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Porn Industry Mulls Next Generation-DVD

Hemos posted more than 9 years ago | from the porn-and-stock-trading:-the-internet-today dept.

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MBCook writes "ZDNet has an interesting article about how the porn industry might end up deciding the outcome of the HD-DVD/Blu-ray debate. One side likes the higher capacity of Blu-ray, while others like the lower costs of producing HD-DVDs. Manufacturing 11,000 titles a year, the industry would have a sizeable say in the debate."

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eh? (4, Funny)

PoopJuggler (688445) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309466)

Blew Ray?

Re:eh? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11309482)

No. HD-DVDA

ROCKED BY RAPE (-1, Flamebait)

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Re:ROCKED BY RAPE (1)

abb3w (696381) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309815)

This will hardly qualify as the next DVD replacement media, even if it is vaguely related to porn.

This should be fairly obvious... (4, Funny)

medraut (136992) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309471)

The bigger the better!

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

They have porn on DVDs now? (5, Funny)

TheLoneCabbage (323135) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309472)


I just thought it was all in the internet?

Re:They have porn on DVDs now? (5, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309520)

Please remember why video tapes became so popular. Porn. People wanted to be able to watch other people do their thing in the privacy of their own homes.

While porn is rampant on the Internet the movie side of it all (outside of empornium.us) is rather lame and expensive.

DVDs are available for a little money and you get quite a bit of longevity out of them (watching not necessarily anything related ;)). Some of those porn sites are shady when you pay to get the whole thing and some are just outrageously expensive ($29.95/mo? Give me a break).

Re:They have porn on DVDs now? (4, Funny)

stupidfoo (836212) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309556)

The earliest adopters of DVDs were mostly porn companies. Interactivity and the ability to wash it off if need be, how can you lose?

Re:They have porn on DVDs now? (5, Insightful)

DaHat (247651) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309676)

Interestingly enough, porn is also one of those areas that does a better job of exploiting the potentials of a given technology. Where else do you see the ability for multiple camera angles within a film other than in a technology demo?

Re:They have porn on DVDs now? (2, Informative)

Vo0k (760020) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309822)

Sports. (no, not me. I'm a nerd.)
Shows.
Demo of -other- technology than the AV running the display, also scientific presentations. Also educational.
Security, monitoring ;)
News/Live.

Re:They have porn on DVDs now? (2, Informative)

the unbeliever (201915) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309688)

$29.95/mo for one month isn't bad if you're using something like Teleport Pro or Wget to download *everything* they have and promptly cancel your membership.

Ah vice (5, Insightful)

Qzukk (229616) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309473)

In the end, porn really is what drives technology forward. You can believe that when we have fully tactile 3d VR, we'll have it because the porn industry invented it.

Re:Ah vice (4, Insightful)

jafomatic (738417) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309575)

Close, but I'd like to suggest the following edit:

"You can believe that when we have fully tactile 3d VR, we'll have it because the porn industry paid for it"

Re:Ah vice (1)

Derkec (463377) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309634)

Closer, but I'd suggest the following edit:

"You can believe that when we have fully tactile 3d VR, we'll have it because porn consumers paid for it."

The porn industry picks technologies but it's their customers who have to buy the new ____ players to see the latest and greatest.

Re:Ah vice (1)

BobPaul (710574) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309742)

I think by "paid for it" he meant funded (as opposed to invented.)

"You can believe that when we have fully tactile 3d VR, we'll have it because porn industry funded its developement."

Re:Ah vice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11309633)

Not "invented". Ordered and funded the development.

Re:Ah vice (0, Flamebait)

mirko (198274) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309689)

So, Al Gore might have invented the Internet, then ?

Re:Ah vice (1)

barthrh2 (713909) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309684)

No kidding. Apparently the whole drive to the moon was Kennedy hoping to get some action just like Captain Kirk's.

