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Planning For Mozilla 2.0

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the what-at-this-time-of-night dept.

Mozilla 579

wikinerd writes "The MozillaWiki maintains a number of pages on Mozilla 2.0 which reveals lots of possible new features of the popular browser. What does your wishlist include about Mozilla 2.0, and how has the release of Firefox affected your use of Mozilla?"

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2.0? (4, Funny)

keesh (202812) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333309)

What's with Mozilla 1.4, er, I mean 1.5, er, I mean 1.6, er, I mean 1.7 being the Last Release Ever?

Re:2.0? (1)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333489)

Yeah wtf ??
Last I heard, Moz was left titsup [oreillynet.com] in a tar pit and the developers were concentrating their efforts on Firefox and Thunderbird. Did McNealy join mozilla.org or something?

Who has firefox affectd my use of Mozilla? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11333311)

It has ended it.

Re:Who has firefox affectd my use of Mozilla? (5, Interesting)

gandell (827178) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333345)

Ditto. Mozilla was bloated anyway. If you wanted its full features, you could take advantage of it, but I preferred the lighter Firefox, anyway.
The features I wanted are already found in Firefox (i.e., tabbed browsing, popup blocker, themes & extensions). I just don't need Mozilla any more.

Re:Who has firefox affectd my use of Mozilla? (1)

Hackeron (704093) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333501)

Firefox is light? -- still painfully slow on an 866mhz crusoe laptop (the ones with >15 hours battery life). Used to use opera on it, but since Konqueror 3.3.0, I've never looked back.

Since 3.3.0, Konqueror is rock stable (unlike 3.2.4) and it now easily views absolutely every site I visit flawlessly. Its also snappy and responsive on machines as slow as 200mhz with 20 tabs open. - So I dont much care for either firefox or mozilla thank you very much.

PS: for the record, I've converted many firefox users to konqueror ;)

Re:Who has firefox affectd my use of Mozilla? (0, Redundant)

Hackeron (704093) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333527)

Nice screenshot of konqueror in action on my lappie: http://81.86.159.146/hackeron/index.php/Image:Late st.png

(yes, thats another konqueror on the bottom frame, and yes thats Tara Reid in mplayer and yes thats the ion window manager)

Whats impressive is on that very productive configuration, things feel *faster* than firefox+KDE on a 3200+ AMD box.

Re:Who has firefox affectd my use of Mozilla? (1)

EzInKy (115248) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333456)

I had the opposite reaction. After trying Firefox I found it so spartan that I realised just how much I would miss the Mozilla suite if its development would ever stop.

Do tell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11333512)

I am one of those who dropped Mozilla for Firefox.

What am i missing?

I use dedicated software for mail and news, what else is there?

Re:Who has firefox affectd my use of Mozilla? (1)

Hammer (14284) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333579)

Yeah, it has all I need (tabs, smart blocking etc) it's relatively lean. It has none of the bloat like semi-working mail etc.
I did not even know Mozilla was up to 1.7!!

New Theme (3, Interesting)

Frogbert (589961) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333315)

How about a new Theme? I personaly dispise the current theme and the way the various toolbars interact within mozilla.

Also how about a way to manage Mozilla using Windows group policies?

What about a MSI package?

Re:New Theme (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11333371)

Already available in the nightly builds -- just added a week or so ago

Re:New Theme (5, Interesting)

Ciderx (524837) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333414)

Shameless advertising post!

I've been working on a project to be able to manage Firefox with Group Policies, but I may be extending it to cover Mozilla as well. Its a bit rough and ready, and needs a good deal of optimisation but importantly, it works and there's a number of people using it successfully...

http://spaces.msn.com/members/in-cider/ [msn.com]

Re:New Theme (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11333458)

A MSI script for Firefox was committed to CVS last week, and I'm sure that with some light modifications, it can be made to work with Seamonkey as well.

/Mabus

Simple (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11333317)

Mine are pretty simple.

A graphical history record (i.e. one that keeps a stored image of places where I've been, rather than a mere text description, as most give very limited info of what that particular site was).

