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New Year MMOG News

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the mmoging-in-the-snow dept.

Role Playing (Games) 20

New developments this week in a few games, with Cryptic Studio's City of Heroes releasing the much anticipated Issue 3 expansion, which adds new archetypes and power sets to the game. Citing increasing costs for running the game Mythic Entertainment has raised the subscription price for Dark Age of Camelot to $14.95 a month, but with a significant discount for long-term subscriptions. Darniaq wrote in to mention that Sony Online Entertainment announced a new Massive title for the PSP at CES, Untold Legends, in what looks to be direct competition to Pocket Kingdoms. Finally, Tobold of Grimwell Online has a nice recap of MMORPGs in 2004, complete with predictions for this year.

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Reclamation (2, Interesting)

Talrias (705583) | more than 9 years ago | (#11265970)

I'm personally looking forward to Reclamation [] (by the same guys who developed Underlight, one of the first MMORPGs) because of it's rather interesting-sounding ideas - it's based in a dream world so you won't be seeing your conventional goblins and orcs, it'll be scary monsters [] instead (charmingly called Nightmares).

It also promises a decent PvP system which is notably lacking in both EverQuest II and World of Warcraft. The PvP system is based around various Houses which you can join and fight other houses. It also focuses on roleplaying, and there will be no NPCs (as in vendors/generic people rather than creeps) so everything is player-driven. Has anyone else heard of this game?

Re:Reclamation (2, Insightful)

Squatchman (844798) | more than 9 years ago | (#11266632)

Faction(House?) based PVP and no NPC shops? Sounds like Star Wars Galaxies.

Re:Reclamation (1)

thinlineofsanity (705239) | more than 9 years ago | (#11286743)

Sounds like Star Wars Galaxies

Yeah.. except that the concept has been around (and publicated online) since Underlight went beta at the end of 1997. It's not an unreasonable evolution :).

This MMOG shit will never become popular if (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11266628)

you can't pirate it.

Re:This MMOG shit will never become popular if (3, Informative)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 9 years ago | (#11267178)

You CAN pirate the games and play on private servers. You won't get the same level of support as the official servers, but you can play the game for free. DAOC has some free servers, so does WoW.

Look around and I'm sure other games also have free "private" servers.

Re:This MMOG shit will never become popular if (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 9 years ago | (#11267793)

Please provide ANY supporting proof that 'private' WoW servers exist.

Oh I Don't Know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11267912)

Perhaps... this? []

Re:This MMOG shit will never become popular if (1)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 9 years ago | (#11269214)

Did you try.. using google? I searched for Private WoW Server and found this [] .

And a few posts down... (1)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 9 years ago | (#11270781)

"You seem to be forgeting one thing - WoWPython is released under the GPL lisense. You have to release sources according to that agreement. "

"General Pirating Lisense(sic)" presumably. Once again, the true nature of Open Source rears its ugly head. The intent being purely to deprive legitimate programmers of their income.

Re:This MMOG shit will never become popular if (1)

Maserati (8679) | more than 9 years ago | (#11272526)

I read all three pages for the humor value, which turned out only to be moderate.

Maybe some guys have tried. I don't think anyone is getting anywhere with this.

Re:This MMOG shit will never become popular if (1)

Slime-dogg (120473) | more than 9 years ago | (#11269291)

One of the reasons why I play the MMORPG's is because of the size of the userbase. I pay for the ability to play on a server that supports several tens of thousands of connected players. The more players there are, the more chances I have for interaction, the more chances I have for pawning stuff, and I have a better chance of getting good equipment.

I imagine that these "free servers" couldn't handle a tenth of the load that the Blizzard servers do. Instead of really experiencing the game (which, if single-player, would be extremely boring), these servers are more of a test-drive of the UI. Sure, you can learn how to handle a lot of mobs, experiment with new mods and whatever, but you sure lose out on the rich user experience.

Re:This MMOG shit will never become popular if (1)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 9 years ago | (#11270184)

That has nothing to do with anything we were talking about.

He claimed that you cannot pirate a MMOG, I said you could and that people are doing it daily.

Some people would rather play for free with 15-20 friends of ~100 clan members than pay to play with a bunch of assholes spamming the general chat.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong (1)

inkless1 (1269) | more than 9 years ago | (#11266856)

But the press release for Untold Legends never says it's an MMO. It says it's made by SOE, which has made MMO games.

It describes it merely as multiplayer, not massively so.

Re:Maybe I'm reading this wrong (1)

theREALMcCoy (817988) | more than 9 years ago | (#11267961)

I think you're right. It's multiplayer, but just locally.

The GBA could do that...

