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431 comments

I don't (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229145)

I'm an American!

(It's a joke! Not flamebait!)

Re:I don't (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229190)

> I'm an American!

Translation: Proud to be Stupid, Power of Ignorance, ...

Re:I don't (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229226)

Unfortunately it's true. Events like the last election show that basically if you meet an American you have a 50-50 chance of him/her being a complete idiot.

Re:I don't (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229313)

Translation: Proud to be Stupid, Power of Ignorance, ...

I'm a cowardly limey fuck who prefers to live in the past and ignore the fact that England is becoming 3rd world cesspool thanks to unchecked immigration.

Re:I don't (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229338)

Looks like we found one of those 50% of idiots.

Re:I don't (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229352)

Why do you assume he's English?

Canadians and Australians speak English too.

Re:I don't (1)

boy_afraid (234774) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229192)

Same here!

Message-in-a-Bottle (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229214)

and a little tsunami to speed up delivery.

What do you mean, "international calls"? (1)

Cold Winter Days (772398) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229146)

Why should I want to talk to some natives of lesser countries?

From work. (2, Funny)

Scott Lockwood (218839) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229148)

I don't ever have to call overseas otherwise. :-)

HEY LOCKWOOD, SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FAGGOT! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229185)


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I use www.mywdt.com (5, Interesting)

Mourgos (621534) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229153)

www.mywdt.com They even provide you with an 800 number to use for free.

Re:I use www.mywdt.com (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229205)

I use www.masterbell.com
They offer refillable cards, you can register your phone number with them and use cards without pin entry.

Also you can program shortcuts on some of their cards

Re:I use www.mywdt.com (5, Informative)

guyfromindia (812078) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229222)

mywdt is expensive to call countries like India. I use Reliance --> http://www.relianceindiacall.com/

skype (2, Interesting)

KaledZeCamelII (828744) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229163)

It works

Re:skype (1)

Mantorp (142371) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229181)

I love skype for home but when I'm on my cellphone I want something like bigzoo that lets me dial a local number.

Re:skype (1)

Mantorp (142371) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229230)

Looks like OneSuite does it, nermind me. I'm just talking to myself. Save lots on long distance that way.

Re:skype Agreed !! (1)

Tuna_Shooter (591794) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229265)

I use it everyday.... HIGHLY recommended. No downside as of this time.

Re:skype Agreed !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229311)

I've been getting pretty shit performance from Skype lately (IP to PSTN gateways just don't work or the quality is really poor), and don't get any replies back from them. Not a happy customer here.

Re:skype (1)

XaviorPenguin (789745) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229308)

I use 2 soup cans tied together with some yarn to make my calls! :D

BOSS Phone cards work great. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229164)

BOSS phone cards work great with great rates. Plus I dont have a bill at the end of the month.

Phonecards-Prepaid? (1)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229356)


Boss phone cards are apparently for use only around Massachusetts.

Phonecards-Prepaid [phonecards-prepaid.com] says 1.67 cents per minute from the U.S. to Brazil, for land lines, and 6.67 cents per minute to cell phones, far cheaper than other ways I've found for calling to cell phones in Brazil, where the caller pays the cell phone minutes. There is a 69 cents per week charge, and judging from all the verbiage on the rates page, there must be other charges not openly listed.

I'm skeptical. I've found that when there are a lot of plans, and a lot of conditions on each plan, usually the cost is much higher than the web page would make you believe.

Easy (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229165)

I use a telephone.

i use (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229167)

a phonecard. cheap, average cost is 1.7c a minute to Ireland.

phonecard tip (4, Interesting)

Lux (49200) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229252)

My mom uses those, but she got frustrated about all the bizarre extra charges that you get just for dialing a number, even if no one picks up.

So she started probing with her normal phone service.

