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TiVo to Go Released

Hemos posted more than 9 years ago | from the go-forth-and-experiment dept.

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SimCityHippy wrote to us with the news that TiVo has TiVo To Go. Right now, the To Go feature is supported only on Windows XP & Win2k; no word on whether the feature will be rolled out to OS X or WinME. It's also interesting to note that while they recommend Windows MP, VLC gets a nod as well.

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fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11243572)

First post, suckahs!!!!!

Slashdot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11243574)

Advertisements for Nerds. Stuff that matters.

What are you doing.... (2, Insightful)

wapanesechick (843304) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243580)

Sir, do you have that project I asked for? Not quite.... What are you doing...... Nothing... Are you watching TV? This is what's going to happen in office everywhere!

Re:What are you doing.... (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243633)

How many bosses call their underlings "sir?"

Re:What are you doing.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11243786)

I like your sig. May I interest you in a map?

Re:What are you doing.... (1)

Palverone (166646) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243963)

Hey stupid is more like it... Anything else and the fear of being sacked overwhelmes me :(

Re:What are you doing.... (-1, Troll)

cellophane01 (693308) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243635)

I thought you were talking to the idiots at TiVo who developed this disappointing, DRM trashed Windows only feature.

Re:What are you doing.... (1, Funny)

Errtu76 (776778) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243688)

please name the company where your superiors address you as 'Sir', because i'd love to work there

Re:What are you doing.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11243814)

And people wonder why they lose their jobs.

Hi THere! First Post!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11243581)

Hi There!

First Post!

What other products have this capability? (3, Interesting)

duplo1 (719988) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243587)

I've been staring at my Scientific Atlantic DVR with the usb and firewire ports for a while just willing them to go live so I can transfer my shows.

Are there any products besides the Tivo that support transfering video over the network or perhaps via firewire/usb2?

Re:What other products have this capability? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11243606)

I've been doing this for a coupel months now with my ReplayTV.

Re:What other products have this capability? (1)

burbs (225769) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243656)

Haven't you wondered why TiVo is getting so much press about this when ReplayTV already had these features?

Re:What other products have this capability? (2, Insightful)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243739)

Haven't you wondered why TiVo is getting so much press about this when ReplayTV already had these features?

Not at all. Especially on Slashdot, people seem to have blinders on that TiVo == DVR. They even use TiVo as a verb. I really don't understand it either since there are other alternatives to TiVo like ReplayTV or even free ones like MythTV. Why do people so vehemently defend TiVo even when they do stupid things like announce wanting to put commercials on while you fast forward and openly oppose copying the shows off your system in order to archive them? BTW, "Hacks" don't count, that functionality should be built into the system to let you copy the digital movie format off the hard drive and transfer it to your PC with little trouble.

Re:What other products have this capability? (4, Informative)

grung0r (538079) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243621)

ReplayTV supports transfers over the network via DVarchive [dvarchive.org]. The old 5000 ReplayTV series can share over the network nativly.

Obligatory product bashing (4, Interesting)

Monoman (8745) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243592)

Now we get to hear from all the folks that say Tivo sucks and how Myth and ??? is better. If you haven't actually used a Tivo for a week then you probably can't say.

The same goes for me I guess becuase I haven't spent any time with Myth of whatever else is out there. I just know that my Tivo works and it is simple enough for my parents to use it.

Re:Obligatory product bashing (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11243640)

Tivos suck because you can't buy them here in Holland :(

Re:Obligatory product bashing (5, Informative)

Umrick (151871) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243713)

Having both a Tivo Series 2 and a Myth TV box...

Out of the box, Tivo is much nicer. After pulling hair and much fighting, MythTV is a heck of a lot nicer. There was a lot of pain to get there though, definately not for the faint of heart.

The main thing I learned in the process is don't overcomplicate. A PVR-250 is a fine card to use, the PVR-350 is just more features to pull out hair over.

TV Listings are a pain though. I have Direcway satellite as nothing else is available. The satellite receiver does some strange proxying. Because of that, my MythTV TV listings must be fetched via a ssh tunnel to a tinyproxy box at the office, otherwise it just fails.

If you have time, and patience, the MythTV solution is much more satisfying, otherwise Tivo is probably a better bet.

