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nVidia and Infinium to Partner at CES

samzenpus posted more than 9 years ago | from the it's-all-about-the-games dept.

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JonLatane writes "It seems that nVidia is going to allow Infinium to demonstrate their Phantom "game service" at their CES booth. Since its inception, Infinium has proven to be rather belligerent about its product and will probably stay in court for a long time."

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Since it doesn't exist (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11225580)

They probably won't take up much space.

Re:Since it doesn't exist (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11225912)

lol, what?

Wait, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11225942)

Phantom, I get it. I finally get it. hahahaha

Truth is funny (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11227090)

But [slashdot.org] seriously [slashdot.org] , why [slashdot.org] is [slashdot.org] Slashdot [slashdot.org] giving [slashdot.org] these [slashdot.org] guys [slashdot.org] continual [slashdot.org] press [slashdot.org] coverage? [slashdot.org]

Ridiculously misleading topic--same as IL and MS (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11225581)

There is no "partnership." Total anti-NVIDIA BS some sites are putting on this. The fact of the matter is that IL is a customer of NVIDIA, as the machine has an FX 5600 in it. It also runs WinXP Embedded, so it's being demo'd at the MS booth as well as they announced a while ago (PDF). [infiniumlabs.com]

Re:Ridiculously misleading topic--same as IL and M (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11225916)

lol, what?

Re:Ridiculously misleading topic--same as IL and M (3, Interesting)

blueZhift (652272) | more than 9 years ago | (#11226897)

Nvidia doesn't really have anything to lose from this anyway. Industry insiders already know that the Infinium box is not likely to see the light of day much less be successful. While the general public and the less informed are not even aware of the Phantom or all of the controversy surrounding it. So as long as the demos themselves don't suck, Nvidia and MS won't mind. I would assume that putting together a decent demo is much easier than launching a successful product!

You know, if the Infinium debacle plays true to form, someday any and all things Infinium might fetch a nice sum on eBay!

First kumquat! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11225584)

First kumquat [slashdot.org] !

Re:First kumquat! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11225922)

lol, what?

Re:First kumquat! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11226230)

"Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)"
Kumquat Kum"quat, n. Chin. kin keu. (Bot.)
A small tree of the genus Citrus (C. Japonica)
growing in China and Japan; also, its small acid,
orange-colored fruit used for preserves.

Another gaming console (1)

bfizzle (836992) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225585)

Sweet another gaming console that has absolutely no games to back it.

We'll see what Sun can pull out of it's ass

http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2004-10/sunf lash.20041028.1.html [sun.com]

Re:Another gaming console (1)

civman2 (773494) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225600)

"Nearly two dozen leading game publishers have committed to provide content for the Phantom Game Service, including Atari, Codemasters, Eidos and Vivendi Universal." So they have at least some games. Those aren't the best companies in terms of making games, but you figure they'll be able to line up some decent content. Especially giving away the systems free and all.

Re:Another gaming console (2, Interesting)

suyashs (645036) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225801)

It plays PC games, so that is basically BS meant to make it seem like they have some support. Nobody is making "Phantom Exclusive" games yet...it plays PC games so thats that.

Re:Another gaming console (1)

ProfaneBaby (821276) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225606)

The phantom has a ton of games - it's just WinXP, any windows game will play on it just fine...

That's one of the (very) few things going Infinium's way.

Re:Another gaming console (4, Funny)

Lord Prox (521892) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225642)

Ohhh like "Spyware Hunter", or that trojan horse simulator game, or my favorite "WormHammer 2005" by Symantec.

Re:Another gaming console (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11227271)

Super Malware I/O Bros.
The Logfile of Z: drive
W32.Blaster Master

Re:Another gaming console (2, Interesting)

dargon (105684) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225762)

Before you comment, you should understand how the Phantom is intended to work. It won't have a cd-rom / dvd-rom drive, instead all games will be purchased via the as yet immaterial phantom gaming network, also known as the Black Knight network (or something like that). The games will then be streamed to your consoles internal hdd where the intent is that you can begin playing the game before it's fully downloaded. With no way to remove items from the HDD, eventually some of the games you 'bought' will have to be downloaded again as they will have been deleted and replaced by something else. Furthermore, should Infinium manage to actually bring a product to market and then fold, you have a console and games you've purchased but can't play since the network is required (no offline mode like steam has), not that steam is necessarily superior but atleast you can play games you've downloaded such as HL2 in offline mode.

