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A Countdown To Global Catastrophe?

Hemos posted more than 9 years ago | from the you-said-crossing-the-streams-was-bad dept.

Science 1403

An anonymous reader writes "From The Independent: The global warming danger threshold for the world is clearly marked for the first time in an international report to be published tomorrow - and the bad news is, the world has nearly reached it already. For the full story, see this article."

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fP! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455120)

I OWNZ j00! w00t

Re:fP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455129)

liar.

Venkman said it best: (5, Funny)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455122)

Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions. Mayor: What do you mean, biblical?
Ray: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor... real Wrath-of-God-type stuff. Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies.
Venkman: Rivers and seas boiling!
Egon: 40 years of darkness, earthquakes, volcanos. Winston:The dead rising from the grave!
Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats, living together... mass hysteria!

Re:Venkman said it best: (2, Funny)

WickWickWack (843240) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455139)

Can't wait for the free marshmallow...

winston zeddemore (3, Funny)

millahtime (710421) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455233)

Winston:.... since I've been with these guys I've seen $h1t that'll turn you white.

Is it time to (3, Funny)

Enigma_Man (756516) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455125)

start the looting yet?

-Jesse

Re:Is it time to start looting? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455158)

"For the full store, see this article."

Apparently so.

Since we've already reached the threshold... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455126)

I'm buying a Hummer!

(The SUV, you pervs)

Re:Since we've already reached the threshold... (2, Funny)

leon.gandalf (752828) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455193)

Then that would be GETTING a HUMMER....

Re:Since we've already reached the threshold... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455260)

Perhaps a boat would be more appropriate.

Original Study? (5, Insightful)

The Snowman (116231) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455131)

The possibility of changes to the world's ocean currents is a very real possibility, and could have catastrophic consequences. However, they are not irreversable. I have read reports citing the fact that these currents have cycles, where every 10 or 20 thousand years they shut off, only to restart a century or two later. Yes, that would be catastrophic to us, but not to the planet. Hell, it survived a fiery birth, multiple major meteor impacts, magnetic pole reversals, caldera supervolanoes, et al. and the planet is still around. We might not be around later, but good ol' Earth sure will be.

Does anyone have a link to the actual report? This article just sounds like more scare mongering and dumbing down. As always, the devil is in the details, I want to see the details.

Re:Original Study? (1)

cwebb1977 (650175) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455166)

Nicely said. And all this warming and current-changing would even happen without us being here.

Re:Original Study? (3, Funny)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455184)

Does anyone have a link to the actual report?

Just search scholar.google.com for Dr. Chick N. Little...

Re:Original Study? (1, Funny)

tcopeland (32225) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455227)

> Dr. Chick N. Little

He's being sued by my law firm - Dewey, Cheatem, and Howe.

Re:Original Study? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455372)

??. I dont get it.

Re:Original Study? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455220)

We might not be around later, but good ol' Earth sure will be.

but we do have a choice in our destiny, if you see a cliff in front of you do you keep driving ?

Re:Original Study? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455338)

Depends on what your driving.

Re:Original Study? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455246)

SCO has a supervolcano???

Linux most get a bigger super duper volcano, we can not have a supervolcano gap!!!

Key point: it's not the planet, it's us (5, Insightful)

ianscot (591483) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455289)

Yes, that would be catastrophic to us, but not to the planet.

You just touched on the colossal, huge, central point that virtually every dimisser of global warming fails to "get." It's not that the world won't survive. Life on earth has survived, and thrived, at higher global temperatures than we have now. It's just that, when major transitions occur, the dominant forms of life do not remain dominant. And that would mean us.

This ain't about hugging spotted owls. It's not about whether Sandhill cranes have a place to roost on their way north in the spring. The debate's about our survival. When we read:

...could include widespread agricultural failure, water shortages and major droughts, increased disease, sea-level rise and the death of forests - with the added possibility of abrupt catastrophic events such as "runaway" global warming, the melting of the Greenland ice sheet, or the switching-off of the Gulf Stream.

