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U.S. Army to d00dz - We're Coming for You

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the i-am-now-officially-scared dept.

United States 183

Thanks to cdagobah for mentioning a post up on the America's Army game site. Executive Producer Phil DeLuca posts a message updating the community on a recent anti-hacking campaign they've initiated, and has a clear message for would-be wrongdoers. From the post: "Allow me to speak directly to the bad guys for a moment: When you get banned, know that we know and have records showing you were doing something that's a violation of terms of service, breaks your EULA, and also happens to be against the law. We know who you are, and can track down where you play from. We have incontrovertible proof you did something illegal. The Army is angry, and we're coming for you. "

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YEA!! (5, Funny)

Squatchman (844798) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341146)

.... and we know you have weapons of mass destruction hidden somewhere! Come Clean!

Haha... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11342145)

Does it really matter how pithy you are if it's *your* house they've got lased? Wolves seem to be perfectly happy living in holes excavated in the earth, but I would guess most people find that lifestyle sub-optimal.

Re:YEA!! (5, Funny)

identity0 (77976) | more than 9 years ago | (#11342455)

Oh yeah? You and what Army?

Re:YEA!! (4, Funny)

Jorkapp (684095) | more than 9 years ago | (#11345188)

Obligatory Family Guy Quote:

Chris: Dad, I tried to go to school today, but some guy said I couldn't.
Peter: Oh ya? Him and what army?
Chris: The US Army!
* US Army points all guns at Peter's house *
Peter: (Shocked) Oh thats a good army.

Give me a fucking break... (5, Funny)

EnronHaliburton2004 (815366) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341172)

We know who you are, and can track down...
The Army is angry, and we're coming for you.


Nice to see that the Army is doing something useful. I wouldn't want any of these teenagers walking around the streets.

First they break the EULA, next they're killing babies. Gotta stop this evil when it starts!

Re:Give me a fucking break... (1)

sgant (178166) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341232)

No, nothing like that. They cheat, they'll get hassled. Will they go to jail? Nah, but they'll get hassled.

It's pretty plain to me...if you want to cheat, don't play AA. Go cheat on Counterstrike like everyone else does you little wienies....

Re:Give me a fucking break... (1)

Atrax (249401) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341823)

They cheat, they'll get hassled.

You know, I wouldn't necessarily hassle them. First I'd see if they'd be any good in my new Cyber-Warfare unit..

Re:Give me a fucking break... (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 9 years ago | (#11345357)

would they be employed in the "downloading 1337 h4x division? maybe the code authors would be useful, but not the fucktards going on IRC and getting an aimbot for AA.

Re:Give me a fucking break... (4, Funny)

Ayaress (662020) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341470)

These aren't just teenagers. These are cheaters, trolls, and in general, assholes. Nothing the army will do to them will fit their sins. I for one would endorse a policy involving locking them in cages with silver back gorillas overnight, but that's considered cruel, and gorrillas are expensive, so I guess this is better than nothing.

Re:Give me a fucking break... (3, Funny)

crazyphilman (609923) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341881)

Cruel? I'll say.

Gorilla (about midnight): "Look, old chum, I've already told you at least a dozen times that I don't happen to HAVE a Magic: The Gathering deck. I prefer chess. Now, bugger off like a good chap and let me read my Milton."

Re:Give me a fucking break... (1)

neverkevin (601884) | more than 9 years ago | (#11343413)

The Army is mad that "Hackers" are ruining their recruiting tool. While they probably have some legal ground to stand on with regard to "all accounts and derivative products, are the property of the United States Army. When you tamper with the game ... you're misusing Army property - and, worse, you're misusing US Army computer programs and equipment." for espionage charges. However, using that law to prosecute people for cheating on a video game is definitely not in the spirit of the law.

The Army must believe this is a very effective means of recruiting or a game developer just exceeded his authority.

Re:Give me a fucking break... (2, Interesting)

EnronHaliburton2004 (815366) | more than 9 years ago | (#11343644)

This guy has to be talking out of his ass. I doubt the Army cares much about people cheating on a video game. It's just a fucking video game.

If the Army tried to 'come after' people for cheating, they'd catch hell from all over the place for not doing their job.

The Army isn't exactly supposed to be operating against US citizens.

Re:Give me a fucking break... (1)

Meagermanx (768421) | more than 9 years ago | (#11344055)

Good thing the Patriot act is here to help put an end to these terrorist hackers. First thing, they make aiming hacks, next thing you know, they might blow up a bus or something, right?

Good (0)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341178)

The game just isn't anymore now that all the snipers never seem to miss. Seems that right when the game starts - POW - I am head shot in 30 seconds. Over and over and over and over again.