Re:Another gaming console (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11225798)

You can only play Steam games AFTER you have authenticated with the Steam network once to decrypt the stupid DRM that comes with Steam.

Steam is just as stupid, I'm glad HL2 wasn't that great or we'd probably see much more of that junk.

Re:Another gaming console (1)

wernercd (837757) | more than 9 years ago | (#11227209)

Unfortunately I disagree with you. HL2 kicked Major Ass. If other games put that much heart into the market we wouldn't have as much crap as we do now. Look at Doom 3. Pfft.

And I personally like Steam. They just need to add support for other games and It'd really rock. Automatically updated games acrost your system would rock.

About the DRM... I think it's about time someone came up with something original. Buggy at times, but isn't all new software/buisness approaches. You come up with a better idea for a company to protect it's interests and the patent it. Maybe then you'll have the balls to not post AC.

Re:Another gaming console (3, Interesting)

sqlrob (173498) | more than 9 years ago | (#11227977)

Watermark all installs and patches that are downloaded.

Doesn't prevent fair use, allows tracking of infringers.

It allows disconnected clients to work without ever having to connect to the Internet at large, and doesn't depend on having a Windows client to connect to the net.

It plays PC games (1)

Agret (752467) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225742)

So there is a shitload of games to back it.

It's obvious (4, Funny)

Solder Fumes (797270) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225589)

Phantom, the rumors, etc, this IS the game. Just look at all the entertainment we've gotten out of it. You'll go buy the console and open up the box and there will be a nice note thanking you for playing.

Re:It's obvious (2, Funny)

Squareball (523165) | more than 9 years ago | (#11227377)

I'm thinking that at the booth they will have an Infinium Rep there telling us that their "phantom" console is sitting on the table but it's just "cloaked".. hence it's name!

FIRST POST (-1, Troll)

AnarchistSuperstar (844993) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225590)

I had to create an account, but I seen my opportunity for first post, so it rightly belongs to be because I had to deal with the beaurcratic horsedung to make first post. Oh god this is such an honor. Oh, NVIDIA BLOWS ATI RULES!

Re:FIRST POST (0, Offtopic)

AnarchistSuperstar (844993) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225614)

or 3rd post. I would have had first post had I already created an account. But this is something I wanted to do before I died. So, I feel that aside from bastardizing /. with my inane dribble I'd like to add something of value to this conversation. Whose going to finance the Phanton? Nvidia? Last I heard it was a couple hundred thousand dollars (or million, I forget) down the hole.

Read my replies instead of modding me down (0, Offtopic)

AnarchistSuperstar (844993) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225647)

I'm totally going to be banned from /. for life for pulling this sh-t. Oh well.

FUCK YOU SACK OF SHIT (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11225693)

loser.

:o) (0, Offtopic)

mg2 (823681) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225591)

God, finally.

Infinium stock tumbles (5, Informative)

dannytaggart (835766) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225592)

In other news, Infinium Labs' stock tumbled [yahoo.com] 11% today.

Re:Infinium stock tumbles (1)

Chmarr (18662) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225712)

Funny you should mention that... a few days ago the company I work for got some Fax Spam trying to promote Infinium's OTC stock.

Looks like someone was desperate to prop it up enough to get out.

Re:Infinium stock tumbles (5, Informative)

ProfaneBaby (821276) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225750)

It was trading at $0.58 on 2004/12/22 - it closed at $0.90 today (2004/12/30) after peaking around $1.41 at the opening Tuesday (2004/12/28).

If you bought last Thursday, and sold on Tuesday, you could have made 240% - a modest $1000 investment would have made you $1431 profit.

If the fax really was a pump-and-dump, it worked.

Re:Infinium stock tumbles (4, Insightful)

Datasage (214357) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225781)

it looks like they are releaseing several PR releases per month to boost their stock price. Now why exactly the company has gone public before they actually have a product is beyond me.

It sounds like the buiness plan was somthing like:
1. Start a company
2. Generate lots of publicity about a product
3. Go public.
4. Sell all your stock.
5. Watch your company burn from a private resort in the bahamas.
And when you wasted most of your money on hookers and cars, repeat.

Missing step! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11226339)

They found the missing step!

1. Steal underwear
2. Follow Infinum Labs Scheme
3. Profit!

GENIUS!

