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Dutch Fine Spammers, AOL Reports Drop in Spam

michael posted more than 9 years ago | from the finger-in-the-dike dept.

Spam 277

teun writes "This morning the Dutch Telecom Authority, responsible for enforcing the anti-spam law in the Netherlands, announced their first two fines for Dutch spammers: 25,000 and 42,500 euros. These fines are based on the anti-spam law that became effective in May this year. Spamvrij.nl is very pleased with these results." gollum123 writes "According to AOL, its subscribers are getting less spam this year. There has been a reduction in both the number of daily email messages to AOL (from 2.1 to 1.6 billion) and in the number of customer complaints about spam." And finally, Saeed al-Sahaf writes "We hear so much about China being the source of spam. But a new study shows China and South Korea as distant second to the United States as the source of spam. Sophos, a leading anti-virus maker has released some findings, which claim that the good old US accounts for almost 42% of spam mails sent out this year, and they chalk it up to lack of security on most desktop computers."

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LOLOMG (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201779)

Re:LOLOMG (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201812)

Shut the fuck up, asspussy.

Lies (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201781)

Damn Lies!

Susan Sonntag dead at 71 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201785)

Susan Sonntag dead at 71 [cnn.com] .

Good riddance to you witch and all the other feminists/feminazis.

You will not be missed.

Very sad... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11202118)

...that it didn't happen fifty years ago.

Feminazis (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11202165)

I'm glad you agree with me.

It was bad fifty years ago, but now the fucking feminazis are everywhere. My son just got divorced and lost his kids to a bitch who's got no job and keeps drinking all the time. But hey, the kids belong to their mother, right?

Re:Susan Sonntag dead at 71 (0)

ItsGottaBeGoatse (844031) | more than 9 years ago | (#11202178)

No no no, you did it all wrong.

I just heard some sad news on CNN. Author/activist Susan Sontag was found dead in her New York home this morning. There weren't anymore details. Even if you didn't enjoy her work, there's no denying her contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

Less subscribers? (3, Insightful)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 9 years ago | (#11201789)

""According to AOL, its subscribers are getting less spam this year. "

Less subscribers = less spam! AOL has found a way to reduce it, for sure: reduce the number of customers through overpricing and degradation of services. This results in fewer inboxes: Viola! Less Spam!

Re:Less subscribers? (-1, Troll)

CK2004PA (827615) | more than 9 years ago | (#11201832)

The good ol US of A is also responsible for tsunami's! What else can we blame them for.....hmmm...asteroids hitting the Earth ?

Re:Less subscribers? (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201887)

The good ol US of A is also responsible for tsunami's! What else can we blame them for.....hmmm...asteroids hitting the Earth ?

How about warmongering and 25% of the world's greenhouse gas emissions (from 5% of the world's population) [alternet.org] for a start dipstick? And you smell bad, too.

Re:Less subscribers? (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 9 years ago | (#11202019)

Hey! You try dragging your 2 ton Hummer SUV and all your matching luggage to your vast array of vacation homes, and not create 5x the amount of polution as everyone else... Come on...

But seriously I'd like to know where the 25% numbers come in, do they factor in trees in said country, because we still have a lot of those! :)

Alternet numbers come from thin air. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11202051)

"But seriously I'd like to know where the 25% numbers come in"

The alternet numbers come from thin air. Alternet is a fringe nutjob opinion site, not known for being very factual. You don't rely on political opinion repositories for any facts (except for the "Facts" of whether someone likes something or not).

Re:Alternet numbers come from thin air. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11202070)

Yeah, that's what you brainwashed republican drones would like to believe... just keep on dreaming about your fabulous future while your precious government is hell-bent on destroying the environment, our civil liberties and our freedoms.

Yes. Everyone is brainwashed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11202156)

' Yeah, that's what you brainwashed republican drones would like to believe '

The brainwashed Republicans are the ones who think numbers from the "Limbaugh Letter" are factual. Now, as for those who have a problem with the fictions presented as fact in Alternet? That's probably 95% of everybody. We're all "Brainwashed" and you are the only one who knows the truth. Forgive us, oh, enlightened one!