11000? (3, Insightful)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309479)

11000 porn titles a year? Goodness, who's actually watching all that? I rented a few porn movies myself when I was young(er), but to be frank, I never was impressed with any of them, and I returned most (if not all) of them without even finishing watching them.

Did I just watch the wrong ones and miss those that are actually entertaining (in whatever way)?

Re:11000? (5, Funny)

Ohm2k (262274) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309496)

Funny thing is, I've never finished watching one either. /seen the first 6 minutes several times tho...

Re:11000? (3, Interesting)

stinerman (812158) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309798)

I'm assuming there is some reason why you rewound the tape after each viewing.

Personally, I had to recall the exact time offset and rewind to there so my parents wouldn't pop in the tape and it be in a different spot (call me paranoid). They never caught me on that. But (as Chris Rock has alluded to), I did leave it in the VCR one day.

Alas.

Re:11000? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11309507)

Did I just watch the wrong ones and miss those that are actually entertaining (in whatever way)?

No, you are gay...

Re:11000? (2, Informative)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309618)

No, you are gay...

No, I'm bi. And for what it's worth, there's tons of gay porn out there, too - go check, and you'll see for yourself. 11000 titles a year does not equal 11000 heterosexual/lesbian titles a year (BTW, am I the only one who thinks it's funny that the stereotypical macho hates gays but likes to watch porn involving two women?)

Re:11000? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11309658)

Because two women is nice.. and two men is not nice.. :-)

Re:11000? (-1, Flamebait)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309678)

Says who?

Re:11000? (1)

instanto (513362) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309743)

Says the person who decided to post the comment anonymously in fear of being repression by "the Man".

Its quite easy really. See what the comment says, look who posted it. Thats who said it.

Unless the person is quoting something, like

"And we shall fight on the beaches.." - W. Churchill (Or that guy in the BBC who did his voice..)

Then the person who said it, did not actually say it, but quoted another person saying it - and gave credit to that person.

Re:11000? (4, Insightful)

slaker (53818) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309775)

The stereotypical macho guy is bothered by looking at another guy.
Especially the five different prison escapees who show up in every straight mainstream porno. They are hairy and flabby and covered with tatoos.

Why? Because straight guys are comfortable with that.
Don't ask me why straight guys are OK with that one camera angle where the camera is pointed straight up between the guy's legs while he's going at it with a bored, plastic blonde, so that all you see is fat, hairy man ass. Is there a straight guy somewhere who wants to see that?

I have observed that the guys in gay movies (or at least the box covers) or European films tend to be a lot better looking (fit, less hairy etc). Still look like prison escapees, but maybe not the maximum security wing.

Anyway, the straight guy watches a couple girls and can have the fantasy that "Gee, all they REALLY need is a man."

Which is the kind of thing that will make an actual lesbian laugh out loud.

And for the record, I don't think anyone watches all 11,000 titles, but someone with a real interest in any particular subject matter can probably see all of the couple dozen titles related to that fetish that are released in a given year. I do pretty well with mainstream feature releases from Vivid, Wicked, VCA, Adam & Eve et al.

Re:11000? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11309515)

Of course you returned them without finishing watching them, it only takes 2 minutes to have a wank.

Re:11000? (4, Funny)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309530)

I rented a few porn movies myself when I was young(er), but to be frank, I never was impressed with any of them, and I returned most (if not all) of them without even finishing watching them.


Turning it off after the first 4 minutes isn't a failure of the porn, it's lack of stamina. ;-)

Re:11000? (1)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309579)

Heh. ^_~ That's NOT what I meant - I stopped watching them because I was genuinely bored. No, really!

Re:11000? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11309823)

You, sir, are gay. No, really :)

Re:11000? (4, Funny)

eclectro (227083) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309551)

11000 porn titles a year? Goodness, who's actually watching all that? I rented a few porn movies myself when I was young

Back in the day when we were boys we had one (1) playboy for the whole neighborhood.

And we were grateful.

Re:11000? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11309606)

I bet the pages were really crinkly.