In our house, both are used. When Tivo finally dies though, it'll be replaced by MythTV.

Re:Obligatory product bashing (4, Informative)

wizbit (122290) | more than 9 years ago | (#11244202)

Same situation here - Series 2 TiVo and a nice orphaned Windows PC-turned-MythTV box give me some experience with both.

I find myself hardly using the TiVo these days. I've moved all the "season pass" show schedules over to the Myth box. Originally got going with Myth because it would let me play my assortment of DivX movie files and let me record/watch tv simultaneously with a second tuner card, and the level of control linux/myth give me is keeping me on it.

One oddity - the best way to share video in multiple rooms with myth seems to be to NFS a huge volume with your recorded video. I remember Tivo's multi-room viewing gave you a combined list of programs and, when requesting one from another Tivo unit, simply downloaded the program to the one requesting the video and played it when ready. It'd be nice if I had each frontend contribute storage to the other frontends without having to build a huge storage machine and worry about it frying one night and losing all my saved programs.

Anyway.

I agree that the 350 is more needless hair-pulling for most, but if you're setting up separate backend/frontend boxen, a 350 is a nice one-card solution for watching TV on a cheap-o linux machine. Then again, so is a motherboard with on-board TV-out and ethernet.

My main concern right now (and one of the reasons I've not dumped another grand into building a nicer backend machine and some frontends around the house) is Myth is currently only useful for analog cable. The HDTV cards out there can only receive OTA signals (unencrypted) and the future of cable TV seems to be cable company-provided receivers w/ PVR capability that aren't easily controlled from a PC. Sure, there's some work being done for the firewire ports on some of the newer receivers, and you can usually get an IRblaster going or something to control the unit, but, bye-bye multiple recordings to my backend, and so on.

Myth could use some polish (I still like the satisfying little beeps and blurps when I use the Tivo) but I'm surprised at how much it does already. KnoppMyth [mysettopbox.tv] is making strides to lower the learning curve for new setups. DVD burning still takes some hard work, but it's getting easier, and MythDVD has built-in background ripping/transcoding. Cool add-ons like MythPhone and mfe are fun to play with and could become more useful soon. And the Hauppauge cards are just wonderful - kudos and much thanks to Chris Kennedy and the IvyTV community for supporting this hardware so diligently. I'll be a Myth user for a long time if I can get an acceptable HD solution working with it.

Re:Obligatory product bashing (2, Informative)

enrico_suave (179651) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243718)

tivo doesn't suck (and yes I have/use one).

But they are getting a little to cozy with the content providers and advertisers for my taste, hence why I also use a homebrew PVR [byopvr.com] so that the "man" can't tell me how long I can keep six feet under "taped" [boingboing.net] or whether or not I can backup Sopranos to DVD.

=P

with that said, I'm eager to see how well TivoToGo works as it does address one of my major annoyances with TiVo STB (vs homebrew PVR/Myth boxen) -- content portability.

e.

Re:Obligatory product bashing (2, Informative)

iamacat (583406) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243924)

Yes, but how do you justify paying $13/month for just a program guide which is free on tv.yahoo.com or your cable provider's site? Or keeping a landline for TiVo to use when you probably already have broadband and a cell phone? Also don't you sometimes want to send a VCD of your favourite episode to a friend?

If MythTV is too complicated to setup, just get the cheapest Windows PC and use whatever PVR program comes with the TV tuner. Might want to throw in a wireless keyboard+trackpad.

Re:Obligatory product bashing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11244037)

AC - only b/c i already have moderated in this thread. TiVo doesn't require a landline. You can get a wired or wireless network adapter and use your broadband connection.

Re:Obligatory product bashing (1)

Monoman (8745) | more than 9 years ago | (#11244146)

I don't pay $13/month. I got the lifetime subscription early on. With the Tivo service, i can setup "season passes" for my shows.

Season passes are not the same as setting a date/time and duration to record. I believe season passes are keyed to the program name and the channel. Season passes have options for things like

* Record first showings only, repeats, etc
* Quality of recording
* Number of showings to retain.

