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Apple Sues Think Secret

CowboyNeal posted more than 9 years ago | from the plugging-the-leaks dept.

The Courts 451

Isaac Newton writes "Reuters is reporting that Apple Computer has sued website Think Secret for allegedly divulging trade secrets relating to its upcoming sub-$500 Mac desktop and office suite. The lawsuit is apparently giving legitimacy to the rumors."

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Marketing ploy? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273907)

This would certainly help more people hear more about Apple's new sub $500 Mac ;)

Re:Marketing ploy? (0, Troll)

retartedted (791995) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273956)

this will also help people to compare Apple with the likes of M$, RIAA and MPAA. brilliant move. tossing about lawsuits. allot of the "mac culture" is built on religious fanaticism. this wont help. makes it look like they are all about the dollar and not about their customers. whatever, so they are just a company trying to make a buck. next...

Re:Marketing ploy? (-1, Troll)

Ph33r th3 g(O)at (592622) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274041)

If only it were true. The Jobs worshipping Mac faithful won't be dissuaded from their veneration by this any more than religious people of today were by seeing hundreds of thousands of people killed while "God" stood by.

Re:Marketing ploy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11274151)

Truth hurts, doesn't it? Troll, indeed.

Re:Marketing ploy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11274158)

1. God does not interfere in the world. 2. Is dying the worst thing that can happen to you? No, it isn't. So what's your point?

Re:Marketing ploy? (5, Insightful)

Ford Prefect (8777) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273957)

The rumours were even the subject of the non-computing Pass Notes column in yesterday's Guardian [guardian.co.uk] . I'm definitely interested in whatever it is Apple are going to announce, but there is always the possibility that it's, say, a $600 Mac, or just a new word processor.

The rumours might be accurate in part, but perhaps terribly inaccurate in other ways - and could significantly undermine the true products if they're seen as inferior to the imaginary ones. If that's the case, I can see why people at Apple would be upset...

Re:Marketing ploy? (3, Informative)

term8or (576787) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273981)

The rumours might be accurate in part, but perhaps terribly inaccurate in other ways - and could significantly undermine the true products if they're seen as inferior to the imaginary ones. If that's the case, I can see why people at Apple would be upset...

IANAL but I always thought that the purpose of Trade Secret law is to protect a company against people informing competitors of TRUE information (i.e. Trade Secrets) not FALSE information. The legal defence against false information is Libel or Slander...

Re:Marketing ploy? (4, Interesting)

DenDave (700621) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274081)

The sad thing is that in the mail list of stinkthecret.. um thinksecret the details of the machine were elaborated upon to such detail that it is undoubtedly a case of industrial espionage. Details on the construction and design... I have to say that, being a stinkthecret reader nonetheless, Apple has a point. I personally would not divulge that level of detail about a product on a internet community and I hope the guilty party is happy with the result.

Of course lawsuits are bad press and one can question the efficacity of such a lawsuit but most likely it will be about strong-arming the community maintainers into divulging their sources so that Apple can take measures against the staff members who broke their agreement.

I don't believe for one second that Apple's Legal dept. has a grudge or is out to stiffle the community which so much loves the products their company produces.

Stinking differently every day...

Really ridiculous! (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11274161)

"Apple has a point"

No they don't.

This happens in any other field. Cars, designer clothes, politics, entertainment, everthing.

And sometimes that information is inaccurate. And sometimes it puts that company is a really poor light.

And nobody sues. Oh. Except apple.

The real joke is that Apple only sues little guys... the guys who are hard pressed to defend themselves.

If these guys had a decent budget, they could sue the hell out of Apple. I'm hoping someone does, because Apple only bullies little tiny websites. They stay clear of anybodhy their own size.

And then people like you defend them. I just bought 3 new Macs, but honestly, people like you are the least enjoyable part of the Macintosh experience, because you'd defend Apple no matter what. You sicken me.