Re:11000? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11309781)

Luxury. When I was a lad you were lucky to sneak a copy of National Geographic from neighbor's mailbox. But you try to tell that to kids today...

24 (1)

KingEomer (795285) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309571)

Come on, we really know that they are making 24 titles a year.

Re:11000? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11309607)

Nobody :) Everyone just watches the first 6 mins, says "it's crap again" and goes to rent another one in hope it will be better.

Same politics as with Windows upgrades. The only way out of the loophole is to install an alternate OS. (or, in case of porn, get a mare)

Re:11000? (1)

marmoset (3738) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309711)

(or, in case of porn, get a mare)

That costs extra.

Re:11000? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11309755)

Uh, presumably that's because none of the ones you rented involved people in fur suits.

Re:11000? (0)

dj245 (732906) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309774)

Boring porn movies can be turned into a game. Invite a few guys over (and girls too! oh wait this is Slashdot) and then play "Find the Plot"

Works best when combined with alcohol.

If history is any guide.... (1)

confusion (14388) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309483)

Bet on the one with weaker technology...

Then again, 20 extra gigs of "Twin Peaks" sounds awfully compelling...

Jerry
http://www.syslog.org/ [syslog.org]

Re:If history is any guide.... (1)

Broiler (804077) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309747)

As has already been stated...why do we need the extra 20 gigs of space? We only need 6 minutes worth of content!

Creative Expression (0)

InfiniterX (12749) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309487)

Adult film producers want the higher quality picture as well as extra space for creative expression--like giving viewers choice of camera angles.

"Creative Expression" in porn is a term I'm not going to touch with a 10-foot pole.

But damn if you're not going to be able to see it from six different angles.

Re:Creative Expression (5, Funny)

aendeuryu (844048) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309509)

"10-foot pole" in a discussion on porn isn't a term I'm going to touch with a...

Re:Creative Expression (1)

Xpilot (117961) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309698)

10-foot pole" in a discussion on porn isn't a term I'm going to touch with a...

...kumquat?
People have such strange fetishes.

Re:Creative Expression (1)

PoopJuggler (688445) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309527)

A pile of dog crap is still a pile of dog crap no matter how many angles you look at it from. Trust me.

Re:Creative Expression (3, Funny)

njcoder (657816) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309647)

" A pile of dog crap is still a pile of dog crap no matter how many angles you look at it from. Trust me."

Oh so you like German porn?

Re:Creative Expression (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11309681)

Your 'name', coupled with that statement... I believe you!

Finally a voice of reason (4, Insightful)

lokedhs (672255) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309494)

I've been saying this for a long time. The porn industry is driving technology.

Why did VHS win and Betamax fail? Some people (including me) argue that the biggest reason is that all th eporn was available on VHS. Wasn't there a statement against porn from the betamax people?

Which industry was the only industry for a long time acually delivering profits selling stuff on the web during a time when all other industries promised a lot but only delivered losses?

And remember the multiple-angle button on the DVD players? Who really thinks that this button was designed for the sports industry?

I think the article hits the nail right on the head. The porn industry will decide which format will be used.

Re:Finally a voice of reason (1)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309563)

They (the betamax people) did that? Then it's no wonder they lost indeed, and not just because it happened to be the porn industry. I think it's reasonably safe to say that any attempt to control or limit possible content is doomed to fail when there are equally-good alternatives available that do not have such restrictions.

Re:Finally a voice of reason (3, Interesting)

lokedhs (672255) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309679)

Yes, and since I wrote the previous post other people have commented that Sony actually prevented porn companies from licensing the technology. A recipie for failure if you ask me.

Re:Finally a voice of reason (1)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309750)

Definitely, and even more so since there's basically nothing wrong with porn (in a sense that'd mean you shouldn't license "your" technology [whatever "your" actually is supposed to mean in this regard - it's not like "intellectual property" actually *is* property, but that's another matter] for use with it, that is).