You don't need to maintain a phone line either. If you have broadband then you can get the updates over that connection if you install a network adapter in the USB port.

as longas we're stcuck with stingy ISP (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11243593)

upload bandwidth, we still can't watch our favorite programs remotely. Perhaps tivo2go will create enough demand for increased to change their tune.

Re:as longas we're stcuck with stingy ISP (1)

SCHecklerX (229973) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243889)

Yeah, right. My ISP caps my outbound mail to a maximum of 1000 recipients a day (which sucks, since I manage community mail lists that have > 130 members each). All while promoting "video mail", which a single one eats up far more than a hundred messages to my lists.

Re:as longas we're stcuck with stingy ISP (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243931)

The problem with this is that the two most common broadband systems were never designed for upstream data. DSL was originally designed for TV on demand, which didn't need it much. Asking a single copper twisted pair to handle such a data demand both ways over long distances is a bit much. I don't think cable was originally designed for upstream transmissions in the first place.

Re:as longas we're stcuck with stingy ISP (1)

WonderSnatch (835677) | more than 9 years ago | (#11244036)

I don't think we'd be asking the copper for anything! If anything changed, it would be how the total bandwidth is split among up and down stream. You see, there is a total amount of bandwidth that a particular piece of wire, channel, whatever can handle. That total amount is split using some sort of multiplexing scheme (frequency, time, or something more complicated). xDSL and cable are split with a heavy bias on down stream because that's what most people need/want. It's not like your 3Mbps cable line can support that full duplex and the cable provider arbitrarily set an up cap at 128kbps. If they set up and down equaly, you'd have something like 1.5Mbps (and change) up and down. Man this is off topic! Brett

Re:as longas we're stcuck with stingy ISP (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 9 years ago | (#11244159)

Personally I was wondering if the shows would be DRMd at all so that I would be able to convert them to AVI and watch them on my portable media device.

Currently I use Tivo's "record to VCR" option and play the shows to my Archos in real-time so that I can carry them with me wherever I am. It's a bit of a hassle when you want to record multiple shows to VCR as you seemingly have to do them one at a time.

With Tivo2go I'd be able to back all the MPEGs up to AVI in one shot and watch them on my Archos.

I won't be able to play with this until I get home so I was hoping that someone had some knowledge of how it all worked.

Copying Details? (1)

Momoru (837801) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243594)

That article is strangely lacking in details...since it requires a "special codec" and the newest media player i'm assuming there is some DRM that keeps me from sending files to other people?

Re:Copying Details? (2, Informative)

Wordsmith (183749) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243662)

Hit a link. That "special codec" is mpeg-2, and this will work just fine if you have something like powerdvd installed.

Re:Copying Details? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11243802)

Not quite. It may be in MPEG2 format, but it's still got DRM to prevent you from sending your files to other people. When you install the software you have to enter a "playback password" which has to be entered whenever you play back the video stream.

Of course, this is pretty easy to circumvent, but still it's got DRM to track who you are and what you did with it.

Re:Copying Details? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11244062)

Don't think its got DRM. If you read their page they say most MPEGII decoders should work but they might not decode the stream quite as well as the one they distribute. They do after all give the nod to VLC which AFAIK doesn't do any form of DRM.

confused (1)

Hyksos (595814) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243596)

Am I the only one confused by the headline? Not knowing what "To Go" was, I associated it the same way is in "to go berserk" or whatever.

Re:confused (1)

Digz (90264) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243666)

"To Go", for the non-English speakers, means prepared to be taken somewhere else. When you order food "to go" at a restauraunt, it's in boxes and ready to be taken home instead of eaten on the premises.

Re:confused (2, Informative)

dazzla_2000 (204679) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243818)

I'd say non-Americans. It's an American phrase and even though I've been living in the US for a few years it caught me off guard.

Concerning TiVO: (1)

Albinofrenchy (844079) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243604)

I think i'm going to sue after I trip on my own saliva from seeing these things.

And with the winnings I will have my TiVo!

burning to dvd... (4, Interesting)

mobiux (118006) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243611)

I have a feeling that the burning to dvd option will be a big thing. Big as in a desired feature and as a big problem with the studios.

People pay big money for full seasons of thier favorite shows.

If anyone can just set their tivo, and spend 5 minutes a week burning it to dvd, the studios may take issues with that.

