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Exeem "Successor" to Suprnova Announced

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the what-does-it-mean dept.

The Internet 608

After the demise of Suprnova, hype has risen over Exeem, the supposed heir apparent to the popular BitTorrent index. Today on Novastream, Sloncek announced it officially, but to me his announcement raised more questions than it did answers. Since the official exeem.com website still isn't up, I've got a few notes below. Thanks to several users on irc.suprnova.org, and Sloncek himself for answering my questions.

First, Exeem really isn't an extension of Suprnova as the hype might have you believe: the connection between the two seems more marketing than anything else. Sloncek has been hired to promote their product as the heir apparent to his popular website, but his involvement really seems to be almost entirely PR. It'll work obviously: my headline on this story mentions Suprnova, and so will hundreds of websites around the world in the coming days. "Yet another p2p app" would not create anywhere near the waves that "Successor to Suprnova Announced" will. I hope that people judge exeem by its own merits and not by its (clever) marketing.

Second, Exeem is pretty much what was rumored earlier: a blending of the tracker, the BitTorrent client, and decentralized indexing. It's Windows only. It's in beta now, and will be out at some indeterminate date in the future. It also has a rating and commenting system which appears to be somewhat rudimentary. It's unclear to me if the rating system will be as useless as other attempts, and I think this is the critical thing: Suprnova succeeded because the content available on it was verified and trustworthy. Suprnova was as much the work of a few dozen editors as it was a list of torrent URLs. So far no other p2p system has achieved that level of accuracy. Exeem supports magnet sites which is a start, but not exactly p2p either. And did I mention that it's adware?

Third, there's a mystery company. Someone is paying Sloncek. He won't say who, but there's a history in the p2p world of secretive development. Since Exeem is to be adware, someday it will have a billing address, which means the legal issues faced by predecessors like Napster and Kazaa will be forthcoming, which is of course why we have a mystery company that Sloncek won't talk about in the first place. We definitely haven't heard the last of this.

Personally I was hoping for more: source code and cross platform compatibility never hurts. These are the things that made BitTorrent a huge success. I guess I was hoping for a new protocol instead of just another Kazaa. I guess I was hoping for a monumental leap, and instead Exeem to be a more incremental step. I'm sure we'll learn more in the coming weeks.

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Torrent trackers on Freenet? (5, Interesting)

Tet (2721) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223903)

I can't help but wonder if BitTorrent is the application that finally pushes people towards Freenet [sourceforge.net] . That would appear to be the obvious way of decentralizing it, without requiring platform specific software, and providing anonymity for both producers and consumers in the process.

Re:Torrent trackers on Freenet? (1)

OverlordQ (264228) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223959)

I love Freenet, but no offense to it, but it can't handle the sort of traffic that a tracker does atm.

Re:Torrent trackers on Freenet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11224070)

hm. Maybe, maybe not. The freenetting of transient links to trackers might work? I.e. suprnova as a freesite rather than a website?

Re:Torrent trackers on Freenet? (4, Insightful)

Entropius (188861) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224159)

The suggestion is to use freenet to distribute torrents, not to actually serve as a tracker. It can do that, surely, since torrents are tiny and one-shot downloads. This makes the MPAA's whack-a-mole game more difficult, since they have to go after each individual tracker rather than any centralized site hosting torrents (pointers to trackers).

Re:Torrent trackers on Freenet? (-1, Troll)

Eeknay (766740) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223967)

No-one is going to use a service that disregards child pornography just to test your faith. Also, it's horrendously slow even after a day or so of use.

Re:Torrent trackers on Freenet? (5, Insightful)

uberslack (5984) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224035)

Do you surf the web? Do you use IRC or any chat service? What exactly does bittorrent, a web or IRC server or client do to make sure that no one is using it to distribute child porn? What does any technology actively do to make sure it isn't being used to distribute child porn? *crickets* That's what I thought.

You are free to have your beliefs, but that does't mean that they aren't absurd.

You are right about the speed issues with Freenet though; I'll give you that.

