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HP to Region-code Cartridges

samzenpus posted more than 9 years ago | from the outsourcing-ink-bad dept.

HP 716

prostoalex writes "Looks like the printer cartridge manufacturers will be borrowing techniques from Hollywood. HP introduced region coding for some of the newest printers sold in Europe. HP's US location and US dollar sliding lead to the situation, where cartridge prices in Europe are significantly higher than those in the States. In the Wall Street Journal article HP representative in Europe claims the company doesn't make any money off regional coding for cartridges, and that consumers will win once the US dollar rises over Euro."

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Gotta love cheap imports (0, Offtopic)

Dancin_Santa (265275) | more than 9 years ago | (#11417927)

These imports are usually not so bad. They are pretty cheap and if you can ignore the audience laughing and the occasional guy standing up and going to the bathroom, it's pretty much the same thing.

Greedy? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11417928)

I think I speak for everyone when I say, "Damn greedy bastards!"

Oh.. and don't try to fool me into believing that you don't earn anything from catridges.

Re:Greedy? (2)

M3rk1n_Muffl3y (833866) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418005)

Yep. It also looks like textbook antitrust.

Re:Greedy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11418026)

Yes this is hilarious. Dollar weakens against euro -> HP starts charge more dollars for cartiges sold in Europe -> prices in Europe remain flat in euros.

And now they plan this stupid region coding system, which goes against free trade principles. I wonder how this kind of practise (and DVD region coding) can be accepted by international free trade ogranizations?

Re:Greedy? (2, Insightful)

Alan Partridge (516639) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418073)

The corporations rely on the slow speed of the free trade organisations to deal with thei illegal practices to make more money. The best approach from a consumer's point of view is to simply not buy HP.

Where's AntiTrust when you need them? (4, Insightful)

beh (4759) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418029)

It is kind of strange to see these things happening.

As ridiculous region coding is for DVDs, there I can see a minimal reason (the publishers not wanting a DVD to make it into a market where the movie hasn't even been in the cinemas yet... But as cinema release dates for the big global productions inch ever closer to each other all over the globe, this reason is going away fast - leaving the only "good" thing of the region codings that they can charge more in Europe.

But for an inkjet printer manufacturer - this is pure rip-off. What would I gain by, say, buying an ink-cartridge for a printer that hasn't even been released here from the US? Nothing. I would only waste money.

But - since HP's pricing has gone worse over time anyway, I think it's time to ditch them for good and no longer buy their products... (and just hope that this whole thing doesn't catch on in the printer industry).

Why are they doing it? (5, Insightful)

Alioth (221270) | more than 9 years ago | (#11417929)

If they claim they don't make money off region coding cartridges, why are they doing it? Sounds like bullshit to me.

Re:Why are they doing it? (4, Insightful)

FrYGuY101 (770432) | more than 9 years ago | (#11417947)

Technically, they're not making money off the region encoding itself. Rather, they maintain the ability to price-discriminate in varying economic climates, which in turn allows them to make more money.

Classic spin.

Re:Why are they doing it? (1)

Asic Eng (193332) | more than 9 years ago | (#11417993)

I think the "ability to price-discriminate" is basically an illegal trade barrier. I don't see why WTO rules should apply only to workers who have to experience outsourced jobs, but not to companies selling products in a global market. Hopefully the bastards will get the fines they deserve.

Re:Why are they doing it? (4, Insightful)

miu (626917) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418092)

A barrier to trade can only be enacted by a state, this is just a multi-national corporation using superior mobility.

This also a beautiful illustration of why multinationals are the real winners in globalization, they can use labor cost differentials to make a killing and legally backed technological guards to enforce market separation for consumers.

Re:Why are they doing it? - What to get instead? (2, Insightful)

jobsagoodun (669748) | more than 9 years ago | (#11417958)

Because IMHO HP are now Evil. Time was when HP kit was the bollocks, and totally reliable, and not too expensive. Now they're a bunch of assholes trying to wring every last euro out of us.