Those are serious risks. Any *one* of those would stand a considerable risk of destabilizing the world as we know it. Imagine a Pakistan, armed with nuclear weapons as it is, whose politics were affected by a massive drought. That's the easiest thing to predict in the world; climate change precipitated the Mfcane, which set loose a huge migration of people in southern Africa, which in turn had a lot to do with the military dictatorship of Shaka Zulu. Governments, in a state of global climate change, would be made drastically unstable.

The risk of nuclear war, during the cold war, was not a certainty -- it was a risk. We spent untold resources to address that risk, on both sides. The question is, how much do we commit to addressing this one? When an overwhelming majority of scientific opinion is playing the role of Cassandra, how seriously do you take the possible tragedy?

Re:Original Study? (1, Funny)

Ctrl-Z (28806) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455293)

Does anyone have a link to the actual report?

From the summary: The global warming danger threshold for the world is clearly marked for the first time in an international report to be published tomorrow ...

Re:Original Study? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455314)

he article clearly states that the report will be released tomorrow. However, the report is likely a summary of fairly well known and accepted science (accepted by the people who pay attention to climate) most of which is publicly available. The new part is how they quantify the future effects, which of course will be imprecise, but we must try and quantify this stuff if we are going to get anyone to stop making as much CO2 as they please.

We've been in a warming trend (2, Interesting)

night_flyer (453866) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455136)

since the Ice Age...

So 10,000 years ago the world was covered in ice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455161)

And it's still warming up?

Imagine that.

(... must fight groupthink .... damn, i'm losing....)

Shit on you, you capitalist pig. It's George W. Bush's fault!

Re:We've been in a warming trend (1)

TedCheshireAcad (311748) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455337)

What you don't know is that this media buzz is all created by NERF and funded by George Morton - who ends up helping to battle the evil ELF all over the world.

Funny thing is, I just finished reading State of Fear yesterday.

nota bad thing (1, Funny)

millahtime (710421) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455141)

I live in Michigan, US. I want global warming about now. It's about 0 degrees here. The sensor in my tire froze and broke now saying my car has low air pressure in the tires. I step out side and feel my noze hair freeze. BRING ON THE GLOBAL WAMING!!!!!! I need to thaw out.

Re:nota bad thing (1)

Spl0it (541008) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455232)

Unless it's below -50degress celcius then you have no reason to complain. It's just a little cold weather...

Spl0it - you're neighbour to the north (Ontario sitting at -15deg. currently)

Re:nota bad thing (1)

savagedome (742194) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455241)

I step out side and feel my noze hair freeze

That's a little too much detail.

Warm... (1)

Jaruzel (804522) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455142)

Is it me...or is it hot in here?

Everyone sing now.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455235)

"This is the dawning of the
Age of Hysteria,
The Age of Hysteria"

The Earth has survived very well without us pesky humans, and will continue to do so long after we are gone. Let's all grab Michael Moore for a group hug.

Now what? (2, Insightful)

Dr.Opveter (806649) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455146)

I thought we already knew we're too late fixing things up, plus some of the countries that polute the most don't really want to do much about all this anyway. Better rake in the profit before we all perish. Really, is there anything that can be done?

stupid tsunami (1)

spoonyfork (23307) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455150)

Warming? Warming?! We've had record cold temps (currently 14F) plus I just shovelled over a foot of snow Saturday and we're warming? We need a better phrase please. It maybe warmer somewhere else but not here.

Re:stupid tsunami (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455202)

That's why they call it global warming... The global mean is rising.

Re:stupid tsunami (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455275)

Need to differentiate between weather, short-term daily effects, versus climate, the long-term trends.

Re:stupid tsunami (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455276)

You must live in Buffalo, I salute you for braving the weather my fellow New Yorker!

Re:stupid tsunami (5, Informative)

scatalogical (609339) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455330)

Global warming states that the maxima of BOTH hot and cold will increase. Nice to see people are too ignorant to even know what the actual theory is.