The funniest headline... (1)

Chordonblue (585047) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274150)

...came from The Register in the U.K.:

"Apple confirms MacWorld rumors with fresh lawsuit"

And indeed, when you read the specifics of what they are complaining about, you wonder why they bother at all. I mean, if they really wanted to deal with this more effectively they'd wait until AFTER the 11th. As it is now, they are simply confirming the rumors.

First post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273909)

Will I get sued by Slashdot? And will it give me legitimacy if it happens?

Re:First post! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11274038)

No. Even if they sue you, your post still won't be the first! :-)

Variation on a classic (1)

Sloppy (14984) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273910)

"One man speaks a trade secret, a thousand other repeat it as a rumor."

Poor Apple. Is this Osbourning their iMac sales or something?

hallelujah (0, Offtopic)

johansalk (818687) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273912)

An inexpensive PC and an office suite! All that is needed for Apple to rock the world. Now let's just hope they can manufacture enough of them to keep up with demand (that's always been their problem).

Re:hallelujah (1)

joesoundbyte (699248) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274025)

allegedly

Re:hallelujah (1)

AC-x (735297) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274117)

A cheap Apple computer is exactly what Apple need, if it wasn't for the price I would've recomended an Apple to all my computer illiterate family members.

However to really be mass market they'll need to get a lot more game developers on board and raise it's profile with the gaming comunity (Games are pretty much the only thing my 2 brothers do with their PCs)

Suing your fans... (4, Funny)

igorthefiend (831721) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273914)

Well, it worked for the MPAA and RIAA.... ;)

Re:Suing your fans... (1)

BobPaul (710574) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273921)

Apple Computer has sued website Think Secret for allegedly divulging trade secrets

Where do you read "Apple Computer has sued a 19 year old iMac owner and an 80 year old PC user"?

Re:Suing your fans... (2, Insightful)

igorthefiend (831721) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273936)

That's why it's "funny" rather than "informative". But seriously, suing people who are effectively giving you free publicity could come back and bite you in the future, perhaps when you *want* to leak something.

Apple should make up rumors! (4, Funny)

BobPaul (710574) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273915)

Apple really needs to start spreading their own rumors. That way the correct to false rumors ratio could be kept in their favor and the effect leaked truths have on product launches would be lessened as fewer people would believe them.

Re:Apple should make up rumors! (4, Insightful)

agent dero (680753) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273987)

how do you know they haven't been spreading their own rumours... ;)

Re:Apple should make up rumors! (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274005)

I believe ThinkSecret keeps track of informants and doesn't publish things until the informant has proved reliable a few times. Apple would have to actually give away some `trade secrets' for every false rumour they planted. Of course, they could only leak things they knew had already been leaked...

Like M$? How long is your horn? (1)

crovira (10242) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274102)

Wanna bet that when something finally comes out from M$, battered and bruised, it'll just be NT warmed up again with a new 'gadget' look.

When Apple sues the rumor mill is because they broke cardinal rule #1: They got *specific* about features for value.

M$ USES the rumor mill to pre-empt and choke off the competition (whatever's left) by claiming something *changed*. Apple can't do that.

Bad Apple. (2, Interesting)

onion2k (203094) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273922)

Apple couldn't find the internal leak, so they're shooting the messenger.. Not the nicest tactic ever.

Apple probably was the messenger (5, Insightful)

BobPaul (710574) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273939)

Apple couldn't find the internal leak

Companies often provide information about product launches ahead of time with non-disclosure agreements. Perhaps it was a member of the press or some other non-Mac employee.......

And then paragraph 3 of TFA... claiming that Think Secret had induced these individuals to breach confidentiality agreements that they had signed with Apple. Perhaps that's what it was...

Re:Apple probably was the messenger (1)

js7a (579872) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273997)

Think Secret had induced these individuals to breach confidentiality agreements
fishing expedition

Re:Apple probably was the messenger (1)

16K Ram Pack (690082) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274148)

Is that an offence then? To be honest, shouldn't Apple be addressing the individuals who did the leaking then?

