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Windows XP Starter Edition Review

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the shill-game dept.

Windows 430

Digitalommm writes "Paul Thurrott has a story on the latest developments on Windows XP Starter Edition. There are some very good points that the Linux community could adopt. An example is end-user training videos such as how to use a mouse." This is an optimistic, even glowing look at the Starter Edition, which even for Thurrot was not available for unsupervised use, only demonstrated by Microsoft for him. (For using-a-mouse videos, I would suggest also Roblimo's book Point and Click Linux .)

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This is perfect (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336414)

For the new headless $498 Dell mini.

Re:This is perfect (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336637)

I like Windows XP Home Edition.

It is the most powerful operating-system for Pee Cees. It looks not as gay as Mac OS X by Steve B10 Jobs and has 1,0000,0000 times more softwares that the Linus-operating-system.

Plus, it comes with every Pee Cee for free. People who have grown acusstomt to paying RatHat 699 $$$ or more can hardly beleive this when I consult them with my proffesional Internet- and Network-Service-Center and Security-Assesment-Bureau.

I always tell them:
"Windows XP Home Edition is all you can empower to leverage the outcome-bottomlime of your stickholder ... plus even more!"

My customers usually are like: "OMG!"

You should really try it one day; it has a very nice light-reddish color theme to hit your tastes.

Thank you!

Re:This is perfect (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336771)

I usually say "Windows XP EMBIGGENS you and your cromulent collegues."

Anyway - Thurrott is a Bill Gates-pillow-biter.

xp (-1, Offtopic)

dopplerlinux (789158) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336416)

crazy

Re:xp (0, Offtopic)

nadadogg (652178) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336632)

That was a pretty shitty attempt at a first post, you gotta have lots of random replies typed up and ready to go in notepad or vi/emacs/whatever.

ps XP is pretty good stuff and not crazy like ME I mean man oh man.

Yum yum (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336418)

frosty piss

How I use mouse? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336419)

Why you throw chip?

Re:How I use mouse? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336468)

Fuck off, tasty.

Nothing to see here (5, Funny)

Prince Vegeta SSJ4 (718736) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336421)

Please let me know when the come out with Windows XP FINISHED edition, so maybe we have a chance at something better

Re:Nothing to see here (2, Funny)

Kenja (541830) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336643)

"Please let me know when the come out with Windows XP FINISHED edition, so maybe we have a chance at something better"

But I cant read Finish, why would I want a Finished OS?

Re:Nothing to see here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336718)

Not all that surprising since you can't spell Finnish either.

Re:Nothing to see here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336683)

that is clever. i bet you get blowjobs like there's no tomorrow.

Fristage Postage HOWTO (1)

repruhsent (672799) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336422)

How to get a Fristage Postage on Slushgut:
1. Wait for stupid headline about the new slushgut story;
2. Masturbate continually to taco snotting photos;
3. Click READ MORE;
4. Click REPLY;
5. Enjoy firstage postage!

Re:Fristage Postage HOWTO (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336528)

6. ???
7. Profit!

Using a mouse. (3, Funny)

Antonymous Flower (848759) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336435)

1. Position yourself under see through stairway.
2. Wait for skirt wearing executive.
3. Release mouse.
4. Peek-a-boo!

Re:Using a mouse. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336583)

Remeber, this is slashdot.

1. Position yourself under see through stairway.
2. Wait for skirt wearing executive.
3. Release mouse.
4. Peek-a-boo!
5. ???
6. Profit!

Re:Using a mouse. (1)

Basehart (633304) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336599)

Why would you want to look up a guys skirt?

Re:Using a mouse. (2, Funny)

psicic (171000) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336618)

3. Release Mouse

Is that a euphemism?

(Which brings us on to what exactly you mean in point 4 when you say 'Peek-a-boo'!!)

My review (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336446)

My review of Windows XP Starter Edition. It's fun, fun, fun! The colors, they are beautiful! Fun and games, wow! Take care, bye!

