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Feds Convict Warez Dealer

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the sympathy-glands-are-quite-dry dept.

The Courts 560

XaviorPenguin writes "News.com.com.com has a story that says the DoJ has '...landed its first conviction against an American defendant trapped via Operation Fastlink, a multinational law enforcement effort undertaken against online software piracy. The U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Iowa said that Jathan Desir, 26, of Iowa City, has pleaded guilty to charges related to his role in a criminal enterprise that distributed pirated software, games, movies and music over the Internet.' Desir is the first conviction that Operation Fastlink has done. He will possibly serve up to 15 years in prison when his sentencing is in March 18, 2005. Previous Slashdot articles are included here(1), here(2), and most recently here(3)."

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hy (-1, Troll)

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Re:hy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11204915)

Dear rolloffle,

You seem to have a lot of drive and enthusiasm, which is obviously not finding a productive outlet, have you thought about getting some part-time work in IT? Perhaps try doing some volunteer work!

Maybe you've not yet graduated and are going through that 'difficult' stage. Girls don't seem to like you, the sporty kids bully you. We've all been there, it'll pass. The simple fact that is girls mature faster than boys.

In a few years, you'll look back on these days and laugh! :)

Anyway, take care.

AC.

Alright (5, Insightful)

OverlordQ (264228) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204590)

Queue "Rapists get less time" posts. If you think this is unfair punishment, lobby your congressmen, complaining about in on /. will accomplish slightly less then nothing.

Re:Alright (5, Insightful)

networkBoy (774728) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204614)

True, but I don't know that the punishment is unjust. It partially depends on where he is incarserated. I realise this is a long sentance, but he did pirate quite a bit of software.
This is not a troll, it is a point ov view from someone in the Tech industry.
-nB

Re:Alright (4, Insightful)

Restil (31903) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204862)

He hasn't been sentenced yet. You're looking at the maximum, which is rarely given, especially for a first offense. And since he plea bargained, it'll likely be significantly less than the maximum.

-Restil

It's not that it's not fair... (5, Insightful)

purduephotog (218304) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204634)

... it's just scary.

In one case you've destroyed an individual- taken his/her dignity, the right to be safe, the very 'temple' of his/her body with a violent act such as rape.

In another, we have little bits of signal that have 'more' importance than the afore mentioned victim.

I have always been cynical and said everything comes down to money- religion, lawyers, corporations- it all revolves around that little dollar sign.

But when you hear about someone getting locked away for 15 years (sorry Kevin) ... it's just another world.

And it scares me.

Re:It's not that it's not fair... (-1, Troll)

the angry liberal (825035) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204980)

Once purduephotog gets off his soap box, we will need to remind him of the parent post. There is nothing "Insightful" about repeating the first post.

One must ask himself: If I cared so much, why don't I do something to make a change? Write a congressman, get into local politics, take up a career in law? Anything? No, I think I will karma whore by mentioning Mitnik on /. ;)

Re:Alright (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11204718)

Truth be told, one might get less time in jail for physically assaulting our congress persons.

But seriously...

Individuals lobbying congress will never acheive anything. You need a political group (EFF anyone?) that has political clout in numbers and can play the politics game on that level.

Even that maybe fruitless. One would have to have backing and understanding by mainstream media or an enlightened political leader to take up the cause which won't happen anytime soon. Unless of course computer geeks everywhere formed their own political party and marched on Washington.

Hey. It could happen.

Not sentenced yet (2, Insightful)

n1ywb (555767) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204731)

He has not been sentenced yet, the key is "up to" 15 years. Maybe he does deserve it, I don't know. You really can't compare software piracy to rape. The law's point of view (not necessarily mine) is that the individual caused tremendous financial harm to the affected companies, which in turn harms it's employees, shareholders, and customers.

Violent rapists should obviously be punished severely. But what about cases where both individuals were drunk but it's somehow the man's fault because the woman was too drunk to say no?