Re:Finally a voice of reason (4, Interesting)

ari{Dal} (68669) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309603)

Oh, it's completely true. It's a well established fact that the porn industry leads the rest of the pack when it comes to embracing technology and making money off of it.

Print, phone sex lines, cinemas, VCRs, dvd players... you name it, the porn industry is making money off of it long before anyone else is.

I have heard it argued that the reason HDTV hasn't taken off as quickly as expected is because porn just can't stand up to such high quality images. Those 'perfect' bodies show their many flaws when displayed under high definition, and for most porn 'connaisseurs' , that ruins the fantasy aspect. If ms. X suddenly has zits all over her ass and acne scars on her face, it just ain't that sexy anymore.

Whether that's true or not, i've no idea. But it's food for thought.

Re:Finally a voice of reason (0)

Reez (65123) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309834)

"porn just can't stand up to such high quality images" ? that's BS. Imagine sexual organs and nipples in hi resolution ... now that rules. More vivid than ever !

Re:Finally a voice of reason (2, Insightful)

Grab (126025) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309656)

You're obviously ignoring the reason that all the *movies* were available on VHS.

Certainly porn was available as well. But I doubt your typical video shop was ever renting more than a few porn films a week compared to dozens of copies of Rocky, Terminator, Tron, The Breakfast Club, Wierd Science, Top Gun, etc, etc. And Betamax screwed up by not getting films from the major studios, so they cut themselves out of the top-blockbusters-on-video market, which was where most people agree the VHS-versus-Betamax battle was won/lost.

Grab.

A Perfect product... (1)

abb3w (696381) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309783)

costs dimes to make but sells for dollars, is addicting, legal, and non-fattening.

Which industry was the only industry for a long time acually delivering profits selling stuff on the web during a time when all other industries promised a lot but only delivered losses? [...]The porn industry will decide which format will be used.

Yah, porn comes pretty close if you watch out for silly Tennesee postmasters.

Re:Finally a voice of reason (2, Interesting)

victor_the_cleaner (723411) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309825)

Yes we all know the VHS/Beta issue with Porn.

Some other notes. When the LaserDisc was supposed to be the next 'big thing' the company that created the technology (Pioneer perhaps) refused to license the mastering tools to the porn industry, thus killing the format.

When Sony and the other partners came up with DVD, the first high-end duplication machine (and licensing deal) in the United States was with Vivid Video. Thus ensuring the success of the format.

11,000 ? (2)

Napoleon Blownapart (767443) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309499)

11,000?

I swore I only watched 10,500 last year

Damn, I missed some

Funny in a way. (1)

wertarbyte (811674) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309505)

If there is a new technology, it's either the military or the porn industry who uses it first, either the killing professionals, or the...you know where this line is leading.

Re:Funny in a way. (1)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309597)

What's even more funny is that for most people, it seems to be perfectly OK to talk about the military and killing people and so on, but mentioning sex is a taboo.

It just doesn't make sense when you think about it...

Re:Funny in a way. (1)

instanto (513362) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309697)

Its because of overpopulation.

Re:Funny in a way. (1)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309729)

Oh, come on, as if deep down, anyone really actually cares about that.

Re:Funny in a way. (0)

instanto (513362) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309767)

I do, thats why I always finish my food portions, which are excessively large.. Thus I help keep other countries citizens starving... All in spirit of helping Gaia.

Re:Funny in a way. (4, Insightful)

Vo0k (760020) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309759)

Too true. A game released as adult-only: Tons of gore, rivers of blood, some glimpses of naked tits. Same game released as PG-13: Tons of gore, rivers of blood, pixelated tits.

But it's not only production...

Remember "Morrowind?" There was a character named Crassius Curio, a lord with taste for earthly deligts. He wasn't a very demanding master. His tasks were quite simple. "Take off all your clothes and show yourself to uncle Crassius." Menawhile other "lords" demanded assassination of competitors, mugging people, blackmail, requested bribes, wanted betrayal and all kind of such filth. Now visit Morrowind forums and look up for threads "most hated NPC". Of course harmless Crassius is far in front of the list and many people boast how they sneakily murdered him or what tortures would they want to apply to him.