' precious government is hell-bent on destroying the environment, our civil liberties and our freedoms '

Shhh. don't tell anyone. John Ashcroft is under your bed. I think you are right about destroying the environment. The sky vanished yesterday.

Re:Alternet numbers come from thin air. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11202169)

Hehehe... OK. OK that was really funny! Can you even prove that guy was a Republican. All he said was that Alternet wasn't a very good source of facts (and he's right!)

But I guess since he isn't blindly accepting every figure you throw out there without citation, he must be a Republican.

Man, you *are* a nutjob!

you are a republican (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11202200)

"All he said was that Alternet wasn't a very good source of facts (and he's right!)"

How could anyone possibly say that unless they were on the Halliburton payroll? You don't fool us. Unless you are brainwashed by the faux news on the corporate media, you know of the Republican agenda of cutting government social spending, destroying the Earth, and getting rid of the Constitution.

Re:Alternet numbers come from thin air. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11202163)

Re:Alternet numbers come from thin air. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11202202)

Alternet is a fringe nutjob opinion site not known for being very factual.

Take that back! It is NOT FOX news!

Re:Less subscribers? (1)

Tim C (15259) | more than 9 years ago | (#11202199)

Don't be a twat. If the evidence supports it, take it like an adult.

Re:Less subscribers? (1)

Pacifix (465793) | more than 9 years ago | (#11201843)

It's funny, but it's also true. I'd imagine you're more likely to get spam on the AOL domain than on some piddling little domain, just by virture of the bots looking out for you.

Re:Less subscribers? (3, Informative)

learn fast (824724) | more than 9 years ago | (#11201902)

Viola?

I think you mean Voila!, a French interjection. A viola is a stringed instrument slightly larger than a violin.

Though Viola! Less Spam! does have a certain ring to it.

Re:Less subscribers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11202097)

viola is also the simple past of violer, at the 3rd person

Wrong. (3, Interesting)

Skynet (37427) | more than 9 years ago | (#11201954)

AOL keeps accounts around long after you leave the service, in the hopes you will one day come back and reactivate. I had an email address there I deleted years ago, only to reactivate it and find I had mail waiting (mostly spam!).

AOL has actually gotten worse? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201973)

degradation of services?

I used AOL back in 2000. They fucked me over, long story, but the point is their browser sucked and their service sucked. I had Opera running on the machine and Erols service at the same time--Erols was super-fast for dialup, and Opera was the shit; AOL browser was fucked up, and the throughput with AOL dialup was about 30% less than Erols AND I would get knocked off the service regularly. Erols only had a service outage ONCE in the year I had them. (And they canceled my service after I moved out of state, as requested, unlike AOLarceny.)

From what I've heard, the new AOL browser is a lot better, the file compression seems like a nice boon for those with newer processors than the old Penty Pro I was using back then, and the customer service is the same (bend over and spread 'em). I've heard less about service disruptions on AOL dialup than I used to--probably due to users switching to broadband (about the same price as AOL or cheaper if you already get cable or overpriced phone service).

I'd really be interested in how AOL is worse than it was in 2000. I don't buy it.

Incidently, the Penty Pro was running an extremely stable build of Win95 SP2 (stable for Win95, that is!) until the HD died. Bought a new used HD on eBay, installed Debian, use it to run OpenOffice (but it's starting to act unstable--probably b/c of excessive use of virtual memory).

In Soviet Russia... (1)

I'm not a script, da (638454) | more than 9 years ago | (#11202043)

...Dutch spammers on AOL are fine for you!

Re:Less subscribers? (1)

Evil Adrian (253301) | more than 9 years ago | (#11202121)

When is the last time you used AOL?

Awesome (1)

Manan Shah (808049) | more than 9 years ago | (#11201791)

Now my AOL email will have only 42,000 spam messages a day, instead of the 162,000.