And, an RSS reader equivalent to FeedDemon [bradsoft.com] .

Re:Simple (1)

zerblat (785) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333385)

And, an RSS reader equivalent to FeedDemon.
Sage [mozdev.org] ?

Re:Simple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11333422)

As good as Sage is, it doesn't come near to the quality of FeedDemon.

It needs to have the option to have full text description of the link constantly available, rather than on mouse over.

It needs to have the option of the "Newspaper view" [bradsoft.com] , which essentially places all feeds of a type into one view, very useful and nice.

It needs to have a better ability to sort feed topics, folders are nice, but not good enough.

It is just not FeedDemon.

Re:Simple (2, Insightful)

hokie99cpe (825807) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333403)

Personally, I'm digging the Firefox/Thunderbird duo.

I have never had any major problems in Firefox. Most of my problems stem from simple-minded web devs relying too heavily on IEs mechanisms and not putting enough emphasis on interoperability.

And, Thunderbird is turning out to be one of the best email clients I've used in a while. With its bultin in RSS reader and junk mail filter, it is, for me, a complete package.

Re:Simple (1)

plj (673710) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333444)

i.e. one that keeps a stored image of places where I've been

You mean that it would be easier to find again those p0rn sites you've already visited?

Wishlist: Slashdot (4, Insightful)

ZeLonewolf (197271) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333318)

My wish is that Mozilla properly render Slashdot. What an embarassment! Someone even went so far as to make a Mozilla plugin that fixed the Slashdot rendering bug! I mean, c'mon people, you'd think that Mozilla would properly render Mozilla's biggest supporter.

Re:Wishlist: Slashdot (3, Informative)

byolinux (535260) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333330)

The problem is not Mozilla. The problem is Slashdot's piss poor HTML.

Re:Wishlist: Slashdot (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333535)

Is that right? What's the nature of the problem (as one who's never looked at Slashcode very deeply), out of curiosity?

Re:Wishlist: Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11333338)

Current Mozilla builds render Slashdot fine, and have done for a while, it just wasn't considered to be safe enough for firefox.

Previous versions of Konqueror also had a similar issue, but that appears to be fixed in KDE 3.

It has been fixed already (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11333340)

WORKSFORME (r) in Mozilla 1.7, but indeed there have been some people bugged by this problem. It is fixed in 1.8 branch though, a new alpha will come out one of the next days.

Granted. (5, Informative)

sethadam1 (530629) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333358)

This has been fixed in the trunk for a long time (but not the branch Firefox 1.0 comes from), and will be in Firefox 1.1, whether Mozilla increments to 2.0 or not.

Bug 217527 [mozilla.org]
Bug 264913 [mozilla.org]

If you really, really need a fix now, visit this URL [scarlet.be] and download one of the nightlies from the trunk [fair warning - some nightlies have some annoying bugs in them, but generally, are pretty good]. It works just fine there, but I'm told requires too many changes to backport into the ff1/mozilla whatever branch.

just out of curiosity... (1)

interactive_civilian (205158) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333552)

Just out of curiosity, which, if any, extensions do those nightlies break?

I'm currently using Adblock, downTHEMall, Right Encoding, Tabbrowser Preferences, Wikipedia, Farkit, Rot13 Encoder/Decoder, and Download Manager Tweak. I can live without a few of them, but Adblock, Farkit, and Tabbrowser Preferences are fairly essential to my browsing habits.

any ideas?

Re:Wishlist: Slashdot (3, Informative)

S4t0r1 (766443) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333418)

Slashdot rendering bug was fixed too late for firefox 1.0. It's going to be in version 1.1 (march) or if you cant wait download a nightly ( here http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nig htly/ )

Re:Wishlist: Slashdot (1)

RWerp (798951) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333507)

MY mozilla renders slashdot properly. At least what I see seems "proper" to me.

It's also the HTML (3, Informative)

SamMichaels (213605) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333578)

Slashdot won't let you validate it...so I had to save a copy and validate it:
File: slashdot.html
Encoding: utf-8
Doctype: HTML 3.2
Errors: 60
With a community full of nerds, you'd think SOMEONE would make an XHTML 1/CSS 2 version...that is, unless slashcode is such a mess that it's nearly impossible to make the changes.