Big Deal.. (0, Troll)

trisight (306703) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455153)

There is always some type of disaster that is "going" to happen. It's all propoganda just to keep everyone frightened into doing whatever it is the flavor of the month wants you to do. Here's an idea, let's just live .. because when the time comes to die, you will.

And quite frankly, when that time comes .. big deal.. death is the completion of life in whatever form it may take.

Stop worrying about every little thing that can kill you and start living..

This isn't about you. (5, Insightful)

khasim (1285) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455226)

There is always some type of disaster that is "going" to happen. It's all propoganda just to keep everyone frightened into doing whatever it is the flavor of the month wants you to do. Here's an idea, let's just live .. because when the time comes to die, you will.
And that was mod'ed "Insightful"?

This isn't about you or your death.

This is about leaving the planet in a habitable condition for the next generation.

Or do you also suck on loaded revolvers because "when that time comes .. big deal.. death is the completion of life in whatever form it may take"?

Re:This isn't about you. (1)

trisight (306703) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455271)

I don't huddle inside of my room waiting for the terrorist level to go down .. do you? Then why do you worry so much about something that keeps getting thrown up on the news every time you turn around? I've been hearing this crap all my life..

Re:Big Deal.. (5, Insightful)

The Snowman (116231) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455236)

Stop worrying about every little thing that can kill you and start living.

Yes, but I want my son to live, and his son, and his son...

The environmentalists and some politicians may be a bit extreme to either side, but I think the issue is worth taking a closer look at... for my great great great grandchildren's sake.

Re:Big Deal.. (1)

mauddib~ (126018) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455252)

Sure, when you and me are in a twin-seat airplane, we make a deal that I will take the only available parachute and you'll just accept that there is such a thing as survival of the fittest.

Re:Big Deal.. (1)

Twanfox (185252) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455327)

But what if I want my children to have the chance to 'just live'? Hey, no reason to care about that, because I'm just living now. Hey, no reason to worry that the millions of gallons of toxic waste I just dumped in my local lake. I'm just living. Nevermind that I just slaughtered our local ecosystem and kicked off a water shortage because everything around me became contaminated.

While there may always be some kind of disaster, is there really a reason to carelessly bring about one upon ourselves? Are we really that stupid, as a species, that we're willing to kill ourselves off because all we want to do is 'just live'? If that's the case, then perhaps this universe is better off without us, stupid, paranoid, ignorant, and arrogant as we are.

Bullshit (-1, Troll)

georgenfrank (461654) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455154)

That is all.

WND has an interesting take on this (2, Informative)

wadestock (666421) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455155)

Re:WND has an interesting take on this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455247)

Climate science is morally equivalent to Nazism? That's over the edge, even for a collection of paleo mouth-breathers like WorldNetDaily.

Right said ! (1)

thrill12 (711899) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455248)

Lets round up all the tree-huggers' while shouting "Yeehaah", wearing a big cowboy hat, and chewing tobacco, i'll start off with this slightly altered citation to get you in the mood:

Now look boys, I ain't much of a hand at makin' speeches. But I got a pretty fair idea that something doggoned important's going on back there. And I got a fair idea of the kind of personal emotions that some of you fella's may be thinking. Heck, I reckon you wouldn't even be human beings if you didn't have some pretty strong personal feelings about global warming. But I want you to remember one thing, the folks back home is a countin' on ya, and by golly we ain't about to let 'em down. Tell you somethin' else. This thing turns out to be half as important is I figure it just might be, I'd say that you're all in line for some important promotions and personal citations when this thing's over with. That goes for every last one of you, regardless of your race, color, or your creed. Now, let's get this thing on the hump.

Re:WND has an interesting take on this (2, Interesting)

MinotaurUK (763706) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455287)

Bloody hell, there's some serious conservative politics slanting that article. I guess it's kinda like the folks who claim there's no proven link between HIV and AIDS, or the cigarette companies claiming there's no proven link to common cancers.

As with everything - the truth probably lies somewhere between the Independent's article and the one above, though in my experience (and I have read the Independent on and off for the last 15 years) they generally are pretty centrist politically.