If no one picks up on the normal phone call, no charge. If someone does pick up, it's a quarter or so connection fee for a 15 second call consisting of "Ah, you're home. I'll call you right back." Then she calls back on the card, and juices it for every single minute it's advertised to get. :)

Re:phonecard tip (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229263)

Are you Jewish? ;)

Re:phonecard tip (1)

alienw (585907) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229293)

Many phonecards don't have any extra charges. Unless you talk for hours on end, it's usually a better deal, too. Look around, there are lots of good links in this thread.

my system (3, Funny)

kh4n (229345) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229168)

I yell really loudly

Asterisk and a VOIP provider (5, Interesting)

sprior (249994) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229171)

I have a linux based Asterisk PBX at home and sign up with nufone.net to provide calling to POTS lines both US and international. nufone is a purely pay as you go so it costs very little to try them. The key is Asterisk, then there are a few options for the VOIP side.

Re:Asterisk and a VOIP provider (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229309)

http://www.voipjet.com also has great rates for IAX termination.
Nufone is quite good, I use as alternate route (example, few days ago, seems voipjet had a boo-boo, switched my dialplan to nufone for one day or so).
When asterisk get to the point of being plug-and-play (imagine a shuttle running asterisk booting from some of the new linux+asterisk cd distros), I imagine the revolution will come very fast.
BTW, for regular people/users, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/voip has quite few users of several SIP providers (vonage, packet8, broadvoice and etc), these don't require asterisk and etc, just broadband, and they ship you a VOIP adapter.

Re:Asterisk and a VOIP provider (2, Interesting)

kevlar (13509) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229321)

As long as you have plenty of time to build and configure a PBX and you have enough knowledge about the phone system, yeah Asterisk is great. If you don't, then you should probably stick to the phone company or calling cards. The phone company (Verizon) is my mortal enemy, but I use them simply because its too difficult to use anything else. I don't want to waste bandwidth on VOIP, which leaves me with the option of cell phone, verizon or no phone at all...

How do I call internationally? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229177)

I dial 9,011, the country code, then the telephone number.

011 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229178)

Pick up the phone and dial the country code in before the phone number.

I have a magic box (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229180)

I have a magic box on my desk where I just lift part of it, type some numbers, and I get connected to the person I want to talk to. There's no IM but it's really easy to use. It doesn't even require a power connection, and it's super-simple. Only a "hangup" button and the numbers. Maybe Apple designed it?

I think it works with VoIP, but it's so small and light I don't know where the computer is. There's a DSL wire so it must not be wireless. Maybe it's VoIP over DSL? Yes, that's probably it.

A friend of mine says this is called a "Phone". I think that might be a play on "Vonage", I hope the Phone company doesn't infringe their trademark.

Anyway I use it all the time and I get a bill every month for minutes used. Not the cheapest rates around but I"m willing to pay extra for simplicity and reliability (the other day we had a network problem in my office but the Phone still worked! They must have some good QoS routing).

Re:I have a magic box (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229196)

We're all such smartasses, arent we? ;)

Re:I have a magic box (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229303)

Maybe Apple designed it?
Does it have more than 1 button? Then no, they didn't.

Re:I have a magic box (1)

zarthrag (650912) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229312)

(the other day we had a network problem in my office but the Phone still worked! They must have some good QoS routing).
You have to admit though, as *cheap* as VoIP is - overall internet reliability may never reach that of the POTS network.

You are asking for vandalism advice (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229182)

Is there any open source VOIP software that can connect directly through port 80, bypassing firewalls?

If the owner of the server you are connecting through does not want you to use VoIP, your concern should be with finding a legitimate way to hash out your concerns, honestly and in the open, not finding exploit methods to allow you to violate his or her wishes.

Re:You are asking for vandalism advice (-1, Troll)

dustinbarbour (721795) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229236)

Yeah.. what the parent poster said. You sound like a college freshman living in the dorms who's trying to beat the network admins so you can call some Russian chick you met through HOTorNOT.

For me (1)

savagedome (742194) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229188)

I send them an email and then they call me. No really.

Fire your long-distance provider! (3, Insightful)

freeze128 (544774) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229189)

I did. I got tired of them billing me $5 a month for a service that I never used, so I fired them (MCI).