Re:Torrent trackers on Freenet? (4, Insightful)

Eeknay (766740) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224072)

Sure, I bet you could find child porn on any major P2P service; the difference is that Freenet almost *encourages* it because of their philosophy. With any other P2P service, you can choose to avoid it, you don't have to download OR upload it. With Freenet, apparently you don't have that choice. I think we can agree that all Slashdotters here would not want to aid unwillingly in the distribution of child pornography, which is why Freenet has been received with cold reviews in the past here.

Re:Torrent trackers on Freenet? (5, Interesting)

user9918277462 (834092) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223974)

Unfortunately Freenet is an incredibly inefficient method of data transfer. Remember it was designed with security and anonymity as top priorities, performance comes as a distant third.

I was hoping for a more innovative p2p app, perhaps combining the advantages of VPN-type systems like WASTE or DirectConnect with the swarming efficiency of BitTorrent. Such a system would truly take the world by storm.

At the same time it seemed obvious that Exeem wouldn't be such a system. From rumors circulating after the start of the closed beta (not a good sign to begin with) it became apparent that Exeem was just another closed-source proprietary network. It's really unfortunate but not at all surprising.

Re:Torrent trackers on Freenet? (4, Interesting)

gremlins (588904) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223975)

I don't see why freenet is such a great way to serve up torrents. When you run the torrents they can still find you the only diffrence between this and how something like emule works is you have to use freenet. Might as well just have the clients also host the torrent and you just search the client.

Re:Torrent trackers on Freenet? (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11223976)

I cant help but wonder if Freenet will ever be functional enough to be used by people other than hard-core child porn mongers.

Re:Torrent trackers on Freenet? (5, Interesting)

jr87 (653146) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223985)

their are several problems with freenet...#1 it's slow as hell (at least when I tried it) #2 it has become a haven for kiddie pr0n #3 you become a node holding said kiddie pr0n because you have no control over what you cache.... I think freenet is a good thing overall...but I cannot justify being a node on freenet because I do not feel right helping traffic kiddie pr0n... now if a mass exodus occured that marginalized these people I would feel better...but atm their is a helluva lot of kiddie pr0n on their...

Re:Torrent trackers on Freenet? (4, Interesting)

Ziviyr (95582) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224048)

If theres that much of that there, and you've been looking at it, you've been extending it's cache time.

If you want it to have respectable content, use it to browse respectable content. (and inject respectable content if you can)

Re:Torrent trackers on Freenet? (2, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224109)

A lot of kiddie porn has relative innocuous names. I lost track of the number of pre-teen pics I ended up downloading from Kazaa back in the day while trying to download pics of entirely legal "teens" (most of them are probably in their early twenties and just look young.) Mind you, I deleted it all immediately, so don't send me email asking for it :P It can be hard to tell the difference before you have the file.

Re:Torrent trackers on Freenet? (4, Interesting)

timeOday (582209) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224115)

Perhaps you would use freenet to acquire just the .torrent files themselves. Isn't that what suprnova.org was - just a centralized directory to lots of torrent "tracker" servers?

Re:Torrent trackers on Freenet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11224130)

from freenet:
"I worry about my child and the Internet all the time, even though she's too young to have logged on yet. Here's what I worry about. I worry that 10 or 15 years from now, she will come to me and say 'Daddy, where were you when they took freedom of the press away from the Internet?'"

Where was I? I was taking pictures of you, dear child, to post on freenet :P

I KID I KID!

another name for kiddie porn in the net: (1)

Scudsucker (17617) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224145)

Red herring. Seriously, every time some new network pops up, people wring their hands and say "oh, wont somebody please think if the kiddie porn!"

PirateBay.org!! (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11224029)

eXeem is just going to be horrible and to me the obvious successor to Suprnova is ThePirateBay.org. It's hosted in Sweden so it'll never get shut down, spread the word. Please mod up! http://www.piratebay.org/ [piratebay.org]

Anonymous bittorrent already exists (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11224034)

With all due respect to the Freenet team, they have done a lot of good work, but the network isn't designed for things like bittorrent. What you need is a low-latency network like TOR or i2p. With that said, anonymous Bittorrent already exists, its available to work on the i2p anonymous network. Just go to the i2p website, , install the software and then click on this: There are already bittorrent trackers on the i2p network. Why this hasn't been on slashdot is beyond me.