Firefox never worked for me... (4, Interesting)

Bloodlent (797259) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333323)

So I always used Moz. Personally I think the best change for Moz would be to make it less bloated, and make it totally modular. Basically make it so you can strip away most of the program and turn it into something closely resembling Firefox if you so choose.

Re:Firefox never worked for me... (2, Informative)

AC-x (735297) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333367)

I thought that this was the whole point of FireFox? Is there actually anything you can do in Mozilla that can't be done in FireFox?

Re:Firefox never worked for me... (1)

rmccann (792082) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333382)

My thoughts exactly. Could you even create a stripped down version of Mozilla and make it not Firefox? If there are some features you wanted in new Mozlite, why not just add them to Firefox?

Re:Firefox never worked for me... (2, Insightful)

hool5400 (257022) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333373)

I was never excited about Firefox (or whatever it was called at the time) because it looked like if took away all my power settings and generally dumbed things down. Then I found out about 'about:config', and haven't loaded mozilla since.

I think it's time for all the mozilla people to just accept the inevitable and focus their development effort on Firefox.

Re:Firefox never worked for me... (3, Informative)

Mornelithe (83633) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333395)

Mozilla can be compiled without a lot of frills. For example, on Gentoo, there are Mozilla flags as follows:


mozcalendar : Enable mozilla calendar extension, http://mozilla.org/projects/calendar/
moznoirc : Disable building of mozilla's IRC client
moznomail : Disable building mozilla's mail client
moznocompose : Disable building of mozilla's web page composer
moznomail : Disable building mozilla's mail client
mozxmlterm : Enable mozilla's XML-based command-line terminal


There may be some I missed. In other words, you can install Mozilla with just the browser. However, you have to compile it for yourself if you want that.

Re:Firefox never worked for me... (1)

KingOfBLASH (620432) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333405)

Wasn't that the point of the firefox project?

Re:Firefox never worked for me... (1)

beerygaz (222194) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333511)

This isn't a troll. Can someone actually articulate the difference between Mozilla and Firefox (from a browser perspective that is) I know Moz has all of the mail reader and composer built in, but from a pure browser point of view, what are the fundamental differences?

Re:Firefox never worked for me... (1)

mule007 (767116) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333563)

The biggest difference for me is having the search in the same text box as the URL. The fact that firefox has its input for google in a separate text box has essential made it complete and utterly useless to me. I just like to hit ctrl-t, type what I want to search for, and go... no mouse action required.

With everything other than the basic browser stripped away in my compile, mozilla runs about as fast as firefox anyways :)

Friends don't let friends use Internet Explorer... (1)

camcloud1 (758094) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333324)

Ever. Bring on Mozilla 2.0

Re:Friends don't let friends use Internet Explorer (1)

Monte (48723) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333530)

For Windows update at least you have to hold your nose and run IE. If there's a way to do WinUpdate under Mozilla or Firefox I don't know it.

FWIW I started with Mozilla a couple years ago (gad, it was a HUGE improvement over IE), and switched to Firefox a few months ago. Firefox is enough for me.

Use of Moz (4, Informative)

StevenHenderson (806391) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333326)

Personally, I use Mozilla a lot less now that I have a Gmail account. With having a web-based e-mail service, I really have little use for a bundled email client.

Plus, Firefox seems quicker and more stable to me since I have been using both.

Re:Use of Moz (1)

Frogbert (589961) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333370)

How about support for Gmail accounts in the mail program? Like outlook can handle hotmail accounts. That would be totally sweet.

They could even draw ideas from Gmails conversations in the way they display mail.