I hope they do! (0)

sgant (178166) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341180)

I don't play AA anymore, as there just isn't enough time in my day...but I really hope they fly at all these little idiots with the full weight of the US Army and everything that entails. Yeah, I know, no tank will be bashing in their doors, but the dreaded and feared lawyers will be out there with writs in hand!

It always cracks me up with the d00dZ saying "yeah, they can't do anything to me, I'm not breaking no law or anything...they can't catch me anyway...I'm l33t!". Now it's time to finally shut them up...if even for 5 minutes!

Re:I hope they do! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11341249)

We should light their bitch asses up with Napalm and let em simmer.

Waste of American taxes and military resources (3, Interesting)

dstone (191334) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341766)

I really hope they fly at all these little idiots with the full weight of the US Army and everything that entails.

Spoken like someone who isn't paying enough taxes to care how his government spends his money.

Really now, do you want military-sized, wasteful, beurocratic budgets to spend time tracking down people who cheat in a video game?

Re:Waste of American taxes and military resources (0, Troll)

entitude (770810) | more than 9 years ago | (#11342127)

Yes.

Re:Waste of American taxes and military resources (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11342683)

Alright there Kip, go chat to some more babes online.

Re:Waste of American taxes and military resources (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11342940)

Grandma just called and said you're supposed to go home...she said she doesn't want you here when she gets back because you've been ruining everybody's lives and eating all our steak.

Re:Waste of American taxes and military resources (1)

entitude (770810) | more than 9 years ago | (#11344159)

Troll? The same script-kiddies that think that it's good fun to use aimhacks on public servers (as opposed to private, local servers, on which they can do whatever they want, as far as I'm concerned) are the same kind of script-kiddies that think that it's good fun to DOS someone they don't agree with, or the same script-kiddies who think that it's good fun to run someone else's code to crack someone else's webserver. The script-kiddies who ruin your games are the same script-kiddies who ruin everything else online. And as they grow older, mature, perhaps they'll even write some scripts of their own. Come on, mods, just because you don't see eye-to-eye with me doesn't mean I'm a troll. Overrated, perhaps. But I'm not trolling.

Re:Waste of American taxes and military resources (1, Flamebait)

sgant (178166) | more than 9 years ago | (#11343115)

"Really now, do you want military-sized, wasteful, beurocratic budgets to spend time tracking down people who cheat in a video game?"

Sure, why not. Better this than...oh, I don't know...invade a country that was zero threat to us? OH that's right, NOW we're changing history to say we went in to "help the Iraqi people"...instead of the real reason (yes, I have a memory), which is because Saddam was messing around with the weapons inspectors and being a jerk...which of course gave us the "in" we were looking for to invade! But this is off-topic of course....

Let's see, tracking down cheaters...let's call it a cool million dollars to do this(and don't be naive, the entire Army is NOT going to go after cheaters). Iraq? Well, we bought that country didn't we...100 Billion? My vote goes with tracking down the cheaters. lol. But hey, guess I'm not "paying enough taxes" aye?

Re:Waste of American taxes and military resources (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11343265)

Sure, why not. Better this than...oh, I don't know...invade a country that was zero threat to us?

Do you really think "sure, why not" is justification for spending tax dollars? If there is nothing worthy for the military to spend its money on, do its citizens really want them to spend money at all? I guess that's the question that divides people, but my opinion is a definite "NO". There's nothing forcing us to pick the less wasteful of several wasteful things.

Stop spending so, heaven forbid, there will be more resources available when something truly expensive and worthy comes along.

Re:Waste of American taxes and military resources (1)

forkazoo (138186) | more than 9 years ago | (#11343449)

You have no memory. We have always been at war with the Eurasians.

Re:Waste of American taxes and military resources (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11345747)

You know, you are allowed to be against the war in Iraq and tracking down cheaters. But we shouldn't let that get in the way of an offtopic rant.

Re:I hope they do! (4, Interesting)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 9 years ago | (#11342224)

..how about making the system more hack-proof?

the line between a 'hack' and a non hack on a online game is very slim anyhow.

is turning up the contrast a hack? or using 1920*1400 resolution and a maginifying glass on the centre for insta sniping? or using a lightgun to pinpoint the mouse to the enemy, friend sitting next to you with the gun(a little work and it's doable, you just run around and your frind picks up enemies).

is buying a better mouse a hack?
is having a crappy internet connection a hack?
or is it hack if you're just _really_, _really_ good? you hear that being called a hack all the time.

these problems can only be combated with novel game element design really... of course, you'd have none of these problems if you played seriously face to face on the same table.

or just didn't give a rats ass if someone shot you.

but this "we're coming for you!!!" is a bit extreme crap, especially coming from the fucking army(especially hacks being outside of usa probably, too).