Re: can run just three applications simultaneously (1)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336742)

One of the big criticisms about XP Starter Edition is that it can run just three applications simultaneously, so I was curious to see what it would do if you attempted to launch more than three. In this case, the system displays a notification window telling you that you can only run three applications. The notification roughly reads as, "With Windows XP Starter Edition, you can run three programs at a time. To open a new program, please save your work, close one open application, and open the new application again."

When I recall users who crashed a system by having 100+ copies of solitaire open, because they never closed a finished game, this makes sense. If they they tied the number into the system capacity, such as ram, etc. then it might even be useful for the US market.

1st (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336451)

1st

To compete with it (0)

KevinXWang (745864) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336452)

A new Linux Terminator edition is announced.

Mouse Training? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336456)

"how to use a mouse."

Do you need to double click ton the video to watch it? If so, the video would probably say "well done".

Re:Mouse Training? (2, Funny)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336527)

Yeah, well, the first VCR I bought (a Sony) came with an videocassette titled "How to set up and enjoy your new VCR!"

We (my company) bought a CD-burner back when they were an expensive novelty. It had an external SCSI interface, and was single-speed, and the drivers that came with it were on.... You guessed it, CD.

What're ya gonna do about it, nothing thats what.

Good Job Timothy (-1, Troll)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336458)

For viewing videos, you recommend a book.

You probably recommend a knife at a gunfight, screen doors on submarines, and drinking your coffee from a spaghetti strainer.

Damn, but you're an idiot. You just can't get over the fact that someone likes what MSFT has done with this OS.

Why can we never discuss TECHNOLOGY anymore? I'm sick of moronic discussions and flamebait OSS philosopy vs Apple philosophy vs MS philosophy.

Anyone have anything to say about the technical merits, or lack thereof of XP Starter Edition?

Re:Good Job Timothy (3, Insightful)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336541)

The problem is Microsoft [like many companies in the software biz] doesn't promote many technical merits behind their software. They're more about "mind-share" than "tech-share".

But afterall, that's what a good business does. Only look short-term how to make the most amount of money.

Personally I hate windows not because I'm a l33t linux user. Or that it's cool to hate Windows. I hate Windows because it's fucking annoying. No developement tools, one desktop, totally exploited every 8 seconds, the kernel isn't that stable, you can't restart the desktop without rebooting, etc....

Rarely if ever do I have to cold-reboot my linux box. Usually restarting X will fix any problems [which also happens rarely] with the desktop.

That and I can hack the kernel if I want [which I have had todo once when cpufreqd was a bit whiny about my buggy bios having 2 PST entries]. Can't do that in Windows...

Tom

Re:Good Job Timothy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336735)

What happens when you termniate and manually restart the explorer.exe process from the task manager?

Maybe that isn't what you're looking for. Why would you need to hack the NT Kernel in windows? If your computer is being exploited so often then maybe the problem isn't so much your computer.

I run Windows XP pro and I can't remember the last time it crashed. Every piece of hardware I've plugged into it has worked right out of the box with no problems(Linux doesn't like my WLAN card).

Re:Good Job Timothy (1)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336567)

Anyone have anything to say about the technical merits, or lack thereof of XP Starter Edition?

Considering that no one has been allowed to play with it yet, and most Slashdotters would not want to waste their money buying crippled MS software, I'm not sure that we will now, or anytime in the near future, be able to have a meaningful discussion about the technical merits of XP starter edition. Please return to your regularly scheduled squabbling.

Re:Good Job Timothy (1)

Bzap (597713) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336598)

Usually I'd more than agree with you, but alas.. quote from the book review; "Roblimo's new book Point and Click Linux really consists of three things: the book itself, an included copy on CD of the Debian-based SimplyMepis Linux distribution, and a DVD featuring Roblimo's multi-part narrated video guide for getting started with Linux, Mepis and KDE."

Re:Good Job Timothy (1)

hunterx11 (778171) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336603)

No, I'd rather flamebait.

Like pointing out that Apple used to include little games aimed at teaching you the interface, instead of videos. :-)

Re:Good Job Timothy (1)

aichpvee (631243) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336634)

It's really too bad I don't have mod points, since you certainly deserve the +flamebait/troll. But how is it a discussion about anything except that guy who wrote the article and microsoft being morons? Unless the "how to use a mouse" video plays automatically when the computer starts up there really is no point in it, since you would have to use the mouse to view it (even if it were a popup window like you get the first time starting xp).