Re:Use of Moz (2, Informative)

space_dude_27 (838047) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333383)

erm, I thought it could... I'm having no trouble using Thunderbird to get mails from pop.gmail.com anyway. Would be nice to see Mozilla Mail and/or Thunderbird do the GMail conversations thing though :-)

Re:Use of Moz (1)

tehshen (794722) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333553)

Both Mozilla [google.com] and Thunderbird [google.com] can import your Gmail messages. Its 'conversation'-type messages don't import so well (you get a lot of messages from yourself in the Inbox) so it takes a bit of clearing up afterwards, though.

Mirrordot to the rescue (1)

numb (241932) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333327)

Re:Mirrordot to the rescue (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11333360)

that is absolutely useless...

Re:Mirrordot to the rescue - Useless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11333413)

Don't bother clicking, there's nothing to see there...
Don't bother modding him up either, he didn't even check that there was anything worth seeing, just blindly copy and pasted the links in a pathetic attempt at karma.

Maybe... (5, Funny)

Doolspin (844298) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333329)

Mozilla and Firefox will merge into one super borwser....MoFox... or perhaps FireZilla

Re:Maybe... (1)

cheezemonkhai (638797) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333362)

The Mac Version being MoFo X

Re:Maybe... (1)

dabigpaybackski (772131) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333400)

I want a final battle royale between the Monster Browsers, Mozilla and The Explorah! Tokyo be damned!

Re:Maybe... (5, Funny)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333411)

Mozilla and Firefox will merge into one super borwser....MoFox... or perhaps FireZilla

Maybe they'll rename Firefox one more time and then merge it with Mozilla to produce

Godzilla

Sorry.

Re:Maybe... (1)

Reducer2001 (197985) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333523)

Shouldn't that be 'Gojira'?

Re:Maybe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11333555)

I think it will be a merge of Firefox and Thunderbird. They could call it "Thunderfox" or maybe "Internet Navigator"

They've decided to call that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11333576)

GNU/Linux.

I don't know where they got the names, but they're very proud of its inventiveness, and the way that it represents the two (Mozilla, Firefox) components that will be involved.

Magnifying (4, Interesting)

Szentigrade (790685) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333332)

I would like to see something like what opera has with web page magnification. Its on firefox too but you cant make images any bigger then they already are like you can with opera. But i still like FF better.

Re:Magnifying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11333363)

you can make images bigger with the right extension

Re:Magnifying (1)

Szentigrade (790685) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333397)

Yes, but you dont need to get an extension for opera its built in. Plus, im sure you could get anything you wanted with the right extension....

Re:Magnifying (1)

RWerp (798951) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333522)

What's the point in magnifying raster images? Do you expect to see more details?

Re:Magnifying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11333565)

Not at all.. (2, Insightful)

Dynamoo (527749) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333333)

Firefox hasn't affected my use of Mozilla at all. I guess that most/many Mozilla users had been using it for a while before Firefox came out and see no reason to change.

I'm very happy to recommend Firefox for IE users though - Mozilla's Netscape-style interface can be a bit confusing if you haven't seen them before.

Re:Not at all.. (1)

Lonewolf666 (259450) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333387)

Firefox hasn't affected my use of Mozilla at all. I guess that most/many Mozilla users had been using it for a while before Firefox came out and see no reason to change.

Similar here:
I might prefer Firebird/Thunderbird on a new installation, but my computer at home is still running fine with the big Mozilla suite and i'm simply too lazy to change.
"My" computer in the office, however, runs Firefox.

Please.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11333342)

As a clueless l/user ... I vote that the developers fix all the current "bugs".

What a novel idea, eh?

And thanks for all the work that everyone has done to make it happen to this point.

Mozilla is still around? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11333351)

It's totally downplayed on the mozilla.org website. I began using Firefox & Thunderbird a week or two ago just to see what it was like...and come to think of it, I haven't used Mozilla since then.

Cheers,

Wait till FireFox... (2, Interesting)

AC-x (735297) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333355)

I don't know what these new features are (not even the google cache of the page is loading) but I'll certainly be waiting for these features to make it into FireFox rather then change to Mozilla temporarily.

Of course depending on what the features were I'd probably install Mozilla to see if they cause any issues with the web design work I do.

Wish? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11333359)

I wish for mozilla 2 to be integrated with my desktop... come on, that's the one killer feature in windows!