Anyway you just can't compare the two.

Re:Not sentenced yet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11204819)

yeah because if he wasnt around i would have bought photoshop, windows, etc photoshop is like $500.. i dont think ive ever SEEN $500.. thats more than my life savings (which is $0, so even if adobe sold ps for $1 it would be a ripoff.. although maybe id find some quarters in the couch and buy it)

Re:Not sentenced yet (4, Interesting)

failedlogic (627314) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204855)

If impariment gets less time in conviction for violent crimes, then using the same logic, distributing files on the Internet while under the influence should have a lesser penalty as well.

Re:Not sentenced yet (3, Interesting)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204856)

Anyway you just can't compare the two.

Absolutely. Property crimes should never be equated with crimes against a person. There simply is no property crime that warrants incarceration. There are too many alternatives that are much more effective, but they never seem to satisfy the hunger for revenge. Again, only dangerous people should be locked away. Big money says otherwise.

My Complaints to Congress (2, Informative)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204791)

Have gone unanswered. What you dont realize is that 'elected officals' only listen to people that are worthy of their time. ( i.e. people or corporations that can 'donate' huge amounts to their campaigns... ) The little people dont count anymore. Have not for a LONG time. And in this fight, the *AA has the bigger pot....

Re:My Complaints to Congress (1)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204854)

What you dont realize is that 'elected officals' only listen to people that are worthy of their time. ( i.e. people or corporations that can 'donate' huge amounts to their campaigns... )

Or, in my case, are registered in their party. I lived for eighteen years in a district controlled by the opposite party and asked for help several times. Not once did I even get a reply. Now, I've moved to a different district, controlled by the same party and am getting the same lack of response. I'm not naming which party, because it doesn't matter. I'm sure there are congrisscritters in my party that are just as partisan in their day-to-day dealings with their "constituants."

MICHAEL SIMMS EATS SPOONFULLS OF POODLE CUM! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11204593)

WHAT A FAG

Re:MICHAEL SIMMS EATS SPOONFULLS OF POODLE CUM! (0, Offtopic)

the_mad_poster (640772) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204919)

At least he has the manners to use the proper utensils.

Get some culture!

News.com.com.com? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11204596)

News.com.com.com?

Re:News.com.com.com? (2, Funny)

El_Servas (672868) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204732)

He suffers of stuttering.

He didn't do anything wrong! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11204598)

It'll be interesting to see how the majority of posters in this thread will take this stance.

He didn't do anything wrong. He was sticking it up to the man. There is no such thing as intellectual property. He didn't steal from anyone (no, but he did infringe other people's copyright!).

Whatever. You're just sad, pathetic people.

Good (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11204602)

He was a criminal. Criminals belong in jail. Hope someone takes advantage if his 'holes', if you get my dritft.

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11204966)

I'm sure they'll be finding new exploits every day...

Good job (-1, Troll)

2MuchC0ffeeMan (201987) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204605)

this is exactly the same information as we had yesterday. We just have to wait for sentencing in March.

-2MCM

Slashdot's in for business not for news (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11204637)

this is exactly the same information as we had yesterday

Can't let such a good opportunity to be wasted. After all, an article like this will bring in hundreds of outraged posts complaining about how infringing on other peoples' copyright should be OK and how the feds are oppressing us.

Kudos to Taco for having a good business sense.

Re:Slashdot's in for business not for news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11204908)

Yes but, who is oppressing the FEDS?!

Think about it.

Warez "Dealer"?? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11204613)

Why go with "warez" but eschew the customary "d00d"?

Re:Warez "Dealer"?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11204755)

Anyway USDoJ 0wnZ0rs DoD

LOL!!111one!one

Re:Warez "Dealer"?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11204881)

DoD Warez my depleted uranium!

Re:Warez "Dealer"?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11204781)

Aparently Slashcode burped at having a symetrical word in the title... something about rendering in Firefox, I didn't read the entire report, I was too busy.