So in this case a book is definitely a better solution since even a moron knows how to use a book, though they might need pictures to understand it, it just wouldn't be a video. Which was sort of implied that everyone understands that a book and a video are not the same thing in the original post.

From now on I think you should steer quite wide of any discussion involving "technical merits" since you obviously don't understand anything technical or of merit. Thanks for playing though.

Re:Good Job Timothy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336689)

Also, if you (grandparent or parent) had bothered reading the link you would have noticed that the book includes "a DVD featuring Roblimo's multi-part narrated video guide for getting started with Linux, Mepis and KDE."

Re:Good Job Timothy (2, Informative)

elleomea (749084) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336684)

"For viewing videos, you recommend a book." The book includes a DVD with training videos on.

Re:Good Job Timothy (1)

dmaxwell (43234) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336774)

Why can we never discuss TECHNOLOGY anymore? I'm sick of moronic discussions and flamebait OSS philosopy vs Apple philosophy vs MS philosophy.

Since when did that EVER happen. I got started on BBSes in the mid-eighties and back then it was all ST vs. Amiga, Atari 8-bit vs. Commodore, TI vs everybody, oh and Intellivision Basketball is MUCH more like REAL basketball. Don't you think?

I suppose much the same thing went on among sysadmin flamewarriors on Usenet.

Review, my arse (5, Insightful)

gowen (141411) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336461)

Thurrot was not available for unsupervised use, only demonstrated by Microsoft for him
Sorry, but in my book that doesn't qualify him to write a "review", or anything like it. The word that should be used is "glorified adverts". People who write reviews must be allowed to experience what they're reviewing, and form critical opinions from that.

Re:Review, my arse (4, Insightful)

wankledot (712148) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336727)

The word that should be used is "glorified adverts"

Which is exactly what everything Paul writes can be described as. He's a shill, pure and simple.

Mouse Usage 101 (5, Funny)

CaptainBaz (621098) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336464)

Click here to find out how to use a mouse!

What? Eh? Oh.

Re:Mouse Usage 101 (3, Interesting)

Apreche (239272) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336600)

This is actually pretty scary and shows some insight on Microsoft's part. I setup my grandparents with a new PC like so [apreche.net] . It doesn't get any easier than that. I even set it to one-click instead of double click. I figure all I had to teach them was how to use Firefox, Thunderbird and gaim. And if they ever needed the rest they could figure it out. But apparently they didn't know how to use the mouse. it was quite frightening. If I'm ever so old I can't learn new things as easily as I can now, shoot me.

Re:Mouse Usage 101 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336635)

I use emacs as my OS you incensitive clod.

Re:Mouse Usage 101 (1)

arturov (447349) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336692)

Anybody remember the windows tutorial in Windows 3.1? Quite a bit of that was commited to teaching the user to use the mouse (right-click contextual menu stuff, click and drag, etc.). This really isn't anything new, but seeing how many people don't seem to realize that a mouse has more than one button, these lessons will never be obsolete. Looking at how unintuitive multi-button mice are, I think the one-button mouse is one thing that Apple got right.

The masses (1)

DrinkingIllini (842502) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336466)

This is actually be perfect for the great unwashed masses. Then they won't have to call in to my helpdesk and complain that "the internet is broken" and that they're using "Windows XL 7.0".

Re:The masses (1)

sxtxixtxcxh (757736) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336563)

be glad you don't work as a mechanic with people asking why their jaguar xp always crashes.

Re:The masses (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336737)

This Ubermensch mentality that is so prevalent here.. is it some sort of "revenge of the geeks" thing? Getting back for being laughed at in school or something?

I've always wondered if people that can other things than computers do just the same. - And they can't fix the car if their lives depended on it, f.. morons, and don't understand the most basic things about it's workings, can you believe how stupid and incompetent it is possible to be, shouldn't be allowed within ten feet of a car. Or something.