Re:Wish? (1)

tuggy (694581) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333468)

come on, that's the one killer feature in windows!

more "killer" than you think ;-)

Keep Google in the box (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11333361)

What about keeping the Google search functionality at the bottom of the address drop-down box?!

FWIW, I find it more usefull than the approach Firefox has taken, which created a seperate, generic, search box...

build in page validator. (4, Interesting)

AeiwiMaster (20560) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333366)

I would like to see a build in page validator.

There is a lot of badly coded web pages out there.

It might take a rewrite of gecko by I think it is wroth it.

The normal web based validators really don't cut it
when your developing dynamic cgi scripts.

Re:build in page validator. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11333394)

is this best built into the browser??? or beter as a plug in.

I think if there needs to be stubs for a plugin in gecko then that would be good to be included, but I think it would be better to manage a validator in an plugin.

Re:build in page validator. (1)

topher1kenobe (2041) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333562)

A spell cheker would be nice too. Very wroth it.

Faster (1)

Butthold (670362) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333368)

Make the rendering engine faster. And maybe an option to render according to IE's html standard? I don't care if it's non-standard.

Re:Faster (2, Interesting)

AC-x (735297) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333375)

> IE's html standard

Bad idea, then bad poorly written web pages will never get fixed!

Re:Faster (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11333402)

netscape 8 beta does this, it has the gecko and mshtml engines in and can toggle between them as needed. also you can specify certain sites to automatically use a certain engine, such as windowsupdate.com to use mshtml.

Re:Faster (1)

Ized (764731) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333412)

They've done some work with Gecko engine and will apparently include these changes in Firefox 1.1 - these changes will affect the rendering speed somewhat (alltough I think it's fast allready).

Sorry dude, there is no such thing as IE's html standard. So if your new question is "please implement IE rendering bugs in Mozilla/Firefox", I would guess the answer is simple and joyfull - no :D.

A feature I'd like to see... (3, Interesting)

ChrisK077 (667911) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333374)

A kick-ass feature I'd like to see in Mozilla and Firefox would be to automatically break up long words/numers/urls at the edge of the screen.

Since I have a TFT with 1280x1024 resolution, I often increase font sizes when browsing the web to reduce eye strain, but that often causes horizontal scroll bars to appear when long words or urls are in the text, making it much less convenient to read, e.g. in those ubiquitous phpBB based forums.

How Firefox have changed my use of Mozilla (2, Interesting)

akaiONE (467100) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333384)

..to the better.
Since Firefox 1.0 came out I have used the Mozilla suite for email and Internet-browsing at work while I still stick with Opera at home. Firefox is there on both locations and are used from time to time. What Firefox did do when it came along was make it clear to me that Mozilla had improved over the years and no longer required me to have a heap of other browsers installed for visiting particular webpages with picky code. So, you may say that Firefox made Mozilla shine in it's own true light.

Re:How Firefox have changed my use of Mozilla (1)

paran0rmal (799476) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333427)

Since Firefox 1.0, I've stopped using Mozilla and started using Thunderbird for mail. I've also stopped using IE altogether on my windows box. Mozilla did not render some of the stuff I work on correctly - and yes, because it's not w3c compliant let's not go there.

Killer improvement (1)

Simsypoo (619319) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333407)

Integrate it so tightly with Windows, so no one can get rid of it. No userbase shrinkage!!

add this feature (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11333408)

add an, empty cache when browser is closed...

i like the cookies features, to delete cookies when browser is closed, and accept from origionating website only are all great cookie features...

A Manual (5, Interesting)

obender (546976) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333410)

I know it does not sound like much but I think a manual is what Mozilla really needs. Many users that switch from IE get to use Mozilla/Firefox the same way they used IE and not more. And there's much more to Mozilla than just tab browsing.

I still remember the day when I tried running two separate instances of Mozilla on the same Windows machine. Neither Google nor the forums helped. Luckily I can still read C++.

Open source should mean you can look into the source if you want to, not that you have to look into the source every time you try something non trivial.