WND shill game (2, Informative)

KontinMonet (737319) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455324)

Should be called: CorporateCrapDaily [tripod.com]

Re:WND has an interesting take on this (2, Interesting)

wild_berry (448019) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455341)

Funny that Kyoto got ignored by the States when everyone bent over backwards to accommodate the wishes of the US State department.

And to have Putin's personal economic advisor slander the people who put Russia up to Kyoto, led by Tony Blair, with "bribes, blackmail and murder threats" sounds utterly fictitious (unless they were able the possibility that not making a difference now threatens your livelihood, children and very life itself...). I think that's just someone who doesn't want their ways to be curtailed by concern for the environment.

That's basically what it says the US don't want either. I refuse to believe GWB's claim that there are enough forests in the USA to cope with the US production of carbon emissions (a whole quarter of world output!), and so think that something needs to be done.

Global Warming isn't a cover for robbing people of private enterprise today, it's got to be about being alive and able to continue to produce and sell tomorrow and in our childrens' lifetimes. Isn't that a good reason to go light on the resources we have today so there's something for tomorrow?

Re:WND has an interesting take on this (4, Funny)

brainstyle (752879) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455370)

From the link:

'Global warming' hype reaches fever pitch But critics doubting data compare ideology behind movement to Communism, Nazism

Man, they don't get past the sub-header before invoking Godwin's law. Now that's good journalism!

Global Warming? (1)

Suit_N_Tie (128024) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455160)

I would welcome it, since it has been -40C here(with the wind chill factored in) in Ottawa, Canada, for the past couple of weeks!

Already Flipped (4, Interesting)

SerpentMage (13390) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455162)

I was reading National Geographic and they were talking about climate change. One of their opinions was that climate change is already underway. Essentially the switch was flipped some fifty or so years ago.

They also said that climate change happens and that's a fact of life. For example the downfall of the Egyptian empire was partially due to a massive warm spell that caused crops to fail and deserts to form. Ironically the article pointed out that there were no cars at that time.

Re:Already Flipped (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455201)

Getting a lecture from someone who doesn't even know what the word 'ironic' means?

No thanks.

Watch the American naysayers come out (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455164)


because billions of dollars of oil/car industry brainwashing dollars can't be wrong

Re:Watch the American naysayers come out (-1, Troll)

northcat (827059) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455328)

Idiots call global warming an opinion while it's a fact. Some guy comes on slashdot and tells the truth. He gets modded as flamebait while the idiots get modded +5 interesting. I'm convinced, there is no place for truth on slashdot. [I've never heard a non-american say that global warming is not happening.]

No brainwashing here, jerk (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455331)

I didn't learn that this was all junk science from oil industry propaganda. I saw this on the O'Reilly Factor and it had SCIENTISTS and EXPERTS on it saying that this was all bunk.

Also, I saw a special Hannity and Colmes did on it and Sean Hannity proved that this was all a Democrat conspiracy.

So maybe YOU just need to do a little research, my friend.

I am tired (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455171)

I am getting so tired of this junk science. The world has been coming to an end for my entire 40+ years on this planet. Nothing has happened yet. Ain't going to happen either.

Why has it better getting progressively colder over the past 20 years in places like Russia and China?

Let's start worrying about REAL threats like UFOs and Pumpkinhead.

Re:I am tired (1)

trisight (306703) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455191)

Maybe /. should get a new graphic for these kinda topics.. the graphic could be that guy with crazy hair that is naked except for the two boards held together with rope on the shoulders that has painted on it "The End is Neigh!"

Re:I am tired (1)

andersa (687550) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455339)

Well except for the last statement, I couldn't agree more. Lets have a look at who these so-called experts really are..

The countdown to climate-change catastrophe is spelt out by a task force of senior politicians, business leaders and academics from around the world - and it is remarkably brief. In as little as 10 years, or even less, their report indicates, the point of no return with global warming may have been reached.

So? Now politicians and financial advisors are experts on climate changes?