Re:Infinium stock tumbles (5, Interesting)

GrfxGuru (571310) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225892)

Look at the 3 month graph of the stock here [yahoo.com] . Look at the volume starting on Dec 17. They went from trading less than 500,000 shares a day to approx 5,000,000 a day from the 17th to today.

When there is no external information that would cause the stock to move that much, it is very fishy (as others have said, possibly a pump & dump). These things set off alarms over at the SEC. Unfortunately (or fortunately, if you're in on it), they move verrrryyy sloooowwly.

It is quite possible Infinium had nothing to do with this.

Re:Infinium stock tumbles (2, Insightful)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 9 years ago | (#11227247)

The SEC is slow and cautious about these things because any stock being investigated will be treated like radioactive waste by investors, often the company will be destroyed when it's stock bottoms out and stays low.

Re:Infinium stock tumbles (1)

Trick (3648) | more than 9 years ago | (#11228026)

If you're looking for an external stimulus, try here [findlaw.com] .

Looks like someone's been pumping up Infinium's stock using fraudulant junk faxes.

Three splits and not even breaking $2.50 (2, Interesting)

KalvinB (205500) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225972)

I wish my stock (AVN) would split that often for no good reason. AVN gets good news from successful drug trials and barely budges.

Infinium looks like it might be good for day trading if you have money to throw away. When the stock is trading under $1 and losing money it's a really bad sign. It's also "over the counter" which means it's not actually being traded on the major markets.

I would need really good positive information before putting anything on it. At this point it's pure gambling since the value of the stock is based purely on investors and not on any sort of product and consumer market value. There's no product for people to buy to raise the value of the stock. The only product is the stock itself.

Poor nVidia... (1)

ZSpade (812879) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225595)

They must either have no idea how despised this company is, or Infinium has pictures of them hucking kittens. Either way...

Re:Poor nVidia... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11225711)

Startups are not allowed in the US anymore?

True some mistakes were made by IL. Too bad shitheads like Kyle can't understand that companies have to start somewhere when they don't start with a couple billions.

Maybe IL should start making some "hi-tech" mousepads on the side too.

Re:Poor nVidia... (3, Informative)

TarrVetus (597895) | more than 9 years ago | (#11226058)

Startups are not allowed in the US anymore? True some mistakes were made by IL. Too bad Kyle can't understand that companies have to start somewhere when they don't start with a couple billions.

Ah, thank you for that wonderfully misinformed opinion. This gives me the opportunity to point out the obvious lies, deceit, and chicanery [hardocp.com] (thank you Penny Arcade [penny-arcade.com] ) produced by the Infinium Labs 'company.' Please, observe the Infinium Labs HQ [hardocp.com] --yes, that is a mail depot.

That's right! (1)

reality-bytes (119275) | more than 9 years ago | (#11226512)


Surely you know by now that being a 'start-up' business in the US is strictly forbidden by law and the USPTO?

Isn't a partnership at all...they're simply a (4, Interesting)

Polarism (736984) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225602)

client.

This is just a case of a vendor allowing a client to do some free advertisement for them, even if the thing is vaporhardware.

Re:Isn't a partnership at all...they're simply a (1)

Fnkmaster (89084) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225826)

Actually it's even simpler than that. If you commit to buying a bunch of nVidia's shit, they will gladly let you exhibit at their booth. nVidia is a business, and if they think a company is going to spend a few million VC dollars placing large orders for graphics chips with them, they aren't going to refuse them some space alongside their other clients.

Of course, there's nothing about "partner" or any other special relationship beyond nVidia selling their chips to Infinium in the article (really a press release) that I read. They are trying to make themselves look legitimate though, but it's pretty pathetic that this is the best scheme they can come up with for doing that.

yah that's pretty much what I meant :) (1)

Polarism (736984) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225867)

You buy company A's stuff, and they aren't going to mind if you get up on the soapbox and show off the product. ;)

Does this sound like it's happened before? (5, Funny)

homeobocks (744469) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225608)

News on the Phantom? I guess its killer game will be Duke Nukem Forever.

They rip people off... Is the public next? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11225618)

They have burned so many bridges and screwed so many people. I am one of those people... I am sure nVidia had nothing to do with that press release, otherwise they would have made a release as well. nVidia will let most large customers or game developers with a some-what known product have space in thier CES booth. Maybe Infinium will sue me for posting this ;)

"Gamers want crisp, vivid images," said Kevin B (1)

adlaiff6 (810221) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225627)

Wow. Infinium Labs sure employs the creme de la creme.... You sure about that, Kev-boy?