Re:Awesome (1)

OwlWhacker (758974) | more than 9 years ago | (#11201869)

Shhhhh!

You're not supposed to admit to being an AOL user!

Good news (1)

sabri (584428) | more than 9 years ago | (#11201795)

This is definately good news. Thanks OPTA, finally a useful thing out of you. Now let's hope they get Patrick de Bruin as well.

Internetayatollah's forever :)

fp (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201799)

gnaa pwns j00

Ergo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201807)

"...and they chalk it up to lack of security on most desktop computers."

So it's Microsoft's fault, right? That's what I'm hearing.

Re:Ergo (1)

shokk (187512) | more than 9 years ago | (#11202139)

I'm betting most of the viruses that infect these systems into becoming spam bots in the first place are coming from China.

Re:Ergo (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#11202177)

I'm hearing that a lot of linux newbies are running full blown sendmail servers on their home connections, and don't know how to set them up properly, so they happily allow people to anonymously relay mail through them.

Disgusting! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201815)

It's disgusting when two men kiss!

Nice department. (4, Funny)

lpangelrob2 (721920) | more than 9 years ago | (#11201823)

from the finger-in-the-dike dept.

Surely you jest.

Re:Nice department. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201862)

I'm sure what the OP really meant was finger-in-the-dyke. That would make more sense here on /.

Re:Nice department. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201946)

No, I'm not joking. And don't call me Shirley. (Couldn't resist - sorry).

Re:Nice department. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201985)

At least he didn't spell it with a "y"...

EE's of the world unite! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11202005)

Given that a dike is a kind of wire cutter used by electronics [reference.com]
technicians, that's got to hurt.

Re:Nice department. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11202036)

Dont call me Shirley...unless you mean it.

This is good. But... (4, Interesting)

pummer (637413) | more than 9 years ago | (#11201835)

Are spam crimes really being enforced correctly? Some [theregister.co.uk] would say no. Shouldn't government be focused on combating spam itself by catching each and every spammer, rather than making an example out of a few? It's the same as the RIAA and music; no one worries about getting caught because the odds are so low.

Until we have a centrally-implemented system that tracks every spammer by IP and reports them to ISPs, we won't be making any real progress.

Re:This is good. But... (1)

Pacifix (465793) | more than 9 years ago | (#11201967)

And we're going to pay for that how? And what multinational corporation/government/multigovernment alliance is going to enforce it? A better solution would be to rework the Internet so that it's more costly/difficult to send anonymous, bulk email. A technological soluction, not a governmental/corporate one.

Re:This is good. But... (1)

nbert (785663) | more than 9 years ago | (#11202056)

Until we have a centrally-implemented system that tracks every spammer by IP and reports them to ISPs, we won't be making any real progress.
Do you believe tracking every spammer wouldn't imply tracking just about everybody and everything?

Thanks, I preffer to read my daily spam instead turning the web into '84. It's impossible to catch every spammer, but dragging some of them into court at least lowers the motivation of sending spam in general. If those numbers from AOL are right, then I think it's reasonable to say that we are making progess in fighting spam. My personal (non-AOL) experience correlates with the numbers, btw :)

Re:This is good. But... (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 9 years ago | (#11202057)

Yes, but from what I remember these spammers were not so much charged with spam as they were charged with fraud. Frauding hundreds of people out of millions of dollar is going to get you a long time in the pokey.

Re:This is good. But... (3, Interesting)

RealAlaskan (576404) | more than 9 years ago | (#11202116)

Are spam crimes really being enforced correctly?

Would it matter if they were?

The real problem is the companies which are willing to pay spammers to spam. When advertising your product via spam is illegal, spam will be a thing of the past. Yes, there would be joe-jobs, but our legal system is quite capable of dealing with that sort of thing. They manage to deal with that problem for all of our other criminal laws, to give you an example.