Er... (1, Redundant)

Tasy (410890) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204621)

Is it just me, or does a possible 15 years in prison seem a bit harsh for a pirate? I know, I know, he cause who knows how much damage in money but he didn't rape someone. Hell, people who rape get less time in prison.

This is just a scare conviction, an example to those who pirate. Beware! ...Or you'll sit next to Bubba, the convicted butt pirate.

Re:Er... (1)

tadd (51292) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204675)

... but if you allow this "piracy" to continue, "THE TERRORISTS HAVE WON!"

Re:Er... (1)

Restil (31903) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204916)

The maximum sentence for rape is life. The maximum sentence here is 15 years. Both cases tend to get less than the maximum, especially for first time offenders. Federal sentences aren't subject to parole, and tend to have larger fines and more restitution attached, but the prisons are generally nicer and safer for the inmates. Rapists may get a shorter sentence, but they have to deal with lots of other inmates who are much larger than they are and tend to frown on rapists.

-Restil

LOL good one (-1, Offtopic)

koreaman (835838) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204626)

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Wow. Up to 15 years. (3, Insightful)

Dirtside (91468) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204633)

Fifteen years for distributing data. The jail time for violent crimes must be way longer than that!

What? What's that, you say? You can be in prison for less than a year for beating the shit out of another human being?

Something is terribly wrong with this system.

Re:Wow. Up to 15 years. (5, Interesting)

Samurai Cat! (15315) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204699)

Well, it doesn't cost (in theory) millions of dollars to fix some jackass's face after a well-deserved ass-whuppin'.

They're basing the punishment on the (theoritical) cost of the crime. They mentioned the value of the pirated stuff at $50mil. That's quite a lot of money - hence quite a lot of software to be pirating.

What they DON'T really mention, as far as I saw, was whether this guy was putting up stuff for download, or was actually *selling pirated software*. If the former, the punishment should be far far FAR more lenient. But of course, the software lobby wouldn't look at it that way.

Reminds me of Operation Sundevil back in the 80's. Three guys in the Legion of Doom (one of which I met shortly after he got released) got sent to the pokey over that E911 document. The baby bell claimed the document was valued at some ginormous amount - and the way they reached that figure? They counted the costs of all the computers, etc. that were used to create the document. Meaning, if one employee opened that document and made one tiny change, they decided that that document was worth however much it was *plus* the cost of the computer or terminal that was used by that guy. Insane!

Re:Wow. Up to 15 years. (1)

Telastyn (206146) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204779)

"Up to"

Given that he allocuted, I'd bet he'll get far less for playing ball with the feds [and likely far far less if he's ratting out his fellow warez buddies].

Re:Wow. Up to 15 years. (1)

drakethegreat (832715) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204802)

Indeed. For simply distributing something that someone else created without letting them get their money is worth 15 years for some reason. Someone can be arrested for cocaine, beat their wife, have sex with animals, or steal the equivalent amount of copyrighted materials from a store and still not get as many years in prison... So according to US law and most laws in other nations, one can steal all this stuff and keep it to himself, and get off with less jail time then someone who simply gets a copy that was already stolen and allows others to steal it from him... Confusing yes but then again remember how long congress takes to care about something. Also remember that when money is involved people drop logic and morals and think about how they can save their cash flows.

Re:Wow. Up to 15 years. (1)

computerme (655703) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204806)

read the first post.

when you have taken his advice please report back.

until then....

Re:Wow. Up to 15 years. (4, Insightful)

Monkelectric (546685) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204951)

Something is terribly wrong with this system.

Not if you're the one running it. Rapists: not a threat to your empire. People breaking laws which make you rich: a threat.

Violence is more acceptable in USA (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11204969)

Violence is simply more acceptable than depriving someone of revenue in the USA, and it shows.

Dupe (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11204642)

Only on /. do dupes include links to previous versions.