When the time came that I did need to place a long-distance call, the local phone company automatically picked the most expensive carrier. I fired them too, and then placed a block on my account so that the phone company could never 'SLAM' me again. Now I just use calling cards. Since I use long-disatnce service so infrequently, it makes the most financial sense.

Re:Fire your long-distance provider! (1)

DrCode (95839) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229262)

No kidding. We had "Working Assets" as our long-distance company, and my daughter talked to her friend in Spain a couple times. They sent the call through some scam company that charged over $3/minute.

Re:Fire your long-distance provider! (0, Offtopic)

Zathras11 (628385) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229315)

After several years of hardly making any long
distance calls, I did the same thing (switched
to phone cards). If you shop around for those,
your savings (even if you don't use the entire
time on the card, as it will expire) is
substantial when compared to paying a set fee
per month (in my case, over $6). I found a place
locally that sells 500 minute cards for about
$15.00. In two years, I haven't finished either
card! And for those modding, I am on topic.
The cards can be used for INTERNATIONAL calls
as well, although that 500 minutes domestic
buys you about 15 minutes from the USA to UK.

mnb Re:Fire your long-distance provider! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229318)

I did. I got tired of them billing me $5 a month for a service that I never used, so I fired them (MCI).

When the time came that I did need to place a long-distance call, the local phone company automatically picked the most expensive carrier. I fired them too, and then placed a block on my account so that the phone company could never 'SLAM' me again. Now I just use calling cards. Since I use long-disatnce service so infrequently, it makes the most financial sense.


Your local phone company didn't "SLAM" you. If you would read your TOS agreement with them I think you will find that they acted properly.
You were the one who canceled your former long distance carrier.
You were the one who did not pick a new carrier.
You were the one who placed a long distance call w/o having picked a carrier.

I have a feeling that you would still be complaining if your local phone company hadn't picked a long distance carrier for you and simply refused to connect the call.

"Slamming" is what happens when your long distance carrier is changed w/o your consent. You are the one who dropped MCI, and you are the one who expressed, through your own actions, a desire for the local telco to pick a carrier for you.

Varies by country.... (4, Interesting)

DisasterDoctor (775095) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229193)

I make quite a few international calls.

The cost depends on two major factors....
1. Which country you are calling
2. Where the calls are originating

I was a big fan of BigZoo, especially for calls from the U.S. into Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and most of the stans.

Though I don't know why, most of the indepent resellers seem to be ditching the business.

Your local company (AT&T, etc.) always seem to have the cheapest price into neighboring countries (Canada, Mexico, England, and now even Japan.)

For calls originating outside of the US and calling in, callback services always seem to work best, though there doesn't seem to be much difference between them. The internet call back service are tolerance for voice communications.

Re:Varies by country.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229287)

Hmmm, you posted as DisasterDoctor who makes quite a few international calls to Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and most of the stans. Are there any black helicopters hovering outside your home right about now?

When there is no good internet connection.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229197)

In suburban/rural Thailand the phones are often so bad that a modem can't maintain a connection. I use a calling card to my fiancee's cell phone. Thaitel.com has the best rates and quality that I have found.

Re:When there is no good internet connection.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229228)

Quay na krop. Please say you are NOT considering marrying a Thai girl! You will end up supporting her entire family, who you will soon discover, are all to lazy to get real jobs. Been there, and know hundreds of others who found out the hard way too.

BroadVoice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229206)

http://www.broadvoice.com/

Reportedly offers a flat monthly rate for coast-to-coast and international calls. Thinking about signing on. Anyone used this before?

10 10 987 (2, Informative)

psycht (233176) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229208)

I know it seems cliche, but I call my friend in Japan often (once or twice a month) and I used 10-10-987. Its pretty cheap. We'll talk for about 30mins and it only costs $3-4 USD.

Re:10 10 987 (1)

AGTiny (104967) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229245)

OneSuite is only 4 cents to Japan. You could save a few bucks. And it is actually cheaper to call China or the UK than to call my relatives 20 miles away.