Re:burning to dvd... (4, Insightful)

Wordsmith (183749) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243642)

The fact that this is even a point of concern shows that we've been conditioned to accept new norms for IP.

Burning to DVD is a problem for the studios? Yes. They'll certainly fight for DRM or other limitations. But why should it be this way? For years and years everyone KNEW they had a right to videotape whatever they pleased for their own personal collections. Many fans of shows videotaped every episode, and kept a complete personal archive. In what way is it different to do this with a Tivo and DVD than it is with a videotape? Hell, leave out the middleman - there are plenty of DVD recorder decks now available for consumers, and they work more or less like VCRs.

But we've gotten to a point where we assume that just because the studios have found a business model, anything that rips into it is fair game for litigation. And the studios might win such litigation. And that's just sad.

Re:burning to dvd... (1)

GregChant (305127) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243735)

For years and years everyone KNEW they had a right to videotape whatever they pleased for their own personal collections. Many fans of shows videotaped every episode, and kept a complete personal archive. In what way is it different to do this with a Tivo and DVD than it is with a videotape? Hell, leave out the middleman - there are plenty of DVD recorder decks now available for consumers, and they work more or less like VCRs.

The difference, according to the studios, is that you can make a one-for-one copy of the original. With VHS recording, you got a copy that was a poor replication of the original, and would inevitably degrade. With Tivo to DVD recording, this degradation does not occur.

Re:burning to dvd... (2, Informative)

LordKronos (470910) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243808)

The difference, according to the studios, is that you can make a one-for-one copy of the original. With VHS recording, you got a copy that was a poor replication of the original, and would inevitably degrade. With Tivo to DVD recording, this degradation does not occur.


No, the degredation doesn't occur in the TiVo->DVD stage. It occurs in the original->broadcast and the broadcast->TiVo stages. And it's a HUGE difference. I TiVo'd the Deep Space Nine series last year, and then I missed an episode and borrowed the DVD from a friend. HUGE difference in quality.

Re:burning to dvd... (3, Insightful)

mrterrysilver (826735) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243758)

the average person doesn't have the time or know-how to tivo all their shows, transfer them to their pc, and burn them all to dvds. lets face it, that's not a trival thing to 90% of people out there. so basically it boils down to most people will throw down ~$30 to buy a dvd season thats already made for them... and it even comes with a pretty box with dvd menus, extras and all.

the bad part is even though the entertainment industry realizes this fact, they still want to cripple any capabilites which are perfectly legal under fair-use laws. right now geeks are the only people that will use these capabilities, loading up their portable devices with media and watching episodes of seinfeld and ali g on the subway.... but in the future that will likely change and unfortunately the mass population won't realize until then that the entertainment industry has stolen all of their fair use rights

Re:burning to dvd... (1)

lashi (822466) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243765)

hmm... I wonder what you would say if people "pirated" your software and not pay any money for it.

Videotaping it was fine because you can't distribute it easily. It was more for personal use. Now you can distribute everything so easily. That's the difference.

Re:burning to dvd... (2, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243980)

I would say: Don't try to squeeze blood from a turnip. Stop trying to make an ass out of yourself and antagonize future customers. Realize that pirated copies do not infact equate to sales that would have otherwise occured.

That's exactly what I say/think when EA whines about piracy of titles that have MY name on them.

Rampant piracy is not what distinguishes the 50K title from the 5M one, lameness is.

Anyone in the industry has sufficient information that this should be painfully obvious.

Re:burning to dvd... (4, Interesting)

Kjella (173770) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243766)

But why should it be this way? For years and years everyone KNEW they had a right to videotape whatever they pleased for their own personal collections. Many fans of shows videotaped every episode, and kept a complete personal archive.

Knew as in "this is a legal right" or "we'll just do it anyway" as is the case with current P2P networks? I'm sure you're about to quote me Sony vs Universal (aka the Betamax case), but it found that time-shifting was a fair use. It did not explicitly deal with personal libraries, but one would be a temporary copy, the other permanent. That would be an additional factor weighing against fair use, and the Betamax case was a narrow (5-4) win to begin with. In addition, timeshifting was believed to increase the market by including people who could not see it at the original broadcast time, while it is clear that creating a personal library reduces the market for selling permanent copies.