Re:Anonymous bittorrent already exists (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11224068)

Damn does the markup suck on slashdot. Anyway, here are the URLS:

http://www.i2p.net [i2p.net]

And once you have i2p running, then you want to go to this i2p site:

http://duck.i2p/i2p-bt/ [duck.i2p]

Re:Torrent trackers on Freenet? (4, Insightful)

complete loony (663508) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224039)

IF, you could create a freenet that only hosts torrents, and not the files themselves, had searching for torrents (which they don't have), and then somehow tracks the downloads totally anonymously, then yeah sure why not.
Somehow I don't think it will happen, currently freenet doesn't have indexing / searching of contents, you need to find a link to the content through other means. Isn't that all that a torrent actually is? a link and identifier to the content and the tracker?
I don't want to host contents of unknown origin, I shouldn't need to keep a node running 24/7 in order to find and download the occasional file, and I don't want to wait in a queue of 1000 leachers to get what I want.

Suprnova trustworthy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11224053)

Suprnova succeeded because the content available on it was verified and trustworthy.

Half a dozen 1MB files with exceedingly virus-trap-like names would show up there daily.

Torrent trackers on Freenet?-Techno-faith. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11224125)

"I can't help but wonder if BitTorrent is the application that finally pushes people towards Freenet."

I can't help but wonder when we'll realize that technology doesn't solve social problems, and in fact exacerbates them?

adware? (1, Interesting)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223904)

There's going to be ads and crud with eXeem?

So basicly it's Kazaa without the quality of programming.

Goodie.

Re:adware? (4, Interesting)

SnAzBaZ (572456) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223983)

I for one have no intention if even trying this piece of rubbish, but I welcome it simply for the fact that it will attract attention away from the more traditional torrent sites that seem to be getting so much unwanted legal attention at present.

Re:adware? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224147)

What you are missing is that we're talking primarily about the attention of three entities: the RIAA, the MPAA, and the U.S. Gov't. Any of them are more than happy to grow their organization (temporarily in the case of the first two and permanently in the case of the feds) in order to accomplish a specific task. The only thing the {RI,MP}AA need[s] to accomplish suing more people is to hire more lawyers. By creating more P2P services, we only employ more lawyers. That is anything but a good idea. They will be only too happy to pass any costs not covered by revenue from lawsuits on to the consumer as they always have.

Re:adware? (1)

abandonment (739466) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223989)

you suggesting that Kazaa has 'quality' programming?

either way if it's got adware built into it, it ain't goin anywhere near any desktops or servers we run...no matter how 'cool' it is

Re:adware? (1)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224032)

You seem to have missed the joke.

Sarcasm is hard to get across via the intarweb.

Re:adware? (2, Funny)

Bill_Royle (639563) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223993)

*laughing*

Kazaa? Programming quality?

*laughing some more*

You're kidding, right?!?

*head explodes*

"Nothing for you to see here, please move along." (4, Funny)

Vengie (533896) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223906)

I really need to be able to mod slashdot errors...

-1 Annoying!
-1 Obvious! *sigh*

Re:"Nothing for you to see here, please move along (1)

iamnotacrook (816556) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223939)

Most of us find this very interesting and not annoying or obvious at all. I suggest you go back to IRC if slashdot is not to your taste. Let the rest of us build this community website.

Re:"Nothing for you to see here, please move along (2, Interesting)

Vengie (533896) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224110)

The reason i'm being plusmodded funny is the TITLE of my post. If you click on a slashdot story before it backpropagates (I'm not quite sure how the slashcode works) you get an ERROR (Title bar set to "Slashdot error) from /. that says "Nothing for you to see here, please move along." The reason it is -1 OBVIOUS, is because there's a big white/blank page staring you in the face....

Luckily, you didn't have mod points and those that do get the joke.
*sigh*

Re:"Nothing for you to see here, please move along (1)

j_heisenberg (464756) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224081)

And I want to browse comments >2 and "-1 Troll"

Interesting, the 'Read More' link ... (-1, Redundant)

twilight30 (84644) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223913)

... didn't seem to work and the link itself resulted in a 404 error. Nice recursiveness with the statement that Exeem isn't up yet!

