209)

No, that is too easy and painless.

But I do agree that getting their genes out of the pool is essential.

Re:What I love about hybrids (1)

jackganssle (718400) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188158)

I have a 2005 Prius. It's an astonishing car that's only made possible by an array of embedded processors. We're getting 55 MPG when the temps are above 50 and upper 40s otherwise. The technology is something that's available NOW, that works, and that could greatly mitigate our "need" for imported oil. In the USA at least we have an odd quest for performance that hardly matters. 0-60 in a nanosecond... only to hit the brakes and do 60-0 in the same time. The Prius accelerates better than we've ever needed, and I sort of wish for a smaller engine to get even better fuel economy. Even more important than the MPGs is the 1/10 emissions compared to a non-hybrid. 1/10 - think about it. It's a small planet. My kids are teenagers, and I worry for their future in a world where energy may be scarce and the beach laps at the shores of Kansas City. But I can't help but wonder what their MPGs were at 130 mpg... Jack

Re:What I love about hybrids (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11188220)

My hat is off to you, Jack !

Too bad that there aren't more people with a conscience.

I think it might be time for some "monkeywrenching", myself...

A question... (2, Insightful)

Infinityis (807294) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187942)

Might I be so bold as to ask...what did the emissions and fuel consumption look like while driving at 130mph?

Re:A question... (1)

Denver_80203 (570689) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188123)

Yeah.. and did the engine ever flip over to electric? I thought the idea was the gas was used to accelerate and the electic kept momentum going... I bet the car was burning gas right up until they slowed down

Let me be the first to say it.... (4, Funny)

conteXXt (249905) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187968)

130.794 mph should be more than enough for everybody.

(ooops....did I say that?)

My next car is a Prius (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11187983)

Another reason to get a Prius... I've ordered one last month and my dealer should have it by middle of January. I can't wait! Yeah!

Re:My next car is a Prius (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11188095)

Welcome to dullsville. Slower than petrol or Diesel, less efficient than Diesel, more expensive than both.

Good work.

Dullsville? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11188103)

And helping to save the Earth doesn't fit anywhere in your thinking?

Fucking moron.

Re:Dullsville? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11188163)

Exactly how does driving a heavy, slow, petrol powered car crammed with highly polluting batteries that's LESS EFFICIENT THAN A DIESEL help save the Earth?

I had a Skoda Fabia 1.9TDi last week and I got 62mpg driving over to see my dad. Cheaper, lighter and a lot quicker than a Prius.

National Electric Drag Racing Association (3, Informative)

HockeyPuck (141947) | more than 9 years ago | (#11187999)

You should check these guys out...

The drag race pure electric cars/motorcycles...

http://www.nedra.com/ [nedra.com]

Was the electric motor even used? (1)

anthony_dipierro (543308) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188031)

I thought the electric motor only kicked in when you didn't need much power.

Re:Was the electric motor even used? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11188088)

Actually, this is the *worst*case*scenario* for a hybrid. On a long straight road, the electric motor never kicks in and the thing becomes basically a little gas-driven car dragging (and charging) a bunch of batteries, an electric motor, and an unnecessarily complex and inefficient powertrain.

Re:Was the electric motor even used? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Freak (16973) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188137)

For Honda's hybrid systems, yes.

For Toyota's, no.

1. The powertrain is more efficient, and lighter, than a normal cars. (No complex transmission, just a simple Planetary gear.)

2. I know when I'm going down the freeway, I'm not going a perfectly constant 55 mph, nor am I travelling on a perfectly level road. (Only if your power load NEVER changes does the battery system not matter.) Quite often, I'm running on battery power alone, in fact, even at 60+ mph. (My record is going down a very slight incline, I accelerated from 61 to 63 mph on battery power alone. In my gas-only car, 'coasting' in neutral on the exact same stretch, the car settles at 56 mph.)

3. The entire 'hybrid' system adds less than 100 pounds of weight to the car, and from what I've read, the simpler transmission and engine (no alternator, no starter) actually saves about 100 pounds, so it ends up even.

I agree that setting a speed record in a hybrid is silly. But the hybrid components don't cause HARM, either.

Re:Was the electric motor even used? (2, Informative)

The Cisco Kid (31490) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188168)

The electric motor is the only motor that drives the wheels - the gas engine runs a genset that generates the electric. When the car is stopped, the engine shuts down, when you go to drive (and thus use more current), the engine starts as needed.

Think of the nature (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11188035)

Who fucking cares about cars?

Think of the nature. Either walk or bike. Otherwise we'll hit you.

Toyota Priapus (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11188039)

In other news the new Toyota Priapus was the fastest sports car to pickup a chick.

MixedPower has Similar and More Articles (1)

curran (228669) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188056)

The site http://www.mixedpower.com/ [mixedpower.com] also has a similar story at http://www.mixedpower.com/modules.php?name=News&fi le=article&sid=279&mode=thread&order=1&thold=0 [mixedpower.com] as well as additional information on hybrid vehicles. It s worth looking around and checking out the forums as well.

Yes... (1)

killa62 (828317) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188071)

But does it run linux?

Was it Overthruster equipped? (2, Funny)

Graemee (524726) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188083)

I can see it now zipping across the salt flats, Dr. Banzai enables the overthruster and it's through the 8th dimension.

Make sure they check for Red Lectroids in the grill.

Hybrid Synergy Drive power-train (2, Funny)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188093)

Hybrid Synergy Drive power-train???

Does the marketing department have to defile everything an engineer creates?

Re:Hybrid Synergy Drive power-train (1)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188143)

But synergy:
the action of 2 or more agents (e.g., drugs) working together to produce an effect greater than the combined effect of the same agents used separate

So isn't the term "Hybrid Synergy Drive" accurate?

They didn't make up a word, or lie, or misuse the word at all.

The combination of the petrol engine to provide power and the electric motor to provide drive and low speed motoring create a driving experience better than either alone. If that isn't synergy, what is?

Re:Hybrid Synergy Drive power-train (1)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188196)

I suppose it was more of a knee-jerk reaction when I saw that word. It's starting to become the new "para-dig-um" of overused and out of context phrases.

But yes, you are correct. This is the one time the word was used properly.

Potential (2, Interesting)

confusion (14388) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188113)

The reality is that people like fast and powerful cars. Most of the afv/hybrib/electric cars to date have been pretty weak. If someone were to include an adequate amount of battery storage and substantial enough electric motors, your electric/hybrid car could leave just about anything else in the dust, in the quarter mile. It's certainly not going to win endurance races, but how often in real driving conditions do you use the full output potential of your car for more than getting up to highway+ speed.

I know I was certainly sold on the TL because of the power, and I could see going with a hybrid so long as the performance were there.

Jerry
http://www.syslog.org/ [syslog.org]

meanwhile... (1)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 9 years ago | (#11188192)

...GM and all other [American] auto pioneers follow the lead of TOYOTA. Recent product recalls from GM and FORD hammer home the fact that we as Americans are losing our edge!

The best day to day itmems in America are made overseas! Who of slashdotters has a monitor made in USA?

Answer: NONE

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