Re:10 10 987 (0, Offtopic)

Zathras11 (628385) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229337)

LOL! Isn't this VERBATIM from their TV ad...

onesuite.com (1)

LehiNephi (695428) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229209)

onesuite.com [onesuite.com] is almost exactly the same as BigZoo. Some of the automated voices are even the same, and the domestic rates (I didn't check international, since we don't need it) are exactly the same. Same available features, etc.

Next on Ask Slashdot (4, Funny)

Zach Garner (74342) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229212)

Next On Ask Slashdot:

How do you go to the bathroom?

For help answering that question, I direct you to episode 3, season 4 of Beavis and Butthead: Trouble Urinating. [tvtome.com]

Mod Parent Inevitable (1)

handy_vandal (606174) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229270)

Next On Ask Slashdot: How do you go to the bathroom?

O dear sweet Jesus, and saints preserve us ... must I think about that question?

-kgj

VIA the TTY system. (1)

agent (7471) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229213)

http://www.google.com/search?safe=on&q=calling+for +deaf

Call-through services (1)

mrbill1234 (715607) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229215)

If you're in the UK check out http://www.niftylist.co.uk/ and use one of the call-through services. Most places I call are 1p per minute.

Telephone? (1)

someonewhois (808065) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229221)

I use the telephone for long distance...

No need for VOIP (1)

alienw (585907) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229224)

The best way to get cheap international rates is with a phone card. Try this place [phonecardsonsale.com] , I've had good experience with them. The rates are usually way cheaper than what any VOIP provider offers. Plus, it's convenient in that you can use any phone as long as it can call 1-800 numbers. If you have free long distance, you can use the "local access" (non-toll-free) numbers and save some more. The main things to watch out for with phone cards are connection fees, rounding, and expiration. Unlike a long distance provider, there are no hidden taxes and USF fees.

POTS? (1)

OverlordQ (264228) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229227)

Not the cheapest, but it's simple, and almost guaranteed to work. Period.

cheap international (5, Informative)

jonsmirl (114798) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229229)

I find it hard to beat phone cards. www.uniontelecard.com has good selection. Pay a little more and get the ones from IDT. Their connections are much better than Entel. IDT phone cards are 1/10th the price of Verizon for calling South Africa and 1/3 Vonage direct dial. You can use phone cards from your cell phone and VOIP phones too.

Re:cheap international (1)

Lemuel (2370) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229370)

I used Union Telecard when my girlfriend was in China for month. It cost less than 3 cents per minute and you can register your phone number with them so you don't have to enter a code each time. I thought the connection quality was acceptable for the price, but not great.

MSN Messenger is the only viable choice right now (1)

melted (227442) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229231)

It works halfway across the globe with slow analog modem on the other end. Even Skype dies in this configuration. Skype also has horrible echo problems (even with echo suppression) which MSN Messenger for some reason does not have.

So despite crappy UI, I have to use MSN Messenger. I save about $20 a month by doing so.

I yell REALLY loud. (4, Funny)

lottameez (816335) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229233)

Doesn't everybody?

I use hand written notes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229241)

transported by swallows.

Re:I use hand written notes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229246)

African or European?

swallows (0)

handy_vandal (606174) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229280)

... transported by swallows.

What is it about Anonymous Cowards and swallowing?

-kgj

skype and phone (1)

Dionysus (12737) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229248)

Phone/MS Messenger with my parents, skype with my brother

POTS (1)

pimpin apollo (664314) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229253)

We signed up for an international plan with AT&T I think. It cost something like $3 a month and then $0.06 a minute. It was a ton cheaper than the 30p (58 cents) they wanted to charge from the U.K. to the U.S.

Old school (1)

andrew817 (844981) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229256)

I op divert to AT&T and use generated card numbers. Old school =)

I have this: (2)

StarKruzr (74642) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229259)

Lingo [lingo.com] Insanely cheap and really feature-rich. Call quality is excellent too. Indistinguishible from a standard POTS line.