Re:Interesting, the 'Read More' link ... (1)

Agret (752467) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223961)

Wouldn't it have resulted in a "Nothing for you to see here, move along please." error rather than a 404?

As to why the link didn't work, from the article "Since the official exeem.com website still isn't up"

Re:Interesting, the 'Read More' link ... (1)

twilight30 (84644) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224028)

Sorry , I should have been more explicit: I actually saw a 404 error inside Slashdot itself (!!) ... not the 'Nothing to see here' message you mention. I have seen the latter on previous visits, infrequently, but I just thought it ironic that the 'Read More' link just ... didn't work at all.

All of this was inside of Slashdot, not going externally to a non-existent site as you say :)

Why would I care? (5, Insightful)

Alcimedes (398213) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223916)

So it's Windows only and adware. This is nothing like Suprnova.

The parent article is a Troll.

I care (4, Insightful)

theantix (466036) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224008)

I cared before, and now I know I don't need to care any more. So to me, this news story was useful, even though like you I no longer care.

Re:Why would I care? (1)

Celt (125318) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224023)

Does this mean they'll be a exeem-lite version? ;)

Re:Why would I care? (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224142)

Suprnova adverts were HORRIBLE.
and the way the page jumped around made my eyes hurt, they were on an 8 second rotation, and it was silly at times.
I could never find a "nice" way to remove them, so put up with them.
Yes I run firefox, no I haven't got the ad extension, I accept flat none animated adverts, and have never installed flash for ff.

ironic (5, Funny)

cRueLio (679516) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223919)

you can already find cracked copies of the latest version on *gasp* bittorrent sites :)

Re:ironic (1)

bfizzle (836992) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223954)

Has anyone played with one of these cracked version to see how the network/application works?

Re:ironic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11224073)

you can already find cracked copies of the latest version on *gasp* bittorrent sites :)

Are you sure it's ironic and not redundant?

Big fleas have little fleas,
Upon their backs to bite 'em,
And little fleas have lesser fleas,
and so, ad infinitum.

Re:ironic (1)

Norgus (770127) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224078)

Has the cracked version got addware/spyware removed also?

Torrentreactor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11223928)

Torrent Reactor [torrentreactor.net] is another

I dont understand (3, Interesting)

Agret (752467) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223932)

what makes this better than other peer2peer programs like limewire or bearshare or mldonkey. If you remove the tracker/website approach then all the stuff out there becomes unverified and you lose the appeal of using BitTorrent.

Re:I dont understand (2, Informative)

jacen_sunstrider (797955) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224129)

You don't lose the appeal of BitTorrent. The tracker/website approach the SN uses was the downside. The thing that truly makes BT great is the way that it shares, not in how the trackers are shared :P

#1 Exeem download when released (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11223935)

ad-remover.

Well... (1)

Primotech (731340) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223937)

...seems like it's back to IRC.

eXeem beta. (4, Interesting)

Eeknay (766740) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223942)

If you know where to look, there's a closed beta of eXeem avaliable - however, it needs a beta key in order to join the network - and it can't be a random key, i.e. it's assigned by the Suprnova team. At the time of writing, the version I have is 0.16, and does NOT include any adverts of some sort, although yes Sloncek did confirm this earlier this evening.

The basic user interface is friendly, and it's basically a "compact" version of Kazaa (you have to use it to really understand).

As for the release date, it "won't be this week, or next week, but very very soon". It'll be an open beta, to chink out all the bugs.

Re:eXeem beta. (1)

Eeknay (766740) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224019)

Forgot to mention, eXeem will also use magnet-type links; think eDonkey/eMile, but with a exeem:// forfront instead. Instead of posting a torrent to a website, you can post a verified link that downloads the correct file.

The Obvious Question (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11223955)

Does this new successor have any built in protections to identify copyrighted works and then remove them?

Because that's what everybody uses suprnova for, right? To download legal works that isn't infringing on the rightful owners of the copyright? Right?? Right??