So the big question is are there any non-Evil printer manufacturers out there?

Re:Why are they doing it? - What to get instead? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11417976)

So the big question is are there any non-Evil printer manufacturers out there?
Here's the litmus test:

If they give away printers, and gouge you on the ink, they're evil. Otherwise, they're not.

Re:Why are they doing it? - What to get instead? (1)

Alan Partridge (516639) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418084)

If the overall cost to you is reasonable, then I don't see anything inherently wrong with that business model. I'm an Epson inkjet user, and their charges seem reasonable to me considering the VERY high quality of my printer.

Re:Why are they doing it? - What to get instead? (2, Insightful)

ceeam (39911) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418009)

No. But Canon kinda comes close. In short - go to your shop and check out the cartridges costs. Go to Usenet and check out for how long do they last.

Re:Why are they doing it? (1)

Kartoch (38254) | more than 9 years ago | (#11417984)

What's next ?

Your printer must be connected to Internet. Each cartdrige has a uniq number. Best choice for customers, they can rent now the cardriges. The HP representative said: "it is the best for the the customers, to avoid copy of our best printer accessories. Furthermore, we will have the possibility to have a backup of all your printings..."

Re:Why are they doing it? (1)

Sonicated (515345) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418028)

If they claim they don't make money off region coding cartridges, why are they doing it? Sounds like bullshit to me.

They would argue that currently they are losing money from cheap imports so by region coding they are not making money, just not losing it anymore.

Re:Why are they doing it? (4, Insightful)

JaredOfEuropa (526365) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418082)

If they claim they don't make money off region coding cartridges, why are they doing it?
If the dollar drops against the euro, and we buy cartridges for the same euro amount, then HP gets more dollars. However, we can just buy cartridges in the US ourselves to take advantage of the strong euro, screwing HP out of their extra profit. Region coding takes care of that little loophole. Conversely, if the dollar becomes rather strong, we will not win out like HP claims. In that case, I suspect they raise the euro price of cartridges... they'll have to, since not doing so will eat directly into their normal profit margins.

So it's very simple: they want to pass off any disadvantages of the exchange rate to us customers, while pocketing the advantages. The first is only natural, but they can only get away with the second if they can prevent us from buying in the US.

Dollar rising (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11417930)

Sorry, the dollar will rise against the euro!?!?! When exactly? From where I'm looking, it looks like the current barmy US economic policy will see it sliding indefinately... say goodbye to buying oil with dollars.

Re:Dollar rising (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11417966)

I'll put that quote in the same file I have this quote:

"This economic boom fueled by the technology sector will never end. It's the beginning of a New Economy, and the cycles of bust and boom are forever gone."

Funny how long that lasted.

You're never on top forever. Be you America, Russia, or the European Union.

Well that depends.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11418085)

What year do you think it will be when all the Colbalt 60 from WWIII has seen 8 half-lives?

I, for one, welcome our new hyperinflating peso hoarding overloards.

This is anti-competitive (1)

doodlelogic (773522) | more than 9 years ago | (#11417934)

and probably illegal.

Besides, how do they mean consumers will benefit when the dollar rises against the euro? They'll just use that as an excuse to put prices up.

There is a mechanism for dealing with exchange-rate risk, hedging the currency market. This way smacks of profiteering.

Re:This is anti-competitive (1)

MoonFog (586818) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418012)

Well, DVD region codes still exists, is there any difference when it comes to a legal standpoint?

Re:This is anti-competitive (1)

popeydotcom (114724) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418032)

Maybe not legally.. but there's definately a difference. You'd throw away a cartridge after use (or maybe refill it if you're one of those cheapo-hippy types :P ) but a DVD you tend to keep and get used again and again..