Re:I hope they do! (1)

sgant (178166) | more than 9 years ago | (#11343165)

Well, I kinda doubt it was "coming from the Army". You have to remember, the people that design and program the game are NOT Army personel. They WORK for the Army, but they don't represent "the Army" anymore than the civilian that works at the base commisary.

But anyway, you KNOW what the hacks are. The aimbots and the wall hacks...don't throw out those "buying a better mouse" statements. I mean, come on..

Re:I hope they do! (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 9 years ago | (#11344311)

so wallhack is a hack.
is buggy graphics drivers a hack? sure it is then.

i was just making a point about subtle hacks that can be used to boost playing performance without touching the whole software. with the lightgun(or touchscreen at it's place) technique you could get results that would not be far from an aimbot with some randomizing in it. in fact, i'd say that it would be pretty damn hard to distinguish the two at the other end - yet one of them is a hack and one is just enhanced input device.

surely you counted using autofire on the c64 sports games as a hack as well. not much difference.

making public statements like that is just desperate... "ok we don't know how to code our shit up so.. STFU XIITS OUR MOMMAS GONNA KICK YOU".

they're a fucking PR operation for the army and you're not supposed to take stuff that comes from them in the slightest sense that it's coming from 'the army'?

imho.. they should just code the thing so that they wouldn't send cordinates of players they should be not seeing.. and reducing how much 'aiming' matters(mouse aiming is faaaaar ways from shooting with an assault rifle anyhow).

Re:I hope they do! (1)

sabinm (447146) | more than 9 years ago | (#11345420)

is turning up the contrast a hack? or using 1920*1400 resolution and a maginifying glass on the centre for insta sniping? or using a lightgun to pinpoint the mouse to the enemy, friend sitting next to you with the gun(a little work and it's doable, you just run around and your frind picks up enemies).

Until your friend shoots you in the back.

Its About Time (4, Informative)

CyberVenom (697959) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341204)

America's Army official servers all run unmoderated, relying on the automated PunkBuster system to weed out hackers. Unfortunately it just plain doesn't work. AA has been getting as bad as Red Faction was with hacks recently. I hope they do something effective, although threats may not be the best way to do it. They ought to look into something other than punkbuster, for example UT had quite a few independantly-developed anti-cheat mods which worked quite well, and AA runs on the UT engine anyway... I'm tired of rapid-fire 203s, dammit!

Re:Its About Time (1)

bynary (827120) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341841)

They don't monitor you with PunkBuster. That's what billion dollar satellites are for.

Since when... (1)

breon.halling (235909) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341209)

Since when is it illegal to use a wall-hack or aimbot? ;)

Seriously, does anyone know the details?

Re:Since when... (4, Interesting)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341380)

It's really funny to see lawyers misuse legal jargon. It's not illegal, it's unlawful. You agreed to a terms of service, and by violating those terms of service you are in breach of contract. They can sue you, they can't call the police and have you arrested.

That said, if they then ban you and you continue to play under a fake account or something similar, you are now illegally accessing a computer system, and that you will do time for (probably more than a rapist does on average too).

Re:Since when... (1)

stevew (4845) | more than 9 years ago | (#11342066)

Well - this is plain ignorant. If they hack the site, or apply a DOS attack or some such against the AA servers, then that (and many other similar activities) are against the law. Further, these servers are Federal computers which makes it a Federal Case!

Lastly - don't forget - these guys have REAL guns...real BIG guns! ;-)

Re:Since when... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11344560)

Goverment PROPERTY has a whooooooooooooole different set of rules. Remember the guys with the guns make the rules...

I have known privates discharged and thrown in jail just for getting drunk and doing something stupid. You know what normal 19-23 year olds do... Guess what they were thrown in jail for? Misuse of goverment property.

America, **** yeah (2, Insightful)

t2h3c (821788) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341247)

Our tax dollars, hard at work. Doesn't this make you proud to be an American?

Re:America, **** yeah (2, Insightful)

cicatrix1 (123440) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341334)

I already lost my pride (again) on November 3rd.

Re:America, **** yeah (1)

Pres. Ronald Reagan (659566) | more than 9 years ago | (#11343943)

+5, Apt!!~!!!!!!

The man hates Bush! Send him a plaque!

Re:America, **** yeah (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 9 years ago | (#11345380)

you need to visit drinkbleach.org

I don't get it... (4, Insightful)

j-turkey (187775) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341271)

I've never played this game, and know little about it...but if I'm understanding this correctly, some people used some cheats in a video game, and a developer is insinuating criminal repercussions? Is it safe to assume that there were no real monetary losses?