The genie is out of the bottle... (5, Insightful)

sgant (178166) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204643)

I see this going the way of the "war on drugs" in the way they jail people...but is this really going to stop the flow of mp3's or software or movies? I mean, do they REALLY think they're going to stop this now that the genie is out of the bottle?

Perhaps, they should re-think their distribution methods on how they receive payment for their work/art.

I don't have the answers or even a suggestion...but jailing people left and right certainly isn't working on drug use...why do they think it will work here?

That's because (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11204677)

Violent cimes-- the ones that really matter-- tend to be crimes that lend you in state prison. State prisons are overstuffed so if you go in, you get out on parole in a fraction of the time you were sentenced for.

Crimes against property and society, like running a web server or giving someone drugs, tend to be felonies. Federal prison == no parole.

Re:The genie is out of the bottle... (1)

tedu (647286) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204814)

i haven't yet met anyone who was addicted to mp3s. it's pretty easy to stop to downloading. additionally, there's a lot of money to be made selling drugs. there appears to be less money to be made uploading mp3s to p2p.

Re:The genie is out of the bottle... (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204865)

I dont see datalords making millions from smuggling Mp3s into the US from Columbia. I dont see crackdens making money from people high on music. In the war on drugs, theres a low risk/reward ratio, a fair amount of risk of being caught for a LOT of monetory reward. With Copyright Infringement, theres a high risk/reward ratio. You stand to make very little out of copyright infringement, but you stand to loose a LOT in either money or freedom when you go to jail. That is why this is nothing like the war on drugs.

Re:The genie is out of the bottle... (1)

sgant (178166) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204895)

But they're so easy to get. They're still easy to get. Yes, the war on drugs is a different thing, but I'm saying the "war" itself is futile on both fronts.

Again, the genie is out of the bottle. They're scrambling to put it back...hence this "war" they've started. But I don't see them winning this unless they change their way of thinking.

My analogy of using the war on drugs is in the "war" part. They more they fight it, the easier it is to get. The price of heroin has fallen in a huge way from where it was in the 70's...AND it's a much purer form.

So yeah, this is a lot like the war on drugs...sorry, but it is.

The [Crimminal] is out of the bottle... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11204897)

"I don't have the answers or even a suggestion...but jailing people left and right certainly isn't working on drug use...why do they think it will work here?"

Yeah! And why do people think that jailing crimminals (murderers, rapist, oklahoma city bombers, etc) is going to stop people from being crimminals? What's up with that?

Re:The [Crimminal] is out of the bottle... (1)

sgant (178166) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204937)

Yeah! And why do people think that jailing crimminals (murderers, rapist, oklahoma city bombers, etc) is going to stop people from being crimminals? What's up with that?

Ah, thanks...was waiting for the person that throws this totally ridiculous statement out there.

So a kid that smokes a joint or downloads an MP3 and is caught is the same as a murderer? A rapist? LOCK HIM UP!

Also, you forgot to throw in the idiotic "I don't feel like walking today so I'm just going to steal this car" non-sense.

Re:The genie is out of the bottle... (1)

Restil (31903) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204973)

No, it won't stop the flow, but it will restrict the flow to other "safer" mediums. P2P software and networks make it very easy for the copyright owner and/or representitives to amass a large quantity of evidence against a large number of infringers within a short period of time. They can spend a small amount of effort and money investing in an evidence collection method that's virtually automated. If they had to make the same effort for each individual person they go after, it wouldn't be worth it, even as a deterrant. Which is incidently why this sort of thing has been a rare occurance until recently.

-Restil

I can't believe people are still using warez... (2, Insightful)

bennomatic (691188) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204658)

I understand the draw, with software being so expensive, but with all the spyware, viruses, and malware in general, it's just amazing that people will download totally unverifiable executables in this day and age.

Of course, people are still having unprotected sex, too.