Re:Bad Apple. (2, Informative)

m_dob (639585) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273953)

Apple couldn't find the internal leak, so they're shooting the messenger.

Yeah they have. Those are the unnamed individuals named in the suit

Re:Bad Apple. (1)

leuk_he (194174) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274090)

I know something about this new apple, but if i told you i have to kill ^h^h^h^h sue you. 8)

Re:Bad Apple. (2, Interesting)

CynicTheHedgehog (261139) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274119)

Or, they begin a lawsuit and the discovery process through which they can acquire much more information than they could otherwise. If the judge decides there is a case, then Apple is free to request (and must be provided) a lot of information it would not otherwise be privvy to...including ThinkSecret's source(s). Once they have the source I am sure the lawsuit will be dropped, since ThinkSecret itself is not under NDA. However, the source(s) will likely be terminated and/or sued themselves.

Unless, of course, ThinkSecret destroys documents and/or lies under oath. One would hope that the "hero" in this story would suck it up and give Apple what they want so that they can enforce the contractual agreements they do have.

How is this a trade secret? (4, Insightful)

buro9 (633210) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273923)

It's not as if anyone else is allowed to produce a cheap Mac to compete with Apple (thus beating them to it), as Apple hold all the cards for that.

Cheap PC's already exist... so where is the competition that they are afriad of? Who can take advantage of this "trade secret"?

As far as I can see (not far having not RTFA) this is just good journalistic work, and good promotion for Apple.

Re:How is this a trade secret? (1)

Shisha (145964) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273975)

I generally agree, but just to play devil's advocate:

Say a lot of people who wanted to buy a lot of eMacs won't do so now and wait for the cheaper "cheapMacs"?

No sorry it does not make any sense to me either. You must be right.

Or maybe it's just that Steve Jobs is an exhibitionist and wants the crowd to oooh and aaah even louder when he unveils the new products?

Re:How is this a trade secret? (2, Interesting)

nkh (750837) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274107)

According to TS, this iMac was supposed to be for Windows users who had a previous Apple experience with the iPod. My Apple-fanboys friends always show me how OSX is the best OS ever and Apple is a great company. I never thought of buying a Mac before, but MAYBE this cheap Mac would have been a good introduction. It can be the Windows XP killer we've all been waiting for.

But all I see of this Apple world is Steve trying to sue its customers and most loyal fans. I don't think I'm intersted anymore...

Re:How is this a trade secret? (1)

mysticwhiskey (569750) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274062)

Exactly my thoughts.

Re:How is this a trade secret? (2, Insightful)

BetterThanCaesar (625636) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274142)

Maybe they were about to release a $600 Mac. Now, there will be great disappointment when they charge more than the rumours said, and they will have to defend themselves by saying "We never said we'd release a $500 Mac", but the damage is already be done.

Bad Apple (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273925)

I really like Apple. Though I had my share of problems with Apple products I generally think they make fine products and I definately prefer OSX to Windows.
But things like this really piss me of (excuse my language).

Doesn't Apple recognize, that sites like Think Secret actually help Apple? Just think about how many stories there are on the web about rumours that immanate from these kind of sides and how much exposure these stories give to Apple.

Ah well, but judging from experience, the Apple advocates on /. will soon tell us why Apple is right in doing something that would certainly be considered evil by the /. crowd if any other company did it. Talk about a loyal followin.

Re:Bad Apple (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273960)

None of you dumbasses get the idea that the more shit gets leaked before the big "unveiling" the less interested the media is going to be in covering said event, thereby directly translating into lost "free advertising" that Apple, moreso even than other companies, counts on. The piddly exposure they get on the rumor sites is just a bunch of existing mac fan geeks anyhow, and nothing compared to the general public splash made by the big media who cover the unveiling. This is the whole reason they try to clamp down on leaks. It's nice for us fanboys to gossip and all, but don't act like the leakers and the rumor sites who pander to them are doing Apple any favors.

