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Countries Plan Land Rush in Warming Arctic

michael posted more than 9 years ago | from the when-greenland-turns-green dept.

Science 657

Noel Bourke sent in a pointer to this story about northern nations maneuvering to claim land in the Arctic. Fossil fuels, shipping lanes, and fishing are among the economic interests at stake, in an opportunity opened up by the melting Arctic ice.

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A unique and amazing ecoregion (5, Interesting)

Lindsay Lohan (847467) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292056)

At stake, in what could be the last great territorial land-grab, is the promise of untold mineral riches
Where humans have tread, the Arctic has suffered. Plans for a northern shipping route through the Russian Arctic could open up oil, gas, and other natural resources for exploitation. This could increase the risk of oil spills and introduce species such as rats to the ecoregion, which could have drastic consequences for nesting seabirds. The Novaya Zemlya area has a unique problem. It has been serving as a test area for nuclear weapons and suffers from elevated levels of plutonium, cesium, and other radioactive pollutants.

Re:A unique and amazing ecoregion (-1, Flamebait)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292105)

Oh, hush, Lindsay...shouldn't you be making another Lizzie McGuire movie or something?

Re:A unique and amazing ecoregion (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292158)

Lizzie McGuire is Hilary Duff, you idiot!

Re:A unique and amazing ecoregion (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292230)

I'm not an idiot! You're an idiot! IDIOT!!!1

This is BULLSHIT! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292283)

Global warming, much like "the moon", is a ridiculous liberal myth!

Stop hurting America.

Re:A unique and amazing ecoregion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292293)

I wasn't talking to you, idiot. STFU n00b!

Re:A unique and amazing ecoregion (4, Insightful)

WinterSolstice (223271) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292124)

There are waaaay bigger problems than that. Sorry, but environmentalism aside, we will have some serious human issues if the ice packs that are currently *not* floating begin to melt. Sea levels rising more than a bit will cause some pretty nasty issues.

-WS

Re:A unique and amazing ecoregion (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292181)

And exactly how many ice packs in the arctic are not floating? Oh yeah, thats right, none. Thanks for playing, retard. Next time don't get your information from the pinko-commie-we-hate-america network.

Re:A unique and amazing ecoregion (2, Funny)

goates (412876) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292229)

I guess all that ice on Greenland and Canada's northern islands doesn't count?

Here's a hint, don't go getting your news from Fox. They're just as bad as the "pinko-commie-we-hate-america network."

Re:A unique and amazing ecoregion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292331)

Like for example Greenland, idiot!

Re:A unique and amazing ecoregion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292351)

Are you retarded?

Re:A unique and amazing ecoregion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292343)

There are waaaay bigger problems than that. Sorry, but environmentalism aside, we will have some serious human issues if the ice packs that are currently *not* floating begin to melt. Sea levels rising more than a bit will cause some pretty nasty issues.

I can't imagine it'd be that bad. Then again, I live in Ohio so I imagine I won't be owning any beachfront property in Cleveland anytime soon.

Re:A unique and amazing ecoregion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292188)

ahh yes... the artic polar rat the cousin of the New York Sewer rats

What about Santa Clause? (1)

BobPaul (710574) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292273)

which could have drastic consequences for nesting seabirds

Not to mention the effects this could have on Santa's Workshop and band of midg... errm... elves.

I WISH I WERE A GOOSE (0, Offtopic)

Cold Winter Days (772398) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292057)


Oh, I wish I were a goose

And could pee on the wing,
I wish I were a goose
and could honk when I sing,
But alas, oh woe is me,
I am just and old woman
Who has to pee!

I heard the Polish (1, Funny)

Neil Blender (555885) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292062)

Have dibs on the ice shelf.

(I'm Polish, so I can make this joke.)

Re:I heard the Polish (0, Offtopic)

captnitro (160231) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292092)

I'm not, could somebody explain it? :)

Re:I heard the Polish (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292109)

uh, it's going to melt?

Re:I heard the Polish (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292110)

Apparently, the polish lost the recipe for making funny.