Re:"Gamers want crisp, vivid images," said Kevin B (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11226104)

I prefer my soggy, dull images, thank you very much!

Re:"Gamers want crisp, vivid images," said Kevin B (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11227118)

C:\###

Can Someone Explain This To Me (2, Interesting)

Class Act Dynamo (802223) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225633)

Just like everyone else, I have read about this system and laughed at all the jokes we have had at its expense. I have to ask, though, what benefit does this company get out of constantly hyping this seemingly nonexistant product? Is it that they had some idea that they boasted about before realizing it's not quite so easy to just build a new gaming system, or is it that this is some bizarre, ass-backwards means of getting publicity for future products? I agree, though, with an above poster. The fun seems to be in watching this company constantly hype a phantom product (pun most definitely intended) and making jokes about it.

Re:Can Someone Explain This To Me (2, Interesting)

barc0001 (173002) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225688)

Just like everyone else, I have read about this system and laughed at all the jokes we have had at its expense. I have to ask, though, what benefit does this company get out of constantly hyping this seemingly nonexistant product?

Well, you get more investment money from suckers by doing this sort of thing, as well as trying to move the stock price if you've pulled in enough suckers to go public.

Look at it this way: Imagine you're broke, and living in your parents' basement. Would you rather:
a) Get a job at McDonalds
b) Go to college for a few years, build up student loans, get a job, pay them off over several years, or
c) Get a bunch of your friends together, form a company, announce a "product" that sounds awe inspriring to people with money, and set you and your friends up with high salaries once the investment captial for "product development" comes in. Everyone socks the cash away while doing smoke and mirrors shows for a couple of years until the investors finally don't put any more money in, and the company tanks. But since you and your friends have each put away 6 figures doing this, you're set for a while.
Find another "idea", and "product", rinse, repeat. However, it's a good idea when forming new companies to let some of your friends rotate between the positions, so that you don't have the same guy as president, CFO, etc all the time. That way you don't get someone coming up at an investment do and saying "weren't you just the CEO of so and so that tanked also? Why are you now CEO of this?"

Bilking venture capitalists. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11225853)

No underpants gnome joke this time, since it actually works:

1. Make up "revolutionary" product.
2. Wait for venture capitalists to take a risk on your company and then continue to syphon money with corp-u-speak and plain old lies.
3. Profit!

Re:Can Someone Explain This To Me (1)

proverbialcow (177020) | more than 9 years ago | (#11227697)

My guess - they're trying to build demand for a product that doesn't exist (or only exists in prototype) to attract a buyer who would rather buy out a competitor than out-perform them.

I wonder who might do that... If the Phantom announces an oversized controller designed for kids with hand-gigantism, my suspicions will be confirmed.

strange bedfellows (4, Funny)

trs9000 (73898) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225655)

You know, at first I was all like "What?! This is a bad idea nVidia; what are you thinking?" like a concerned parent....
But then I realized you know it's probably okay cause Infinium probably won't even show up.... so

Re:strange bedfellows (1)

mrseigen (518390) | more than 9 years ago | (#11226108)

Well, they'll still get paid for flogging old nForce motherboards at them..

Ya right... (5, Interesting)

Mr_Whoopass (164559) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225686)

Far be it from me to call B.S. on something before having seen it, but lately hardware manufacturers seem to be relying more and more on "Press Releases" and benchamrks to garner attention, and thus investor money rather than truly innovating as was the norm only a few years back. Tom's hardware got sick of pandering to the hardware companies claims and said they were going to put an end to it.

http://www4.tomshardware.com/column/20041011/index .html [tomshardware.com]

This reeks of a venture capital marketing strategy to me, but I suppose once the show is over and we see what they have to offer, I might change my mind. At the moment though this press release seems more hype than anything else judging from past experience with Infinium.

whaaaa!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11226235)

You say Tom's Hardware complains of exaggerated claims, and false companies with fake products.

That's not what that article says. That article merely complains that Tom's Hardware isn't getting sufficient advance notice of new releases. In other words, Tom's Hardware isn't getting advance notice so they can post their review and get your clicks before someone else reads about them on an actual news site.

This isn't about principles or crazy claims. It's about money, pure and simple. Tom's Hardware wants to be your news source and thus have you view their ads, and constant leaks are making that something NVidia and ATI can no longer guarantee.