Re:Bad Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11274000)

First off, I'd like to thank you for calling me a dumbass.

Apart from your language I also have a problem with your reasoning. On the one hand you claim, that these rumor sites are only ever read by geeks, so that the advertising effect is negligable.

On the other hand you claim that these rumor sites that are only frequented by geeks lead to less interest in the mass media when something new gets unveiled by Apple.

Frankly, I do have a problem to reconcile these two claims.

Re:Bad Apple (1)

ivano (584883) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274059)

analogy: if i'm a fan of a particular director and his new movie is coming out soon and I say what the surprise ending of it is - am I giving free advertising for the movie or am I ruining the surprise for the people who were about to buy a ticket to see it???

(Of course, this isn't on the same level : knowing about the $500 dollar Mac doesn't stop me buying it..but what the hey..analogy city is where I live)

Ciao

Re:Bad Apple (1)

rdc_uk (792215) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273964)

I'm in the "apple advocates" camp, sort of.

I think this reinforces two lessons of the early 21st century:

There is no such thing as a "nice" company.

There is no such thing as a responsible legal department.

(Companies, after all exsit to do _nothing_ but make money, legal departments can only demonstrate their performance in "amount of litigation participated in" - Its a brave new world, friends!)

Re:Bad Apple (1)

Apatharch (796324) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273998)

(Companies, after all exsit to do _nothing_ but make money, legal departments can only demonstrate their performance in "amount of litigation participated in" - Its a brave new world, friends!)

If you'll excuse the pedantry, I suspect that the proportion of successful litigation may also be regarded as a good benchmark....

Re:Bad Apple (2, Insightful)

rdc_uk (792215) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274057)

You fell into my cunning trap:

In time, certainly, good companies will come to measure success in terms of successful litigation.

We are in the here and now; and that is PATENTLY not what current legal departments are aiming at. They are very evidently "trigger happy" at the moment.

Costly losses, or embarrassing negative publicity from their over-eagerness is required to _sink in_ to upper management's minds before the goal will change.

Basically if SCO (etc) lose, badly, and either go bankrupt or see (the last few in SCO's case)investors vanish, other companies will begin to think a little more about firing off a law suit "because we can", or "because the other guy will probably cave".

How much have constant losses slowed the MPIAA/RIAA's flood of suits?

Re:Bad Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273970)

How can this help apple?

If anything, this kind of announcement hurts because it gives anyone who just decided to buy an imac / emac incentive to wait a bit. It hurts Apple.

Re:Bad Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11274154)

Most people looking to buy a new Apple machine would know to wait until after the show, though.

Re:Bad Apple (3, Insightful)

Ford Prefect (8777) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273986)

Doesn't Apple recognize, that sites like Think Secret actually help Apple? Just think about how many stories there are on the web about rumours that immanate from these kind of sides and how much exposure these stories give to Apple.

Yes, but if the rumours are wrong, they can damage how any real products might be perceived.

Okay, I'll invent the next iPod rumour - it's going to have full video capability, an 18 hour battery life and the top model will have a 220GB hard disk. You can connect up a digital camcorder to its Firewire port, or a camera to its USB port, and use it to store all your photos and video, for syncing into the next-generation iLife suite.

If someone picks up on that rumour, and if it gains legitimacy, people may be disappointed by the next real iPod.

I've got an iBook, and while it's a great machine I still look on with bemusement at some of the more fanatical followers of Apple. As, I imagine, do some of the levels of Apple management - why, when Fred Smith worked at Dell, he didn't have www.DellSecrets.web posting distorted rumours about the latest products... ;-)

Re:Bad Apple (2, Insightful)

julesh (229690) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274043)

Yes, but if the rumours are wrong, they can damage how any real products might be perceived.