Re:This is anti-competitive (1)

MoonFog (586818) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418046)

I know there's a phyiscal difference, but from a legal standpoint, they are both ways to control the market price. Now, they can up the price in Europe without having to see what the prices are like in the US and vice versa. How does a consumer "win"? And why is it more illegal than what is essentially done on DVD's?

Personally, I put printer vendors up there with Hitler or something..

Re:This is anti-competitive (1)

popeydotcom (114724) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418091)

Hmmm, they're not gassing people of a different race/ideology/religion, but they are making it more difficult for the consumer.. not *quite* hitler territory..

Re:This is anti-competitive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11418041)

In what sense would this be illegal? EU rulings would seem to support the right of companies to stop grey imports.

Dollar rising above euro (1)

zoney_ie (740061) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418063)

HAH! Hell will freeze over first! The euro only dipped below the dollar because there was no confidence in a new currency! Both the starting rate and current rates are WELL above the dollar!

FYI, 1 will theoretically buy you about $1.30 at present - i.e. $1 = 0.77

Even if the euro declined for an extended period, it would be at least a year if not more before we would see the dollar worth more than it!

Bah! They're a bunch of blood-sucking money-hungry capitalist pigs.

Buy a Canon printer then (1)

kt0157 (830611) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418064)

Canon usually use re-usable ink wells rather than junk-the-whole-thing cartridges. The printers cost a bit more (no cross subsidy from cartridge business?) but that's OK.

Punish HP where it hurts: cut off their revenue.

No winners here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11417935)

"...and that consumers will win once the US dollar rises over Euro."

I wasn't aware it was a competition. And what can we win anyway?

DRM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11417936)

DRM-equivalent hardware? Oh dear...

There is a probe by EC into this already (2, Interesting)

arivanov (12034) | more than 9 years ago | (#11417937)

Well, more material for the boys from Brussels. I guess HP is doing their best to break MSFT record for an EC fine.

Re:There is a probe by EC into this already (2, Insightful)

Seumas (6865) | more than 9 years ago | (#11417996)

Interesting how, when it comes to offshoring, it's "the market should dictate your value and worth as an employee, regardless of regional differences in costs of living" . . . Until it comes to the company's bottom line. Then they suddenly decide to handicap the whole game. What's good for the goose?

How Stupid? (2, Funny)

mr i want to go home (610257) | more than 9 years ago | (#11417938)

How stupid do the PR people for these companies think we are?

Consumers will win once the US dollar rises over Euro

Oh yes! I'm sure consumer in the US will be thrilled!

Re:How Stupid? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11418052)

"Consumers will win once the US dollar rises over Euro"

The smart money is on a further 30% reduction of the value of the dollar relative to the Euro over the next 2 to 3 years, and around 15% against a basket of world currencies.

I guess it didn't occure to you... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11418094)

That since everyone will be working in the service sector for their American Pesos, we'll only be using thermal printers.

Region Coding catridges better than CDs (1)

adityapk (841961) | more than 9 years ago | (#11417940)

It looks like a good idea to me. You really can't copy or in any way "hack" cartridges the way you can for CDs, and since HP is making the printers too, there is no question of an "all region code" printer Aditya

Re:Region Coding catridges better than CDs (1)

AndrewRUK (543993) | more than 9 years ago | (#11417972)

How is it a good idea (for anyone other that HP)? The sole purpose of this is to force people to pay more for the same products.

Re:Region Coding catridges better than CDs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11418002)

It is their idea, and they are the ones who will make the money. That's exactly why it is a good idea.

losign battle (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11417943)

"consumers will win once the US dollar rises over Euro"

So consumers will never win then?

once ... (2, Insightful)

DoktorTomoe (643004) | more than 9 years ago | (#11417945)

... once the US dollar rises over Euro

if the US dollar rises over the Euro

Seriously, is it ethically correct that 100ml ink is more expensive than 100ml insulin?

Re:once ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11417957)

I don't know about you, but charging as much for insulin as is charged for printer ink, THAT would be unethical.