The silence is deafening.

Re:The Obvious Question (2, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223996)

Some of us DID use 'nova for legal stuff...

Me personally, for both 'freely distributable' software, and 'timeshifting' of broadcast TV programs that are available in my market..

Re:The Obvious Question (1)

Norgus (770127) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224138)

Actually I have a horrible feeling that it is not legal to download things shown on TV, even though you _could_ just record thm on tape. Maybe its the distribution thats illegal and not the copying.

A Great Diversion... (2, Insightful)

midnightJackal (680627) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223956)

... from the remaining BitTorrent tracking sites. Now all the kiddies can go download Exeem and the MPAA/RIAA/ can cook Exeem over the coals of the SuprNova fire while the rest of us keep using the many other tried and true tracking sites. I doubt Exeem will be around very long if they're advertising themselves as the new Suprnova.

Censorship resistant networks (4, Interesting)

Morganth (137341) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223958)

Shouldn't these developers take a look at some of the research in this area?

Tangler [nyu.edu] , FreeHaven [freehaven.net] , and Publius [nyu.edu] come to mind.

Re:Censorship resistant networks (1)

JoshG (1514) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223980)

Isn't it better to just constantly reinvent the wheel, which seems to be the normal procedure for p2p apps...

Re:Censorship resistant networks (2, Insightful)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224011)

Hysterical. Shutting down networks giving people the ability to easily pirate your materials is now "censorship?" What valuable free speech are tracker sites providing other than giving pirates easy clickable links to pirate stuff?

In reality, it has nothing to do with ideals about censorship. That's just a ruse invented to cloud the real root cause--people want to protect the websites that let them freeload stuff without having to pay for it. Nothing more, nothing less. It's not about free speech or fighting back against invented enemies like the RIAA. It's just basic thievery and wanting to get stuff for free because you can, without regard for the people making the content (notice how those poor saps are never, ever mentioned in these discussions?).

Re:Censorship resistant networks (4, Insightful)

Morganth (137341) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224106)

What the RIAA/MPAA don't realize is that they are trying to close the barnyard doors after the animals have already left.

Information and content is a lot cheaper and more easily accessible than it was a few years ago. The RIAA still sells CDs for $10-$20, when a CD holds 700MB of music/data, tops. Meanwhile, a DVD, with 8GB of Video/Music/Data, is usually in the $20 range. Already, CDs seem overpriced.

But now take the cost of a high speed internet connection ($30/mo. for cable modems around here), and how much data you have access to in how much time, and you realize that the world has definitely changed. These aren't the days of the local library and record store, but of Google and Kazaa.

The RIAA/MPAA are dinosaur organizations who don't realize the meteor has already struck and they are soon to die. So they go around frantically foraging all the food they can while the doomsday clouds loom above. Information and content is cheap. Dirt cheap. Users want fast access to it. Message to the RIAA: adapt!

People have the connections, they have the big powerful computers, all they don't have is the service. If the RIAA had the foresight to realize that a) CDs are overpriced, b) too much of CD profit goes to marketing/advertising firms and the cushy CEOs of record labels and c) they can readjust the price of music, offer it online, and dominate the market, then today we would probably have an immensely popular online music service that offers songs for $0.25, compensates artists adequately, and keeps the RIAA in business.

You have to keep up with the technological innovations if you want to survive. People pirate movies, but not nearly as many people as those who pirate music. Why? Pirating a movie is a pain in the ass right now. You get a low-quality DVD rip that doesn't easily play on your TV. Music, on the other hand, you get at near-CD quality (or CD quality), and you can easily burn a CD or put it on your MP3 player. The day that one can download 8GB of DVD video in a few minutes is the day DVD videos in stores will be severely overpriced at $20/pop.

As to your other point, the reason this research focuses on censorship-resistant systems, and uses the word censorship, is because as it stands today using no fancy techniques, one cannot be assured that the publication of any document will not be censored by those who can control access to your particular server. And if the government or any other agency wants to censor the publication of a document on the Internet, currently it can (maybe not 'legally', but technically). So this research does have a place, and is well-named.