Anybody who got a life and friends know? :)

This could be dangerous! (5, Insightful)

TildeMan (472701) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336467)

Yes, admittedly some people need to learn the most basic of skills, such as how to use a mouse. But the people at this basic level should not then be expected to know how to keep their computer completely up-to-date and patched, or even why that's important! Given how many problems have come out of MSIE recently and how most new users primarily want to use this magical 'internet' thing, this is a huge risk.

There's really nothing more reliable for support than having a friend who knows what he/she is doing anyway.

Re:This could be dangerous! (2, Insightful)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336570)

Do you reckon thats why windows update and security center is configured to do this sort of thing automatically for the user now? And what exactly is this huge risk you are talking about? Does the world end if more than 2 million computer illiterates access the internet or something? Try being a little less patronising.

Re:This could be dangerous! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336575)

I learned how to use a mouse when I was 7 years old, I learned it by myself: the ball under the plastic thing is rolling and modifies the position of the arrow on the screen. I think that if you REALLY need to learn how to use a mouse, you don't need a computer at all, you just want to buy one because everybody else do it...

There is something funny about this: in real life, if you want to learn something, you try it, experiment with it and learn. Why would computers be any different?

Re:This could be dangerous! (1)

ilyagordon (822695) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336690)

Yeah, it's too great a risk to allow someone whose daddy didn't buy him a computer at an early age to be welcomed into the modern world! They will end up killing us all with their Comet Cursors!!!

Re:This could be dangerous! (2, Funny)

nolife (233813) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336767)

What about a version of Bob for XP?

Nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336479)

I wish the standard XP would be stripped down, as it is now I build custom CD's that bring the default installtion down under 160Mb when installed.

Mouse? (1)

tyman (831421) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336481)

What's this "mouse" thing you're talking about?

For the "using a mouse tutorial"... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336482)

...think about clicking on this icon.

I'm sorry... (3, Funny)

Anita Coney (648748) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336486)

... but wouldn't you have to already know how to use a mouse BEFORE playing those videos?!

Re:I'm sorry... (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336565)

which blows my mind.

Why the hell has touchscreen not become commonplace?

a "click here" is confusingto someone that does not know. a "touch here" makes perfect sense.

right now with touchscreens being rare they are cheap ($100-$200 range + monitor) in mass production they would be nearly as cheap as a decent mouse.

and overnight would make newbie computing better in every single way.

Mice suck, touchscreen is the way to go.

Re:I'm sorry... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336675)

Mainly because they suck to use. A well-configured mouse requires a very small range of motion (2-3"), and allows the arm to be mostly at rest up to the wrist. A touchscreen requires that you wave your whole arm around across a 16"-ish space, not to mention that you block the screen while doing it.

Seriously, it takes about 30 seconds to learn to use a mouse, at which point it's superior to a touchscreen in every way.

Re:I'm sorry... (1)

Anita Coney (648748) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336681)

Yeah, I have a little 7" touchscreen on my stairmaster, connected to a computer. It's really handy. And my kids (2 and 3) are always wanting to touch the screen on my wife's computer when playing their games.

A touch screen would be the perfect interface for a newbie.

Re:I'm sorry... (5, Informative)

magefile (776388) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336716)

Why aren't touchscreens commonplace? Google for "gorilla arm syndrome" sometime.

How to use a mouse...In Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336488)

There are some very good points that the Linux community could adopt. An example is end-user training videos such as how to use a mouse."

I would suggest a training video in how to use CAT for linux users, that could really solve mouse problems.

computers + old age. (2, Insightful)

KingPunk (800195) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336493)

my grandfather is nearly 70 yrs old.
i built him a computer to check his email with and run a small webserver with the "family dot com" as he says.
..and all i got to say is, he needed absloutely no instruction on how to use a mouse, computer
or anything else... sure, he fumbled with XP for a little bit. since then i've brought him to linux though. ;)
but everybody takes time to adjust to the os for a little while.

