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LiveJournal Buyout Confirmed

CowboyNeal posted more than 9 years ago | from the new-beginnings dept.

The Internet 223

Kingfox writes "Brad Fitzpatrick, creator of LiveJournal, finally confirms the story that was posted to Slashdot yesterday. Six Apart has purchased Danga. This means that they're moving to San Francisco, LiveJournal users are finally getting the trackback feature, but the project will stay open source, and little else will change for the end user."

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223 comments

cool (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273260)

Mood: Happy
yay!

live journal (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273262)

is the gayest shit ever concieved...

FUCK LIVE JOURNAL

Re:live journal (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273291)

spelling conceived incorrectly is the gayest shit ever...

FUCK LIVE TROLLS

Re:live journal (-1, Troll)

metlin (258108) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273407)

Team Live Journal!

Fuck, yeah! ;)

LiveJournal (-1, Offtopic)

tasadar24 (845665) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273267)

I believe that one day I will have the first post... Nothing will change for LiveJournal? good, can still get old April louise pics

April Louise. (-1, Offtopic)

Grendel Drago (41496) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273371)

You mean that girl that used to be _april_ or something like that? She's i_like_sharks now, and she has a bunch of damn nice stuff up on show_your_boobs, though you have to go back a few weeks to see it.

She has, however, applied to be a Suicide Girl. This means that we will never, ever see her again, and a month from now she'll be crying her little eyes out in the sgirls community about how terrible they all were to her.

Shit, girl, give it up for free and people'll be as nice as you want 'em to.

Not to mention that everyone on show_your_boobs tossed her a few bucks to get a new camera because she didn't have a working one, and she hasn't posted since.

Damn, I wish this sort of thing were a one-time occurence.

--grendel drago

Let the record show... (1)

IInventedTheInternet (818590) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273404)

...that Grendel Drargo really knows his pornography

Changes (2, Insightful)

tuxter (809927) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273270)

They aren't going to raise their prices OR make any other significant changes other than "look and feel" i.e. make it prettier. I wonder how long the "No price changes" will last, I'm willing to bet not long.

Re:Changes (2, Funny)

BumpyCarrot (775949) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273303)

Actually, they were planning on never ever changing their prices, not ever. If they do, you should sue! Oh hell yes.

Re:Changes (4, Interesting)

somethinghollow (530478) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273432)

One thing I hope they change is getting more / faster servers. That site is really slow. Sadly, all my friends blog on it. So, I have to brave the slowness every once in awhile.

Another thing that I hope they change, though it has no bearing on me since I don't blog there, is their theme system. It's pretty convoluted to learn. I don't know why they don't just let you use CSS. 90% of the custom themes I've seen could be done with the right HTML and some CSS. At least then after you spent hours working on your LJ page with CSS, you could use it in the "real world." After learning LJ formatting, all you can do is format LJ (AFAIK).

Re:Changes (3, Insightful)

NeoChaosX (778377) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273560)

One thing I hope they change is getting more / faster servers. That site is really slow. Sadly, all my friends blog on it. So, I have to brave the slowness every once in awhile.

Agree here. If I had a nickel for everytime the server timed out on me or I ran into a "The document does not exist" error while surfing LJ, I'd probably have enough to keep a Paid LJ account for life. They need to get more bandwidth, faster server, or both.

Re:Changes (2, Informative)

Jamie Zawinski (775) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273586)

It's only slow if you don't have a paid account. I agree that their theme systems (both of them) are totally from hell.

Re:Changes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273522)

Well, I heard they might be forced to liquidate ...IN FRANCE!

Little will change...? (3, Funny)

JediLow (831100) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273271)

Sure, just like they weren't being bought...

Re:Little will change...? (1)

SmittyTheBold (14066) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273410)

Nobody said they weren't being bought, at least nobody official.