OneSuite.com (1)

TFGeditor (737839) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229261)

I use http://www.onesuite.com/ [onesuite.com] . I can call my daughter/son-in-law in England from the U.S. for something like .03/min, and my wife's brother in Thailand for .07. My daughter uses the same service to call us et al in the U.S. from England.

Other international rates here http://www.onesuite.com/rates.asp [onesuite.com] You pre-pay for as many minutes as you want, and access is via a toll-free or local number.

Asterisk and port forwarding? (1)

sweet 'n sour (595166) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229266)

If port 80 is a concern, couldn't one just set up port forwarding on their asterisk server which would take traffic coming into port 80 and redirect it to the port that asterisk is listening on? http://www.asterisk.org

BigZoo Alternative (2, Interesting)

quanta (16565) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229271)

For reaching those more expensive places, like Africa, try http://pingo.com/ [pingo.com]

How do we make what now? (1)

ExileOnHoth (53325) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229272)

Phone calls? What are phone calls?

I use email and IM.

Cellphone (1)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229273)

Canadian here. I only ever have to call the US, really.

For that, I just use my cellphone. I get 10/min (8.5 US) Canada/US long distance on it, so I just use it because it's convenient.

I have some family in Holland, and I'd likely just use my cellphone to call them too. (Right now I live at home, and they call here a lot.)

Net2Phone is Decent, But Have a Backup (1)

instinctdesign (534196) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229274)

I've been using Net2Phone [net2phone.com] 's Communicator (desktop based VOIP service) for awhile now and I've been pretty happy with it. They recently removed the adverts that were contained in the desktop which had been my primary annoyance (since the service costs money, essentially, you are paying to see their adverts).

I have run into problems occasionally where it will give a largely useless error stating they are having "Technical Difficulty" and can't place your call. Annoyingly, it seems to do this both when you mistype a phone number and when it is a problem on their end, so its difficult to guess where the problem is.

I also rely on Skype's PC to Phone service a good deal, particularly since it is a good deal cheaper than Net2Phone. Unfortunately, it has problems with NATs, so some (such as my girlfriend, with whom I talk the most) will have difficultly. Consequently, we're unable to use the free PC to PC service, which would probably save us lots of money.

In my experience, no one service is completely reliable (and none close to the reliability of a landline), so its good to have a backup in case one fails.

Vonage (1)

TFGeditor (737839) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229275)

I wouldn't use Vonage under any circumstances on the simple basis that their TV ad is annoying as hell.

"Woo-hoo-hoo,Woo-hoo-hoo,Woo-hoo-hoo,Woo-hoo-hoo ,W oo-hoo-hoo,Woo-hoo-hoo,Woo-hoo-hoo," ad nauseum ad infinitum.

Asterisk in the UK (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229279)

I use Voiptalk IAX [voiptalk.org]

Phone card (1)

suso (153703) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229286)

My wife calls to Uzbekistan frequently and often buys a phone card. Usually she can get a decent rate like $0.20/minute or something.

Two Cans... (1)

qualico (731143) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229290)

and a very long piece of string.

Re:Two Cans... (1)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229375)

So you're one of those people who lives in a house that straddles a border between two countries?

Canadian Customs Officer: "Do you have anything to declare?"
Qualico: "Uh yea I just went to the USA to take a crap... and I passed by the fridge to get a beer."
Canadian Customs Officer: "You're 50ml over-quota for that quantity of alcohol you're importing. Please fill out this form, and pay 0.50$ in duties. Thank you."

Yahoo Messenger (3, Interesting)

dallask (320655) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229291)

They have integrated support for VOIP and if you can chat you can talk assuming that the other party has a mic.

'Course, I think I loose my geek card or somthing for recomending somthing like yahoo over skype... but hey, it works... so long as you run Windows... I guess I lost my geek card along time ago. :)

How to make international calls? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229292)

Let's see... dial 011, then the country code, then the city code, then the number. Maybe that wasn't the question, but it was not at all clear.