Re:once ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11417961)

I think this fact is an attack against
the Social Security. Nuke the printer-lobby! *g*

Re:once ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11417999)

I think you meant "US Lira" ;)

Re:once ... (1)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418020)

No. Let's just raise insulin prices until it's more expensive than ink again!

Re:once ... (1)

Hansu (234247) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418095)

Seriously, is it ethically correct that 100ml ink is more expensive than 100ml insulin?

If you ask from someone with diabetes the answer might be yes

Re:once ... (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418101)

Is it ethically correct that two completely unrelated and different products have no price correlation? I shall leave you to decide the answer.

Import printers? (4, Interesting)

lintux (125434) | more than 9 years ago | (#11417949)

How are they going to prevent me from importing a printer together with the cartridges? Or will they find some neat software scheme in the driver to find out in which country the printer is being used?

Oh well, time to find a printer manufacturer with printers as their core business instead of selling printer ink for gold-prices.

Re:Import printers? (1)

AndrewRUK (543993) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418034)

How are they going to prevent me from importing a printer together with the cartridges?
They can make it more difficult for you with their power supplies. If you buy something that is designed to only accept 120V supplies (i.e. USA, Canada, and some others) and plug it into a 230V supply (most of the rest of the world, including Europe, ther Middle East, Australia, New Zeland) the likely effect will be it going *bang*.

Re:Import printers? (1)

TitanBL (637189) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418039)

"Oh well, time to find a printer manufacturer with printers as their core business instead of selling printer ink for gold-prices."

Ha. Good luck.

Re:Import printers? (2, Informative)

dmayle (200765) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418081)

Oh well, time to find a printer manufacturer with printers as their core business instead of selling printer ink for gold-prices.

Try Canon. I did my research because I was disgusted with all the crappy printer companies, and Canon is still doing it right. I recommend the i4000r. It prints out flawless photos, has networking built-in, and, if you live in Europe, also has a CD/DVD printer builtin. It's got two inputs (a tray, and a tilted slot, and even prints on both sides of the page. At 200 Euros, it's more expensive than your standard crappy printers, but the money you save in ink should more than make up for it.

...once... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11417952)

Maybe in four years or so... ;)
Only another way of the printer-industry
to bamboozle the credulous customers.

Motive?? (1)

Linker3000 (626634) | more than 9 years ago | (#11417956)


"We are not trying to make money on this"
So why have they bothered? Maybe they are just showcasing a new technology for us?? How nice - thank you HP!!

PSA: This only applies to you, if... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11417959)

...you are stupid enough to buy a HP printer in the first place.

Well... (2, Funny)

10101001011 (744876) | more than 9 years ago | (#11417962)

and that consumers will win once the US dollar rises over Euro."

So, I am never going to win?

It's just Lexmark all over again (1)

Skippy_kangaroo (850507) | more than 9 years ago | (#11417965)

Just wait until a company makes money circumventing the region coding - HP will sue and ...

???

3. Someone will profit

Re:It's just Lexmark all over again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11417990)

I know. sad isn't it.

" HP representative in Europe claims the company doesn't make any money off regional coding for cartridges, and that consumers will win once the US dollar rises over Euro."

Who are they joking? If this wasn;t about money they wouldn't be doing this in the first place.

Re:It's just Lexmark all over again (1)

10101001011 (744876) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418047)

Well, let us think about this logically:
1. To sue, you need a lawyer.
2. To go to court to answer the summons, you would likely want a lawyer (unless you have law experience).
3. When the juge throws the case out of court, you will need another lawyer (or the same one) to sue HP for the legal fees. You of course, will never see a penny as HP's lawyer would just hand over a check to your lawyer.