Outlawing advertising via spam would mean that the company which wants your money, and has to be accessible to take orders, would face fines and jail time for officers if they spammed. Soon, only the outright frauds would be willing to take that kind of risk, and even the idiots would eventually stop sending money to spammers who never actually sent penis enlargement pills.

Finger? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201838)

from the finger-in-the-dike dept

WTF? Since this is Slashdot, it's more like finger-in-the-ass dept...

Re:Finger? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201916)

You mean "head-in-the-ass" don't you?

Head in the ass? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201951)

Well, if you like doing the goatse or like extreme fisting in general...

well where will I get my (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201851)

male enhancement, low mortgage, jenny webcam, nigerian amigos from????

Sounds good... (2, Insightful)

Sheetrock (152993) | more than 9 years ago | (#11201852)

Does anybody know what 25,000 and 42,500 euros works out to in real cash? They can face millions of dollars and jail time here in the U.S., and I seem to recall a fax spammer getting a $5 million fine not too far back.

As long as they can rake in more cash than they pay out, fines are useless.

Re:Sounds good... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201901)

So Euros are pretend cash?

Re:Sounds good... (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 9 years ago | (#11201930)

No, just a bad translation really.

There's only one real cash and it's not euro (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201935)

Just wait and see what happens.

How's your economy doing at the present? How do you like the 1.35:1 rate for $:euro? We're gonna bury you, eurowussies.

Re:Sounds good... (1)

sachar (620132) | more than 9 years ago | (#11201906)

1 euro = 1.39 dollar

Re:Sounds good... (1)

erik_norgaard (692400) | more than 9 years ago | (#11201918)

Multiply by 1.36 to get USD.

While SPAM is really anoying there seems to be lack of proportion between the fines or penalties compared to other crimes. SecurityFocus has a column on that:

http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/287

Re:Sounds good... (1)

Homology (639438) | more than 9 years ago | (#11201953)

Does anybody know what 25,000 and 42,500 euros works out to in real cash?

I think that the Europeans feel that their salary is real enough, even if it's paid in Euro.....

Taxation and no representation for eurowussies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201994)

Yeah, it feels real enough - until they get taxed 60% out of it.

And what're you gonna do when the good old nanny-state hikes the rate up to 70-100%? Revolution? Ooops... throwing rocks at those government tanks is not really working out. Maybe we shouldn't have given up our right to bear arms...

Re:Taxation and no representation for eurowussies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11202198)

I hear your government has helicopters with over-the-horizon missiles and hoards of troops with fully automatic weapons. A hunting rifle won't take out a helicopter that's hovering over the next county. Maybe you should demand the right to own a cruise missile.

It doesn't actually matter whether the citizens are armed, although I applaud the caution of the framers at the time they were writing. It turns out that if everyone fucking hates you, all the helicopters, missiles and guns in the world won't help. The soldiers are people too, and if you shout "Guards, kill those peasants" and they point the guns at you instead the game is up.

Income taxes in the EU vary, I personally pay less than 30% income tax and when I was _poor_ I didn't pay any income tax at all, because my government (unlike yours) thinks it makes sense to help poor people rather than trying to kill them or hide them under the rug. I don't like them very much, for various reasons, but I'd comfortably claim that my country has never in living memory been run so badly as yours. Only vast natural resources and a lot of luck have kept you out of the poor house these past few decades.

Re:Sounds good... (1)

remmy1978 (307916) | more than 9 years ago | (#11202181)

What good is a $5 million fine when the spammer can't even pay a $50,000 one? At some point the punishment seems to lack a base in reality. A fine that someone can pay and recover from will serve a better lesson to them than a 'nothing to lose' scenario.

Less Spam? (1)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 9 years ago | (#11201858)

LOL LMAO ROTFL.

If it weren't for Spamassassin I'd give up on email.

Sources of spam (1)

jridley (9305) | more than 9 years ago | (#11201870)

I bet non-US sources are probably still the biggest source if you count operations that are knowingly in the business of sending spam, and the majority of the US sources are from zombie armies of owned home computers.

Re:Sources of spam (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201923)

You misspelled "pwned".