Re:Little will change...? (1)

BWJones (18351) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273430)

More specifically, Six Apart purchased LiveJournal because of each companies respective strengths and weaknesses and because LiveJournals user base would complement Six Aparts business model by getting access to a younger user base. All that and the owner of LiveJournal was looking to sell. Read Mena's (President of Six Apart) blog [sixapart.com] for specifics and a handy FAQ.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273273)

In SOVIET RUSSIA, LiveJournal buys YOU!

Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA... (-1, Offtopic)

Calydor (739835) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273659)

No no, it should go 'In Soviet Russia, LiveJournal writes about you!', indicating that everything you put there is reported to the government.

Ads already in place (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273275)

People are already reporting ads on LJ, even for paid users: http://www.livejournal.com/users/girlvinyl/178809. html [livejournal.com]

Re:Ads already in place (3, Informative)

Tink2000 (524407) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273290)

Er, did you bother to go look at her references?

It's quite clear (especially if you actually go look at the pages she cites) that she's been spywared.

Re:Ads already in place (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273307)

Then she's not the only one to get spyware, are you sure you're right? http://www.livejournal.com/community/lasvegas/5968 36.html [livejournal.com]

Re:Ads already in place (1)

Tink2000 (524407) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273316)

Don't see it there, either.

And if anyone is gonna see ads, it's me. I have WinXPPro & use MSIE 6 (patched and locked down, but still...)

Ran Ad-aware lately?

"zomg ADS" reporter = plugging another blog site (1)

Hobart (32767) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273428)

If you look at her replies to Brad's post, you'll see she's trying to drum up hype for her friends alternative blog site.

Re:Ads already in place (2, Informative)

BenSpinSpace (683543) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273318)

The person reporting the ads seems to be the only person seeing them. Therefore, "Person" is reporting ads, not "People." And it could very well be spyware.

The people running LiveJournal seem to be quite aware of an average user's worries about the project; hell, Brad Fitzpatrick himself seems to be one of the crowd who has chosen specifically not to sell his soul to the devil. RTFA to hear what he's actually saying. As he says, "Really you shouldn't see any negative changes." The LiveJournal operators wouldn't violate this statement within moments of its being posted!

Viewing these changes in LiveJournal as positive things may seem bleak at first, but these advancements require a bit of faith. There will always be people to decry every bit of progress as "turning to the dark side," but I, for one, have faith in several of my favorite Internet organizations: Slashdot, LiveJournal, Something Awful, Google, and Amazon, to name several. Usually even their most questionable steps eventually wind up in the bounds of smart thinking and usually good taste.

Re:Ads already in place (1)

Tink2000 (524407) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273362)

And if what you and Brad say wasn't enough, there's always Six Apart's own statement:
"Q. What is going to happen to LiveJournal and its current users?

A. We acquired LiveJournal because we like LiveJournal just the way it is -- it's an awesome product. We will invest in the further development of LiveJournal and help it expand its reach around the globe but our plans do not include removing the free level, plastering the sites with ads, owning user content, etc... We think the LiveJournal community is unique and vibrant. We welcome LiveJournal users to the Six Apart family, and promise to keep the LiveJournal culture and quality which has earned their devotion. "
(full text here [sixapart.com] )

But then again this is /., where everyone jumps to assumptions without RingTFA. Or using the product, for that matter.

Re:Ads already in place (1)

Lord_Dweomer (648696) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273390)

"The LiveJournal operators wouldn't violate this statement within moments of its being posted!"

Right, but what I'm concerned about is their Privacy Policy. Since legally (and yes, IANAL) wouldn't the old owners have absolutely no say whatsoever what happens to the users information? Whats to stop these people from deciding one year down the line "hey, revenue is down, we need more money, lets sell our user lists to advertisers"?

Re:Ads already in place (1)

Valar (167606) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273423)

Well, it does say that you will have the choice (starting in a few days) whether or not you want to accept the new privacy policy. They are posting in advance for you to review. If you disagree with the new policy, you have time to move somewhere else.