..how to use a mouse, ..i've heard it all now.


also note, every community college, and adult-education center, and public library i can think of in every place i've lived,
offers FREE, yes.. FREE basic computer instruction for those who actually have lived a sheltered life
and have never seen/used a mouse before.
(and of course i have taken into consideration those who do live in extreemly rual or remote areas,
in which they may need a 'howto' on how to operate a pc.
but don't most investigate how to use one, BEFORE they buy one?)

training video?? (4, Interesting)

jxyama (821091) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336500)

please. giving credit for a training video on how to use a mouse is a bit off the mark. learning to use a mouse is beyond using windows or linux. it's basic computing.

for the price/time involved with making/watching such a video, why not provide a fool-proof "play/experiment area" mode of the OS where you can do any mouse movement/clicking and it won't permanently affect the computer system at all? of course, it will still let you drag, click, open, etc. but it won't permanently alter the files, system, etc.

afterall, the best way to learn to use the mouse is to actually use it, not watch a video. this way, a novice user can play with the mouse to heart's content without fearing "oops, the system is no good because i moved something" kind of a situation.

do food processor companies deserve the credit for providing a video on how to plug in the power plug?

Re:training video?? (1)

nkh (750837) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336679)

Off-topic but when I hear the word "basic-computing", it reminds me of something I do when someone asks me to teach basic-computing to their kid: I grab my copy of The Art of Computer Programming and say "Look, this is basic-computing", and in the end, you understand that little johnny doesn't really want a computer, he just needed a PS2 or a GameCube.

Re:training video?? (2, Interesting)

capt.Hij (318203) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336728)

Way back when... I had a PHB who was just learning how to use a workstation and had not used a mouse before. He was actually a very bright guy, and he taught himself how to use the machine. One day we were watching him and one of us said, "You know if you turn the mouse around and use it the other way it is a bit more intuitive." He turned the mouse around and was quite happy with the results.

Moral of the story: Don't assume that people can just play with something and get it correct. People have an enormous capacity to compensate for their own ignorance.

Re:training video?? (1)

sordid_mammal (806249) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336736)

they have that. its called solitaire.

Re:training video?? (1)

SquadBoy (167263) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336760)

Kind of like my Mac back in 1984 did.

The answer is if you can get Linux installed you don't need this and MS could give a shit about UI issues (yes I think Windows is shite from a UI perspective and yes I think Linux with Openbox+BASH is teh win you won't change my mind so don't even bohter trying) so they won't spend the minimal dollars needed to make this happen. Now I haven't touched a Mac in any serious way since 1990 do they still have this?

The real XP Starter Edition... (2, Interesting)

Eric Giguere (42863) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336507)

Put a copy of Puppy [goosee.com] on a USB flash drive and have it put up the Blue Screen of Death on bootup. Share the key with your friends.

Eric
How to detect Internet Explorer [ericgiguere.com]

P.S.: Interesting experiment: put a Linux system on a key like this with a Windows-like desktop scheme, boot someone's PC with it when they're not looking, and see if they can tell if there's any difference.

Too Dumbed Down (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336509)

There are some very good points that the Linux community could adopt. An example is end-user training videos such as how to use a mouse.
I doubt this would be a good use of time and effort. It's like training people to open the door on a car with manual transmission when they have no idea how to drive a stick. Maybe first we should get automatic transmission working, then we can worry about the people who can't open doors.

Ideas? (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336511)

There are some very good points that the Linux community could adopt. An example is end-user training videos such as how to use a mouse."

A fellow I worked with once was sacked for something along the lines of 'to be an actual thinking person [you should be able to use a mouse.]' Seriously, it seems harsh, but rudimentary training isn't exactly a new idea. You can lead an end user to a manual/help file/training video, but you'll see them reach for that phone in a blink.

Besides, this starter editiion is to address piracy, isn't it?

Re:Ideas? (1)

KingPunk (800195) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336571)

Besides, this starter editiion is to address piracy, isn't it?

haha, yes it is mostly. and i must say, if they're off pirating stuff, im almost certian they know how to use a mouse aswell ;)

Re:Ideas? (1)

topham (32406) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336647)

Starter Edition will be the least pirated version of Windows ever.