Okay, I'll invent the next iPod rumour - it's going to have full video capability, an 18 hour battery life and the top model will have a 220GB hard disk. You can connect up a digital camcorder to its Firewire port, or a camera to its USB port, and use it to store all your photos and video, for syncing into the next-generation iLife suite.


You see the problem here, though? Because that rumour isn't accurate, it is obvious that you haven't broken any NDAs by spreading it. Therefore Apple _cannot_ sue you over it.

In order for them to consider taking action over an NDA breach, the information must be accurate. Otherwise it isn't an NDA breach.

Unless Apple has been spreading disinformation under NDA. Which would be a wierd thing to do.

Re:Bad Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11274118)

Do you know how much will cost this new iPod?

I can't wait! I'd be very disappointed if they don't release @ macworld! ;)

Re:Bad Apple (2, Insightful)

nighty5 (615965) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274145)

Who gives a shit - Movie Critics do this all the time.

They will blast a movie even after $250 million has been invested.

Audience listens to critic, half the amount of people end up seeing it, affecting the bottom line.

Apple need to wake up. Think Secret did not sign any NDAs and the right for free speech will prevail.

Re:Bad Apple (-1, Troll)

northcat (827059) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274019)

Apple is more 'evil' than MS or any other company. There just isnt a notion of it being evil in many people because Apple doesn't have much competition and Apple bigots are doing an excellent job.

This is the so called free speech :-) (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273928)

Mircosoft should abandon their Office suite for Mac so Apple finally also gets seen as a monopoly, which they are.

Re:This is the so called free speech :-) (0, Flamebait)

northcat (827059) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274011)

Amen.

Boycott Apple (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273930)

From now on I will not be buying any more Apple products - and I will discourage others from doing so as well. Personally I think that these lawsuits are ridiculous.

Re:Boycott Apple (1)

Paska (801395) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273949)

Whatever floats your boat, I've been a Windows user for many years now and have just recently purchased a 15" Apple Powerbook - I love it and will be buying a Dual G5 Desktop and Display soon. I'll make sure I get around to buying them a lot sooner to make up for the loss of your business.

Re:Boycott Apple (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273978)

Yeah right.

You need to take a reality pill as boycotts are all but dead in this day and age of consumerism.

Re:Boycott Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11274135)

Sorry you're boycotted! :D

Amusing... (4, Funny)

loyukfai (837795) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273933)

Sometimes I find it amusing that while Apple has been constantly frightening the likes of Think Secret (enthusiast sites?), even with lawsuits, its supporters keep on supporting Apple, more than ever.

Try that with another company.

Also, whenever Steve Jobs is on the stands and giving a presentation (sometimes with questionable accuracies...), the audience seem to clap their hands every so often.

Maybe these are explained in the book "The Cult of Mac"?

Re:Amusing... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273963)

I can't tell if you are crazy or stupid.

Anyone?

Re:Amusing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11274008)

Try that with another company.

Well.. Microsoft, MPAA.. whatever they do.. those cults are far wider

Re:Amusing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11274073)

Sometimes I find it amusing that while Apple has been constantly frightening the likes of Think Secret (enthusiast sites?), even with lawsuits, its supporters keep on supporting Apple, more than ever.


You mean like in politics? ... oh never mind - it's just another 4 years...

Before the fanboys start screaming (4, Insightful)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273935)


I'm a fanboy as well. But Apple are right in doing this to one of the best rumour sites on the net. What if this information is false but because of it, their share price goes up and there is a geniune interest from investors. Only for the rumour to be false and thus they get hit by it.
Thats not to say however that they will succeed, I think they are after the people who leak information to TS. Im not up to date on american law, but wouldn't TS be protected by some sort of freedom of speech law.
In any case, I don't think Nick Depulme is bothered, he's still posting rumours on his site, even after the lawsuit! TS have just confirmed the ipod micro rumour.