Yeah. I'll believe that the federal government will actually prosecute when pigs fly.

Inmate 1: What are you in for?
Inmate 2: First degree murder, but I'll be out in 4 more years. What about you?
Inmate 1: I cheated in a video game, which was technically misusing US Army property. I'll be in here for a long time.
Inmate 2: Daaaaaaaaaaamn.

Re:I don't get it... (1)

WhiteBandit (185659) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341653)

Well considering this is the military... they already have their own tribunals set up. If convicted, lock them up at "Gitmo" forever and no one will be the wiser. ;)

Re:Or, this could be handy... (1, Redundant)

jspoon (585173) | more than 9 years ago | (#11343910)

...handy to have on your record if the Draft is reinstated.

Sgt: "Kid, I want you to go and sit down on that bench that says Group W .... NOW kid!!"

NAR: And I, I walked over to the, to the bench there, and there is, Group W's where they put you if you may not be moral enough to join the army after committing your special crime, and there was all kinds of mean nasty ugly looking people on the bench there. Mother rapers. Father stabbers. Father rapers! Father rapers sitting right there on the bench next to me! And they was mean and nasty and ugly and horrible crime-type guys sitting on the bench next to me. And the meanest, ugliest, nastiest one, the meanest father raper of them all, was coming over to me and he was mean 'n' ugly 'n' nasty 'n' horrible and all kind of things and he sat down next to me and said, "Kid, whad'ya get?" I said, "I didn't get nothing, I had to pay $50 and got IP banned from America's Army."

Heh, "Group W" seems appropriate in ways I hadn't thought of before.

You left off the ending! (1)

That's Unpossible! (722232) | more than 9 years ago | (#11344979)

Inmate 2: Bend over.

Priorities people (2, Insightful)

Axis of Weasel (700706) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341289)

Maybe they should focus on... oh I dont know... Osama Bin Laden?

Re:Priorities people (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11341433)

They won't find him until he logs in and cheats.

Re:Priorities people (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11341468)

I wonder what his ping is.

Re:Priorities people (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11341500)

666

Re:Priorities people (1)

thegrassyknowl (762218) | more than 9 years ago | (#11345788)

Maybe they should focus on... oh I dont know... Osama Bin Laden?

Focus on another fitcional character in yet another game ;) No problems.

They don't know the "extend" of what we know (3, Funny)

pnice (753704) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341291)

They dont know the extend of what we know, and moreover how we know it. They used up all the knowledge that could have been put towards proofreading.

Re:They don't know the "extend" of what we know (1)

wan-fu (746576) | more than 9 years ago | (#11343821)

No, no, you have it all wrong. It's not that they didn't proofread it, it's that Rumself was the proofreader and editor.

Re:They don't know the "extend" of what we know (1)

wan-fu (746576) | more than 9 years ago | (#11343841)

And of course that should read "Rumsfeld"

but... (2, Funny)

Moustache N Tits (828608) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341302)

... will the army rangers who come to arrest me use techniques they learned in the game? Will they all be little camping sniper whores? how many grenades do they get (or am I thinking too much CS here...)??? I took the tutorial, I think I can hold my own.

oooh, I'm scared! (0, Flamebait)

kendoka (473386) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341343)

What is it about Beltway Bandits and civil servents working with the millitary that produces these freakin' desk-commandos? Like they've even fired a weapon before. There's a special place in hell for all these losers where they're forced to PT their flabby @$$es all day.

You can get anything you want (4, Funny)

quandrum (652868) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341405)

It's illegal? They're coming after you? What they really mean is if you try and join the army, the future will look like this.

And I, I walked over to the, to the bench there, and there is, Group W's where they put you if you may not be moral enough to join the army after committing your special crime, and there was all kinds of mean nasty ugly looking people on the bench there. Mother rapers. Father stabbers. Father rapers! Father rapers sitting right there on the bench next to me! And they was mean and nasty and ugly and horrible crime-type guys sitting on the bench next to me. And the meanest, ugliest, nastiest one, the meanest father raper of them all, was coming over to me and he was mean 'n' ugly 'n' nasty 'n' horrible and all kind of things and he sat down next to me and said, "Kid, whad'ya get?" I said, "I didn't get nothing, I just got a temp ban from the official servers." He said, "What were you arrested for, kid?" And I said, "Wallhacking." And they all moved away from me on the bench there, and the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean nasty things, till I said, "And creating a nuisance." And they all came back, shook my hand, and we had a great time on the bench, talkin about crime, mother stabbing, father raping, all kinds of groovy things that we was talking about on the bench.

... at Alice's Restaurant... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11341560)

except Alice.