Obviously this means it will be a "success".

Re:Ideas? (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336660)

haha, yes it is mostly. and i must say, if they're off pirating stuff, im almost certian they know how to use a mouse aswell ;)

It's only a matter of time until it's all being pirated, including training materials. Linux/OS have much to learn from this example (hoo hah)

Max. 3 programs (5, Insightful)

RikRat (834490) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336514)

"The product can run three programs at a time. For those families, this is exactly what they want. That's a great experience for them." Right... exactly what they want. They want to run Explorer.exe, Internet Explorer, Outlook, Wor-- wait, close an application first! "One of the big criticisms about XP Starter Edition is that it can run just three applications simultaneously, so I was curious to see what it would do if you attempted to launch more than three. In this case, the system displays a notification window telling you that you can only run three applications. The notification roughly reads as, "With Windows XP Starter Edition, you can run three programs at a time. To open a new program, please save your work, close one open application, and open the new application again." Nice work! And I guess the 800x600 max resolution is also "exactly what they want". Bah.

Re:Max. 3 programs (2, Insightful)

youngerpants (255314) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336757)

Also, what classes as a program?

What about services or background apps; my windows box runs software like antivirus on startup (as it should) but also what about dhcpd or similar. It also defaults to running things like MSNMessenger on startup and if I actually want to launch software myself MSOutlook also uses word as its default editor... there are 2 more programs starting as 1

If the standard windows build was limited to just 3 apps it wouldn't even start up so how are "programs" classified?

Some ideas the Linux community can adopt (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336524)

Stop making desktops that fucking suck (eg KDE, GNOME)
Stop making office suites that fucking suck (OO, KOffice)
Stop making drivers that fucking suck (XFree86, CUPS)
Adopt standards instead of bloating the install with half assed applications (Mozilla, Firefox, Konqueror & Galeon -- Pick a fucking browser and make it the standard!)

Nothing New (1)

ProudClod (752352) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336536)

Windows 3.1 had a very similar looking tutorial on how to use a mouse, if my memory serves me right.

Could anyone elaborate on this recollection?

Re:Nothing New (1)

Your Pal Dave (33229) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336749)

It sure did, and along with the other training videos it used about 11 MiB of HD space, which was not inconsequential in those days. One of the first things I used to do with one of those machines was delete those files to reclaim this space.

Re:Nothing New (1)

Lemming Mark (849014) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336754)

Yes, I remember that - I think it was stashed under the Help menu of Program Manager. For beginners who had never used a mouse / GUI before it just provided a quick runthrough of the basics - actually kinda helpful when you introduce someone to a computer.

Re:Nothing New (1)

RikRat (834490) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336783)

You are right, OS/2 Warp 3 had it also.

More of the same (1)

nemaispuke (624303) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336547)

I am sure other people have commented on Microsoft's "let's remove functionality to reduce the cost" so that if anyone actually needs the functionality of XP Home or Professional they have to cough up more money! You don't have to be a Harvard economist to see what Microsoft is doing here. I hope the people of Malysia and Thailand see through Microsoft's crap and tell them to shove Windows XP Starter Edition.

VCR setup video (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336548)

This sounds like the VCR that came with a videotape showing you how to setup your VCR...

mouse usage (5, Interesting)

lkcl (517947) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336550)

i know it sounds archaic, but i have watched no-skills mouse users and it's quite serious. they:

1) play "hunt the cursor" because of poor eyesight and lack of experience with visual on-screen clues

2) hold a mouse with two or less fingers

3) move the mouse around tepidly and definitely not straight such that the cursor movement bears little relation to on-screen movement

4) moving the mouse around in order to locate the cursor itself.

5) let go of the mouse and watch the mouse itself not the screen in order to press a button on it - result: mouse moves...

the use of a mouse is something that is taken for granted. try using your mouse with your OTHER hand for a few weeks to see what i mean (if you are not ambidextrous of course).

try also upping the cursor accelerator and click-speed to absolute max in order to simulate lack of coordination.

and then: don't you bloody dare write another application with many-leveled drop-down and drop-sideways menus ever again!