Re:I heard the Polish (1)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292190)

What happened was in the early 80's Solidarity stood up to the Communists, and the rest of the world realised that the Polish were not deserving of the ridicule of "Polish jokes". But, we couldn't just let a bunch of really great jokes fall into disuse, so they became Blonde jokes.

Re:I heard the Polish (1)

BobPaul (710574) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292184)

Do you live in Poland?

Re:I heard the Polish (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292222)

No. Second generation US.

Re:I heard the Polish (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292295)

I claim the air over the artic.

(I am human, so I can make this joke)

fp (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292066)

first pawst

Too bad Canada doesn't have a military. (-1, Troll)

glrotate (300695) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292067)

Or they might be able to defend it.

Boy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292069)

We sure are fortunate that all that ice is melting, huh!

Niggers finally achieve equality (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292070)

With shit.

Yes, even the hardcore of racism (AFN) must acknowledge the fact that
niggers have achieved equality with feces.

Negroes can now be substituted for common but expensive fertilizers in all
agricultural situations. Farmers and backyard gardeners are advised to use
equal weights of negroes to replace nitrate fertilizers. For example, to
grow healthy tomatoes, merely plant a negro finger or toe when
transplanting seedlings. For large plots, an entire negro head or torso
can be mulched and applied to the crop.

For more info, contact your local farm co-op

Re:Niggers finally achieve equality (-1, Offtopic)

Blue-Footed Boobie (799209) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292102)

Really?

Re:Niggers finally achieve equality (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292138)

wtf! how can this person type with only one braincell.I despair for human beings.

Cool. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292076)

Cool.

Back off! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292080)

"Back off, get your own arctic!" - Canada

Re:Back off! (1)

goates (412876) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292302)

Too bad "get your own arctic" will turn into taking our arctic. Too bad the Canadian military has almost no way of patrolling our northern borders and coastline.

Re:Back off! (1)

BobPaul (710574) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292366)

Too bad the Canadian military has almost no way of patrolling our northern borders and coastline.

That's because they're preparing to invade America...

Holy Shit (1, Flamebait)

spac3manspiff (839454) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292087)

Fossil fuels, shipping lanes, and fishing are among the economic interests at stake, in an opportunity opened up by the melting Arctic ice.

How can people ignore the enviroment and first think of expanding their country after the ice caps melt. People need to see that alot of countries wont exsist in a few years.

Re:Holy Shit (1)

happyemoticon (543015) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292148)

All the more reason to go north! Pretty soon Belgium will do as well in the Arctic as in the Congo.

Re:Holy Shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292183)

Hmm. How much deeper will the oceans get due to melted ice? One wonders if they might be able to use dikes - you know, those neat things the Danish {mmm.. Danish...} have been using for centuries - to make sure that the land that would normally be underwater stays above water?

Re:Holy Shit (1)

BobPaul (710574) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292221)

How can people ignore the enviroment and first think of expanding their country after the ice caps melt. People need to see that alot of countries wont exsist in a few years.

Well, if they're afraid their country won't exist in a few years, that's a very good reason to consider expanding their country. That way at least they'll have some country after the ice caps melt...

And worse, tide-tables will be critical. (0)

NRAdude (166969) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292269)

One of the hypothesis encountered by scientists speculation over the previous tsunami at the Indian Ocean was whether the tsunami caused greater effect due the tide movement in leu of the moon. With the polar caps melting, I have witnessed This local marina at Long Beach, California, raise about 1 foot over these previous ten years. When the tide is up, it is more dramatic. It needs only four feet of water for the water to raise above the sidewalk, and with the rate at which the tide raises we can see the boat-launch ramp moved to the bridge over-pass and all the apartments flooded. Long Beach Marina is a large area of million-dollar housing and market estates next-to the moored boats; in other words, its a house next to a parking lot and unFreeway (compelled boat licenses from foreign agents).