BabyTEL (2, Interesting)

Geoff NoNick (7623) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229294)

I'm a fan of babyTEL [babytel.ca] VoIP, myself. They're only available here in Canada, but it looks like they'll be offering service in the US within the next year. Definitely the cheapest long-distance I've seen.

VOIP Used -- USADataNet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229297)

I've been using a VOIP service called USADataNet (www.usadatanet.com) for US and International Calling. Works great, and appears no different than a regular phone call except that you dial their 800# first to initiate. No equipment necessary. Regional calls within US are a max $.99, and all calls within US are max $1.99. We called Thailand after the Tsunami to check on a friend for $0.169/min. Perfect sound quality.
BobR www.mobileread.com

Hardly ever call internationally (0, Offtopic)

mrjb (547783) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229299)

Actually, I hardly ever do voice internationally, either by phone or over the internet.

I don't like the idea of wasting a huge amount of bandwidth, possibly surprising me with a nice bit of aftermath from my provider. For the same reason, I don't stream internet radio.

Personally I think voice is overrated. I do have an 'always on' connection, but it's instant text messaging all the way across the globe for me. Most importantly it 'just works', just like skype but without the adware/spyware issues.

I actually prefer to have IM conversations over phonecalls, because they allow you to keep working on something else in the meantime, while voice phonecalls tend to require full attention.

Additionally IM doesn't consume ridiculous amounts of bandwidth. With 1/3 of our bandwidth being utilized to deliver spam and another 1/3 used by bittorrent leeches, I think the 'net would benefit from not having everyone replacing their phone by VOIP just yet.

Re:Hardly ever call internationally (1)

HeghmoH (13204) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229374)

"Huge amount of bandwidth"? What are you smoking?

A typical VoIP connection uses 2kB/sec. If you talk for an hour, you've uploaded and download a grand total of 7MB in each direction. Big deal. If you talked on your phone 24/7, you'd use 5GB of bandwidth. If your ISP is going to come after you for this kind of use, you need to get rid of them posthaste and use somebody who doesn't suck.

If you think the internet is going to have problems because everybody starts making 7MB/hour phone calls, you have another thing coming.

To call Canada from Vietnam (1)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229317)

When I was on vacation in 'Nam a month ago, the cybercafe near my hotel was selling eVoiz [evoiz.com] cards for 70,000VND for 3 hours of talk time.

And while I was there, the exchange rate was about 13,000VND for 1$CA

Don't search the internet for rates (2)

MoonChildCY (581211) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229319)

Just stop by your local smoke shop (one owned preferably by a foreigner) and just ask them about calling cards. I found a local calling card that is meant only for calls within the USA that has the cheapest rates for calls in Europe that I have seen anywhere. I can call Cyprus for $0.04/minute, which is between 2 and 12 times cheaper than anything I could find online. The calling card is UNI Washington (local access by icallplus) and it actually gives me cheaper rates than the ones advertised in their webpage (as they only advertise international calling cards to international calls).

Remember, the internet isn't the answer to everything all the time.

Does anyone know of VOIP comp. that supports DID (1)

jwieland (81762) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229322)

I would like to be able to have DID (Direct Inward Dialing) however I have not found a VOIP company that supports that.

I currently use BroadVoice [broadvoice.com] which does not. I hear VoicePulse [voicepulse.com] might be able to provide that service but I have not tried yet.

add my vote for phone cards (1)

bigbigbison (104532) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229331)

there's an asian market across the street from my office and they have tons of calling cards advertizing really cheap rates. The other international markets I have been to have had them as well, so go find one and see what they have.

Thank you so much for this information. (2, Funny)

Typingsux (65623) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229333)

Now I can call those Nigerians cheaply regarding my forwarding them my bank account info and not hearing back. I'm awaiting at least 10 million!

Vonage (1)

Stoo (22399) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229344)

Last time I went to the UK I took my Vonage box with me, plugged it into the ADSL there and used it as normal.

You didn't say how many different people you wanted to call overseas, but if it's just 1 number you could get a Vonage box and send it to them.
Then you'd just be calling a local number, so you'd only have to pay the flat rate each month.