It's scary how activity of destroying life is more accepted that creating it, and how strong hipocrisy makes otherwise harmless (unless of course taken over by the crime organizations, i.e. because of the reputation) porn industry "the devil".
Probably if it wasn't treated as such "sneaky back door" stuff, all the wrongs (rape, slavery, violence) could be fought better too. ...and now we have Mafia bosses deciding what standard we will use.

does this mean (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11309513)

that the enlightenment team's porn film will be put on hold for another few months until the format is converted. Geesh... Another delay.....

All the details? (2, Funny)

cyclocommuter (762131) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309517)

One thing I wouldn't want to watch in HD pron though... those rear end going on stuff might show more detail (and colors) than I could stomach :)

Re:All the details? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11309561)

We can all tell you never saw a real women in naked in person, if you can't handle seeing it on tv.

Just stick with your computer.

Betamax (4, Informative)

n0mad6 (668307) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309523)

One only has to look to the Betamax [wikipedia.org] to find a superior home entertainment technology that lost partially because the porn industry embraced the competitor. (actually, IIRC, Sony refused to license the beta to porn).

Betamax superior ? Common misconception! (4, Informative)

bigmouth_strikes (224629) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309780)

If you check one of the links in the Betamax Wikipedia article you linked to, you'd notice this article [guardian.co.uk] debunking the Betamax player superiority as a myth.

The article has several good points, although it's sometimes hard to tell what can be attributed to hindsight and what can't. Anyhow I think it's safe to say that "Betamax > VHS" is a huge oversimplification.

Creativity in porn...? (1)

djplurvert (737910) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309525)


Adult film producers want the higher quality picture as well as extra space for creative expression--like giving viewers choice of camera angles.


These guys are creative geniuses. Who'd of thought of that? MORE camera angles. What a clever way to fill up that extra space.

Re:Creativity in porn...? (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309566)

These guys are creative geniuses. Who'd of thought of that? MORE camera angles. What a clever way to fill up that extra space.


Well, the multi-angle feature in the DVD spec seems to have been used in two ways -- commentaties to show the way the film was built, and porn.

I'm sure there are ligitimate uses of multi-angles.

Wait For It ! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11309526)

I feel a disturbance in the force, as if a thousand lewd jokes are about to be posted to Slashdot ...

look (1)

zippo01 (688802) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309531)

Look what happen to beta tapes.

Sorry... (1)

cspring007 (705809) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309534)

"would have a sizeable say in the debate"

Deciding the Debate? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11309538)

The article says the smaller studios prefer HD-DVD because its cheaper to produce, while the bigger studios prefer BluRay because its got a larger capacity. So does the phrase "Nothing to see here, move along" apply to this as well?

Maybe (1, Funny)

ptomblin (1378) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309543)

Maybe if they'd stop selling those "all weekend erection" pills they wouldn't need longer porn movies.

Porn has always played a big role in technology... (4, Insightful)

ddent (166525) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309547)

They have been heavily involved in the development and early adopters of: online credit card transactions, streaming video/webcams, VHS, multi-angle DVDs, pop-up ads, affiliate programs, pay-per-view, 900 #s, geo-targetting... the list goes on.

Andrew Blake! (0, Redundant)

ActionAL (260721) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309550)

Mr. Blake's gonna make great use out of this new technology, his movies are always the best. High quality video, production, sound, and the women!!! Amazing. O wait, this isn't the adultdvdtalk forum!

Choice quote (2, Funny)

castlec (546341) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309552)

"We're kind of riding it out a little further to see where the trend goes," said Jackie Ramos, an executive in the DVD division at leading porn producer Wicked Pictures. that's a classic if i've ever seen one

The "mainstreamifcation" of pr0n (3, Funny)

jacobcaz (91509) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309553)

It's coming, and then there will be a conservative backlash followed by a puritanical period...followed by more pr0n.