It's melting, let's put land on it! (1)

anime_nerd (845903) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292090)

So the melting of the Artic is what's driving them there. Really smart, let's build on land that's going to melt out from under our feet! I didn't know it was really melting that bad. Can anyone say "The Day After Tomorrow"?

Re:It's melting, let's put land on it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292112)

well the ice is sorta on top of the land you know ( i think anyway )

Re:It's melting, let's put land on it! (1)

anime_nerd (845903) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292154)

While I may be incorrect, I thing that the after a certain point north, the Artic is just ice, though I don't know where they're building, so don't quote me or anything.

Re:It's melting, let's put land on it! (1)

spac3manspiff (839454) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292128)

I predict all hell will break loose when dick chenney dies.

Re:It's melting, let's put land on it! (1)

BobPaul (710574) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292239)

I predict all hell will break loose when dick chenney dies

Really? I expect things to get better...

Just wait until the ice age (4, Funny)

Qzukk (229616) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292103)

And the Antartic freezes back up.

6000 years later everyone will be standing around a block of ice that washes ashore gawking at the well preserved specimen of prehistoric man.

Real reason this was posted? (1, Insightful)

rd_syringe (793064) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292106)

It's an interesting article, no doubt, but why do I have a feeling the discussions will degenerate into political debates about global warming? It's kind of sad we can't just discuss things rationally anymore.

Of course, then you realize Slashdot's editors have to know that these subjects cause political debates. Then you understand--it's all about page hits for OSTG. Why do you think we got a Mozilla vulnerability and Linux root exploit article today? Each article is full of people arguing.

I believe the editors post flamebait articles intended to incite arguments because it generates page hits. Hence the endless cycle SCO, RIAA, Microsoft, Linus-did-this-today, SCO, RIAA, Microsoft, Mozilla, etc.

Re:Real reason this was posted? (5, Insightful)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292201)

Should have been posted in Politics anyway. It might be international politics, but it's certainly politics when Denmark sends a oceangoing geographic team north from Greenland in the dead of winter to plant flags on every little rock they find sticking up from the ice.

A question though- why the heck is global warming still contraversial? After all, it doesn't matter if it's man or nature caused- dealing with it is going to be everybody's concern very soon, and there's very little doubt left that it is happening.

Re:Real reason this was posted? (1, Troll)

rd_syringe (793064) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292332)

It's controversial because of the debate over man-made versus natural cycles. It's been politicized so that the left believes it's man-made (to go with the pro-nature crowd), and the right believes it's a natural cycle (to go with the pro-industry crowd).

Until people can recognize their own biases when coming to the discussion, it will be a lot more difficult to have any meaningful conversation on the matter, which is disappointing because you'd be amazed at how expanded your worldview can get when you talk to someone whom you disagree with but who is very eloquent about their position. Unfortunately, the anonymous nature of Slashdot as well as the problematic moderation system makes it hard for us geeks to have any such meaningful discussion at this point in time.

Re:Real reason this was posted? (1)

lowrydr310 (830514) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292365)

After all, it doesn't matter if it's man or nature caused

I have heard several 'experts' argue about whether it's nature or man causing the global warming. Doesn't anyone have a real answer yet?

For all we know, the warming trend might drastically end within a few years.

Canada.. (1)

Tesko (719892) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292115)

Glad we're already here, though I here Greenland is free *snicker*

Yes, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292125)

Where are the pictures of Trine Dahl Jensen??? All the arcticle says is that she is blond...

Speaking as an American... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292127)

I for one welcome our new Canadian overlords.

You see that!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292131)

There really is a bright side to this global warming, hole-in-the-ozone hullabaloo!! (or is it a broo-haw-haw...?)

All in the name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292136)

of "progress" of course

Great! (0)

Sebby (238625) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292142)

Speed up the process why don't you! Keep pumping greenhouse gasses locally, and flood the rest of the planet. Then who will you ship to??

Re:Great! (1)

BobPaul (710574) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292315)

Then who will you ship to

Mutant smog people?

Re:Great! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292327)

Sherpas.