Re:Censorship resistant networks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11224141)

Some of us don't recognise that the materials are "theirs" to own.

I'm happy enough for them to own their copy. If they don't want it replicated infinitely, then they shouldn't release it without a contract stating it may not be replicated - i.e. I think contract law is sufficient protection, automatic "copyright" has to go in the face of advancing technology.

Thank you, CmdrTaco (0, Flamebait)

rd_syringe (793064) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223964)

Thank you, CmdrTaco, from one pirate to another. Without the valuable news service Slashdot provides, I would never know about the latest piracy-tracking websites that allow me to download everything without--gasp--paying for it. I just know all the artists I'm protecting from their willingly signed contracts and all the filmmakers who spent a year of their lives making the movies I'm ripping will appreciate my actions. Damn the MPAA/RIAA for going after the downloaders, exactly as you, Rob Malda, and other Slashdotters suggested they should in 2000 during the Napster trial!

It's my right to illegally copy someone else's works and distribute them how I want. I feel I'm entitled to everything just because I want it and don't want to pay for it. Well, except GPL code--that stuff is protected by GPL copyright, darn it, and down with any company who "steals" it! But otherwise, I think all my actions are justified because I don't want to feel guilty about being a thief, so I invent entire mindsets about how it's the copyright holders whose rights I'm violating who are the bad guys. How dare they attempt to make money putting out stuff! I'm entitled to freely obtain everything they put out for sale. I also never had to work for anything in my life, and my parents bought my car for me growing up, so it's only natural I have the same sense of whiny entitlement the other bitter freeloaders have.

In case you're dense, it's sarcasm...and no, I won't be surprised to see this modded down.

Mod This UP!!!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11224001)

It's funny to see slashdot defending suprnova, lokitorrent, and other torrent sites without even making so much a peep that they were obviously intended to facilitate copyright infringement.

It's the big elephant in the room, yet the editors just gloss over this like it didn't exist.

As long as people keep thiinking like this, you'll just perpetuate the image that you guys are defending piracy.

Re:Thank you, CmdrTaco (0, Flamebait)

VistaBoy (570995) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224017)

If I had mod points, I'd mod you up. Slashdotters have the worst double-standard in the world when it comes to intellectual property.

Re:Thank you, CmdrTaco (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11224158)

yes, because we are all part of a single group overmind, and it is entirely impossible that DIFFERENT PEOPLE at a discussion website might hold DIFFERENT OPINIONS.

That was sarcasm, just in case.

You Idiot.

Re:Thank you, CmdrTaco (1)

XaviorPenguin (789745) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224060)

Momma's Boy, Daddy's Girl, Sissy, Wuss, Pansy...

Do I need to continue? ;)

Re:Thank you, CmdrTaco (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11224168)

I'm looking for a torrent site on which to share my latest mp3 collection (composed by myself, of course). Any torrent site info i can get is great.

No, if i want to be a pirate, i have other sources for music.

Adware enclosed, windows binaries only? (3, Interesting)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223977)

No thanks ..

But at least they are upfront about it.

Ha (1)

Jukashi (240273) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223979)

The best part of the interview was when they asked if there were goign to be ads on it.

"Uh.. well yes, it takes a lot of work to develop something like this so we will need to have ads"

classic.

Old Russian Lit Saying... (2, Insightful)

jamienk (62492) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223981)

"In Europe, he would have been a just lawyer, an original philosopher, a bold psychologist, an influential teacher. In Russia today, he could only be a novelist."

In some alternate universe, suprnova would have been the next indispensable web site, the next Google, the next platform for innovation, the next great leap forward for human knowledge. But in today's world, it's nothing more than hype for some new bullshit adware.

sure.... (1)

SCVirus (774240) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223987)

"source code and cross platform compatibility never hurts. These are the things that made BitTorrent a huge success" keep dreaming.... the lack of virus/trojan files and the good speed and availible of a wide variaty of files made it a success, most bittorent users don't even know what 'source code' is.

Re:sure.... (2, Insightful)

remahl (698283) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224090)

Yep, and the lack of virus/trojans was because of the open sourcedness. At least that was the reason the clients were not cluttered with adware and spyware, which I believe contributed to its success.