Kjella

Re:burning to dvd... (1)

Sandor at the Zoo (98013) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243831)

In what way is it different to do this with a Tivo and DVD than it is with a videotape?

It's different in that data on a DVD is bits, that are readily transferrable to half the internet-capable world with just a few clicks. Like it or not, that makes it different than VHS tapes, which took time, money and equipment to pirate content on a large scale.

I'm not trying to defend the studios (far from it!) but saying that digital content is the same as physical content is missing the mark.

Re:burning to dvd... (1)

teknikl (539522) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243682)

the quality of a prepackaged commerical free dvd set far outstrips the effort needed to toss files from a tivo to your pc and burn the files.

though I'm starting to question my choice of the 802.11b adapter - that's not going to be able to pull the wagon.

Re:burning to dvd... (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243715)

People will still buy the show DVDs, if only to get rid of the annoying logo splashed over the show. Not to mention the ads for other shows that TV stations just love to show in the corner during the show you're watching.

Along with commentary tracks, outtakes, and other extras, the DVDs will still have value beyond recordings taken from the TV. Not to mention the convience of jump points in the episode already being set and not needing to crop the show to size and remove ads.

All in all, there's still a compelling reason to get the DVD beyond just to watch the episodes if you're a fan. I bought all four seasons of Futurama primarily for the commentary tracks. People will still buy the episode DVDs.

Re:burning to dvd... (1)

Robocoastie (777066) | more than 9 years ago | (#11244133)

>>if anyone can just set their tivo, and spend 5 minutes a week burning it to dvd, the studios may take issues with that. Do you not understand how M$ technology works? What will happen next is in order to burn to dvd you'll be prompted for an additional fee and it will be DRM'd. After the success of that I don't doubt it if in order to watch a program even that you've recorded that in order to use the fastforeward button or commercial skip you'll have to pay a fee as well. And the STUPID thing is people WILL pay it cuz they've been so Pavlovian trained.

I've had this forever (3, Informative)

Bruha (412869) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243617)

If you know anything about Linux and drivers you can enable the features on your DirectTvio.

Sorry I always forget the regular SA Tivo's have this enabled but DirectTV wont turn these features on for people.
tivocommunity.com has plenty of links in the forums to enable features that are locked on DirectTivo's but they're not for the faint of heart.

Re:I've had this forever (1)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243769)

Sorry I always forget the regular SA Tivo's have this enabled but DirectTV wont turn these features on for people. tivocommunity.com has plenty of links in the forums to enable features that are locked on DirectTivo's but they're not for the faint of heart.

So you can technically do things with the TiVo that other products and open source software can do, it's just incredibly difficult. That's a glowing endorsement of TiVo. ;-)

Re:I've had this forever (1)

phildog (650210) | more than 9 years ago | (#11244155)

>So you can technically do things with the TiVo that other products and open source software can do, it's just incredibly difficult

Actually there is NO open source product that allows you to record the raw MPEG stream as it comes down from the DirecTV satellites. That means with the DirecTV/Tivo combo unit you can watch time-shifted TV with NO loss in quality.

And yes, that is the main reason I'm not using an open-source alternative to tivo.

And if anyone thinks that is not a big deal they probably also think VHS is just as good as DVD.

Re:I've had this forever (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11244142)

tivocommunity.com doesn't allow even discussion of unlocking features and won't allow links to other forums that do.

WMP Requirement? (2, Insightful)

Atrophis (103390) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243619)

This makes me think there is some DRM used somewhere in this system. I am sure they would not be doing this without some kind of copy management in there.

I guess I will find out when I get home. ;)

Uh what just happened here (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11243620)

The submitter had the audacity to mention Windows ME and even brings up Windows MP, yet doesn't mention linux? I for one am too lazy to RTFA cause I'm too busy RTFM, so somebody tell me. Does it support linux? /I knoe it would be faster to actually read the article. I also know it's pretty bad when I have to explain humor before I even post just so that the mods won't mistake my intent. Which in a nutshell can be summed up as, but does it run on linux?

Good, but just not meant for us (1)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243645)

Nice. It will make those who watch TV happy, and it will make ??AA angry -- I may not really care about the former, but the latter is a GOOD THING(tm).