HTH.

Re:Sources of spam (1)

cmowire (254489) | more than 9 years ago | (#11201942)

My personal suspicion is that the people spending the money have *always* been distributed between the US and the rest of the world in roughly the same way. It's just a game of what's the best way to get your spam in people's mailboxes. It started out that the best way was open STMP relays, then it changed the chinese rackspace, now it's a constantly shifting collection of zombie machines because the chinese rackspace is too blackholable and the open relays have been closed.

It's just hard to track things back to the source. Which is half the problem of spam laws....

Thanks America... (1)

ZSpade (812879) | more than 9 years ago | (#11201875)

"We hear so much about China being the source of spam. But a new study shows China and South Korea as distant second to the United States"

The can spam act has done nothing but help legitimize a previously shady trade. Now that people know the rules, and how to bend them, spammers are popping up all over the states. I suppose what "Can Spam" really meant was to Can it, so it's easier to ship out.

Re:Thanks America... (3, Interesting)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#11202045)

RTFA, the spammers aren't in america, the zombied boxes they use to relay spam are.

No doubt windows in Korea or China is just as insecure, but does the average housewife in Korea have a 3.6ghz P4 with a gig of RAM and 120 gig HDD?

Plus, most of Asia has been RBTL'ed by now, no point in spamming from compromised Korean box.

I think that given sheer amount of insecure PCs with respectable specs in US, that are connected 24/7, the list makes alot of sense.

PS, upon re-reading, Sophos also includes Worms and trojans in their statistic, many big email worms have exploited a bug only exists in the US version of OE, IIRC, so now the list makes even more sense.

Explain something to me, please. (-1, Flamebait)

TrollBridge (550878) | more than 9 years ago | (#11201885)

Why is it that when governments enforce copyright laws, people piss and moan about the other more important things they should be focusing on, but then cheer when the government focuses on something as trivial as spam?

Re:Explain something to me, please. (1)

tgeller (10260) | more than 9 years ago | (#11201909)

Your name is apt: I can only assume this is a troll.

Re:Explain something to me, please. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201917)

You could assume that, or you could answer the question.

Re:Explain something to me, please. (1)

Megaweapon (25185) | more than 9 years ago | (#11201977)

Why, because he points out the general Slashdot concensus that copyright violation isn't really a crime (unless it's a GPL violation which of course worse than mass murder), yet spam is treated like the personal demon spawn of Satan? Troll or not, he makes a point.

Fucking shill (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11202031)

Somebody find out the IP of this shill and let's mailbomb them out of existence!

I'd like you to give the Slashdot community rational arguments for why copyright is a good thing. Can't do that? Well, fucking stop posting here.

Someone pee in your Wheaties this morning? (1)

Megaweapon (25185) | more than 9 years ago | (#11202088)

I'd like you to give the Slashdot community rational arguments for why copyright is a good thing. Can't do that? Well, fucking stop posting here.

What the bloody heck are you talking about? I never said it was a good thing. I'm simply pointing out the nonchalant attitude around here regarding things like mp3/movie distribution over p2p (oh come on, lots of you do it). Spam sucks, sure, but there are ways to deal with it that don't require massive government intervention. A better security mentality (particularly among windows users) alone will decrease spam.

Re:Someone pee in your Wheaties this morning? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11202106)

While better windows security may help.. The only true way to stop spam is to remove the geneva convention and capture all spammers as prisoners of war and torture them.. Then when they leave their earthly bodies behind, satan can continue the job (as all spammers go to hell)

Re:Someone pee in your Wheaties this morning? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11202117)

nonchalant attitude around here regarding things like mp3/movie distribution over p2p

Yes? And? There's no such thing as IP so I don't quite understand your "nonchalant attitude" comment.

Re:Someone pee in your Wheaties this morning? (1)

Megaweapon (25185) | more than 9 years ago | (#11202143)

There's no such thing as IP so I don't quite understand your "nonchalant attitude" comment.