More like a Boiler Room op (1)

FireBook (593941) | more than 9 years ago | (#11226426)

Makes alot more sense to me. Not so much smoke and mirrors as smokey, hot air.

Re:Ya right... (1)

spammacus (805242) | more than 9 years ago | (#11227714)

I agree. Thing is, a few years back, companies used equity to finance a product or service. Then they started using a product or service to "finance equity". This is of course arse-backwards and of no benefit to either the consumer or the long-term investor. It puts the long-term interests of the corporation in the hand of the most short-sighted stakeholders - the traders.

Now since the 90's some people have figured out that you don't even need a product or service - you can use _hype_ to "finance your equity" instead. How long before it all comes crashing down?

IMHO the current state of the financial system is completely screwed-up.

Reading the article... (5, Funny)

cerberus4696 (765520) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225710)

Reading the article, it seems that Venture Capitalists have given this company $25M without a product, business plan, or even a physical place of business.

The '90s are BACK, baby!!!

Re:Reading the article... (1)

Tobias.Davis (844594) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225829)

Reference: http://www.directx.com/home.htm In its latest filing with the US S.E.C. Infinium says it'll have to spend $US 22.2M over the next 12 months in order to execute its "current business strategy". Basically it says it'll need $US 11.5M to launch the Phantom Game Service and sell the first 10,000 units. Then another $US 10.7M to "achieve cash flow break even". Then, as if that weren't enough, it says it anticipates having to spend another $US 20.2M over the next 16 months for promotion and services. They have a lot of stretching to do with that 20k in the bank!

Re:Reading the article... (1)

cerberus4696 (765520) | more than 9 years ago | (#11226040)

And I'm not even convinced that they even have a service (or for that matter, any units). This article [hardocp.com] (linked to in the original post) really makes for a good read. The resume of Infineum's "Chairman and CEO" reads like a catalogue of dotcom revolution woe, and there are also some amusing pictures of Infinium's "headquarters" (an empty unit in a strip mall, apparently, with their mail being dropped off at the Mailboxes, etc. next door). I honestly can't figure out why in God's name anyone would invest money in these guys.

Good! (-1, Redundant)

Lord_Dweomer (648696) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225754)

Its a good thing Infinium is still getting press. It is one of the few solid sources of humor here on Slashdot to see what claims they make, and what mockups they demonstrate.

I can't wait to see this. Hell, I think this might be more entertaining than actually playing a game on the Phantom!

Big deal by the time it comes out (1)

Agret (752467) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225758)

it will be terribly out of date and won't be able to play any of the games you want it to play such as Half-Life 2. Expect to see another "classics" console as game developers just need to give permission for the games to go on there what with it being Windows XP and all. But does it run Linux?

This console is doomed to failure! (0, Redundant)

Agret (752467) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225772)

From dictionary.com http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=phantom phantom also fantom Audio pronunciation of "phantom" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fntm) n. Something apparently seen, heard, or sensed, but having no physical reality; a ghost or an apparition. Something elusive or delusive. An image that appears only in the mind; an illusion. Something dreaded or despised.

And the next day... (5, Funny)

supabeast! (84658) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225776)

ATI has announced that Infinium will cancel the product and declare bankruptcy at the ATI booth the day later.

When it comes down to it... (1)

Tobias.Davis (844594) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225779)

My home PC that I spent 1000 on and carefully self customized and tweaked will still beat the pants off of this "phantom" if it ever comes around. Idiots, leave M$ to their XBOX peddling, at least mods for the 'Box are easy to install.

Let's hope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11225783)

it doesn't end up becoming a phantom menace.

Whatever you say... (5, Funny)

Albinofrenchy (844079) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225789)

I dont care what people say, the Infinium and the Phantom console will be a household name in a year. Kind of in the same way Enron was.

Re:Whatever you say... (1)

FireBook (593941) | more than 9 years ago | (#11226435)

It certainly will be for those that fell for it and bought stock...

Why does MS/nVidia care? (3, Interesting)

dcviper (251826) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225818)

I think the real question is, why is Microsoft and nVidia giving his thing any free press? Or, why is MS and nV giving up booth space at CES? If and when this thing ever comes out, it has all the earmarks of being an XBOX competitor? Perhaps they are thinking buyout, but of what; Does infinium own any patents? And, are they concerned about the well known flap between Infinium and [H]ardOCP.

r/dcviper

Re:Why does MS/nVidia care? (2, Informative)

shark72 (702619) | more than 9 years ago | (#11226052)

"Or, why is MS and nV giving up booth space at CES?"