Raising price (3, Insightful)

Poseidon88 (791279) | more than 9 years ago | (#11266880)

Citing increasing costs for running the game Mythic Entertainment has raised the subscription price for Dark Age of Camelot...

Increasing costs for running the game? Or dwindling player base? I expect a large number of their players have recently migrated to World of Warcraft.

2004 proved again that SOE has no clue about MMOGs (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11266895)

Everquest 2 is a worse grind than EQ1, it's on par with Lineage II and old EQ1 with class/race penalties and "hell" levels. All this time, the competition (WoW and CoH) is giving players more fun, caters the solo player too, extremely reduced downtime and did I say fun?

2004 also proved that SOE has no problem in releasing half finished hurried expansions/games all in the name of profit. While the main competition releases a well polished game, SOE hurries out releases, be that for EQ, SWG or EQ2.

2004 also showed that SOE has no problem in releasing medicore expansions. Gates of Discord has yet to be beaten (almost a year old expansion), Omens of War has guilds stalled in Anguish, EQ1 is bleeding. Not to mention, combat revamp in Star Wars Galaxies?

Bold prediction: EQ2 will bleed after the "ooh nice graphics" wears off. The game is a grind fest. Same time, CoH and WoW will pick up the refugees.

SOE still fails to realise that grind != fun, a game should be fun not work.

Enough with the EQ2 flaming (2, Interesting)

obsid1an (665888) | more than 9 years ago | (#11268051)

First off, downtime in EQ2 is very rare in groups. Soloing is much harder though and will have downtime. Second, WoW has had it fair share of problems. Actually, they have a ton. Login server outtage is nothing out of the norm. Four hours of maintenance once a week is scheduled but it usually runs to 6+ (during which time the forums are also down). The blizzard downloader is HORRID. Auction house, mail box, and server lag during peak times can also get really bad. Oh, and their is no point in changing your home point from Ironforge (for alliance) because that is the only place with an auction house. Also, there is no honor system in the PvP which means a lot of ganking of lower level players who have no chance.

Despite all this I still play WoW over EQ2 even though I own both. I just get sick of all EQ2 sucks and WoW is perfect talk. EQ2 has had 1 day of downtime where the players were both reimbursed financially and given accelerated experience to make up for it. Heck, a written apology from the CEO doesn't hurt either.

EQ2 isn't perfect, but to claim it is so amazingly better than WoW is just wrong. WoW is a casual game. There are tons of people at the level cap already, and there really isn't much to do then other than start a new character and do it again.

EQ2 takes a lot more time. It is group based. Grouping in WoW is usually reserved for instanced dungeons and other elite quests. I gain almost all my level experience solo. In fact, I usually earn less experience when grouped.

If you just don't like SOE then fine. However, the EQ2 dev team has done a pretty bang up job with EQ2. To some people what you claim as grinding is fun.

Re:2004 proved again that SOE has no clue about MM (1)

Slime-dogg (120473) | more than 9 years ago | (#11269375)

WoW can be a grind if you want it to. Instead of killing 300 rats to level, you have to grind out quests instead. People enjoy grinding tho, and you know these people by the fact that they hit lvl 60 two weeks after the servers started.

Now, WoW offers a lot to those who want to have fun. Take fishing, for instance. Before Blizzard nerfed it, you could make a tidy dollar off of fishing. Now, you can just spend time idly chatting and fishing. It is relaxing and fun, in my opinion. I space out the quests too, because I don't want it to feel like I'm the game's errand-boy.

Re:2004 proved again that SOE has no clue about MM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11274489)

WoW can be a grind if you want it to.
- Exactly. You can grind, quest, mix of the two, do instances and solo. All those are very valid and good ways to level. Now, take EQ2 and all you can do is group, it's the only way to advance at a semi-acceptable pace. Even grouped the game is a grind.

And grinding quests is really not grind, grinding by definition is to kill same mobs in the same place. For instance, go to Hinterlands, get a hammer, enchant it in same place, go to Tanaris, Zul'Farrak, kill some named mob (with a group of level 45ish people), get 7k XP (1/12th of your total level) and an item too. You travel a bit, you kill some mobs, kill a boss, get items. Grind? Hardly. Do 12-14 quests around your level and you raise a level.

Leveling in WoW is fast and without the feeling of grind. Currently level 54 and I yet have to feel any grind, and I did play EQ2, EQ and DAoC (all known for heavy grinds).

And I also stayed at the Holiday Inn.

SOE (2, Funny)

Flunitrazepam (664690) | more than 9 years ago | (#11270004)

It's about time SOE announced a new MMO.. after all we are almost a week into the new year

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