However, how exactly can this affect the average SlashDot reader? Those of us who would be interested in "pirating" shows already have the capability to do so, and the rest... the rest usually hates TV altogether. Quoting my ex-roommate: "Whoever will bring a TV set here can choose: me or him."

Re:Good, but just not meant for us (1)

LyingDown (836007) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243706)

However, how exactly can this affect the average SlashDot reader? Those of us who would be interested in "pirating" shows already have the capability to do so...

While I have the Linux and hardware skills to hack my TiVo and share the files across my network, I lack the time. I am really looking forward to using this feature!

Re:Good, but just not meant for us (2, Funny)

spectrokid (660550) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243723)

Quoting my __ex-__ roommate: "Whoever will bring a TV set here can choose: me or him."

I guess you did choose?

To go? (1)

BHearsum (325814) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243679)

Can somebody please explain what this TiVo To Go feature is? Not all of us keep up to date on these things.

Re:To go? (5, Informative)

Duvs (845831) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243756)

TivoToGo is a feature that allows Tivo subscribers to transfer recorded content from their Tivo devices (Series2 only) to their PC/laptop for viewing and/or burning to DVD. At this time the transfer is only one-way (Tivo -> PC), there is not current ability to archive to PC, then put back on the Tivo for viewing later.

Mac version on the way (5, Informative)

Audiophyle (593650) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243683)

On the TiVoToGo FAQ:

Are TiVoToGo(TM) transfers available for Apple Macintosh computers? At this time TiVoToGo transfers are not available for Apple Macintosh computers. TiVo is working hard to enable TiVoToGo features available on TiVo Desktop for Mac. We are currently working on ways to enable playback on Apple Macintosh computers. We will let our customers know in our newsletter as soon as this feature is available.

So is world peace. (3, Insightful)

ChaosMt (84630) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243848)

This answer reminds me of a politician promising to deliver world peace without making any specific measurable promise. In other words, don't count on it any time soon. TivoToGo was promised a year ago to be release a half year ago. If I remember right, the rumor sites were saying the mac side of it was a problem not because apple wasn't cooperative, but because the OS doesn't have the DRM built in as deeply. This issue is a big problem for Tivo. Tivo has a much greater share of mac users than the general population. They're taunting 1/3 of their customer base.

Re:So is world peace. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11244093)

What DRM are they using? Will this prevent a Linux version?

Re:Mac version on the way (1)

airdrummer (547536) | more than 9 years ago | (#11244161)

hope they fix the tivo desktop prefs while they're at it...click on start, it flashes running/stop then the start button reappears, so of course u keep clicking on it;-} ps reveals multiple instances, only way to stop is kill -9:-(

i hope javaHMO picks up on this...

file format? drm? (1)

mrterrysilver (826735) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243697)

does anyone know what file format they are using for the video? is it wmv with drm?

i think this is great, but i'm a little worried that every channel except PBS is gonna opt out of this since anyone can opt out if they want. it's a step in the right direction at least, giving a little more power back to the consumer. hopefully they'll add directivo support in the future.

Re:file format? drm? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11243732)

The file format is a .tivo file extension. The new Tivo Desktop checks for a valid MPEG-2 decoder so I assume the video is still MPEG-2 but with some DRM protection as well.

Tivo provides you with a "Media Access Key" for decoding the video as well as requires a password for viewing the video on your laptop/PC.

Sonic will be providing the DVD burning functionality in the next few weeks which sounds like it will be just like the current Tivo/DVD-R combo devices on the market. You'll have a standard DVD playable in any device with the Tivo menu for navigation.

Re:file format? drm? (2, Informative)

The Only Druid (587299) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243868)

The parent is right, but I can provide more info:

You're getting a direct copy of the file that was originally on the Tivo (mux'd into a single file, though). The file is encrypted based on a key in the actual tivo. This key is unique to each tivo. The 'media access key' essentially allows the PC to decrypt the video on the fly, just like the Tivo does.

Its worth noting that one of the first things you do when your hack your Series 2 Tivo is to disable this encryption (the community has a variety of methods for this, including hex-patching the actual TivoApp) to make this key zero.