They're probably in the Microsoft Partner Pavilion along with a metric squillion other vendors. Doesn't take much to get space there. It's part of their strategy of showing off how many friends they have, at the same time that they recoup some of the cost of their booth space.

"And, are they concerned about the well known flap between Infinium and [H]ardOCP."

Well known among OCP and /. readers.

I'm a little impressed... (3, Interesting)

St. Arbirix (218306) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225842)

From the Yahoo article:

The Phantom Game Service will be delivered over broadband to a Windows XP Embedded-based receiver that sits with other devices in the room where family members go for entertainment.

Nearly two dozen leading game publishers have committed to provide content for the Phantom Game Service, including Atari, Codemasters, Eidos and Vivendi Universal.

Show attendees can also see Phantom in the Microsoft Corp. booth in the Central Hall, No. 7145.

Whatever they've got, they've managed to get whatever a "commitment" is worth out of some pretty solid game publishers as well as space in NVIDIA and Microsoft booths at the show. It also looks like they're letting game publishers cut a lot of middle-men out of the way (except for the publisher, of course (like Valve didn't do)) by putting games over broadband. They've got that going for them at least. Before Half-Life 2 went out over Steam this was never on such a scale before.

Plus they've already managed to sue a few people which shows they've got some dice. They'll get along really pretty with the likes of that crowd. Unfortunately though, I remember when it was first announced, and I remember Linux being mentioned. Now it'll sit in a MS booth which may be awesome for them but is a little tragic for everyone who hoped getting a Linux console out there would lead to better Linux game support.

Re:I'm a little impressed... (1)

computerme (655703) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225906)

"commitment" may mean, EA etc.. just tests that it runs on it and if does then it "supports" it. Its embedded XP, if phantom made it too different they knew they could not get people to support it so it probably works with just about any app out of the box save for hd / save issues.

Re:I'm a little impressed... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11226085)

Slow down, friend. That was no "article", that was a press release. Printed verbatim like that, it's a paid advertisement on Yahoo. See the link at the bottom for eReleases.

The "commitment" can be this simple: "Will you, game publisher X, provide content for Phantom Game Service if we attain Y market share?"

im from infinium labs guys. im so cool. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11225852)

hey guys. im from infinium labs. you're f***ed. our product is gonna be so cool, its gonna be a revolution in gaming. its gonna allow you to play computer games, ON YOUR TV. aka, dvi/vga to rca converter.

Is it really vaporware? Doesnt sound like it. (1, Flamebait)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225923)

Sun Microsofts confirmed they are partnering on a new game channel with Infinium. Kevin Bachus who launched the Xbox is the President of Infinium Labs. Nvidia is working with Infinium to demo the product at CES at their booth.

Doesn't sound or act like vaporware.

Re:Is it really vaporware? Doesnt sound like it. (2, Funny)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225935)

That was suppose to be Sun Microsystems, Sun Microsofts, thats a nightmare I don't want to even think about.

"Sun Microsoft" (2, Funny)

Dr.Dubious DDQ (11968) | more than 9 years ago | (#11226258)

Wouldn't really matter. To repeat a rehash of an old joke:

Q:"What do you get when you cross Microsoft and Sun?"

A:"Microsoft."

Re:Is it really vaporware? Doesnt sound like it. (4, Insightful)

barc0001 (173002) | more than 9 years ago | (#11226549)

By "launched" you mean he was one of the people working in some capacity with the Xbox at Microsoft, right?
That press release on Yahoo [yahoo.com] tries to claim he's the creator of the Xbox. I think Seamus Blackley [shacknews.com] may have a different opinion.

The bottom line is this: we have seen JACK from Infinium Labs so far, except for stellar promises, and lawsuits against naysayers who dare to actually poke into the public record background of Kevin Bacchus and his buddies to either substantiate his claims (like where he tries to claim he built the Xbox) or disprove them.
Any goofball with a bunch of seed money can walk up to a company like Nvidia and negotiate an order for a bunch of chips, and parlay that into a joint promotional junket. Whether or not they do anything useful with the chips after they get them is another matter.