To boldly go...yadda..yadda..yadda... (2, Funny)

CygnusXII (324675) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292144)

What no one disagrees with is the riches that would come from the thaw creating a north-west passage. The centuries-old bane of Arctic explorers could become a reality thanks to global warming, cutting thousands of miles off the shipping routes between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, and delivering a windfall to any country able to tax its users.
Wars, have been started for less. Also it's nice to see Global Warming getting a good rap for something.

Wow! (2)

AndreySeven (840823) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292146)

the North Pole could be ice-free in summertime by the end of the century. Around the Arctic, salmon are moving up into more northerly waters, hornets are beginning to buzz and barn owls are appearing in regions where indigenous people have never seen a barn

Whoever gets this land, is going to roll in the wealth of minerals and oil...

World War 3, begins this year...

Land rush in the Arctic (4, Insightful)

JJahn (657100) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292147)

...says a newspaper based in New Zealand. :-)

This is just disgusting (3, Insightful)

Ex Fish (771670) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292161)

The world is melting and all we wanna do is milk it for some bucks. Whoever designed the human brain was obviously using windows, cuz smething is seriously screwed up there. One step closer to Capitalism eating itself, friends.

Re:This is just disgusting (2, Interesting)

demachina (71715) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292329)

I hate to break it to you but the Earth's climate has always been in constant change. Don't think there is any law that says it has to stay the way it is now for eternity because now we have environmentalists to fret about it.

Though I'll grant you that the rate of change we are seeing and will see may be a cause for alarm and there is a pretty good chance it is man made. In particular if the change is to rapid many species will be wiped out because they wont be able to adapt quickly enough.

Most of the Bush administration crowd, who also happen to be the fossil fuel burning crowd, are more than willing to kid themselves that this is just the natural "greening" of a planet coming out of the ice age. They do have a point that there is no law that says we have to have huge ice packs on the poles, and there certainly have been era in earth's history when there weren't.

This is exactly why... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292162)

You should NEVER put negroes in charge.

Re:This is exactly why... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292312)

Muthafucka, I resent that shit.

Allocation... (4, Interesting)

FalconZero (607567) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292163)

Hey! Lets just allocate the new land as a straight swap for contries that lose land under the raised sea level.
Holland looks lucky (or unlucky if you count the relocation costs.)
...And here in the UK, the English, in the Southern (mostly) flatlands, have to move to the north pole, making Scotland a sunny resort.

Re:Allocation... (1)

FalconZero (607567) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292290)

And yes, I know contries is not a word.
s/contries/countries/g
Jeezz... get some better fuzzy logic... or drink beer; you choose.

Re:Allocation... (3, Insightful)

ShieldWolf (20476) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292348)

So you give away sovereign Canadian soil to compensate for global polution? Yeah that's fair. How about we give away land masses based on C02 emissions? That way 25% of the US will be up for auction.

mod dowN (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292166)

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Talk about... (2, Insightful)

Hamstij (831222) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292173)

... the rape of the natural world.

Sometimes I wonder if I really am the only one that gives a shit.

Am I the only one that mourns for all the lost (and soon to be lost) species?

Re:Talk about... (1)

servognome (738846) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292200)

Am I the only one that mourns for all the lost (and soon to be lost) species?
That's "half-empty" type thinking, I prefer to celebrate all the new species that will arise to take advantage of the new habitats.

Re:Talk about... (1)

wwahammy (765566) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292212)

No you're not, I agree completely. Sadly enough, not enough people agree with us.

Re:Talk about... (1)

droptone (798379) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292217)

Do not necessarily mourn for the loss of species, for species have gone extinct way before human contact. Mourn over the lack of caring that most humans have for the enviroment. Insatiable greed... =(

Re:Talk about... (1)

wwahammy (765566) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292248)

That too.

Re:Talk about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292364)

Mmm, insatiable greed...the driver of progress and all that is good in the world.

Re:Talk about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292223)

no, you're just the only one that wines like a tit about it.

Re:Talk about... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292261)

No, somewhere a single tear drips down the cheek of a noble American Indian.