So what I am saying is, if anyone is going to win, it'll be the Australians..... you thought I was going to say lawyer, didn't you?

code my money (5, Funny)

zmollusc (763634) | more than 9 years ago | (#11417969)

I would like to region code my money so that it cannot be used outside my home country. What's that? currency exchanges? I am sorry, but by accepting my payment you agree to the EULA on my cheque which forbids you from exchanging, transferring or otherwise distributing my money. You can keep my money but cannot transfer it to someone else. I also have a huge list of restrictions on how you can store and play with my money. There, that's fair isn't it?

Re:code my money (1)

arivanov (12034) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418001)

Back to the USSR...

Globalisation (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11417970)

I love it when big companies want ALL the benefits of globalisation and none of the disadvantages.

I hope Canon doesn't follow this (1)

metricmusic (766303) | more than 9 years ago | (#11417973)

In Australia and Europe some of printers in the ipx range, such as the ipx3000, ipx4000 and the ipx5000, can print directly onto cds/dvds. Due to some copyright or patent issue the same model printers in the US have this feature disabled. Not only just in the firmware but there a extra slab of plastic on the front to prevent the cd from feeding into the printer. Want proof US owners? pull down the tray on your ipx 3000-5000 printer. you can still find the disc tray in there!

If Canon follows suit and region codes their cartridge (which would be a real shame since the ink in the canon ipx range are so cheap), then not only would Us residents have to import their printers to get full use of its features but they would also have to import the ink if they want to use genuine cartridges.

Protection by a driver? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11417975)

Hopefully they are not blocking at driver level.

There are some software which looks at region setting of the operating system itself (in case of Windows) and blocks anything other than appropriate region.

It is not that I haven't seen before.
Sony's NetMD/HiMD player had and still has problem of not allowing driver/software to install if system region is anything other than English (in case of the US market.)

Technical support called it a bug in the Microsoft software.

Mental note to self... (3, Insightful)

thrill12 (711899) | more than 9 years ago | (#11417982)

...buy Canon next time...
Buy Canon...

This'll also save me time from taping of my 40ml black cartridges to use on my HP Deskjet 970C, instead of the default 20ml ones...

Re:Mental note to self... (1)

Quattro Vezina (714892) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418031)

Except that Canon is outright hostile to Linux users [boycottcanon.com] .

Epson doesn't seem like a bad choice, however.

Better yet, don't buy a new printer unless you absolutely need to, and if you can, buy a used one somewhere. Only HP's newer stuff will be region-coded, and you'll probably save money buying used. My printer, an HP DeskJet 832C, is quite a few years old and is still kicking--these things are fairly durable.

Re:Mental note to self... (1)

ceeam (39911) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418083)

1) I dunno - last time I bought Canon it had Linux drivers in the box.
2) Epson's not a bad choice?! Well, if you are ok that it spits over a buck (IIRC) worth of ink every time it decides to clean the head...

Exchange Rate Controls (1)

new500 (128819) | more than 9 years ago | (#11417985)

. . .

Off the top of my head, and with no real data, I just see this as an attempt at implementing exchange rate controls.

HP is choosing to lock in an artifical rate, set effectivey by the disparity in localised prices.

But in reality, much of that disparity stems from stock inventory which has been bought and financed at historic exchange rates.

Not even large distributors can necessarily justify, manage or afford responsive hedeing programs.

Is this a return to the labarynthine export and exchange quotas of the 1970s, before the capital account was opened and rates floated freely?

Or is it more desperate, like the Exchange Rate Equalisation Tax that prevented US investors gaining a decent return from European investments?

But the net effect is to keep dollars in the US.

This seems to me to be at odds with the Petro - Dollar inflation that was engineered in the 70's (and led to technical mass bankruptcies in 1982, when Citibank was effectively bust) and which might be in play today. Then it was to balance huge trade deficits from OPEC oil price controls, now for a set of modern reasons such as the outsourcing of the manufacturing base to low wage countries.

Sorry, references left to reader excercise unless i get a for - real lunch break today.

In summary, i am impressed by a protectionist, political motivation for this move, and see how differential pricing could be enforced more widely to meet treasury dept. wishes.