<ObSimpsons>
Marge: "Fox turned into a hard-core porn network so gradually, I didn't even notice!"
</ObSimpsons>

Lame ass format war (2, Insightful)

brywalker (738506) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309576)

The reason DVD is so popular isn't so much cost or quality, even though it helps. It was because it was the ONLY format. Most people that have a DVD player now can't even tell the difference between VHS and DVD (sad, I know) and only got one because they can borrow movies from their friends and because they are cheap. This whole thing is going to blow up in their faces because Joe Average isn't going to know which one to get and they sure aren't going to buy 2 players.

At that rate, even if there are all in one players they are never going to hit the hillbilly Wal-Mart sub $50 price point (or $100 at that rate) having to have 3 lasers (Blu-ray, HDDVD, DVD/CD).

This porn thing is going to be a mess too. Porn is a HUGE industry. If there is going to be a format war internally there, you can expect nothing but a mess.

This is going to be a colossal freaking debacle.

Re:Lame ass format war (1)

Dogers (446369) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309622)

This porn thing is going to be a mess too. Porn is a HUGE industry. If there is going to be a format war internally there, you can expect nothing but a mess.


Yeah, damned porn industry, why are they always leaving a mess?! I pity the poor soul who has to clean up all the time..

Re:Lame ass format war (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11309773)

Most people that have a DVD player now can't even tell the difference between VHS and DVD

I'm sure they can figure it out pretty quickly when they try to pop a VHS tape into their DVD player...

Yea! (1)

ratta (760424) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309588)

I will have something to see with my new expensive blue ray reader!

More isn't always better (4, Insightful)

Anita Coney (648748) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309620)

First, if the industry puts more and more porn onto one disc they'll risk losing sales if they charge more for that one disc. If someone is ordering porn on sees a $50 disc and a $25 dollar disc, I'm guessing they'll go with the $25 disc, regardless of how much porn is on the former.

Second, the vast majority of porn actresses are NOT that good looking. Sure they look somewhat OK on DVD, but once you put them on HD you'll start noticing the grotesque flaws, e.g., surgical scares.

Re:More isn't always better (4, Funny)

Anita Coney (648748) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309649)

"surgical SCARES"... now that's a Freudian slip!

I don't see why porn needs a higher capacity disk (0, Redundant)

ClosedSource (238333) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309642)

10 minutes of content will do the job.

HD porn? oh gowd no. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11309648)

sorry but there is a reason that the porn channels have not even looked at HD yet. Porn stars are pretty farking ugly. If you saw that 8 way screwfest in HD clarity you would be pretty turned off as to how hairy her ass is and those "freckles" are actually open sores...

Porn is best left in low res and fuzzy. it allows you to fill in the rest of the details and not get disgusted.

Re:HD porn? oh gowd no. (1)

instanto (513362) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309791)


I am interested to see how the Erotic Literature industry is viewing Blu-Ray/HD-DVD then. I am sure they could fit a lot more books onto one Blu-Ray than a HD-DVD... And it does'nt matter if the quality is soo good... Hey, perhaps even blind people can read it.

Nine hours of HD content! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11309683)

I guess I'm in favor of getting more content for my money. Ignoring porn for the moment, I notice that some mainstream studios are in favor of the higher density format. What's in it for them? Maybe they want to foist a bunch of stuff we don't want (like interviews with the electrician's assistant) on us and jack up the price. In that case, they have learned nothing from recent events. Most people resent paying twenty bucks for a cd just to get one song. Same for movies. If I want a movie, that's what I want. I don't want an extra seven hours of filler.

Well... (1)

giginger (825703) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309706)

The good old days of grainy hardcore loops are fast receding...

choice quote (1)

Wordsmith (183749) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309709)

"Manufacturing 11,000 titles a year, the industry would have a sizeable say in the debate."