Re:Talk about... (1)

snatcheroo (576329) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292271)

no, i'm with you.

but what can be done, really

humans are parasites bound to destroy themselves and take everything with them. complete and utter human genocide is the only hope this world has. unfortunately, the majority of us foolishly think that humans are important and humanity/human pride always takes the cake. it makes me sick. we don't deserve to be alive

Re:Talk about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292305)

If that's the way you feel, then why don't you help the environment by killing yourself?

the land nazis march on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292198)

asside from pollution,i can see people
gobbling up huge tracts of land,and
shooting those they don't want on it.

there is such a lack of phy$ical freedom
in the so-called developed world,its
completely pathetic

the artic is one of the few places humans
havent managed to completely fuck up.

Is this a short sighted goal? (2, Interesting)

Nascar_Geek (682890) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292199)

I wonder what will happen if this warming trend only lasts ten or fifteen years and then the ice closes back in. Will they find enough natural resources that are worth risking having the returning ice crush millions of dollars worth of equipment if the temperature starts to drop again?.

It is nice to think that there are still people out there who are so eager to explore this new area. As I watch people going to the front window in our office to trigger the remote starters on their cars (it's 20F here today) I can hardly imagine being able to find enough people to fill a helicopter that would be willing to brave that kind of extreme weather!

Melting Ice caps (2, Interesting)

Camel Pilot (78781) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292210)

The melting of Ice caps would also create opportunities for beach front property in Nevada. Get the top maps and find the 200 foot above sea level elevation and stake your claim now - or least for your children.

Melting Arctic Ice? No problem! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292214)

Melting Arctic Ice? Woohoo, a bonanza for oil companies and others who deal in natural resources! Maybe this was their strategy all along? Decrease the ability of the suns rays to leave the atmosphere, increasing the temp of the oceans, thereby melting icecaps and exposing more natural resources for the up-and-at-'em world citizen.

Oh, yeah, and the fact that the oceans will be rising ever so gradually, well that's just a side effect. Of course, with all that money they'll be able to afford huge houseboats, while we all drown :(

Did anyone else read "Countries Plan Land Rush in Warming Arctic" to mean "Countries Plan Inland Rush with Warming Arctic?"

why now...? (1)

davide101 (847486) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292227)

Why hasn't this happened already? It wasn't so long ago that people were building oil rigs and claiming them as private land... I would think anything would resource potential would have been gobbled up in the 80s and 90s.

Quick! (2, Funny)

xv4n (639231) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292232)

Deploy and send the AT-AT's !!!

Thin Ice (4, Interesting)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292233)

Watch for the US military to grab a role in "policing the sealanes" across the new arctic circle routes. Watch for the Russian military to challenge that role, backed by nuclear weapons. Watch for Canada, Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Finland to form a competing coalition that loses out because they're too nice.

Re:Thin Ice (2, Funny)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292345)

Watch for Canada, Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Finland to form a competing coalition that loses out because they're too nice.

Oh, I suspect the Swedes, Norwegians, and Danes, at least, might do a little, ah, rediscovering their heritage if things get nasty enough. The Scandinavian reputation for politeness is a pretty recent phenomenon.

Already divied up? (4, Interesting)

macdaddy (38372) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292238)

I thought that the land was already divied up? Wait, I must be thinking of Antartica. International waters only extend 6 miles from a country's shores. Can a country legally stake a claim to international waters?

Heh (1)

demachina (71715) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292240)

Heh, after all the flak I get on Slashdot everytime there is an article on global warming and I point out that a smart long term investor should be buying up coastal real estate in Canada, Alaska and Siberia. I also routinely point out you don't want to buy real estate that is to coastal since you have to allow for the fact the coastlines are going to move dramaticly as all that ice melts.

Get this straight (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292245)

get your f*cking submarines out of our country
this land and surrounding waters belong to Canada

Save the Polar Bears! (2, Funny)

donutz (195717) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292249)

The Arctic report said polar bears were "unlikely to survive as a species" if the ice disappeared and they were left to compete with their better-adapted brown and grizzly cousins.