Re:Ads already in place (1)

SmittyTheBold (14066) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273460)

Actually, it said you will *have* to agree to the new policies in order to log in. The new stuff is non-optional.

Re:Ads already in place (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273643)

Is there a um... link to this privacy policy?

I use the "text" theme to LJ, and it's really nice not to have all the pages filled up with fancy-looking gobbedly-gook, but, frequently, it won't have links to things that have links on the standard-livejournal-theme frontpage.

I hope the text theme doesn't go away. I hope nothing in my journal breaks (and, yes, I use the *old, old* style system, and I like CSS, but I'm not eager to have to fiddle with making my journal look roughly the same with a new style system).

I'm also a bit concerned about the (slight) change of management and the privacy stuff. I also don't like how LJ is getting big enough that everyone and their mother knows about it... I kind-of liked being able to have a public-ish weblog, where I was fairly open about who I was, and not have to worry if my grandparents were going to call me up to complain that I used some language they didn't like, or talked about my sex life or something. (My family is pretty conservative and Puritanical.)

I've changed all my old posts to friends-only already (except for the innocuous ones), set up a diaryland blog that has absolutely no reference to my real identity, and taken great care to protect what I say and who gets to hear about it. But, still. I should just set up my own damn blog on my own damn webserver, except for the fact that you can't read your friends' non-public posts on such-and-such journaling site without having an account there, yadda yadda yadda.

Re:Ads already in place (1)

the angry liberal (825035) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273601)

Right, but what I'm concerned about is their Privacy Policy. Since legally (and yes, IANAL) wouldn't the old owners have absolutely no say whatsoever what happens to the users information? Whats to stop these people from deciding one year down the line "hey, revenue is down, we need more money, lets sell our user lists to advertisers"?

If you weren't aware, the original owners of LJ could do the same thing, and without notifying you?

Keep in mind, even when you set up your slashdot accounts: Don't expect any website to stay in business forever. Also don't expect any information you post on said website to remain private.

Actually, why am I saying this? This is Internet 101, dude.

What will cause me to laugh hard enough to run into blood pressure problems: When Google hits hard times and sells Gmail off to another Hotmail or Yahoo. Yes, troll karma on this site. But, no matter how cool you think it is, it is part of the "ever changing face" of the Internet.

Re:Ads already in place (1)

jisatsusha (755173) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273647)

"The person reporting the ads seems to be the only person seeing them. Therefore, "Person" is reporting ads, not "People." And it could very well be spyware." Not spyware, but I've seen cases where some ISPs have teamed up with ad providers to insert ads randomly into pages, that's probably what that was.

Re:Ads already in place (-1, Troll)

bferrell (253291) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273538)

I just visited and checked the links from my handy dandy linux browser (no malware, adware etc) and no banner ads either.

Thank goodness for TrackBack (5, Interesting)

FleaPlus (6935) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273281)

TrackBack [wikipedia.org] is a damned handy system, which lets you see which other blogs have linked to a particular post that you've made. It's seen in many of the more "professional" blogs, and it's a great tool for finding out about commentary on your posts. I was actually thinking of ditching LiveJournal for a service which supported TrackBack, but I guess I'll now be able to stick around.

Re:Thank goodness for TrackBack (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273313)

trackback is redundant. The same thing can be done using already existing systems, like, say, posting a comment on the blog website itself, or checking referrer logs.

replacing trackback and pingback in more detail using existing protocols is left as an exercise to the reader.

Re:Thank goodness for TrackBack (1, Funny)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273340)

And all trackback and blogging can be replaced with Usenet. (Over UUCP like in the good days!)

Re:Thank goodness for TrackBack (-1, Flamebait)

Moofie (22272) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273352)

Yeah...if you really, really like spam...

The question is, WHO CARES whether you think this stuff can be replaced with Usenet? If you think Usenet is better, go use it. Nobody's stopping you.