Carly Runs For Office, I guess :) / :(

Anyhow, i no longer buy HP carts as mine all "timed out" before they were emptied, so in disgust i switched.

Happy hunting!

. . .

consumers are only in the US ? (2, Insightful)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 9 years ago | (#11417988)


As currency fluctuates there will *always* be winners and losers in this scheme.

One year it's cheaper to import ink from the US at their price, the next cheaper for USians to import EU ink.

What next? Region encoded GM rice ?

Re:consumers are only in the US ? (1)

Dougie Cool (848942) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418038)

Is USians short for United Statians?

Comsumers lose (4, Insightful)

Kjella (173770) | more than 9 years ago | (#11417991)

In the Wall Street Journal article HP representative in Europe claims (...) that consumers will win once the US dollar rises over Euro.

I call bullshit on this. You always introduce regions to make consumers pay more than before (in total), hence the consumers lose. Naturally, some customers pay less than others (how else could it be price discrimination), but overall that is simply false.

Kjella

Re:Comsumers lose (2, Insightful)

Asic Eng (193332) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418021)

The price will be set by supply and demand. If they use region coding it will limit the supply. There is no way for the customer to win, no matter what the exchange rate is.

Euro vs Dollar (1)

Tycho_Atreides (814306) | more than 9 years ago | (#11417992)

"...consumers will win once the US dollar rises over Euro." Yeah. Uh-huh. Id look forward to that maybe sometime in the 23rd century.

Printers are $50,-, let's bulk import them! (2, Interesting)

MavEtJu (241979) | more than 9 years ago | (#11417994)

Since printers are $50,- these days anyways, it's still cheaper to bulk import them from overseas and also get the overseas cartridges while we're at it.

Obligatory Simpsons quote (1)

Dr.Opveter (806649) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418003)

In the Wall Street Journal article HP representative in Europe claims the company doesn't make any money off regional coding for cartridges, and that consumers will win once the US dollar rises over Euro."

"Ha ha!" - Nelson Muntz

It's a swindle (1)

minus9 (106327) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418006)


Inkjet ink has got to be one of the biggest scams of recent times. No wonder spammers seem so enamored with it.

SOS - Big Corp steal Little Man $ (1)

MrAsstastic (851637) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418007)

My hair is falling out right now at the news of another Huge Company exorcising my comic book money right out from my coffee can buried in the backyard. Jiminy Christmas, we're all part and parcel when we arise from our graves and head out to our collective McJobs. Well, unfortunately the Mice got too smart and now they have discovered another angle to spirit away that dough. Trust Me, folks - The Giant Hamster Wheel is about to fall off the axle. Stick a barcode on me and mail me to Turkmenistan, but I'm taking my papyrus and india ink with me... and leaving my Hayche Pee carts here.

Today on hackaday.com (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11418008)

Today's article on hackaday.com
hack a hp ink cartridge's region code

Yesterday's feature
hack a lexmark ink cartridge's region code

Older:
-hack a Canon ink cartridge's region code
-hack a kyocera ink cartridge's region code
-hack a xerox ink cartridge's region code

FOOLS! its the OPPOSITE law (2005 is start of law) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11418015)

FOOLS! its the OPPOSITE law (2005 is start of law recently passed that prevents EU printers from not being able to accept 3rd party "recycled" cartridges)

the law was passed to "protect the environment" but the real motive was to allow cleap chinese printer carts.

too bad the us has no protections and DMCA crap made printer fiasco worse

this story is counterintuitive and incorrect

HP is doing this to make it possible to lock in AMERICAN market, not the euro market!!!!!

What they meant to say (1)

eclectro (227083) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418017)

consumers will win once the US dollar rises over Eueo

Which is code words for

"The people who buy our products are incredibly stupid schmucks that will buy anything we say."