Re:You can get anything you want (1)

StillDocked (471133) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341629)

Are you saying that all the l337 kidz should get together, sing a bar of Alice's and walk out? Creating a movement?

Wow...

The 60s really haven't died...

Re:You can get anything you want (1)

Red Moose (31712) | more than 9 years ago | (#11342129)

Great Alro Guthrie quote, I'd mod you up if I had any points left!

Grr, I hate you (1)

jspoon (585173) | more than 9 years ago | (#11343946)

I posted this bit in reply to something else before scrolling all the way down. This makes me feel really lame.

*Ahem* Mr. DeLuca, (1)

Moby Cock (771358) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341473)

Sir, You are a wanker. You are frightening nobody. Stop pretending you are a tough guy and go back to managing your software team.

Re:*Ahem* Mr. DeLuca, (1)

ircbuddy (732046) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341996)

*bukkake*

Now I'm scared (3, Interesting)

karnat10 (607738) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341511)

Nobody except judiciary has the right to go after me when I've done wrong.

Everything else breaches separation of powers and / or is plain illegal. Like the RIAA paying retired police offers to play Gestapo. Or the army saying "The Army is angry, and we're coming for you".

Rather than threatening its own people, I'd prefer the army focusing on defense, and on respecting the law themselves. As a suggestion, they could start in Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo.

Re:Now I'm scared (1)

skinfitz (564041) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341889)

Nobody except judiciary has the right to go after me when I've done wrong.
...
I'd prefer the army ... respecting the law themselves.

Hmm - didn't do the maths on this one did we? They are the US Army, and as you infer, they do not respect the law. I beleive it's been more than adequately demonstrated over the last few years that they are well and truly Above The Law.

Re:Now I'm scared (4, Funny)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 9 years ago | (#11342463)

Not only are they Above The Law, but they're also Hard To Kill and I think it's obvious that these kids are Marked For Death now that the army is Out For Justice. So remember, if you mess with the army your parent's basement may well be Under Siege and you'll be standing On Deadly Ground.

Re:Now I'm scared (1)

skinfitz (564041) | more than 9 years ago | (#11342908)

Oh we can but dream. Imagine the scene...

*HEADSHOT*
*HEADSHOT*
*HEADSHOT*
*HEADSHOT*

k3w1^d00d: LOLZ J00 SUXXOR!!!!1111eleven

Player1: Bot.

k3w1^d00d: LOLLLLLLLLOLOLZZZZZ WH4T3V3R L4M3R

[CPS]janxor: I'm getting the admin

ColMustd: Screw that I'm calling the army!

Re:Now I'm scared (1)

Ayaress (662020) | more than 9 years ago | (#11342765)

The judiciary does not have that power. The police do, the prosecutors do, and various alphabet soup agencies do depending on what you did wrong (Stock fraud the FTC comes after you, illegal weapons the DOD, bad medicine the FDA, and so forth). When they do, you're brought in front of the judiciary to decide what to do about it, but the judiciary doesn't come after you. If you refuse to appear in front of the judiciary, the judiciary still doesn't come after you, the police do. The agencies that have the power to come after you are parts of the executive branch, which should be noted also controls the military. The military also does not HAVE to come after you in this case, they can call up any number of other agencies that handle that stuff, depending on how much they want to come off as assholes.

Re:Now I'm scared (1)

karnat10 (607738) | more than 9 years ago | (#11343189)

If I had mod points I'd mod the parent up as one of the I-mods. Government in a nutshell.

However, the military MUST not come after me in this case, because this case is about disregarding license agreements or the like, and I hope it's still illegal for someone to send the army because of this.

But then again, this army has been sent further away for even more dubious reasons...

Re:Now I'm scared (1)

perrin5 (38802) | more than 9 years ago | (#11344040)

While agree with the second half of your statement, I would like to point out that the army is perfectly within their rights to say "The Army is angry and we're coming for you". If the actually DO come for you, let me know, so I can flee to haiti, or something.

Call the marines (4, Funny)

Usquebaugh (230216) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341564)

Dear GI Joe,

wake up and smell the coffe, war is not about obeying rules. It's about winnning.

The US army is going to use lawyers because it cannot police it's own servers. I do so look forward to you explaining that to the press.

Given that once again the US Army cannot deal with problems in a rational, pragmnatic and effective manner I suggest you always do what the army does in this situation. Call for the marines.

Re:Call the marines (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11344590)

And who is to say the law could not be used as a weapon?

This might be a good thing... (5, Funny)

Datamonstar (845886) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341689)

Cause we all know that only terrorists cheat at online games...

yeah, geez! (3, Funny)

cbrichar (819941) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341735)

c'mon guys, this is war! Play fair!