Re:Thank goodness for TrackBack (1)

FleaPlus (6935) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273513)

The same thing can be done using already existing systems, like, say, posting a comment on the blog website

So every time somebody makes a post in response to a post I've made, I have to assume that they're also going to take the time to comment in my blog about it?

or checking referrer logs.

I can do this on LiveJournal?

WTF? (0)

_Smacndeez_ (217293) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273282)

Man, WTF?

im not a 12yo girl, and I use LJ.. and I will probably quit now that they got sold .. dangit.

Re:WTF? (1)

tuxter (809927) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273344)

Ummmmm, why? Would you stop listening to the radio if your favourite station got bought and kept the same programming? I think not, maybe think about comments before you post.

Re:WTF? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273458)

Because, like she said, she's not a 12 year old girl. She's a 10 year old girl.

Re:WTF? (0)

lowpass_wilter (831895) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273468)

And so even more fuckable. Yummy.

Re:WTF? (1)

wankledot (712148) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273389)

Hmm, sarcasm meter is stuck near 50%, I'll bite

why would you quit, the same people are running it, and there are no plans to change anything that wouldn't have likely changed before.

Re:WTF? (1)

Punboy (737239) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273570)

"im not a 12yo girl, and I use LJ.. and I will probably quit now that they got sold .. dangit. "

No no no, not dangit, danga :-p

Brad confirms the rumors (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273284)

"Yes, the rumors are true! I've been dying"

Truly a blog icon...

Obligatory (-1, Offtopic)

tasadar24 (845665) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273306)

In Soviet Russia, LiveJournal blogs You!

Re:Obligatory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273363)

how comes every "Obligatory" post is lame?

yours stands our tho

its like asking a warez group "I've got a 56k dialup for 2 hours a day, can I join?"

Will this affect supervision/abuse? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273311)

I wonder whether this will affect the webmaster/abuse contacts' attitudes.

Speaking as someone who's had inappropriate personal information and untrue claims splattered all over the board by a malicious ex, who knew many mutual friends would see it, I was less than impressed by the LiveJournal team's response when I pointed out that defamatory/illegal content was being posted. The ex in question made that post private when I sent her a rather pointed message about it, and the LiveJournal admins then claimed that they "couldn't see private messages" and therefore couldn't investigate my claim, despite the fact that those mutual friends still had no trouble reading every false allegation.

This sort of thing seems to be a serious problem with cheap/freebie blog-hosting services: they're particularly vulnerable to malicious content. In particular, while they have all the usual problems with regulating content as any other part of the Internet, they usually lack adequate resources and/or the willingness to deal with abuse. I'm all for freedom of speech as a general principle, but all the usual legal safeguards seem to be summarily ignored here because they're just too hard to enforce with the current mechanisms, and people's lives can become very unpleasant as a result.

silly moderators (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273312)

I posted this story two hours earlier, yet it was not approved!

What an outrage!

In Soviet Russia...

Never mind.

-Anonymous Blogger

LJ trackbacks will make Google go wonky... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273315)

Google ranks pages based on their links. Giving thousands of LJ users trackback will alter Google results forever (unless they start filtering those out)

Well (-1, Flamebait)

LiNKz (257629) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273323)

One of the reasons I didn't mind using LiveJournal for my journaling was due to the fact it was run by a group of average people, and my excuse for paying for it was to help support open source. Now, I fear soon small "adverts" forcefully added, or some small changes that will annoy people. In general, I figure its about time I return my blog to the only piece of hardware I trust, the server sitting in my closet.

Re:Well (5, Insightful)

Anubis350 (772791) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273434)

I notice you're a subscriber to slashdot. Do you have these same arguments about slashdot (bought by corporation, lots of adverts, etc). This is just like when /. was bought by OSDN, and just like slashdot, LJ is and will remain open source. Why are the two any different....

I call hypocrite...

--Anubis

Re:Well (1)

Anubis350 (772791) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273442)

woops, meant /. bought by OSTG

Story from previous day (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273329)

So, I guess when "sources close to Brad Fitzpatrick" said that LiveJournal was not being sold... well, not so much eh?