The business is the cartridge (1)

ruipacheco.com (851641) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418019)

Most obviously HP, as with other printer makers, earns little (if any) money from SOHO printers... their business is actually the cartridges. As most companies don't actually use inkjets (at least consumer ones), printer makers just don't get serious opposition to this techniques.
That EUR/USD exchange thing is just the bad excuse...

You know... (2, Funny)

Slowleggs (604433) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418023)

this really inks me.

flying pigs (1)

realkiwi (23584) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418024)

And what is his take on flying pigs? This is HP saying to Euro clients "take trousers down and bend over, please".

hp (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11418033)

theres a simple answer to this. DONT BUY HP

And Orwell thought newspeak was ludicrous satire (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11418037)

It seems though HP is taking their business model from Hollywood execs, their spin machine is taken from politcal arsenal of Carl Rove et al.

First "doesn't make any money off regional coding for cartridges". All I need to say is if its not making money off of it, why exactly are they going to the trouble of implimenting this "feature" into their printers? Why do something thats going to add cost to your manufacture if there is no expectation of profit? Oh wait. It's because they are lying through their teeth. This is the way they can mantain their declining profits from the weak dollar by stiffing the export market.

Second of all "consumers will win once the US dollar rises over Euro." I would like to know what market fundamentals the guys at HP are looking at. Current account and federal deficit through the roof; federal, corporate and personal debt into the stratosphere; negative real interest rates; less than 1% personal savings; and unfunded entitlement programs up the ying yang. In what world does the Dollar appreciate at all against the Euro? The only thing propping up this whole basket is that foreigners keep buying our debt. But I have a feeling that this will change in the future if the fundamentals stay like this. . China, India, Russia, Japan and many other countires are moving a lot of their monetary reserves into the Euro as we speak. If this turns around quickly we enough we will have a fun situation. Then its your choice: Hyperinflation or Deflation for the dollar. Hell, even drug dealers aren't putting money into the US at the same rate. That new 500 euro is at lot easier to carry and their bond markets arent crap.

Sorry for the segue, but in conclusion, HP is full of shit.

New printers? (1)

Dougie Cool (848942) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418048)

New printers? I've got an HP printer that's more than two years old and it's still quite capable of printing out a photo on photo paper at good enough quality to put in an album. People might as well just buy old ones on ebay and let the gullible people buy the new ones and pay a lot for the cartridges.

mo3 down (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11418050)

In 10 years (0)

SpaghettiPattern (609814) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418055)

In 10 years even the politcians know this is a very bad form of market regulation. Some politcians know already but "common awareness" has to "grow" and hence nothing happens. In the mean time I'll stik with my HP LaserJet 5 which is not likely to break until the time down at 100 pages per year.

Dollar above the euro? (1)

wintaki (848851) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418056)

When the dollar rises above the Euro? What kind of crack are they smoking? Thats not going to happen - at least for a LONG time. How can they say that?

Yeah, right... (1)

Gadzinka (256729) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418059)

consumers will win once the US dollar rises over Euro

Yeah, right after pigs start flying.

Robert

An aggressive SELL tip, IMNSHO (1)

new500 (128819) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418062)

. . .

The company introduced region-coding on several printers in the summer so it won't have to keep altering prices to keep pace with currency movements, says Kim Holm, vice president for H-P's supplies business in Europe, the Middle East and Africa.

And i thought when Carly took over at HP she rolled out the worlds most sophisticated SAP system to integrate their whole supply chain?

You mean HP can't write a script in SAP Financials?

Geez, where's that calculator division when you need a 17BII handy. . . .

So they admit failure of their biggest management project outside of kicking out the founding families?

Sorry if it's not SAP, but i remember a big hullabaloo that management pitched to Wall Street. comp.os.vms chronicles it almost blow by blow.

So, as per my earlier thought, if this is not purely political, then management is in a real mess.

I just hope some analyst picks up on this in the next conference call and releases a note slamming the incompetance and misguided greed.

Such stupidity i almost couldn't care less.