Speaking of proof (2, Funny)

Henry V .009 (518000) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341743)

We have incontrovertible proof...

Raise your hand if you've heard that one before [slashdot.org] .

Wow Somebody tell this guy the war is over (sorta) (5, Interesting)

Jtheletter (686279) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341757)

Choice quote: Truth be told, the bloodiest day in America's Army Game account history is still ahead of us and we got most of the information leading to that day from the bad guys themselves!

Throughout the article this guy keeps saying "bad guys" like he was fighting for something tangible and sacred. Get some perspective man, you're booting cheaters from a game server, not saving babies in 'Nam.

How about: Tampering with software and servers owned or used by the Army is cyber crime.
Oooooh, oh no! I'm not fully clear on what people are doing that's got General McNads' panties in a bunch, but I'm assuming it's a bit more annoying than just using a wall hack, perhaps people are trying to crash servers and the like, but that happens to every game/website/store on the web! But because it's happened to the army's game, now they're really serious and pissed. Hello, US Gub'ment, this is the sort of "cybercrime" that goes on daily and is ignored or completely fumbled by current law bodies. Now you know what Joe Developer has to deal with daily when he wakes up and his web-store has been hacked to shit. Did you care then? Nope, but apparently now that it's personal it matters. The guy writing this sounds almost surprised by the affront of the "bad guys": 'How dare they hack us! I mean we're the army for crissake!'

And the bit at the end saying "We're coming for you." Honestly, I think this guy actually believes someone's going to have their house stormed and shot up. At best they'll be sending a lawyer, there will be due process in court, and life will continue as usual. Someone, please, get this over-inflated self-important bastard away from his keyboard and someplace where his gung-ho attitude might actually affect change at the scale he hallucinates. It's a friggin game.

"My god Er, I can't believe we are standing in the presence of THE Moon Master!"

Re:Wow Somebody tell this guy the war is over (sor (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 9 years ago | (#11342379)

It's a friggin game.

And here I was thinking it was an attempt to recruit kids into the army.

Re:Wow Somebody tell this guy the war is over (sor (1)

spir0 (319821) | more than 9 years ago | (#11343840)

yeh, but read all the comments after it. It scary to see all those cries of HOOAAHH and the effort they go to for the graphical sigs.

they are all a sorry bunch of losers. wanna be army boys who wouldn't cut it in the real world.

Reading that dev's post shows that he has the same mindset they all do and although he's just trying to scare the kids into not cheating, I think a lot will believe they're going to have their doors bashed in during some fucking dawn raid.

bad guys. heh. tosser.

Pretend You're a WMD... (1)

glarvat (753298) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341835)

They'll never be able to find you...

The awful truth.... (1)

rubberbando (784342) | more than 9 years ago | (#11341972)

They'll knock on your door and threaten jail, but give you the option to enlist instead to put those 'skills' to 'good' use. :-P

A Better Response might have been... (4, Insightful)

ivi (126837) | more than 9 years ago | (#11342036)


"Thanks for exposing a hole in
-our- security.

We'll work hard to plug that hole
so that others won't be able to
crawl through it, in future."

I'm reminded of the Hacker Challenges
of other security conscious web sites.

Dear army. (2, Funny)

arcanumas (646807) | more than 9 years ago | (#11342045)

Dear United States Army.

I have been playing Enemy territory for some time and have noticed a lot of cheaters ,aimbots and wallhacks.

It has come to my attention that you have undertaken the role of punkbuster, only with rifles and live ammo.
Could you please um, 'solve' the problem on the Enemy terrirory servers please?

Maybe send these people to obligatory service in Iraq or something?
Thank you.

Finally! (3, Interesting)

trawg (308495) | more than 9 years ago | (#11342120)

As a long-jaded gamer and server admin, all I can say is hooray. Finally, an organisation with the resources to combat cheating kids. To draw an analogy, these guys are the script kiddies of the gaming world - most of them are just silly punks out to ruin the gaming experience for others and have no real idea of how many people they're affecting.

Sure, non-gamers say "but its just a game", but (to draw another analogy) imagine if every social sports game you played had streakers, people doped up on horse steroids, and people that just walked up to you and started screaming abuse. It would quickly become annoying.

Of course, in the real world, doing that sort of thing quickly has repercussions (ie, someone smacks your bitch ass up) but online, its a real pain in the ass (especially in a free game with no real mechanism to ban users - like Steam, but that's another kettle of fish) to stop these users from ruining the online experience of others.

Personally, the thought of Delta Force guys kicking in some random hackers door at 3am and throwing in a couple of flashbangs makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside. Hell, they could record it on video and put it on the America's Army website and people would PAY MONEY to see it.