Re:I can't believe people are still using warez... (1)

sgant (178166) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204747)

well, spyware, viruses and malware can all be detected before installing the software...plus if they're distributing it via a torrent, then there are other people down the line that would alert everyone that it's bad. Is this foolproof? No. But it works most of the time. But it's also a risk many are willing to take.

Also, people do have unprotected sex...why? Because what is the cut-off? What if you're dating someone for a few months...do you still wear a condom? Get married and still wear one? HIV can lay dormant for quite some time...get a test? What if it comes back a false negative? Which happens you know. Hmmm...better not get rid of that condom then. Can you REALLY trust your wife? What if she has a quick affair and get's HIV? You have no way of knowing! Never ever ever take that condom off!

While we're at it, I think everyone should wear a helmet 24/7! Look how many lives can be saved by just wearing a helmet in everything you do. How many people die each year from slipping the the bath-tub? Dr. Atkins would still be alive today if he had been wearing his helmet! Auto fatalities could be cut down if everyone wore a helmet...along with a seat-belt and airbags.

Or else we could just lighten up a tad.

Re:I can't believe people are still using warez... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11204931)

"HIV can lay dormant for quite some time...get a test? What if it comes back a false negative? Which happens you know. Hmmm...better not get rid of that condom then."

To correct your wrong, no HIV doesn't 'lay dormant'. Once you are infected, you will get results within a couple of weeks at most.

Very few false negatives.

This whole myth came about when the studies on AIDS/HIV were done on a group of homosexuals that had claimed to be giving up sex or 'going straight'. The statements were given that they weren't having sex and these guys claimed they hadn't had sex for months / years but in fact were engaging in anonymous sex quite a bit 'off the record'.

As such, the whole idea that HIV lays dormant was born. Of course you can live without it being visible, but the tests can tell for cases even a week old. A recent outbreak in the porn industry had 2 performers testing positive less than two weeks from their stunt. Another refused to test for a couple more weeks (after something similar to the above -- claiming she had been tested several times and being negative, but then coming out that she had only taken the one final test after being told the actor she worked with was positive).

Sorry, but I hate when folks perpetuate this myth. It is off topic, and should be modded such. Thus the anonymous post.

Re:I can't believe people are still using warez... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11204972)

To correct your wrong...HIV can lay dormant for quite some time. Once you're infected...you will get the results in a few weeks while true kind of falls away when YOU DON'T GET TESTED. Wow, argument go bye-bye.

How many HIV tests have you gotten? Every time you've had sex? EVERY time?

Also you said "very few false negatives"...which means there are a few false negatives...so they DO happen.

Again, your argument is null if you don't get tested every week. It only holds up if you're tested all the time. All the time. Or wear a condom all the time. All the time....but are condoms 100%?

Sorry, but I hate when folks who have no idea of what they're fucking talking about spout off with something when they should have just shut up and moved on. Thus the anonymous post.

Re:I can't believe people are still using warez... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11204940)

Of course, people are still
having unprotected sex, too.

This is /. such a statement does not compute.

Too eXtreme for /. (0, Offtopic)

RileyLewis (826273) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204665)

I was hoping that we as a society was passed the "add an X or Z to something to make it sound exciting" phase in our development. 1. Fire 2. Agriculture 3. Industry 4. IT 5. eXtreme 6. Time-travelling Deloreans 7. Rise of the Machines 8. Rise of the ancient Old Ones 9. ??? 10. Profit?

Re:Too eXtreme for /. (1)

RileyLewis (826273) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204692)

I was hoping that we as a society was passed the "add an X or Z to something to make it sound exciting" phase in our development.

1. Fire
2. Agriculture
3. Industry
4. IT
5. eXtreme
6. Time-travelling Deloreans
7. Rise of the Machines
8. Rise of the ancient Old Ones
9. ???
10. Profit?

LOLzors, I appear to have made a formatting error. This should fix it.