If you think that getting a big company like Nvidia to be happy in the same physical space as you is an excellent indicator of "real", try this one on:
A place I once worked had convinced IBM to fly in all of their senior guys in western Canada for our product demo. We had about 20 guys from IBM on hand. Senior managers, VPs, etc. We did the product demo in a building we were planning on buying, but at the moment didn't own, and was in fact still for sale. The company talked a great game to the realtors and current owner of the building as well, so we got to use the building pretty much like it was ours for almost a half year since they were fully convinced we were buying it outright any time now.

The company talked a great game, and the IBM guys drooled so much over our pie-in-the-sky visions we almost had to use a mop. At the end of it all they extended us a bottomless line of credit for whatever we liked, LOANED us an s/390 worth $600,000 so we could "play with a few things on it", and were desperate to get in on the ground floor with us. Becuase, you see, we were going to "Change the World!". The s/390 wasn't even central to our plan, it was just a "Hey maybe we could use the VMs on the s/390 for X" that we tossed out there and IBM practically begged us to take one back to our office and try it out. There were only a dozen people in Canada at the time who even knew how to run Linux VMs on the things, and IBM flew one of them into town just for us.

8 months later, the company laid 65% of its staff off, merged with another failing company, and I believe is currently lurching along zombie-fashion with a single salaried employee today in addition to its two "directors".

But for a few months there, we could have had IBM send down guys to do anything for us because of what we "showed" them we were going to do.

Aaah. The power of vapor.

Believe NOTHING unless you see it actually work. For real. Not a company run "demo".

Not even an AP news release... sad. (1)

Killjoy-Modus (838414) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225928)

"Source: Infinium Labs"

And for $399, you too can have your custom press releases [ereleases.com] sent to the likes of Yahoo, MSN, and the National Enquirer!

NVIDIA in great position (2, Insightful)

DiscordOfFive (778099) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225939)

NVIDIA, of all companies, should know if this thing is real or not. If they filled an order for a ton of GPU's and such for Infinium, they'd have reason to believe the aptly named "Phantom" is real. Or maybe, they like everyone else here, seems to think it doesn't exist, and is taking an opportunity to publically call out Infinium and prove it.

Re:NVIDIA in great position (1)

analog_line (465182) | more than 9 years ago | (#11228015)

Merely ordering GPUs will not prove that it's real or not. Plenty of vaporware companies in the dot.bomb had huge server racks, IT people, secretaries, business plans, hardware and software developed.

I'm sure Infinium is buying GPUs for whatever it is they are developing. Whether what they are developing will ever see the market, or if anyone will buy it, is anyone's guess.

That sounds a lot like MCE.. (1)

xtremee (739126) | more than 9 years ago | (#11225943)

The Phantom Game Service will be delivered over broadband to a Windows XP Embedded-based receiver that sits with other devices in the room where family members go for entertainment.

I have seen a video demonstrating the latest products from "Redmond's finest" and that sounds a lot like Windows Media Center edition.
Of course, if the device needs Windows MCE in order to operate, Microsoft also has to be there to show up their product to the public.
If this is correct, the phantom will only work if windows mce works, but that's just a theory.

Just my $0.02

A simple explanation (0, Redundant)

BortQ (468164) | more than 9 years ago | (#11226075)

nVidia doesn't really have anything to lose from this. Something that doesn't exist doesn't take up very much booth space at all.

Add some ethics / Contact Nvidia (3, Informative)

augustz (18082) | more than 9 years ago | (#11226113)

It's one thing to sell your product broadly.

It's another thing to ACTIVELY PROMOTE this type of company by putting them in your trade show booth.

These companies can do better.

Send a little note:

We don't care who you sell your product too, but don't actively promote scum like infinium.
Who's side are you on? The nice guys, or the litigation prone?

Mention the Nvidia CES booth.

I'm including some address below.

Carrie Cowan
Consumer/Games/Partner PR Manager
ccowan@nvidia.com
+1 (408) 486 7330

Brian Burke
Desktop PR Manager
bburke@nvidia.com
+1 (512) 401 4385

Bryan Del Rizzo
Platform Products PR Manager
bdelrizzo@nvidia.com
+1 (408) 486 2772

Infinium is the company that is suing an enthusiest site and its operator personally for $20,000,000 for providing what appears to be basically accurate information about its products.[1]

The gaming / enthusiest market is a core market for Nvidia. Not only does Nvidia have to wake up in the morning knowing they are supporting a litigation prone (and otherwise apparently unsuccesful) company (infinium), but they also have to live with the business decision of actively supporting a company that is engaged in litigation with the very folks who buy and promote their product! And that the litigation appears to be pretty unjustified.