I'd love to see you try that line in a courtroom. So you're another of the "only the laws I like apply" types. This mentality is a dime a dozen around here.

Re:Explain something to me, please. (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11202044)

You're an idiot.

Copyright infringement shouldn't be a crime in my opinion - the reason I would scream bloody murder when the GPL on some software I've written would be infringed is because if I were to infringe the copyright of the gpl-infringer (typically an unscrupulous corporation), they'd try to sue me into bankruptcy.

I would honestly have no grief with someone who didn't obey the GPL, but could never enforce copyrights (== censoright) on others.

Remember the FSF party line "Without copyright, the GPL would be unenforceable - It would also be unnecessary".

Re:Explain something to me, please. (1)

Megaweapon (25185) | more than 9 years ago | (#11202125)

Perhaps, but then again I'm not terribly interested in the party line of an organization that does as much as they can to assimilate other people's work under their holy GNU banner (the whole "Oh, you should really call it GNU/Linux" mentality).

UCE is theft of resources (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11202048)

Maybe, smartass, it's because spam STEALS resources (CPU cycles, bandwidth) from others for a profit, whereas non-profit copyright violation (including that once considered "fair use"--thanks, DMCA) only impinges upon imaginary profits which the IP holders may or may not have been able to collect on.

Re:UCE is theft of resources (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11202091)

So all the CPU cycles, bandwidth and other costs related to developing software (such as MY TIME!) are imaginary and that I should not seek compansation for it!?

Fucking fruitcake. I'm hoping that your GPL-crap gets declared unconstitutional like slavery it is.

Re:UCE is theft of resources (1)

Megaweapon (25185) | more than 9 years ago | (#11202108)

Sure it's a theft of resources. Who is denying this?

I deny it (1)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 9 years ago | (#11202175)

"Sure it's a theft of resources. Who is denying this?"

The word "theft" means something. Spam certainly does not meet the definition. Nor does unauthorized copying of digitial music files. Just because it is bad does not mean it is theft.

Re:Explain something to me, please. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201931)

Because Slashbots want their free music, movies and warez, but can't be bothered to set up a half-decent mail server that blocks 80% of all spam at the MTA/RBL level (since they haven't a clue how to do so to begin with). Also, it takes time out of their Anime watching and pretending to be l33t hackers.

Re:Explain something to me, please. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201940)

I consider spam to be worse than terrorism, id rather die than get spam

Asshole (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201966)

Have some respect for the 3000 who died on 9/11 before making idiotic and insensitive comments such as that!

Re:Asshole (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11202003)

Have some respect for me I, I get like 2000 spam emails a day.. That affects me.. They should take back half the soldiers in iraq and have them dedicated to catching and fighting spammers

Re:Asshole (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11202189)

It always cracks me up to see "Social Darwinist" dipshits come down on people for insensitivity about 9/11. Too bad those people were murdered, but in the scheme of things 9/11 is pretty close to zilch on the tragicometer.

So buck up big boy - your monkey in a cowboy hat is gonna run the nation for 4 more years and I'm sure he will get revenge on all the bad people for you and you can go back to sneering about collateral damage and survival of the fittest.

How is Spam defined? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201914)

What is the legal definition of spam? I'm getting lots of spam from something called Ads by Goooogle in Web sites that I visit, and I'd like it stopped.

Re:How is Spam defined? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201944)

STFU.

Re:How is Spam defined? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201986)

It's always good to hear the viewpoint from employees of the offending company.

OBVIOUS. (4, Informative)

sethadam1 (530629) | more than 9 years ago | (#11201950)

AOL reports a drop in spam because they falsely classify REAL messages as spam! Most network admins I know have had to deal with AOL at one time or another. They are pretty strict for a large ISP: they require valid rDNS records, last I checked, for one, and many times have my parents (stubborn AOL'ers) found legitimate mail in their spam folder).

In my company, one blocked false positive is considered a mortal sin. Report less spam doesn't mean you are great at blocking it, it might mean you're just too damn aggressive at fighting it.