Re:sure.... (1)

SCVirus (774240) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224111)

I'm talking more about fake files. Such as the HL2.rar that contained 2gigs of gay porn.

Re:sure.... (1)

shird (566377) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224163)

Its more to do with its crappy centralised nature which allowed for moderated content. Which was of course led to its own undoing. People flock to the content and speed, why do you think so many people use the spyware ridden kazza? (Kazzas undoing was the fake content, not the spyware).

The reality is, BT is not a good "warez" distribution mechanism, even though its worked up until now, its only because of suprnova, which was always going to be taken down eventually. Emule is far better for this, it has search and ratings etc built in, can let you share much more content, less centralized (especially with kademilla), has a credit system etc.

Re:sure.... (2, Insightful)

Teh_monkeyCode (752769) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224092)

> most bittorent users don't even know what 'source code' is.

but they do know what Azureus, Bittornado, and ABC are, because they were allowed to be written due to the openness of the original Bittorrent's source code.

Re:sure.... (1)

Norgus (770127) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224100)

Although there is a huge selection of available clients due to it. Even if most users havnt a clue, they will at least be free to choose the client that fits their needs.

Re:sure.... (1)

oneeyedelf1 (793839) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224108)

ya cause most trackers were run on windows boxes and crashed all the time...

Re:sure.... (1)

DCstewieG (824956) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224137)

Yeah it's not like anyone uses clients other than the original Mainline. Oh wait...

It'll work (2, Insightful)

realdpk (116490) | more than 9 years ago | (#11223988)

"It'll work obviously: my headline on this story mentions Suprnova, and so will hundreds of websites around the world in the coming days."

Yep. You couldn't have chosen another title for the article that wouldn't have worked for them. Nope. Had to go with that one. And then complain that it's just a marketing scheme. Yep. I'm feeling really sorry for you for being duped here!

Is there any good FAQ on the algorithm used? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11223995)

Bittorrent has some interesting methods of making sure all parts of a file are available (sharing rarest parts first, for example), but I've been unable to find a complete list of how a file is shared.

There are some things I think would be interesting additions, such as sharing a the rarest part to users with the quickest turnaround time (determine how long it takes to download the file and then immediately upload it, and choose the person with the shortest time). Of course, that might already be the case, but I haven't been able to find out.

Ethics (3, Interesting)

BossMC (696762) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224002)

This is probably really offtopic, but that's OK because I have bad karma anyways, and no one is going to see this.

I am a student in university, and I don't have much money to my name, so I don't buy DVDs, music CDs, and so on. What do I do instead? Simple: I download them for free off of the internet. Now I get to watch movies and listen to music without spending money. I relate it to taking donuts out of a dumpster being Tim Hortons after hours.

I don't even consider things like "freedom" or "ethics," or anything for that matter. I enjoy getting something for nothing. I like it when things are one click away.

I know that it makes some people very sad to hear this, but that's Ok with me. I am a good friend and human being, and I feel really bad about the disaster in Asia. I just don't care to pay fucking money for a movie.

Thanks for listening.

Interview MP3 (5, Informative)

Z303 (724462) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224013)

Link to a torrent [torrentspy.com] of interview as an MP3.

Google+cycletax (1)

ehack (115197) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224014)

One of these days, everything will be on Google and firms will get paid by he number of cycles run in their apps, from a pool of moneys levied by bandwithtax - yuck.

Open Source? (1)

Eravnrekaree (467752) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224018)

I wonder if this will be a truly open technology, open source, and give us the ability to actually know what it is doing when it runs. And Windows only? Perhaps that will change, that wouldnt be a friendly policy to ignore users of other OSs. Microsoft isnt the entirity of the computing world.

I hope this app just isnt a commercial marketing type thing but is an open protocol, open source technology.

MP3 of the interview with Sloncek (1)

Zocalo (252965) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224040)

The whole interview is also available as a 9MB MP3 from the Suprnova site (there's a minute or so of music first). That's a direct download of the MP3 itself, not a torrents, so I won't post a clickable link to avoid Slashdotting the site. Anyone got a mirror?