Re:Story from previous day (1)

P-Frank (788137) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273446)

I sat next to him on a bus once (so close that we were hip to hip) and as far as I knew it wasn't being sold...

Nice quote (3, Interesting)

FleaPlus (6935) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273333)

Here's [sixapart.com] an interesting blog post by Mena, President of Six Apart. I thought the following quote was interesting in the context of the typical "bloggerz sux0r" threads you see on slashdot:

I believe that LiveJournal has, unfortunately, received a bum rap because many have considered the postings on LiveJournal to be trivial. It's sort of like a vicious circle: Journalists make fun of webloggers saying that they only post about their cats, webloggers make fun of LiveJournalers saying that they only post about high school angst and LiveJournalers make fun of webloggers saying that they are SUV-driving yuppies who think they have something important to say (and I'm generalizing). The fact is, webloggers and LiveJournalers are in essence doing the same thing: they are posting their thoughts to people who are important to them. For some webloggers, it's 100,000 people, for others it is 10. For LiveJournalers, it may be 30 people, it may be 3 (or a combination of some number).

Hey, amateur porn is where it's at... (4, Informative)

Grendel Drago (41496) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273336)

So long as the amateur porn stays in place, and I can continue to co-admin my porn community [livejournal.com] , then all is well. (You need to get an account to read the community, and list a valid 18+ birthdate, and submit a join-request. This is so the community doesn't get deleted. It's a CYA maneuver by the livejournal administration to ensure that everybody who watches porn can lie about their age.)

--grendel drago

Mod Parent Offtopic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273374)

Well isn't that special. Take your porn spam elsewhere, thanks.

Re:Mod Parent Offtopic (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273395)

You clearly don't know LiveJournal. It's all about the amateur porn.

Another win for Open Source! (1)

Meor (711208) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273337)

I'm sure most LiveJournal users are concerned with the database API that stores their LOL OMG:Happymood: journal entries.

Page Ads? (1)

darkain (749283) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273342)

I'm a paid member, so I dont see them... but I've seen members in my communities start complaining abuot banner ads on their journals now. Is this the first sign of change already?

Re:Page Ads? (1)

FleaPlus (6935) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273365)

I think that just means people have spyware installed on their computers which are inserting banner ads. I remember the same thing happened with my old roommate and google.

Ack... (1)

HawkeVIPER (826506) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273348)

I don't know whether to feel happy or sad about this merger... I have the distinct feeling that support will divide by 0, prices for paid accounts with do the opposite and server uptimes will become $n-x in $n days, where x is a random integer.

*sighs*

Re:Ack... (1)

AEton (654737) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273361)

Ooh! Support will approach infinity and paid accounts will approach zero!

Truly these are the end times.

Re:Ack... (1)

HawkeVIPER (826506) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273375)

*chuckles* Taken of course, from "The definitive guide to IT Business Management" - M.I. Crosoft

Re:Ack... (1)

millennial (830897) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273394)

I have no ads on my journal... sounds like your friends are either a) on crack or b) adware-laden.

Re:Ack... (1)

HawkeVIPER (826506) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273400)

And you sir, just replied to the wrong thread. Give yourself a pat on the back and collect your ROTD award.

Re:Ack... (1)

millennial (830897) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273421)

Interesting. I clicked the 'reply' link to the post about ads, and ended up replying to the wrong one... is Slashdot a bit broken, perhaps?

Re:Ack... (0, Offtopic)

HawkeVIPER (826506) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273450)

/., broken?! What blasphemy is this? On a side note; it has been known.

TypeKey (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273356)

Trackbacking is awesome, but will SixApart take their Typekey service to Livejournal?

That could make for some controversy...
http://www.typekey.com/ [typekey.com]

Nooo... please. No more MT or LJ blogs. (-1, Flamebait)

teneighty (671401) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273358)

What is the aim of this merger? To take over the world by their sheer weight of mediocrity?