If they support VLC... (2, Interesting)

Eggplant62 (120514) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243702)

Then it should be dead simple to get it to work under Linux. The Linux VLC port is nearly flawless, and I love the idea of streaming video on a home network where if I don't want to hang on the couch with the laptop while doing school work or stuff for work at home, I can still watch some tube or just simply listen to the audio portion.

Re:If they support VLC... (2, Interesting)

13Echo (209846) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243807)

Alternately, it shouldn't take too long for MPlayer to support the TiVo codec. From there, it's just a matter of "mplayer -vo yuv4mpeg -ao pcm YourFavoriteTVShowHere.tvo" to a fifo and encode to your favorite "open" format. Looks like it uses a simple MPEG2 codec (without any DRM?), so it very well could very well already work with ffmpeg/libavcodec. Probably doesn't even need to be transcoded.

All I can say is SWEET!

Using JavaHMO (1)

ewanrg (446949) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243705)

Since the TivoToGo service is based on the same protocol, with some extensions, that was used for the Home Media Option to show hosted photos and music, I'm hopeful that the folks at JavaHMO [sourceforge.net] will be able to add support for transferring videos to and from the TiVO for us Linux users.

In fact, since the current version of the TiVO software won't let you do the transfer back, this would be GREAT added functionality.

---

More on this and other opinions of mine can be found here [blogspot.com] :-)

no tivotogo for direct tv subscribers (2, Informative)

dingosatemybaby (826261) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243711)

i just spent 30 minutes reading through all the material on tivo's website about this, drool dribbling down my face happily as I gleefully rub my hands together in evil scientist fashion...only to find in the end that Direct TV subscribers cant use this in the tivo units that come with the service. i saw a post by someone about linux drivers and enabling features but a quick perusal of that shows that for the average-non-linux-guru human, that is a SWAMP. ...must...control...fist..of...death

Re:no tivotogo for direct tv subscribers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11243791)

Hey though, at least you can still gloat that your DirecTiVo records content without a digital-analog-digital encoding process and just writes the stream from DirecTV to the hard drive. Plus you can record two shows at once. Other than that it sounds pretty limited. :-)

Re:no tivotogo for direct tv subscribers (1)

dingosatemybaby (826261) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243838)

yep, very limited comparatively. I did little research before opting for DirectTV vs. cable when we moved to RI, basically because the local cable company's startup costs were ridiculous and didnt offer the same lineup (and certainly no tivo) at the same price points. my bad, i guess....

Re:no tivotogo for direct tv subscribers (1)

raitchison (734047) | more than 9 years ago | (#11244179)

This is the price you pay. With a DirecTiVo you get dualtuners and record the digital stream right off the satellite but there are features that DirecTV won't allow TiVo to enable because they are scared of the content providers (TiVo is as well but isn't as dependent on the networks (like Viacom) as DirecTV is)

Expect it to get worse (the feature gap) once DirecTV releases their own DVR, when Newscorps UK satellite provider released a DVR they gradually scaled back TiVo support to the point where integrated TiVo units were almost obsolete.

Re:no tivotogo for direct tv subscribers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11244209)

DirecTV controls what TiVo features are available on their receivers and they've been dragging their butts on offering anything new.

Rumors [tivocommunity.com] say that DTV may finally offer Home Media Option (HMO) features sometime this year.

the fine print (from tivo.com) (5, Informative)

DiscoRaj (794735) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243720)

*Note: Not all shows may be eligible for transfer from your TiVo box to your computer. Programming providers may restrict or limit the ability to record, display, view or transfer any particular program using a variety of copy protection mechanisms.

Re:the fine print (from tivo.com) (1)

confusion (14388) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243778)

That's disappointing, but not at all suprising. Tivo has been really sensitive to the whims of networks over the years. They had to release something like tivo2go to remain at all viable against all the alternatives.

I've been playing with tivo2go this morning and it seems pretty low-end.

Jerry
http://www.syslog.org/ [syslog.org]

Re:the fine print (from tivo.com) (2, Interesting)

will_die (586523) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243916)

It will be interesting to see how good this is.
I think the easiest way to disable would be to create a manual recording starting a few mins before the show you want starts, then using the record extra time you could start at the regular time.
Then for assurance of if the program changes time create a regular scheduled show but place the priority so manual recording is ahead.
You would get the info for the first show, which is the only problem.