Re:mouse usage (1)

Antonymous Flower (848759) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336682)

I remember my first usage of a mouse. My grandfather was a lefty and I, being a righty, had no difficulty adopting his technique. Granted I was only aged in the single digits. The benefits of youth indicate the exercises that retain our mental facilities as we grow older. Learn to do things in ways you aren't traditionally used to. "Those damn kids" have something to teach you. Look to your children (or grandchildren) for clues. You'll thank yourself.

Re:mouse usage (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336711)

I know you were dead serious about this post, but it really made me laugh. I work with older people and you basically describe what I see every day. The whole thing about looking down at the mouse to press a button, oh man.

Re:mouse usage (1)

harvardian (140312) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336751)

4) moving the mouse around in order to locate the cursor itself.

Hell, I do that myself sometimes. A mouse has a lot of places to hide in 1600 x 1200 pixels.

Interesting (1)

adeydas (837049) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336553)

Apparently to start the movie in which Windows XP Starter Edition teaches you how to use a mouse, you have to point your mouse to the menu, click it and then view it. Or you have to use your keyboard. So like for a person who knows nothing about computers, wouldn't that be a hard thing to do?! In other words, here comes another useless feature.

Lots of things the Linux Community should learn... (2, Insightful)

winkydink (650484) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336577)

Unfortunately, it comes down to this. Linux is essentially developed by geeks for geeks, and, as a generality, geeks have little time/patience with the "clueless newbie unwashed" who need their hands held.

If Linux is ever going to conquer the desktop, it will take the effort of many dedicated people who not only have the time & the patience, but also obsess about the user experience of the aforementioned unwashed.

Unlike the average /. reader, the majority of people view the computer as a tool, a means to an end, not as a hobby and not as the end itself.

Answering the critics (1)

ookaze (227977) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336594)

The "Answering the critics" part (from MS) contradicts the reports (from MS) that people in these country (where this Windows is to be released) are replacing Linux with Windows (on PC sold with Linux).
I wonder how a great deal of the population do not know what to do with Windows (MS people assure you they have done the research for that) and yet are able to install Windows.

In Europe, people that know what to do with Windows do not necessarily know how to install it.

Strange thing really.

Whats the fucking point? (-1, Flamebait)

Groop9 (759711) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336601)

I wasted my fucking time reading all that and I came out with fucking nothing. Fucking hell Groop9 Certified Unix Nettwerk Technician (CUNT) Http://www.Groop9.com Groop9@Groop9.com

Couldn't use it himself, found it easy to use! (2, Funny)

hoborocks (775911) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336614)

The response from tech press and analysts was immediate and damning. Reports referred to XP Starter Edition as "cut-rate," "cheap," "crippled," and even "futile." All of those reports, however, are completely wrong. And it's a sad statement on the state of modern tech reporting and analysis that so many people could be so cynical about a product they have never seen and don't know a thing about.

And yet he wasn't allowed to USE it himself - it was DEMONSTRATED for him.

Yeah, that sounds a bit hypocritical. Ass.

Voice-activated (1)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336620)

An example is end-user training videos such as how to use a mouse.

Hello, computer?

The difference between Windows and Linux videos (0, Flamebait)

mukund (163654) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336622)

(For using-a-mouse videos, I would suggest also Roblimo's book Point and Click Linux.)

OK OK.. listen. I'm going to sound like a troll, but this is A JOKE. None of it is really true.

The difference between a Windows "using the mouse" instruction video and a Linux "using the mouse" instruction video is:

Windows:

  1. Plug the mouse in
  2. Clicking twice means a double-click. It is different from a single click.
  3. Right clicking means clicking the right mouse button which brings up properties in context

Linux:

  1. Plug the mouse in
  2. If you believe in God, say a quick prayer for the next things you're gonna do
  3. Edit /etc/X11/XF86Config and fill in all the appropriate sections. The 60 page manpage reference is an ideal reference.
  4. Edit /etc/sysconfig/gpm (if you are using Fedora Core or /etc/someother/file if you're using Debian, or /etc/someotherother/other file if you're using Gentoo, or....) and blah blah blah blah blah blah..
  5. Say a prayer again
  6. Start gpm server. Start X.
  7. Wash, rinse and repeat until it works.