Whenever I come across one of those incredibly dull angst-laden emo blogs in which the bloggers keep you informed about riveting topics such as their cat's bowel movements -- they're almost always either a LiveJournal or MT blog. And of course, there's the design issues with MT that have lead to it being disallowed by some hosts.

Blogs: The Reality TV of the Internet.

Re:Nooo... please. No more MT or LJ blogs. (1)

Dizzle (781717) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273403)

I might have complaints about other portions of the internet, but I have a simple solution: don't read them. You have absolutely no obligation to read a blog, be it LiveJournal or Blogger or anything else. Exercise your right to choice and ignore them.

Yes, that's it *exactly* (1, Funny)

wirefarm (18470) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273448)

The content management system is doing that.
Just today I was posting an article discussing Renaissance architecture and what came out was a shoegazer post about cat shit.

I think it must have something to do with the version of PERL I'm using.

Mod parent up (1)

BumpyCarrot (775949) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273504)

Damn that made me laugh.

Re:Nooo... please. No more MT or LJ blogs. (0)

BumpyCarrot (775949) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273490)

Y'know, you don't *have* to read them.

Yay! (1)

metlin (258108) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273359)

Well, atleast now we've proven that Slashdot is more reliable than blogs of 13 year old girls ;)

We atleast bother backing up our rumours with evidence (sometimes!).

Take that, Jenny. Ahaan!

Sweet. (1)

millennial (830897) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273379)

Wonder if they'll open up some of the features the old company was charging for, like phone posts and more user icons?

Ooh. On second thought, I wonder if they'll even have those at all... did they buy the servers that hosted LJ (and the code for the VoIP stuff), or just all the content?

Re:Sweet. (1)

casparianaremi (846895) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273665)

They purchased the entire thing, the servers, the staff, the coders. Basically, nothing changes except the ownership. It frees up Brad to develop the system more efficiently and not worry about the business side of things, and SixApart can input where they have more experience (navigation, design etc).

Correction (3, Informative)

wankledot (712148) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273413)

SA is buying Livejournal fromDanga, they are not buying Danga itself.

Re:Correction (2, Informative)

Apathetic1 (631198) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273588)

I believe your post is technically correct but it's also misleading. Six Apart may not be buying Danga but the Danga employees will be moving to San Francisco, at least according to the news post:

What happens to the Danga employees?
We're moving to San Francisco! *ding ding*

What's the business model? (1)

AutumnLeaf (50333) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273414)

I'm not completely sure I get this. I read both Brad and Mena's posts on the journal. They've talked quite a bit about preserving the Live Journal community and making it better. What I don't understand is how this helps 6 Apart make more money, which ought to be the whole idea behind the merger from the business side. I can appreciate Brad doesn't enjoy the business side of running a business, so I can see what he personally gets out of it. Can anyone familiar with this aspect of 6 Apart comment?

It seems to me at some point they will need to think about how to get their users to cough up more dough, or how to mine their user base for dough (selling lists/personal info).

Re:What's the business model? (2, Insightful)

Rakishi (759894) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273435)

You are assuming that LJ doesn't make money already.

Re:What's the business model? (3, Insightful)

FleaPlus (6935) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273455)

Perhaps we'll see livejournal being touted as a more "personal" free solution, with Movable Type touted as the more "professional" solution. I figure we'll see greater interoperability between the two, allowing LJ'ers to easily add Movable Type blogs to their friends list, and vice versa. Overall, this would lead to a greater incentive to choose LJ/MT instead of, say, Blogger.

Re:What's the business model? (2, Interesting)

captnitro (160231) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273655)

In addition to the "compare and contrast" contributions we'll see, it's also this: in the next decade, it will be about a return to communities on the web. In the early 90s it was a bunch of local BBSs, and now the web is too big to be a "community" most of the time. People want to reach out to other people, and blogs, for better or for worse, often do that. (For worse, I know I've made fun of blogs as a way for people to be passive-aggressive to those they don't want to talk to in person.. :)

I think Six Apart wants to be a major force in that movement, in generating communities, and how communities will play into the future of the web and how we communicate with one another. For one, LJ subscribers (myself included) will be paying Six Apart AFAIK, not Danga, so there's profit there. Also, competition; the fewer games in town, or the more that you control, the better.