We interrupt this commercial... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11345150)

For a special announcement.

Your point is valid for any other game out there. The fact is, though, that no matter how entertaining AA is, it's an advertisement and recruitment tool for the Army. It's a tool of propaganda aimed at young people, for the purpose of enticing them into military service.

It's immoral (and annoying) to purposely disrupt other people's fun for your own amusement. But it's also immoral to make a credible threat of violence to someone who is disrupting your advertisement. Just because the programmer's a nitwit doesn't mean he can just talk shit about the Army coming to get you.

Right now, upwards of ten thousand American men and women have been either killed or injured in the course of this war. In this context, f*cking with a recruiting tactic starts to sound positively saintly.

Re:We interrupt this commercial... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11345964)

Right now, upwards of ten thousand American men and women have been either killed or injured in the course of this war.

Plus as many as ten times that many Iraqis... all to find WMDs they've finally admitted weren't there.

In this context, f*cking with a recruiting tactic starts to sound positively saintly.

Indeed.

Re:Finally! (1)

digitallife (805599) | more than 9 years ago | (#11345914)

"in the real world, doing that sort of thing quickly has repercussions (ie, someone smacks your bitch ass up)" - You obviously don't live in the same world I do.

I Guess... (1)

vjmurphy (190266) | more than 9 years ago | (#11342198)

I guess the Army has to find a war to win somewhere. You'd think that they'd be spending their time and resources getting vehicles and personnel in Iraq armored, but I guess you've got to have priorities.

Re:I Guess... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11343147)

Do you know what percentage of vehicles were not armored when that question was planted in the mouth of a soldier by a reporter? And do you know what percentage currently is?

Run your mouth some more, moron.

Re:I Guess... (2, Interesting)

unitron (5733) | more than 9 years ago | (#11345113)

" Do you know what percentage of vehicles were not armored when that question was planted in the mouth of a soldier by a reporter? And do you know what percentage currently is?"

Well, I know that the company making the armor plates was only running at about two-thirds of capacity but nobody from the government bothered to check with them to see if they could supply more product sooner until after that GI put Rumsfeld on the spot. And I'm pretty sure that the soldier wasn't forced by the reporter to say anything he didn't want to or that he knew to be untrue.

Obvious (1)

La Camiseta (59684) | more than 9 years ago | (#11342221)

Tampering with software and servers owned or used by the Army is cyber crime.

Hah, so it isn't a cyber crime to mess with other's computers if they're not owned or operated by the army? Thanks for stating the obvious, Capt. Obbvious.

Brought to you by Lt. Redundant.

/Stoped playing AA the moment the first email came back to me with recruiting info

Strange Similarity (1)

Fitzghon (578350) | more than 9 years ago | (#11342251)

EA Games: makes its employees work uncompensated overtime in order to make deadlines (read: in order to keep their jobs). US Army: bans and declares cheaters on game servers to be compromising to national security. One is killing people to make games, the other is killings people for playing... Fitzghon

Re:Strange Similarity (1)

Jane_the_Great (778338) | more than 9 years ago | (#11343008)

Killing is the wrong word to use AND the people who are being "abused" in both the situations you describe are making decisions of their own free will. Sorry, I'm not crying any tears for them.

How an Americas Army player thinks of this (4, Interesting)

Zevets (728720) | more than 9 years ago | (#11342483)

I don't know how many people play AA, but if you don't, let me explain how this works to you.

The primary hacks are: full auto 203s. Imagine a grenade launcher, add unlimited ammo, and a firing rate of 700 RPM. Imagine maps where there is almost nowhere that cannot be hit. It becomes impossible to deal with. This can also be applied to rocket launchers, sniper rifles, just about any gun in the game can benefit from full auto. Then there are the speed hacks which allow players to run to the objs in about 4 seconds, the obj hacks, where players can take the obj without even being near it, or maybe the respawn hacks, where even if you kill the hacker, he comes right back from the dead. And don't forget a hack that adjusts for the game-physics and run speed, so literally there is no safe thing to do. And don't forget the standard set of aim-bots no fog hacks, etc. All there, and in more numbers than most games, and even more than CS. Almost every server had a blatant hacker on them at anytime, and most had a couple of covert hackers.

Then there is the problem with the server company having a monopoly on honor servers.(honor is a number displayed by your screen that is a rough indicator of skill, but only kinda) The servers crashed non-stop, the support tickets went unanswered, and generally SCI was a pain in the ass. It went so far as there were Freedom of Information Act requests put on the Army and SCI's contract. There was no response. It took SCI repeated requests to allows us access to PB screenshots, which take a picture of whatever your screen is, and them send them off to the server. But this was hacked too, allowing the hacker to send any image he wants, so on many PBSS it was a picture of tub girl. CVAR checks didn't work because after every crash(usually 3-4 times a day) it resets all server scripts. Every AA player who has played since 1.9 remembers the good 'ole days of HomeLan and admins, who were utterly ruthless.