I vote that we relocate all the polar bears to Antarctica. For too long have we northern-hemispherer's hoarded all those cuddly big white bears to ourselves. Now that we're unable to sustain their population, we should take them to the coldest continent, where there are no brown or grizzly bears, where they can be the dominant species.

Look out Mr Penguin, looks like there'll be a new kid on the block.

Re:Save the Polar Bears! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292335)

I just love polar-bear hugs.

As a Swede.. (1)

grazzy (56382) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292250)

"At her desk in an overheated, cupboard-sized office lined with polar maps on both walls, the Danish scientist with her blonde hair and broad forehead looks a true descendant of her Viking forebears."

They're not serious right? This just gotta be a joke. Or no? Is it just NZ thats a joke?

This is just tragic.

The last thing we needed... (1)

yeggman (599487) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292252)

...more money being made at the expense of the environment. I'm telling ya' the take from the business folks will be that global warming is good for business. If temperatures keep rising, that Article Circle land, might become prime water front real estate.

Who else wants to claim the pole? (1)

CdXiminez (807199) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292265)

USA: We have Alaska, the pole is ours.
Canada: We have Hudson Bay, the pole is ours.
Russia: we have Siberia, the pole is ours.
Denmark: we have Greenland, sort of, the pole is ours.

Sheez, Holland used to have Svalbard and Jan Mayen, can we claim too?
Oh, and some of us spent some time on Nova Zembla, we must have a strong case...

Re:Who else wants to claim the pole? (1)

dabigpaybackski (772131) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292360)

Spitzbergen! I want Spitzbergen! Gonna build me a little resort, right next to the coalmine and the fish-monger.

landrush? really? They're going to be disappointe (2, Interesting)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292278)

erm.. forgive me here, but isn't the Arctic totally landless? Antarctica is a continent, but the Arctic is simply frozen water. No land. At all.

(and yes, I read the article, but it was a bit boring really. Why can't Russia control it as it has all those nuclear subs hanging around the place, or Canada that sort-of owns all the cold bits anyway. Denmark.... good luck guys :) )

Come on Kyoto (2, Funny)

DrKyle (818035) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292314)

I guess one of the reasons us Canadians support it is this way we can keep those damn Russians and Danes from stealing Santa's mail [members.shaw.ca] . (You all knew Santa is Canadian, right?)

in related news (3, Interesting)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292322)

Countries plan land rush in Hell

Hubris, arrogance, and lack of foresight are among the karmic interests at stake, in an opportunity opened up by the melting Arctic ice.

Although... maybe Erik the Red can finally make good on the biggest real estate swindle of the last 2 millenia: giving "Greenland" [wikipedia.org] it's real estate-friendly but truth-defying name.

The name Greenland comes from those Scandinavian settlers. In the Norse sagas, it is said that Eiríkur Rauði (Erik the Red) was exiled from Iceland for murder. He, along with his family and slaves, set out in longships to find the land that was rumoured to be to the north-west. After settling there, he named the land Greenland in order to attract more people to settle there.

Land in the Arctic? (1)

Shimmer (3036) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292342)

Sorry, but it's all ice up there.

What an ironic "land-grab" this will turn out to be when it all melts out from under them.

In other news.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11292346)

Beachfront property for sale in Philadelphia, NYC, and Oklahoma.

As a Canadian..... (1)

Stripsurge (162174) | more than 9 years ago | (#11292350)

I'm not so sure we can hold onto it. There was an exclusive on the news the other night that told how submarines from an unknown country have been spotted in the same location by Inuit fisherman on an annual basis. When interviewed the minister of defence had some scary words to say: "Oh no. Nobody would do that. We're Canada.... plus we don't have the resources to defend it anyways" They flew some planes over the area, saw nothing then concluded "Nope. There were no subs there."

There's something about international law that states waters become international if ships pass through it without being contested. I don't recall if it was how many years that the waterway must remain open. 30 Maybe? Anyways, basically Canada's claim to the north may not be as sure-footed as one might expect.
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