On a separate note, does anybody seem to see a trend with the next 'dot-com' being funded open-source, or even just homegrown, web solutions ("we're not selling the product, we're selling the service")? It seems like I've heard of quite a few open source projects getting bank from just being good for long enough.. one clear example being Linux, but also reading Mena's blog -- (paraphrased) "me and my husband released Moveable Type in 2001, when I was 24". Now they have offices in Tokyo, Paris, and San Francisco. It seems like I need to find a killer app and a web server.

Six Apart v Google (3, Funny)

RobertTaylor (444958) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273425)

"Why is Six Apart buying LiveJournal?
Lots of reasons:

Together we form super robot that's stronger than the sum of its parts.
Super robots can fight super companies."


Blogger.com bought up by Google...

To think that millions of £££ venture capital will be spent over which system publishes what 14 year old Lisa's dog ate last night.

Though everyone complains about LJ... (5, Insightful)

shawnywany (664241) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273439)

I tried getting my journal back on my domain for good, but I just cannot leave a couple of Livejournal's features.

One, I keep a tightly-knit friends-list, and sadly enough, those people would not read my journal regularly if it were not on Livejournal. On LJ, it's just a matter of opening up the "friends page" and seeing all of your friends' entries at once. Handy and keeps you and your buddies close, even if you rarely have the chance to really chat or talk.

Two, I adore the communities. When I need information on some subject, there's always a community. Not only that, but it's usually active. I prefer having a human helping hand rather than that of a search engine; both at once are even better (ha.) For example, I trust the ladies at the VaginaPagina community [livejournal.com] to relate experiences and help--especially since everyone is there to do just that.

I used to scoff at LJ, but now that I'm there, I just can't leave.

Re:Though everyone complains about LJ... (1)

mattwarden (699984) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273564)

One, I keep a tightly-knit friends-list, and sadly enough, those people would not read my journal regularly if it were not on Livejournal. On LJ, it's just a matter of opening up the "friends page" and seeing all of your friends' entries at once. Handy and keeps you and your buddies close, even if you rarely have the chance to really chat or talk.

I don't get it. You think this is unique to LJ? Do a goodle on RSS aggregators. LJ's friends page is inferior for the reason you mention: it can only aggregate other LJs.

Re:Though everyone complains about LJ... (1)

shawnywany (664241) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273597)

No, I know RSS isn't unique to Livejournal. I collect RSS feeds on other stuff too. I'm a newb to that, and Livejournal makes it easy. I have a feed running from my linkblog on one of my old domains and I have that set up as a 'friend' on Livejournal too so my other friends can read that. I suppose it's more about doing what makes it easiest to stay in touch with my tech-impaired friends--and keep it easy for my tech-impaired self. I enjoy the interactions between communities, other users and myself. Eh, I worded my original post weird and I can't change it; apologies.

LJ Backup/Export to XML (4, Informative)

NeuralAbyss (12335) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273445)

I wrote this script after hearing the rumours.. can also be a good thing if you just want a backup of your livejournal.

LJExport v0.1 [homeip.net]

Any comments are welcome.. released under the BSD license.

Re:LJ Backup/Export to XML (3, Informative)

Malk-a-mite (134774) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273562)

http://www.livejournal.com/export.bml

Kinda makes sense (1)

arvindn (542080) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273447)

LJ has 5.6 million user accounts. 2.4 million of which are active. Far more than slashdot. However, as Brad points out, its an "inward facing" community. I'd never heard of the site until a few months ago. They sure could use better marketing. And better integration with the broader blogging world (with TrackBack). TFA repeatedly states that SixApart aren't out to destroy LJ, but they can do that even without intending to. Let's wait and see.