Re:Before the fanboys start screaming (3, Insightful)

Apatharch (796324) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273969)

I'm a fanboy as well. But Apple are right in doing this to one of the best rumour sites on the net. What if this information is false but because of it, their share price goes up and there is a geniune interest from investors. Only for the rumour to be false and thus they get hit by it.

Surely if the rumour was unfounded, it would leave the lawsuit without a basis, and Apple would still lose out?

I dare say that the litgation would cost Apple less than some more conventional advertising. But I'm cynical that way.

Re:Before the fanboys start screaming (1)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273973)

I don't think the issue is the rumour, I think they want the people who give these insights to TS.

Re:Before the fanboys start screaming (1)

Apatharch (796324) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274013)

I don't dispute that. I'm sure that's whom at least some of the "other unnamed individuals" mentioned in the article are a reference to.

Re:Before the fanboys start screaming (1)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274048)

Sorry, I thought I didn't make my point clear enough.

Re:Before the fanboys start screaming (0, Redundant)

northcat (827059) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274032)

Yup. When Apple does it, it's just the right thing to do. But when MS or SCO does it, it's because they are evil. Amen, fanboy.

In fact, Apples litigates more than MS.

Re:Before the fanboys start screaming (2, Insightful)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274072)


I think you will find that Apple is suing somebody for breaking an NDA somewhere. By your rational, because its Apple, they should let people say whatever they want without being sued?
Btw, I don't remember MS or SCO suing somebody for breaking an NDA, normally its an IP rights issue or because some kid has a website like "mikerowsoft.com". If you're going to troll, you should click "Post Anonymously" and get a clue.

Re:Before the fanboys start screaming (1)

northcat (827059) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274143)

I think you will find that Apple is suing somebody for breaking an NDA somewhere. By your rational, because its Apple, they should let people say whatever they want without being sued?

NDA? What fucking NDA are you talking about??? Why would a website sign an NDA with Apple?

Btw, I don't remember MS or SCO suing somebody for breaking an NDA, normally its an IP rights issue or because some kid has a website like "mikerowsoft.com".

Exactly. MS or SCO sue someone because they stole their source code (not that IBM did, but that's SCO's claim) or someone made a site which can decieve some people. But Aplle is suing someone because they revealed that Aplle will be releasing a cheap computer.

If you're going to troll, you should click "Post Anonymously" and get a clue.

Yup. When Apple is criticised, it's trolling. When MS or SCO is criticised, it's +27 Insightful. Thanks for proving my point!!

Re:Before the fanboys start screaming (1)

kanweg (771128) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274153)

I don't have stats about who sues more, but I do know which of the two has the muscle to do some arm twisting and not having to go to the trouble to sue.

Bert
Who dislikes Apple's sometimes overly legal/formal approach (remember the kid who was too young to be entitled to use the free developer tools)?

What would the founding fathers think (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273940)

about our legal system being used for advertisement?

Re:What would the founding fathers think (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11274120)

I have no idea. But the fact that it can be shows that they screwed up.

And why do we care about the opinions of a bunch of screwups?

Sosumi (1)

rollerbob (739079) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273941)

Looks like Apple are getting a taste of their own medicide; here's a report BBC News Online published this morning: iTunes User Sues Apple over iPod [bbc.co.uk] .

Re:Sosumi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273966)

Let's see: if i buy MS Office, then i need MS Windows to run it. So one product from company A needs another product from the same company.

Would that be unfair too following the same logic?

Re:Sosumi (1)

danheskett (178529) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274010)

Ironic. Apple is the monopoly in digital music players - 87% of the market. Now comes the lawsuit.

MS must love this. How long until the DOJ gets involved?

Re:Sosumi (1)

Ford Prefect (8777) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274021)

Alternatively, he could just burn his purchased tracks to a CD, for playing in any common or garden portable CD player.

If there's anything to complain about with the iTunes Music Store in the UK, it's the pricing - it's still £0.79 (US$1.48) a track over here...