Firefox & Thunderbird (1)

Neo-Rio-101 (700494) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333415)

Personally I don't use Mozilla anymore.

At work where I have to use Windows, I just stick to Firefox and Thunderbird.

When most of the beginner oriented Desktop Linux distros include both of these proggies in them by default... the Linux desktop will move further forward.

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Nothing changed for me ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11333426)

as a Konqueror user :) although i have recomended it to a Windows-User and he SWITCHED from the Internet-Exploder!

I don't use Mozilla at all (0, Troll)

sirshannon (616247) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333431)

I haven't touched Mozilla in over a year now. Everything I want in a browser is in Firefox, I don't see any reason to use Mozilla.

What am I missing?

Firefox vs Mozilla (1)

shreevatsa (845645) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333432)

Firefox certainly seems to be a better browser than Mozilla. However, I've been unable to get the Java Plugin to install properly on Firefox, so I use firefox for all websites except Topcoder, for which I use Mozilla.
The only wish I have for future versions of Firefox is something the latest version of netscape already has -- an option to display pages as they would appear in IE. Even some of the major sites have "features" that render properly only in ^@##^%$# IE -- including Yahoo's Rich Text editing/HTML compose features. So my wish is either that, or better, every site on earth conform to standards so that it can be viewed with every browser.

Wishlist for Moz 2 (0)

dosius (230542) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333434)

Wishlist for Moz 2: Replace with Firefox et al.

Moll.

Firefox killed off IE, where Mozilla couldn't (2, Insightful)

bw5353 (775333) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333436)

I used different cybercafes around China the last few months, and they had very different ways of "protecting" my security in IE. Many of them had applied a Windows security mechanism that made it difficult or completely impossible to delete your own cookies.

My solution was to download nifty little Firefox with IE. No matter how mad the sys admins were, one could always delete history, cache and cookies with Firefox after each session. (Except at Shanghai City Library, where Firefox wouldn't even install.)

With a large bundle like Mozilla, I could never have downloaded it fast enough to have the patience to wait for it. Size matters.

Re:Firefox killed off IE, where Mozilla couldn't (1)

Neo-Rio-101 (700494) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333532)

Seriously, do they actually employ the sysadmin to go thorugh all your cookies to find out what you've been up to online?

Sheesh, I barely have enough time to go through the web proxy log at my place of work to find out where all the good pr0n sites are that everyone's found!

No more mozilla for me. (1)

lennart78 (515598) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333439)

Since Firefox has been decently stable, i've been using it for browsing. I see no need for an 'integrated browser suite'. After a recent HD-crash which lost me all my locally stored mail, I'm only using web-based email (hooray for gmail!). No more POP-clients on my PC. TML-editors suck ass on general principle, and I have no use for an IRC-client.

If I were the mozilla foundation, I'd settle for the standalone products. This will get them better brand recognition, and focussing of their coding efforts. But that's just my 2c.

Re:No more mozilla for me. (1)

XchristX (839963) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333506)

U cud use IMAP in Thunderbird (provided ur mail server's running the IMAP server prog) & not bother abt losing ue emails to a crash! It's what I do.

Firefox use (1)

ThurstonMoore (605470) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333441)

I have quit using Mozilla since Firefox 1.0 came out, but one thing I do not like about Firefox is how it fills in forms. In Mozilla I could set it up to only fill in certain forms, (ie name, address, phone and so on) but in Firefox it is all or nothing, and I hate having my search history remembered, so I have totally quit using a feature that I used very often in Mozilla.