Hmmm (1)

UnixRawks (705739) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204666)

From warez pirate to butt p1rat3 in 15 years...

Felony Offense? (0)

dustinbarbour (721795) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204669)

Is copyright infringement a felony offense? I thought it was more of a civil issue and resulted in fines and such? And what is the justification the US government is using to justify doing the **AA's bidding? Let the **AAs findthese guys, then sue them. Take 'em to court for damages. I don't get it. Seriously..

Re:Felony Offense? (3, Informative)

albn (835144) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204712)

Yeah, copyright infringment is a felony offense, and is under United States Code Title 17 sections 501 and 506. I have seen enough of these FBI Warnings when playing movies on DVD/VHS... Penalty: 5 years in prison and $250,000 fine per work infringed. Harsh? yes. Fair? Debatable? Yep. But it is the law...

Re:Felony Offense? (1, Insightful)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204750)

Once the damages are demonstratably higher than a certain figure, it becomes a criminal issue rather than a civil issue. I shall not attempt to even discuss the issue of damages here, as the usual slashdot response will kick in. What I will say is this, to all people complaining that 15 years is too long compared to other crimes: He willingly did this and knew he was commiting an illegal act. He was systimatically breaking the law, again and again and again. He demonstrated blatant disregard for the law, time after time. After all, if this guy was spamming, you wouldnt have any issues with him being locked up for 15 years (or receiving multimillion dollar fines, as has happened).

Re:Felony Offense? (1)

albn (835144) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204778)

What is interesting to me is people who commit manslaughter spend the same amount in time prison. While I have never seen somebody convicted for the maximum penality, it goes to show me where the priorities are....

Re:Felony Offense? (2, Interesting)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204816)

So, what? Should whoever makes the law sit down and say 'well, really this isnt as bad as murder, so we shouldnt punish them as much. Oh, but is it worse than this crime, or that crime?'. Seriously, where do you draw the line? This law had a maximum sentance placed on it. Get it, a MAXIMUM SENTANCE. Not a MINIMUM SENTANCE. When they created the law, they LIMITED how badly this person could get punished. There is no maximum sentance on murder or in a lot of cases, manslaughter. If it was a mandatory minimum, you might have a point.

Re:Felony Offense? (1)

albn (835144) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204867)

The thing is, then why place a sentence maximum or minimum on something like this? And yes, murder is worse than some person distributing software/movies/etc.

Re:Felony Offense? (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204917)

They place a maximum so that judges cant be bought out and jail you with a life long sentance for crimes like these. They place a maximum to tell judges that 'this is the most you should give in the most extreme of cases, adjust for lesser cases'. Its a guideline. If the judges know the maximum, they know what boundries they can work with. Oh, and I didnt say murder wasnt a worse crime, I did say it was a completely seperate crime. Or should a set sentance term only be allowed for one crime, with no other being allowed to share the length? 'Hey Bob, we need to rethink this max term for this new statute, 25 years is already taken by the statute for limiting usage of personal and private information'.

Re:Felony Offense? (1)

albn (835144) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204974)

Fair enough, there is nothing I can do about the statutes or whatever. To put somebody in the can for distributing movies/games/whatever is a bit harsh, and IMO would be better off in the civil courts rather than the criminal. However, I do not know many who distribute software/etc. do not have the money to pay back to the copyright holders so I guess the only solution is to sit in the same cell with a murderer...

yes, and the maximum should be much less (1)

Trepidity (597) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204965)

Allowing a judge to sentence anyone to prison for copyright infringement is ridiculous. The maximum sentence should be a fine.

Re:Felony Offense? (2, Insightful)

albn (835144) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204901)

hehe, what's interesting is, most do not ask for spam. A lot of people want warez. I guess where there is demand, somebody will supply despite the risk.