There's no way... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11273979)

You can win a lawsuit against someone who is reporting what someone else said. "Trade Secrets" are not some kind of 1st Ammendment exception. The guy who broke the NDA is in deep--but the guy who posted what he said is clean as far as I know. This is ridiculous.

More to discuss... (3, Informative)

mirko (198274) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273985)

MacSlash [macslash.org] covered this before, check the comments there where the s/n ratio is lower.

Maybe the price point wasn't firm yet... (4, Insightful)

weave (48069) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273991)

I can imagine something like this.
  1. Jobs tells crew to make a $500 iMac.
  2. Apple personnel set out to design and produce a cheap iMac with that goal in mind
  3. Rumor leaks to press
  4. Everyone gets excited
  5. Financial people sit down to figure out how to sell it without going bankrupt based on current costs to make it
  6. Find out they can't sell it cheaper than $750 and set a price there
  7. Jobs announces it at macworld, the audience boos, the press rip them a new ass, all the while missing the fact that it's a damn good computer for the price
  8. Stock goes down in flames

Re:Maybe the price point wasn't firm yet... (1)

ErikZ (55491) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274015)

I was thinking along the same line. They probably have a problem with the price. I seriously doubt they'd sell a Mac for around the price of an expensive ipod.

They could, but they won't. I'm betting the price will be between 700-800 dollars also.

Re:Maybe the price point wasn't firm yet... (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274030)

take a look at imac g5 prices.
then take a look at apples monitor prices.

subtract the equivalent size monitor price from the g5 imac.. and think WTF??

(obviously, if they didn't have the astronomical markup on their lcd monitors the sub 500$ mac could be done easily)

Re:Maybe the price point wasn't firm yet... (1)

lisaparratt (752068) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274164)

Then go to an Apple store, look at the quality of their monitors, make noises of awe, and then understand why they're not as cheap as the ones Dell throw in with a $500 computer.

Re:Maybe the price point wasn't firm yet... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11274031)

Actually that has happened several times in the past and is one of the reasons why Apple is doing what they are. They have a responsibility to their shareholders. Apple has had thinksecret remove pictures of items that have never made it to market. I also think Apple wants to find the unnamed sources...that is their major goal. They are doing what they can NOW to protect secrets from being unveiled in the future. Hard for me to be upset with Apple with wanting to protect trade secrets.

Re:Maybe the price point wasn't firm yet... (-1, Troll)

northcat (827059) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274044)

How about this:
  1. Apple is a group of litigating bastards who sue people to death whenever they get the opportunity and it has sued more than MS and more companies than SCO.

Re:Maybe the price point wasn't firm yet... (1)

jbrw (520) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274130)

Slight variant on the above:

My guess is they've gone and built a computer that they can make a comfortable profit on at $500.

And now they're currently trying to work out how much extra they can charge for the first 6 months or so while demand is high.

$100 extra x 1 million units buys a lot of black polo neck shirts.

Partiality (3, Insightful)

northcat (827059) | more than 9 years ago | (#11273999)

Instead of Apple, if Microsoft had done the same thing, all slashdotters would have tied MS to a stake burned it by now. In fact, if any other company had done the same thing, it would have attracted a lot more negative responses from slashdot and everyone else than Apple. This is not the first time Apple is doing something like this. I remember some guy creating that OS X panel thing (whatever it's called) for windows (without taking anything from OS X) and Apple making him take it off the web because it infringed on their IP. I think it was called Yz dock. I guess Apple bigots are the worst.

Re:Partiality (2, Interesting)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274124)

Maybe, but thats your opinion and I think you are generalising the slashdot crowd, a lot people here are actaully sick of the anti-MS stance here because it clouds discussion. We would have to wait and see the next time MS comes into the limelight.

Re:Partiality (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11274133)

Please dont talk bad about Apple... Here in slashdot we support free speech. You are free do badmouth MS but please shut up when it comes down to Apple.