Nervous (2, Interesting)

SmittyTheBold (14066) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273449)

Okay, being a five-year user of LJ (user number 1112 [livejournal.com] , suckers) and perm-account holder, I've got a considerable stake in all this. It makes me nervous. I'm not familiar enough with Six Apart and their treatment of MT to be confident in their ability to maintain the status quo around LJ-land. I'm afraid that the business will do what all businesses do, and eventually change from being "for the people" to being "for the profit."

There are literally hundreds of thousands of people who have put time and effort into their own little portion of the Internet, and I'm afraid that with one motion Brad's damaged their stock. The thing is - this is something Brad's been putting his life into for around six years now. If anything he's got the most to lose. (Ignoring the nice chunck of change he jsut pocketed.) Hopefully he walked into this with due diligence and maintains some official control over where LJ will head.

I suppose that's the one question I haven't seen answered - from what Brad said, it seems like he's now just an employee. Any official power he now has is ceremonial. So I hope he made the right choice.

Re:Nervous (1)

FleaPlus (6935) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273486)

From Brad's post:

Ever since LiveJournal got big and popular, a number of companies have been offering to buy LiveJournal. I suppose it was inevitable, but the more I talked to everybody, the less interested I became in selling. With a few exceptions, nobody seemed to "get it", and people's ideas for LiveJournal's future were generally lame. I started to realize that selling LiveJournal would mean killing LiveJournal, so I didn't. Then one day Six Apart contacts us, we start talking, and here we are. I know you may not necessarily trust me when I say they're a cool company, but I'd ask at least that you give them a chance before you start rioting in the streets. I have a lot of confidence that this union will produce cool things.

Ben and Mena, the founders of Six Apart, have built a great company and hand-picked a lot of great people. Over the past couple months I've come to know their executive team really well, and they're people I feel confident taking over control of my baby. They've already shown that they'll defer to me on issues of community, fearful of doing anything that'd upset people. As for the rest of the team, I've only started meeting them all, but my mouth hit the floor when I saw some of the latest stuff they have in the works.

If you want to run for the hills and backup your journal and move to another service, feel free, but hopefully you'll be back in 6 months when we've proven ourselves.

As a livejournal user... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273451)

I, for one, welcome our new corporate overlords.

SA Induced Angst (1)

Wingie (554272) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273498)

It's brilliant! If SA screws LJ users over, that would create a horde of people who would want to bitch and moan and whine and write bad poetry on their LiveJournals. But then since SA controls LJ, they would either have to rant somewhere else (God forbid!) or pay to get a new LJ account so they can rant about how they had got screwed over but ended up going back to SA anyway. And you know what? I bet a large amount of people would do exactly that if SA decides to screw LJ over. Some people are that stupid. LiveJournal is a very emotional place. And as we all know, no matter how many times emotionally abusive "signifigant others" hurt some people, they still end up crawling back just to get screwed over again. Six Apart could just take this principle and apply it to making money. Hell, a bunch of assholes already do their with their girlfriends.

Addendum... (1)

mattwarden (699984) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273507)

little else will change for the end user.

Oh, except for that whole loss-of-rights-to-one's-soul thing, right?

holy crap (1)

sysera (809709) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273548)

I can't believe this is news worthy. Who cares about online journal company buyouts...haha..

zOMG (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273549)

ZARDOZ SAYS WE ARE DOOMED BECAUSE LJ EMO KIDS GET TRACKBACK lololololololololololololololololololololololololo lololol internets

Just as long... (1)

zwilliams07 (840650) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273550)

...as this doesn't inhibit my freedom to rant on for two days about how frappy my cappuccino is, I'm fine.

Gawd, I'm so lonely...

Beaverton staff getting canned? (1)

Baloo Ursidae (29355) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273638)

After they shafted my Scout troop in the late 1990s, please tell me the Beaverton Livejournal staff is getting shitcanned
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