I do not get it (1)

albn (835144) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204673)

Wasn't PWA's founder Robin Rothburg a conviction as well, and was he from the US? How can this be the first conviction? http://www.cybercrime.gov/pwa_verdict.htm

Re:I do not get it (1)

2MuchC0ffeeMan (201987) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204822)

He wasn't part of operation fastink, that took place on april 21st ...

Let's hope you're not next... (0, Offtopic)

disc-chord (232893) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204681)

"In Germany, they first came for the communists and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist, Then they came for the Jews and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics. I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak up." - Rev. Martin Niemöller.

Next...

You've got to be kidding (1)

October_30th (531777) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204713)

Yeah. Getting shafted for warez is just like being oppressed by the nazi-Germany...

Bush == Hitler! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11204759)

Remember, Hitler seemed nice until he cancelled elections...

Re:Let's hope you're not next... (1)

RileyLewis (826273) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204726)

So you're basically saying that we'll be the last to be rounded up? That's not too bad. I mean, we'll most likely see used car salesmen and jocks taken before us internet scum. So for a few weeks, we'll be the cocks of the nest...er...or, the roosters of the roost.... Bah! Whatever the metaphor is, that's what it'll be.

Re:Let's hope you're not next... (0, Troll)

IInventedTheInternet (818590) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204743)

If they were smart, they'd come for anyone who quotes Niemoller first...

Re:Let's hope you're not next... (1)

IInventedTheInternet (818590) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204849)

Wait a minute, scratch that, people who quote Niemoller (aside from getting easy mod points) don't usually go out and directly affect change, so keep the Niemoller people around.

My thoughts (1)

koreaman (835838) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204700)

While I commend the law and the government for doing their jobs, I don't think that it should be illegal for warez tu be distributed. Maybe I'm just too much of a commie, but I think that something should be freely redistributable if the people redistributing or receiving it don't put any additional burden on the company that manufactures it.

But I still don't do it, because for moral reasons I follow the law whether I agree with it or not.

Re:My thoughts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11204729)

Yup. You're a commie alright. It's my copyrighted property, nothing gives you the right to redistribute it without my permission.

Re:My thoughts (1)

koreaman (835838) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204787)

I love a good debate. Alright then, what makes copyright an intrinsic right?

Insane (1)

Guidlib (814472) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204702)

A possible 15 years for software piracy? That's insane!

I think even one year would be enough to deter warez distributors from doing it again. This can be nothing less than setting an example to scare others.

Surely that is not the point of the law.

they have internet in iowa? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11204704)

news to me

Anybody else find this disturbing? (4, Insightful)

Jaywalk (94910) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204754)

Operation Fastlink officials seized 200 computers, 30 of which were alleged to have been used as storage and distribution servers containing thousands of copyrighted works, including newly released movies and music. The Justice Department estimated that the seized copyright material alone was worth $50 million.
So if only 30 of them were servers distributing copyrighted material, what were the other 170 machines for? Why did they take five times as many machines as those actually being used for illegal activity? This smells of the kind of clueless crap documented in The Hacker Crackdown [mit.edu] where the prosecution was to earn political brownie points rather than to actually protect society.

Re:Anybody else find this disturbing? (2, Informative)

Keeper (56691) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204927)

How do you know which machine has the material you're looking for on it until after you examine it? (ie: you seize all machines to find the 30 you're looking for)

15 Years? My 2 cents (5, Insightful)

Man in Spandex (775950) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204757)

I just hope any 'attempted murder' sentences will last more than 15 years because if software pirates get 15, then convicts arrested for shooting somebody should have double!

Re:15 Years? My 2 cents (1)

Guidlib (814472) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204829)

A lot more than double, you'd think. Given that no-one is even physically harmed in piracy... I don't condone piracy, of course, but surely it's not on the same scale as murder. It's equivalent to theft more than anything.

advice (4, Funny)

blackomegax (807080) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204775)

a little tip to the guy thats serving 15 years...you're close to canada, GO THERE.