Just a heads up. (3, Informative)

Blapto (839626) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274001)

It's not quite a sub $500 mac. It's headless for a start, so users are going to need to spend $100 for a half decent CRT, probably more. I don't know what the target market is, as Apple has always sold headless macs to the professional arena (PowerMacs are headless as a rule) but lower priced macs have been aimed at the home user. I hope for Apple's sake that they work out they need to bundle in a cheap Apple branded 17" CRT for $100 or so (Dell style).

Re:Just a heads up. (1)

julesh (229690) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274058)

I would expect its headless so that the purchaser can choose for themselves whether they want CRT or LCD. Or to reuse an existing CRT from the machine they're upgrading away from (which is what I do with about 50% of my upgrades).

In other news... (4, Interesting)

davidoff404 (764733) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274002)

In other news from the carousel of litigation, Apple are being sued [bbc.co.uk] by an iTunes user who says that the lock in of iTunes to the iPod and iPod Mini is a violation of competition laws.

Good to know that karma still works in this universe...

Re:In other news... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11274128)

Except that Apple has a somewhat legitimate gripe about people breaching their NDAs, but any sane judge will tell that iTunes user to go buy a different portable player, use another online music store, and shut the fuck up. The guy has NO CASE. Apple never made a secret of the fact that music downloaded from the iTMS won't work on any other portable player except the iPod. For that matter, neither do the other online music stores.

That guy is either a complete moron, or he's just looking for a quick buck and thinks Apple will pay him off to make him go away-- which I highly doubt they will.

~Philly

A Post from January Third: (4, Funny)

dasunt (249686) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274003)

An Anonymous Coward posted the following [slashdot.org] in regards to the rumored Apple office suite on January 3rd, 2004:

As with all rumors, there's no need to believe it until Apple starts taking legal action against the rumor sites. Until then, you can assume that they probably missed the mark.

The posted was modded +5, Funny (60% funny, 20% insightful, 20% underrated).

If..... (0, Redundant)

nighty5 (615965) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274037)

If it were Microsoft out to sue a rumormill site it would be evil

Since its Apple, /. think its cool :-)

Suing the wrong source ? (2, Insightful)

JTunny (653851) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274067)

Shouldn't the trade partner (or even the Apple employee) that let the information leave the company be held ultimately culpable ?

Maybe this is why IANAL

Where's the damages? (2, Interesting)

spleck (312109) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274070)

Doesn't Apple need to prove that the leak somehow hurt them?

I thought the rumors were helping... I had decided to hold on to my money in case these were real instead of building a video edit station for my home movies. I love my old B&W G3, but its just too slow to use on a daily basis for video editing. I would rather use iMovie on a $500 G4 at 1.25 GHz and I'm hoping it happens. Otherwise I've got stuff to order from newegg.

Does CowboyNeal Sleep? (2, Funny)

theycallmerenda (765018) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274078)

LiveJournal Buyout Confirmed Posted by CowboyNeal on Thursday January 06, @02:10AM Your Rights Online: Apple Sues Think Secret Posted by CowboyNeal on Thursday January 06, @06:35AM

In this day and age (1)

Corellon Larethian (833606) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274092)

A lawsuit is some of the best advertising you can do. It's probably cheaper, as well.

Well, I mean unless you're SCOX...

mC0d up (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11274147)

Is it just me or... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11274166)

does anyone notice the submitter's name?

Isaac Newton?

Wasn't he that guy who allegedly got hit on the head by a falling apple and discovered gravity?

I wonder if he ever thought about suing the apple...

$149 iPod flash on the way (3, Informative)

jbrw (520) | more than 9 years ago | (#11274170)

Interestingly/amusingly/somethingly, ThinkSecret has posted more "rumours" since the lawsuit was announced:

$149 1GB iPod is coming [thinksecret.com]
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