Recently Speakeasy's gamefire division has been allowed to rent honor servers, but they currenty don't have PB enabled, so no-one plays on them anyway. But this just started the 10th, so we will need to wait and see.

There have also been numerous bugs including the "critical error" or "General Protection Faults". In 2.0-2.2 a critical errors would happen non-stop meaning that no AA session lasted for much more than an hour.

And for people who have been bashing Phil Deluca or [Dev]Skippy, recently a large number of hackers were banned, and that caused a notable improvement in the quality of gaming. Under his control, they also released 2.2.1 which has cut down on the critical errors. Things under skippy are looking up, so I really wouldn't be suprised if you see on CNN in a couple of weeks that "the Army has sued several internet sites for hosting hacks for the Army's free recruiting tool video game, Americas Army".

We've been through hell, but for some reason AA just has me coming back for more. Some of the 1.9 era maps are brilliantly done(Bridge SE is possibly one of the best maps ever in an online video game) AA is also the only game to have realistic long range combat. Not just twitch shootin, but tactics will almost always win in AA. Don't bash AA if you havn't been in the community for a long time.

If what Skippy says happens, we are going to be a very happy bunch of gamers.

Wow, the arrogance of it all. (3, Insightful)

Surye (580125) | more than 9 years ago | (#11342501)

In the early 1940's, Japan learned an important lesson - "let the sleeping giant lie." We may not react swiftly, but when we do it's with unstoppable force.

Wow, this guy has some balls to be comparing a bit of video game hacking to pearl harbor.

Re:Wow, the arrogance of it all. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11342825)

I know, every time some old, neo-fascist fogey needs to justify their use of "unstoppable force" they drag out WWII for an endless litany of useless metaphors and parallels.

Nevermind that from an ideology perspective, WWII was probably the most cut-and-dried, black-and-white conflict as your going to get. It really doesn't apply to anything in the 21st century.

Saddam was NOT Hitler. l337 h4x0rz are NOT Tojo.

Why can't they be truthful and say "I'm taking you out because I feel like it"?

Oh well. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11342532)

Illegal in YOUR country...

That could hurt (2, Funny)

AvantLegion (595806) | more than 9 years ago | (#11342534)

You thought K-line kicks were bad, see what a JDAM kick is like.

What's the big deal? (1)

Mechcommander (784124) | more than 9 years ago | (#11343114)

Seems to me that the only thing, if anything happens legally, will be a simple smack on the wrist, like a $50 fine or something. I doubt there will be arrests, kids getting thrown in jail and the like; it's much more likely to be a 'I wouldn't want that letter in my PO Box..' type thing. And for people outside the US, meh, we'll just keep on banning. There's also a few interesting ideas about a counter-attack script type thing floating around, but only has as much credibility as any other rumor, I suppose.

Just ask that cheater... (1)

Lars T. (470328) | more than 9 years ago | (#11343200)

from Fallujah.

America's Army is not a game. (2, Interesting)

xplenumx (703804) | more than 9 years ago | (#11344304)

Considering that the military is using America's Army as a recruiting tool, a PR campaign [slashdot.org] , and a psychological experiment [slashdot.org] it's in their very best interest to take a such a hard line against any and all hacks.

For what its worth (1)

EvilNecro (839456) | more than 9 years ago | (#11344422)

Sheesh... is having a positive opinion of America's armed forces a high crime on /. ??? Message after message of bash bash bash.
That said, accessing a department of defense computer system without authorization is a felony, so yah, they really *could* go after people if they wanted to.

Come on guys (1)

Geoffreyerffoeg (729040) | more than 9 years ago | (#11344731)

Get a sense of humor. He's joking. He doesn't actually have the power of the US Army usable behind him. If you ask him, "You and what army?", he'd most likely laugh. This is the same thing as a "Trespassers will be shot" sign. You sound like you're modding a Funny comment Troll - oh wait, this is the community that invented the Moderator's Lack of a Sense of Humor.

Seriously. You guys sound like you think there are active soldiers who aren't overseas.

On the other hand, he really shouldn't be saying what he did without a big disclaimer. I'm sure that if you look a little bit, he's more guilty than the cheaters are.

Ship 'em out. (1)

9mm Censor (705379) | more than 9 years ago | (#11345631)

Send the Cheaters to Vietn... I mean Iraq.
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