Re:MP3 of the interview with Sloncek (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11224149)

torrent here: http://www.lokitorrent.com/download.php?id=90974 [lokitorrent.com]

So, the real reason suprnova shut down? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11224050)

I can't help but think the timing of all this is so convenient. Suprnova being shut down by it's creators for undisclosed reasons. Then when the drought for the warez pups is in full effect they ride in like white knights supporting a spyware program.

Hrm. Maybe this was the plan to get out of the non-paying suprnova, and blame the MPAA for it.

beta screen shots (5, Informative)

typhoonius (611834) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224052)

Well, I must be missing something (1)

lottameez (816335) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224059)

about p2p, but after ITunes came on the scene, I'd just rather pay my $.99/song and not have to screwaround with crappy adware or god-knows-what-else.

iTunes is just *part* of the solution (2, Insightful)

dn15 (735502) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224144)

Yes, the iTunes Music Store is an excellent option for music. But currently there's no good way of downloading TV shows or movies legally. We need something along the lines of an iVideo Store. The ability to download individual TV episodes for $1 or $2 would be great.

I, for example, want to get Stargate Atlantis legally without paying an extra $30 per month to get a "good" cable TV package. I don't want all the other crap, just this one program. But like audio CDs, the problem with the existing system is that you have to buy it all just to get the one or two things you want.

Missing features (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11224061)

So is this thing going to have any features to prevent unauthorized distribution of copyrighted works? Or is it just another piracy/warez tool that tries to make money off the artists' and programmers' hard work?

torrents via torrent? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11224077)

Is it possible to distribute torrents over torrent?

Why not use edonkey/emule? (1)

shird (566377) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224097)

The only good "advantage" bit torrent has over the edonkey protocol is that it is centralized and therefore content can be moderated. Also, because people generally seed/share very few torrents at a time (in comparison to other p2p programs) its generally much faster. This is the only reason it is faster, if edonkey users only shared the latest releases it would be just as fast. And to boot, couldnt be taken down as easily as something like suprnova.

emule already has a rating system, and there are plenty of 'fake search' and "release" indexes around that give hashes of "real" releases. BT is great for web sites to release legitimate content, but in reality is a poor "warez" distribution method, which is what all this is really about. The breakdown of suprnova may hopefully boost the much better p2p protocols around.

Anonymous Filesharing = Profit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11224102)

1) Have p2p network like kazaa
2) Send request for donkey.mpg to network
3) User with donkey.mpg begins sending you file with spoofed UDP packets using error correcting codes.
4) You tell the network that you are getting the file from () and everybody else stops sending it to you.
5) RIAA has no way of knowing who is sharing files and no definitive proof of who is downloading.
7) PROFIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I Can Hardly Wait!!! (1)

ferrellcat (691126) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224105)

How long until we see Exeem++?

How long will it take... (1)

Fireflymantis (670938) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224112)

Before someone figures out the protocols and writes a OSS clone of this program with the same functionality, sans adware. Any ambitious developers out there should 'acquire' themselves a copy of the beta and get a head start.

Torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11224124)

Here is the torrent for the interview, if anyone wants a listen: http://torrentspy.com/download.asp?id=116369 [torrentspy.com]

BETA Download (1)

d2_m_viant (811261) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224132)

The beta got posted here, download it: http://www.p2psecure.com/v1/index.php

Please stop encouraging copyright violation (-1, Troll)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 9 years ago | (#11224153)

When did this become: News for Pirates. Stuff to rip off.

Why can't we keep the 3133t '//areZ news on some other kind of site, maybe called it warezdot or LAMEDOT.

Verified ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11224164)

"Suprnova succeeded because the content available on it was verified and trustworthy. Suprnova was as much the work of a few dozen editors as it was a list of torrent URLs. So far no other p2p system has achieved that level of accuracy."

Quite a lot of rubbish did make it onto Suprnova. I believe the verification ended quite early in the site's history.

The few torrents I posted (and first seeded) were showing on the the front page in an astoundingly quick time if they were verified.
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