WinME (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11243767)

No WinME support? Whatever will those two people do?

Re:WinME (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11243974)

Reboot, of course.

Win98SE forever!

Re:WinME (1)

Beyond_GoodandEvil (769135) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243981)

Well, if WinME is out then probable Win98SE is also out of luck. And before any wise ass says upgrade, not everybody wants to jump to XP/NT just to check email and surf the web.

DirecTV (1)

grd000 (801243) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243828)

The software and HMO look very cool, however, it still will not work with DirecTV TiVo units; software rev. is still <4.x with no word of an upgrade date from DirecTV (if ever). If I'd known this prior to purchasing my unit in Dec. 2004, I probably would have opted for cable instead.

Gee, I've been able to do all that for years... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11243841)

... using DVArchive and my ReplayTV, which is free with no DRM nastiness. I've got a whole catalog of stuff burned to DVD from there, too, with no re-encoding required.

Nice work, Tivo. You're only four years behind the rest of the world.

Here we go again with TiVo (1)

NetPoser (266960) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243852)

Seems TiVo is going to force you to use a specific DVD authoring package (SonicDVD) which you cannot buy right now ($69.99).

And also even though TiVo released TD v 2 you can't use the feature unitil TiVo updates your TiVo with the new software. And don't think you can manually update your Tivo--you can't. You can enter your TiVo service number on their site to get on the waiting list.

I'm not sure why they are waisting time and money on this because. A)TiVo botched the entire process and B)The MPAA and/or the networks won't let this go on for too long anyway.

Will this app crash constantly too? (1)

ArtisteTerroriste (637973) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243863)

My music & pictures app crashes all the time on my Win2k server. I wonder if this will be any more stable. They should have just added Samba support so you could directly connect to shares. bitch & moan, bitch and moan.

Re:Will this app crash constantly too? (1)

anjrober (150253) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243973)

I would try the latest version of the tivo desktop. I had 1.2 and that caused all kinds of problems. 1.3 and 1.4 helped. i just downloaded 2.0 so i can't comment on it yet.

Bah software rollout!!!!! (4, Informative)

da1duc (531067) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243882)

From Tivo:
Please note: Due to the large number of customers who are eligible for this software release, it will take several weeks for you to receive the software after you put in your request. Your patience is appreciated. You can check that you have received the update by confirming that your DVR is reporting software version "7.1x" in your System Information screen. You will also receive a message on your TiVo box once the new software has been installed. For more information about using the TiVoToGo feature, visit www.tivo.com/togo and our Customer Support site. Thank you for using the TiVo Service! TiVo Customer Support
This should have been something they were rolling out a long time ago. Wish they had a way for us to find out when this was going to happen. I was just about to do my New Year's clean up on my Tivo. Duc

ReplayTV it seemed we barely knew you. (2, Insightful)

Eclypser (618863) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243885)

I guess it's time to consider the replay 5xxx series dead now. Tivo finally has everything that made replay special. With no new developments on the horizon from Replay I guess it's time to say R.I.P.
Replay TV 5xxx series 2003-2004

P.S. May you be reborn in a 6xxx series with support for viewing ALL media formats available on your network. Including documents.

Re:ReplayTV it seemed we barely knew you. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11243949)

I still use my RTV 5040 and it's cheaper per month for me..
RTV is being reborn as a Denon high end DVR. (FYI)

Another gotcha... (1)

Masem (1171) | more than 9 years ago | (#11243948)

The ToGo service requires an updated software to be installed on your DVR box (7.1-x). They expect that the rollout of this software to take several weeks and months, though you can fill out a priority request form with your DVR's service number to get yourself higher in the queue. Until you get this software, you'll have nothing on the ToGo side from the PC.

From the website: (1)

slapout (93640) | more than 9 years ago | (#11244057)

We recommend Microsoft Windows Media Player 10 for Windows XP

A personal computer running Microsoft® Windows® 2000 or XP that meets or exceeds the following requirements:
233 mhz, PentiumII processor
128 MB RAM
25 MB free disk space


I don't think I'd want to even try running wmp on a 233MHz computer.

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