It's not the size of the say of the debate, it's how fast you can mass produce those discs. DISCS, perv.

disks, broadband, and e-commerce too (1)

peter303 (12292) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309712)

Customers demand the terabytes of disk to store hundreds of hours of p0rn; they demand broadband to deliver it; they pioneered ways to pay it over the net.

Betamax lost out because of this... (2, Interesting)

el Davo (847338) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309720)

From what I've heard, Betamax lost to VHS because at first they were both proprietary formats. Betamax held less tape BUT had a higher quality. Sony made Betamax but at first would not let the porn industry use the format since they felt it was immoral and unethical. I know that Japan has had some very serious anti-porn laws in place in the past. This also could have been an issue. Anyhow, I think it was JVC that came up with VHS and were more than eager to cash in on the porn goldmine. These two new formats (also proprietary) are both welcoming the porn industry as the lesson has been learned...never underestimate the financial power of porn! Has anyone heard of China's EVD? I believe it was the first to use blue ray technology but it's patent is open. That means that anyone can use it without royalties. I believe this is why it has not been used in America, it welcomes bootleggers. And that's probably why it's so popular in China :)

I'd put my money on good enough and cheap (1)

hey! (33014) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309728)

Doesn't the porn industry put out VCDs? If the porn industry is going to be the driver in this, I'd put my money on the cheaper technology, provided it's good enough to get people to buy. That means more margin on the cheap products you sell a lot of. How many expensive, elaborately produced DVDs do they do?

Even on a fancy LotR style DVD set, you could just go to multiple disks. This would cost more, but its on a more expensive product. Lower costs on cheap products make a huge difference in profitability; higher costs on expensive products have less of an impact.

It's not the porn industry (3, Insightful)

a_nonamiss (743253) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309741)

It's not the porn indistry per se that is driving this technology, it's capitalism. The article makes it seem as though the porn industry is lined with visionaries that sit around all day and come up with ways to better society. They're not driving anything. They're reactionaries. While it's true that the porn industry has fuled the emergence of many technologies, they are doing so mostly by accident. They are only in the business of making money. Take DVD's for instance. They are much cheaper to produce, they are more durable, lighter (cheaper distribution) and they don't melt when you leave them paused on one scene for a long period of time. This is clearly a natural fit for the porn industry, so they started producing DVD's. Same goes with the porn explosion in the early days of the Internet. Inexpensive distribution, and people clearly had poor judgement when they were wanking off. (Why do you think they can offer subscriptions for $29.95 a month.)

I know this post comes off as porn bashing, but let's not give those guys (and girls) too much credit. They saw an opportunity and seized it. Same with mass spammers. They aren't trying to ruin the Internet, but where there's a buck to be made...

Bottom line. (0)

TTL0 (546351) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309753)

Size matters. 'nuff said.

"Obscene Profits: Entrepeneurs of Pornography" (2, Interesting)

kriegsman (55737) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309766)

Recommended reading: Obscene Profits: The Entrepreneurs of Pornography in the Cyber Age [amazon.com] . This book maps out how pornography has propelled technology forward through the ages, from the printing press to the Internet. Amazon even lets you read the first few pages [amazon.com] .

It's interesting to see the HDDVD/BluRay discussion in some longer-range historical light.

-Mark

The winner will be... (3, Funny)

NoNeeeed (157503) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309770)

...the one that is most resistant to sticky fingers marks.

Licensing (1)

Delita (300714) | more than 9 years ago | (#11309795)

If one of the two formats decides to offer reduced licensing fees to the porn industry for the first few years, say until 2007 or 2008, that will be the format that wins. The initial cost to setup Blu-Ray or HD-DVD is nothing compared to a few years of licensing fees.

Betamax!? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11309802)

Wow, you guys were around for betamax!? How were the dinosaurs of the time, were they friendly? ;)
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