The moral of the story is... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11204776)

If you want to make a quick buck, mug some little old lady.

Iowa (0, Offtopic)

TheScorpion420 (760125) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204788)

Wow something interesting actually happened in Iowa!

Why not garnish a chunk of his wages for life? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11204794)

Why should I spend even more money keeping him in prison?

People who are a danger to society should be kept away from society, but why not financially punish non-violent criminals?

Court bottleneck (1)

Audacious (611811) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204807)

If the methodology behind finding and apprehending software priates becomes totally automated then the courts are going to be flooded with cases of this sort.

I would think that, given the fact that there are now many free software packages which are as good as (or better in some cases) pre-existing software packages, maybe the pirates could be convinced to switch to other software. Sort of a rehab for pirates. After all, why do we - as citizens - want to have even more people in jail freeloading off of the taxes we are paying? I say give'em better software which is free to begin with and let them use that instead of ripping off some company which may have buggy code in the first place.

(But then again - I'm also in favor of a redlight district in every major city so people who want that kind of thing can get it without getting into trouble. We are, after all, living, breathing, creatures with needs which, when suppressed, find their outlet in other ways - like pirating software. So make this legal and regulate it like we do everything else.)

Safety in America (2, Interesting)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204815)

I'm happy to read this, as it means the FED's have nothing better to do then run around enforcing **CIVIL** issues ( on MY dime even )..

All the terrorists, rapists, murderers, etc have been eradicated from the earth.

We can all feel so much safer and sleep better tonight knowing this.

Re:Safety in America (1)

computerme (655703) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204852)

yes. the feds should never involve themselves with "civil" crimes until ALL murders have been stopped and ALL of the terrorists are behinds bars...

thank you for your input..

Re:Safety in America (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204977)

That is a correct statement you make.

Civil cases should not be an excuse to waste tax dollars by using *criminal* agencies, grossly out of their jurisdiction...

There IS a difference..

It's awesome (2, Insightful)

TheAdventurer (779556) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204825)

I think it's awesome that someone finally got the book thrown at them for cheating hard working professionals out of their profit. It's fun to watch.

Screw the software/music/movie pirates.

Re:It's awesome (1)

Guidlib (814472) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204892)

Certainly some punishment is in order. I don't think the possible maximum of 15 years is reasonable, though.

I don't think this guy would have much to whine about if he got 1 year. I think that would even be fair.

Nith to Meet you Jathan (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11204827)

Jathan? Interethting name. Do you think that people think that Jathan hath a lithp whenever he introdutheth himthelf?

Woo! (1)

wedg (145806) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204875)

Way to go Iowa City!

(I'm going to the University of Iowa here.)

This Was A Criminal Enterprise (2, Insightful)

Cheirdal (776541) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204878)

This was not a case of the teenager down the street sharing movies and music for free with others via Kazaa or Bit Torrents. This was a person who was involved in a ring that charged for access to copyrighted materials. I think the time fits the magnitude of the crime.

Charged? (1)

Eunuch (844280) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204910)

This is the key issue. Did they charge for the bits? Having to upload other stuff doesn't count at all of course. If this guy charged $money$ for the bits, my opinion of him would change for the worse drastically.

Re:Charged? (1)

Cheirdal (776541) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204935)

Yes, the charged. Its in the article. The global effort specifically targets so-called "warez" groups, members of which are believed to distribute unauthorized copies of material to previously identified clientele over secure servers. Those files typically end up on an Internet Relay Chat network or a peer-to-peer file-sharing service.

IRC and peer-to-peer charge? (1)

Eunuch (844280) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204979)

Not that I last checked. Maybe it's some rich kid who pays thousands to get it first.

Realistic net worth? (3, Insightful)

mcguyver (589810) | more than 9 years ago | (#11204898)

The Justice Department estimated that the seized copyright material alone was worth $50 million.

You think if this guy was sitting on $50 million dollars that he would be peddling warez and playing games?
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