My picks (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11333442)

  • SVG support.
  • Make it easier to disable flash temporarily so I can turn it off on those sites that abuse it.
  • Make a better interface for managing plug-ins and extensions. Let me enable/disable them and check for updates for them.
  • Change Mozilla 2.0 to basically be Firefox+Thunderbird sharing the same rendering engine (for reduced memory usage if you use both).
  • Improve the download manager. Show the date/time something was downloaded, and let me sort by that field. That way the download manager becomes a download history as well. Allow plugins to use new download methods that integrate with the download manager (eg Rsync, BitTorrent)
  • Jpeg2000 support.
  • I like to browse with text size increased. But every time I open a new tab or window, I have to re-increase the text size. So let me set an option so the text size is always 125% or 150% of normal, unless I reduce it. And no, changing font sizes in options does not do the same thing.
  • When increasing or decreasing text size, my place in the current web page is lost. I have to scroll around to find where I was. Make changing text size preserve my current place on the page.
  • Remember what tabs I was reading (and my place in those tabs) so if Mozilla crashes or I close it, I can go back to where I was instantly.
  • Ship with more themes and a few of the more popular extensions already installed.
  • Add an HTML verifier to Mozilla. Let me choose an option from the menu, and Mozilla will verify the HTML of the page I'm viewing.
  • Do a thorough security audit. Mozilla is gaining in popularity, and security bugs are starting to be more common. All new patches should be reviewed by a group of security-minded folk.
  • Produce more and better documentation and examples for XUL. Try to get more people writing extensions.
  • Port Mozilla to the last great platform it doesn't yet run on: Emacs.

Gecko Rendering Engine (5, Interesting)

lwells-au (548448) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333446)

Though its not directly related to the Mozilla Suite (sorry, I tried to RTFA, but its down) my biggest wish is to see the Gecko Rendering Engine (GRE) finally split from the Mozilla/Firefox/et al code base. This seems to have completely dropped off the road map despite being discussed for months (years?).

The idea of running the GRE as a service (started at boot) and then simply launching the frontends for the various Mozilla apps (in my case, Firefox and possibly Thunderbird) appeals to me immensely.

I value "snapiness" greatly when it comes to my web browser and email apps. Having to run multiple instances of the same rendering engine is a bit of a downer IMHO. (Yes, I realise there are some benefits. Yes, I realise we all tend to have ample computing power.)

Re:Gecko Rendering Engine (2, Informative)

richwklein (767820) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333550)

Those plans have morphed somewhat, but are in fact still a live. They are now called libxul or xulrunner, and I believe are part of the Mozilla 2.0 plan.

Slashdotted (0, Redundant)

max909 (619312) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333447)

Already slashdotted :(

0goat (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11333466)

Mozilla who? (1, Interesting)

realkiwi (23584) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333470)

Since Firefox 1.0 I have been busy wiping Mozilla from the machines that I administer. Macs get to keep Safari as second browser. I used Mozilla since the 0.96 beta as browser and most of the time as mail client too.

Now I am a Firefox and Evolution person.

www.bbcurdu.com (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11333474)

There is a very good site in Urdu @ www.bbcuru.com. It uses a font that properly renders in IE but only readable in Mozilla/Firefox. I would definately like to see this thing fixed.
There are quite a few friends of mine that say, "Nah, Firefox/Mozilla can not render www.bbc.co.uk/urdu or www.bbcurud.com properly, if it does, we will start using it".

So, I would like to see it. :)

Re:www.bbcurdu.com (1)

XchristX (839963) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333542)

Well, I can't read Urdu much, but I'm using Firefox now & it looks fine to me! All the semitic scripts seem to be rendering properly, even Hebrew! (http://www.qsm.co.il/Hebrew/hebrew.htm). It does not render Indic fonts well, but Indic fonts & locales are so poorly developed (not much demand for 'em) that I can't say I blame Firefox!

Movemail support (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333514)

Heck, Netscape 4 had it, and it's basically the standard Unix way to read local mail.

Still use mozilla (2, Interesting)

SteveXE (641833) | more than 9 years ago | (#11333545)

I've been using Mozilla for about a year now, I've used FireFox and I dont really see a reason to change, Mozilla has the plugins i use and they work without any problems and its just as fast if you ask me. I dont use the email client...but i dont install it either so bloat isnt really a problem.

A Gecko Framework (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11333561)

Why do I have to run 2 Gecko engines one for FF and one for TB, couldn't they share a system wide version?

Like the JRE and Java applications or something.

Could XULRunner be repurposed for this?

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