A pain (5, Informative)

MasTRE (588396) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229355)

I have a lot of friends and family scattered around Europe that I keep in touch with. I know the calling abroad game as I've been doing it for decades. It is still a royal pain in the arse.

Before VoIP, your only choice other than paying your regular LD provider a ton of money per minute was a calling card. These things are very problematic and inconvenient to use. First, you have to choose one that appears to have good rates to where you are calling. Then you have to read the fine print to see if they charge a connection fee, a maintenance fee, and so on. Usually, what appears to be a good deal isn't, unless you use up the whole amount in one call, or very few long calls. Then, after you find one that appears to be good overall, there's the difficulty of actually placing the call. Sometimes it's hard to very hard to get through, and it's a pain in the ass to keep calling their number, enter your pin, then dial the number. Some/most of these only allow a set number of attempts per call, so you have to keep calling back every X failed attempts. During peak usage of their network, like during the holidays, this becomes a huge problem. Then, if you get through, during peak usage call quality is fair at best, as they lower the bitrate to accommodate a larger volume of calls.

Some providers allow you to sign up. It works the same as a calling card with but you are billed monthly. Sometimes they can read your home phone # so you don't have to enter a PIN every time you call. More convenient, but still inconvenient to use and annoying when you can't get through.

Then there's pure VoIP, like Skype. Very convenient. No more wasting time finger-dialing 30-digit sequences of numbers. Add them to your address book then simply select & click call. Problems: very expensive (compared to the rates offered by calling cards) and sometimes you still can't get through.

The adage of "what appears to be a good usually isn't upon closer inspection" applies here too. Skype, for example, boasts ~0.02/min to Western Europe. Yeah, if you call a land line. But it's pretty much a rule - when you call Europe, you'll be calling a mobile phone. I have friends who don't even have land lines. And the price for calling mobile numbers is much higher. And _not_ competitive with what the calling cards offer.

So, it's pretty much a mess. I refrain from calling, as most of my friends have email and we keep in touch on a weekly basis. Add IM into the mix and you've got even less of a need for calling. Then some of them have broadband and headsets, so we can place calls for free over the net. The problem with this is that we must both be in a certain place at a certain time. When the planets align just right, it happens :)

For emergency use, I purchased 10 of SkypeOut credit which I use when I need to call someone and express my love toward them I can't deal with the calling cards any longer, and I'm willing to pay a premium price for this advantage for my limited use. If I'd be a heavy user, I'd probably use the cheapest service that worked, tho.

i use HF Shortwave (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11229364)

usually somewhere just outside the amature & MARS/CAP bands where i make my calls...

HAR!!! Pirate radio rulez!!!

sipphone (1)

phowardcom (823174) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229366)

I use www.sipphone.com Use a free softphone package from someone like http://www.xten.com/ and you can have free VOIP or very cheap calls ($0.02 a minute to the US) Have been using it for over a year and its great.

World-Link (1)

njcoder (657816) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229368)

I don't know about other countires, but for calls to greece, canada and long distance within the US I've been very happy with the rates from World-Link [world-link.com] . Their rates are very good and I don't have to worry about buying special equipment. The few times I've had to call customer service the experience as been quiet good.

I think world-link is greek owned. It was nice when my parents wanted to sign up and they were able to do so in their native language.

Found them after AT&T royally screwed me with a promotion I signed up for which they cancelled 2 days later resulting in a multi hundred dollar bill. They never informed me about the change so international calls were billed at about $3/minute as opposed to a few cents.

phonecardonsale is bad!! (1)

yrs7 (845153) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229369)

I bought a phone card from phonecardonsale.com. They never sent me the PIN after they called me to conform my credit #. I sent them many emails for the issue, but they just ignored my emails. Never buy any phone cards from them, or you won't get your money back!!

long distance phone calls (1)

jcgf (688310) | more than 9 years ago | (#11229376)

1. Set VFO to desired frequency
2. call cq
3. hope somebody answers
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