Dunno, rip a page from OpenOffice (1)

gelfling (6534) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336638)

I just installed OpenOffice and I can't think of a single thing that didn't go as well or better than a corresponding installation or use of MS Office. This stuff really isn't space science, you just have to package everything with some care and knoweledge of what your CUSTOMERS, not users, not developers not those unpleasant people who talk to you, want.

Customers in emerging markets? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336641)

As pointed out here in this thread, how about concentrating on the hundreds of thousands of users in the First World who, despite the (forced?) ubiquity of PCs, *still* don't know how to use them. This sounds perfect for my mom.

Wrong market (3, Interesting)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336657)

People who end up with WindowsXP starter edition do not buy it directly. The OEM does for them.

THis is why I could not stand the arguments like "Consumers chose MS with their wallets..." when the anti trust trial was going on.

Lusers do not know what Linux is or care. ALl they know is they bought a computer and want to plug it in and use it. Do they even know what an OS is?

I looked at the WindowsXP crippled errr starter edition in the link of the story. It is crippled regardless of what MS may tell you otherwise so they can get you to fork over $200 (alot of money in third world countries) if you want features like resolutions above 800 x 600. The users in these countries never owned a pc so they have no concept of features nor care.

My point is training video's will help users of course learn the os but they will only use what comes with their computer and nothing else. Installing software or requiring them to learn is too much of an effort. Many I bet wont even click the video's because that would be too much of an effort.

The exception would be a dos oriented computer which many OEM's like HP include in the countries that install the starter edition. Since dos requires the users to actually learn commands, most will find a friend to install WindowsXP for them so they can use a mouse with the nice pretty icons.

I wonder (3, Insightful)

dj245 (732906) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336663)

How many will forgo Windows XP Crippled edition and go with Windows XP Pro Sp2 Bittorrent Edition?

Misplaced priorities (2, Insightful)

rudy_wayne (414635) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336676)

Microsoft really has their priorities screwed up.

There are so many things Microsoft needs to be concentrating on ... like a modern, standards compliant browser that isn't full of security holes. Or an e-mail client that isn't the number one vector for speading viruses in the world.

Instead, they give us this crap.

How nice.

Re:Misplaced priorities (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336779)

Not really.. the number of lines of code to count the number of apps... 10? 15?

Add in an 'if' statement to limit the monitor size to 800x600 and rebuild. Voila, a whole new OS in under an hour.

They didn't get rich by actually working for it you know...

Roblimo wrote a book? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336680)

You mean, like, published?

The end times are truly upon us.

Bad timing (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336707)

MSFT's entire potential market for this just got swept into the sea a couple weeks ago.

As it turns out, God wasn't so pleased with the Jihad after all.

It's still crippleware (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11336720)

With most monitor (even in Thailand) capable of running in 1024x768 or higher resolution, the 800x600 limit simply is insufficient for most user needs, especially when web page designers have been optimizing pages to run in 1024x768 screens for some time. Giant icons eats up even more screen estates.

As for the friendier localized intro, this should have been done a long time ago, not just the moment of making crippled Windoze XP.

3 application limit is an extremely dangerous feature. For we know, it can be easily reached just by running web browser plug-in, and 'application' can include a control panel, a taskbar, or even a running process. Last time I checked, Windoze need at least a lot more than 3 processes just to function. Furthermore, it can enforce double standrads on counting applications. For example, it doesn't count multiple IE windoze as separate apps, but will count each opened Mozilla/Firefox window as one (or 2 if a plug-in is activated) application. You can bet M$ is using this trick to knock out competitions.

"Piloting XP Starter Edition to success" (1)

hey (83763) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336744)

Yeah, what a kissy-assy "review".
Headings like "Piloting (product-name) to success" should don't appear in real reviews.

Please (1)

ratta (760424) | more than 9 years ago | (#11336750)

Point me to a link to the video that teaches how to use the mouse!
I _really_ need it!
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