Oh well, what can i do? :(

HP (1)

salesgeek (263995) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418071)

HP are monopolist wannabees. They aren't big enough to pull this off. They also have enough competition that it won't take long for buyers to wise up -- and with the price of printers so low (1000 for the color laser) and toner so high (750 for a full round of consumables) it's not like the economic incentive is there for people to stay locked into HP.

Carly is an idiot who is rearranging the furnitre on deck while the ship is taking on water from hitting an iceberg years ago.

Color laser printer? (1)

simp (25997) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418076)

According to froogle the cheap color laser printers are under 500,- now. Time to investigate what the price per page is for a color toner compared to a color inktjet...

Once again... (1)

z1d0v (789072) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418077)

... there's no coherency! It seems that the globalization is only useful for some things - to make the companies get a broader market (e.g. revenues) - so they tend to manipulate the market to give them only the advantages of it.

I just don't see the prices going down (for most articles) whenever they're affected by the euro/dollar relation in one way, but I do see prices going up whenever it happens the other way around...

It's like the deficit problem in the european countries. Germany,France and Greece seem to be unable to bring their country's budget deficit below a European Union limit, altough only Greece will be penalized! The rules are only for some, and that always favours who needs them the less.

What about the mantra of capitalism? (1)

D4C5CE (578304) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418080)

...and that consumers will win once... (the dollar, the weather, the aliens from outer space etc. - take your pick of conditions and excuses)
Wasn't the key tenet that we all stood to gain most from free rein for the IT industry (and low standards of protection against "hidden features" like these for the consumers?), free trade and globalisation, no matter what?
(Of course one could say "at least it's not anti-competitive", because with the manufacturers' de-facto monopolies on cartridges, competition in printer supplies is insignificant anyway...)

Translation (1)

Beolach (518512) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418086)

"HP representative in Europe claims the company doesn't make any money off regional coding for cartridges, and that consumers will win once the US dollar rises over Euro." Translation: Yes, we are screwing you, but hey, in while we'll screw somebody else!

Switch to a Xerox... (1)

stu_coates (156061) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418089)

I've got a Xerox Phaser 8200 [xerox.com] (now superceded by the 8400 [xerox.com] ) which would be virtually impossible to pull a "region code" trick on... the ink comes in solid blocks that just slot into the top of the printer - no cartridge at all, and no waste.

fuck you HP... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11418090)

all that will happen at Universities is that people won't buy new HP printers...

I mean do we have to crack our printer firmware to be region-free.

Piracy is next.... (1)

bananasfalklands (826472) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418096)

My region coding - this sounds like a job for 'dvd jon'

'Pirates' will also now doubt start hitting HP's bottom line - So look forward to the fbi raiding your house.

New software 'InkTorrent' ? anybody

once the US dollar rises over Euro.? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11418098)

Once the hell freezes over?

Apple, Dell, HP,... (1)

WaZiX (766733) | more than 9 years ago | (#11418099)

There seems to be a trend going on here, basically everything computer related is less expensive in the States then in Europe. No wonder everytime i go to the US i have to bring back 5 iPods, 3 wireless routers, 5 wifi PCMIA cards, 2 cameras and even DVD-RW's! Yes, DVD-RWs are hugely expensive here (at least in Belgium) because we have to pay a 0.49 euros tax on each and every single one of them! I love Europe and all, but why are our governements intentionnally restricting their citizens of technological advancement? I mean OK HP is playing a dirty trick here, but cartridges were ALWAYS much more expensive in Europe, this is nothing new and wont change a damn thing. It about time the european parliament stops worrying about wether or not to put the Catholic dogma in the constitution and start doing something constructive for the EU.

Hopefully they'll understand sometimes in this millenium that taxing Technology will only make us trail behind behind the US. They are so obsessed with debating on useless details over the constitution that they forgot what the EU was all about: CREATING A STRONG ECONOMIC UNION!
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