[1]
PLEASE READ THE LINKS IN THE ARTICLE AND REACH YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS. THESE ARE SIMPLY OPINIONS BASED ON A QUICK REVIEW OF THE LINKED MATERIAL.

Re:Add some ethics / Contact Nvidia (1)

fondue (244902) | more than 9 years ago | (#11227350)

Your righteous indignation is hilarious. How old are you, twelve?

"It's another thing to ACTIVELY PROMOTE this type of company by putting them in your trade show booth."

What type of company? Can you provide a reasoned argument as to why nVidia shouldn't deal with Infinium, one that doesn't lazily cite pre-formed opinions handed down from puerile comic strips and angry loners?

"Who's side are you on? The nice guys, or the litigation prone?"

Do you think for one second that nVidia, or any even vaguely professional company, wouldn't (rightly) resort to litigation if it was libelled by an "enthusiest" (sic) site?

Grow up, you pompous clown.

Backward strategy (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11226119)

Infinium's business plan:
1. Profit!
2. ???
3. Bankruptcy

follow up press release (1)

Bram Stolk (24781) | more than 9 years ago | (#11226138)

here's a follow up press release:
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/041230/305038_1. html

i wonder what "xbox creator" exaclty means here.

'console' -> 'service' == bad sign (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11226310)

Surely I can't be the only one here who was employed at dot-coms during the height of the vulture capital. Am I the only one who's noticed the huge shift in the 'underlying business model', such as it is? This is never a good sign.

We all certainly saw companies who talked about the great things they were going to do, took their sweet time not doing them, then abruptly announced that when the great things happened, they were going to be _totally different_, _even better_ things. This always used to mean that the upper management was stalling for time, either to suck more money out of the vultures or to locate a group of even dumber idiots to buy them out. Was there a rules change that I missed?

Prediction: No product, service, concept, teakettle, weapons system or other potential interpretation of the "Phantom This Week's Catchphrase" will ever be released. A lot of vulture money will be pissed away on amazingly stupid things. It'll all end in a welter of lawsuits, most of which will end only when there's no more money for the lawyers to get.

"I heard Timothy Roberts, CEO of Infinium Labs..." (1)

payndz (589033) | more than 9 years ago | (#11226355)

Will he be there? And if so, will we see him achieve orgasm after he kills a dog? [penny-arcade.com]

W00t! (0, Flamebait)

zagmar (20261) | more than 9 years ago | (#11226413)

W00t! More stories about games! Fucking LOSERS, get a FUCKING LIFE and stop playing GAMES!

Re:W00t! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11228004)

Why play games when you can spend that time criticizing them on /.?

Man, get your priorities in line people!

You FaiL It!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11226508)

More details.. (1)

mstefanus (705346) | more than 9 years ago | (#11226607)

Nvidia will design a special graphics chip for the Phantom console, and it will be named Nvidia VX 666 Phantom edition (V as in Vaporware).

Infinium seeking successful product for spite? (1)

oneiron (716313) | more than 9 years ago | (#11226895)

I get the feeling they just want to spite HardOCP, so they've decided to really go for it. If not for all the negative exposure, they probably would have skipped out with the investor money a long time ago.

Now it's personal.

Not in court for a long time. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11226910)

Since its inception, Infinium has proven to be rather belligerent about its product and will probably stay in court for a long time.

Or maybe not such a long time [gaminghorizon.com] . Infinium lost.

Pinch off a loaf (2, Funny)

Corellon Larethian (833606) | more than 9 years ago | (#11227181)

And it'll be worth more than the Phantom.

This thing has a Geforce 5600 in it, and it downloads the game as you play it. It will completely bomb at release, and the only guy that will end up winning is the "CEO". He's made something like $10 million off the investors.

This thing will tank like those Divx players at Circuit City tanked. You could give one as a birthday present, and the receipent would act the same as if you had sqat down and pinched a loaf in the box and wrapped that.

This is what is so awesome about marketing. Investor beware.

Late late late (1)

sqlrob (173498) | more than 9 years ago | (#11227472)

Wasn't Phantom supposed to be in stores November 14th or so?

Yet they are only going to demo it at CES?
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