550 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11202085)

If AOL is so strict, why can't they check the originating IP of an email before spewing erroneous Bounce messages?

Re:OBVIOUS. (4, Insightful)

fimbulvetr (598306) | more than 9 years ago | (#11202159)

Personally, I don't see any harm in AOL forcing you to adhere to standards.
In fact, I love it. Most internet problems stem from people not adhereing to standards, such as using ip adresses as MX records, not using a fqdn on an ehlo, or not listening to (550|450).

Despite AOL sucking donkey balls, they have contributed to making the internet a better place in some ways.

Noshit Americans are first :/ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11201957)

"which claim that the good old US accounts for almost 42% of spam mails sent out this year, and they chalk it up to lack of security on most desktop computers."

"lack of security" : read "dumb"

Perfect filter (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11202014)

Thanks Opta now i can set my spam filter to mark Dutch mail as good and all English mail as spam.

But how do I convince friendly foreigners to send their messages to me in Dutch only?

Time to blacklist the US (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11202022)

I don't know about you, but I'm going to blacklist this new country full of lawless spammers and ISP's that don't care...just like I did with China and Mexico!!1

Zombies (4, Insightful)

confusion (14388) | more than 9 years ago | (#11202033)

If you match up the extremely determined spammers, millions of really incompentent cable modem/dsl users and the roughly 234987234745 ways to get malware onto a computer, it is no wonder that the US is #1.

What's more surpsing is that ISP's have not done more to stop being the source of spam (ala blocking port 25 outbound).

Jerry
http://www.syslog.org/ [syslog.org]

Re:Zombies (2, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#11202167)

What's more surpsing is that ISP's have not done more to stop being the source of spam (ala blocking port 25 outbound).

No, it's not surprising at all. If my ISP started blocking destination ports arbitrarily I'd drop them in a heartbeat.

AOL CD's/Floppys (0, Offtopic)

Shadow_139 (707786) | more than 9 years ago | (#11202050)

Are the crap load of Cd's and Floppy the AOL has sent out Worldwide not worse then spam you and filter?!?

http://www.joke-archives.com/aol/aoldisk.html/ [joke-archives.com]
http://homepages.newnet.co.uk/martynarnold/armour. htm/ [newnet.co.uk]
http://homepages.newnet.co.uk/martynarnold/beermat .htm/ [newnet.co.uk]
http://www.aolmemorabilia.com/qlink.html/ [aolmemorabilia.com]



Mmmmmm Beer...,


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-Happy Noodle Boy

USA Computers users are uneducated? (2, Interesting)

Mr. Cancelled (572486) | more than 9 years ago | (#11202128)

I find this quote particularly interesting:

"...which claim that the good old US accounts for almost 42% of spam mails sent out this year, and they chalk it up to lack of security on most desktop computers."

So is this saying that there's a larger percentage of users in the USA than elsewhere, thus we are responsible for more unprotected PC's, just based on having more users?

Or is it saying that American users tend to be ignorant on security, and PC-education, as opposed to the rest of the world?

Three things.... (1, Troll)

slashname3 (739398) | more than 9 years ago | (#11202171)

First, good going, if it's true.

Any reduction in spam is good.

Second, if you want to cut delivery of spam down by 90% to 98% get all ISP's to implement greylisting and spamassassin and block port 25 (but provide an easy way for users to request port 25 be opened if they want to run an email server).

Third, track down the dolts that buy from spam messages and permenately take them off the Internet. If the spammers can not make money from these dolts they will have to go get a real job. (to track the dolts down send out spam and wait foor them to reply, go to their homes and cut their power and take their computers away. Get the ISPs to refuse to provide them connectivity.)

Has anyone thought of.... (1)

Vash_066 (816757) | more than 9 years ago | (#11202204)

I've read a few theories about asteroids being able to carry bacteria. Have the thought about what some alien strain might do to us once it's unleashed? Are they going to sterilize the rocks when they bring them back down?
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