You might as well ask Uri Geller what he thinks the weather is going to be like...

Pffsst..

just a natural occurnance... (0)

Jeffery (810339) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455176)

i hate it when doomday-sayers come out saying "oh my god the worlds gonna end!!". just like the unfortunate earthquake, and resulting tsunami, these sort of things is a natural earth occurance. do you know that we're still coming out of our last ice age that didn't happen really all too long ago? and if global warming is such a huge problem, why are some places here in texas having record lows on some days this year? if global warming is such a huge thing that's just gonna kill human civilization, why arn't we having record highs??? this is simply the earth taking it's own lifecycle, we're just along for the ride. WE have to learn to adapt and change for the planet, cause i doubt we're gonna make any difference in it's plans. my 2 cents.

Re:just a natural occurnance... (1)

The_Mr_Flibble (738358) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455305)

Hmm maybe we're all going to adapt to the changing weather patterns after all it's what we do. (If or when the climate does change in a serious way). However after reading things like this I can't help but wander around the office and sing the doom song.

Re:just a natural occurnance... (4, Insightful)

hcdejong (561314) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455312)

If you define "we" to include more than "Texas" (hard to do, I know, just take a deep breath and face the fact that Yessirreebob, there's folks livin' beyond them thar hills), then yes, "we" did have record highs last year. In N-W Europe, 2004 was one of the warmest years in a century. Not only that, in 1994-2004 8 out of 10 years were warmer than usual.
And the earth may have a climatic cycle of its own, but this time we're helping it along. You can debate the extent of our influence, but just assuming that extent is 0% and adopting an "Après moi la déluge" attitude is Just Plain Dumb.

Nothing will change (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455186)

a Swedish scientist was warning about global warming in the early 20th century. Nobody did anything then, nothing meaningful is being done now. Nothing meaningful will be done until literally hundreds of millions or billions of people are killed. The world economic system is too narrowly focused in objectives to have people work for the wider good unless all individuals' survival is directly and personally threatened.

No problem... (1)

Sierpinski (266120) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455192)

After watching Waterworld, I know now that all I have to do after all the icebergs melt is just sprout gills and keep as many 'chits' as I can.

Oh, I almost forgot. Tomato plants, and a urine-to-water distiller might be handy as well.

Re:No problem... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455273)

You WATCHED Waterworld? Even to the end?! And admit it publically?! Oh, the heat's getting to him...

Big $$$ industry is worth more than the planet (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455200)

More conclusive evidence, and still Bush refuses to sign up to Kyoto. Now it's just a matter of which will destroy the planet first ... American wars of conquest or American pollution.

Re:Big $$$ industry is worth more than the planet (1)

trisight (306703) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455223)

Please don't even talk about pollution if you are from England.. I'm sick of all this anti-american crap..

Re:Big $$$ industry is worth more than the planet (0)

koi88 (640490) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455350)


More conclusive evidence, and still Bush refuses to sign up to Kyoto. Now it's just a matter of which will destroy the planet first ... American wars of conquest or American pollution.

Haven't you read on FOXnews that there's nothing to worry about?
Apparently, the whole global warming-thing is just hyped by the U.N. [foxnews.com] Because they want to destroy the American economy. Bad guys. We can be glad that GWB doesn't give a shXXX uh, isn't so easily confused by science.

There goes my karma...

Global Warming...Global Schmarming (2, Insightful)

LegendOfLink (574790) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455204)

We are arrogant, mankind is, to think that because of a half-century of climate fluctuations, that we are all going to die tomorrow. Please, the climate has been changing in HUGE ways for much longer than the life-span of a human being.

Global Warming is alarmism, coming from political agendas of people who want attention. Remember how we all laughed at those people who purchased electric generators and resurrected old bomb shelters for the Y2K scare?

We'll meet again (1)

thrill12 (711899) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455346)

In 2039, when the bit flips [iee.org] !

Re:Global Warming...Global Schmarming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455368)

Fucking right wing loonies.

Too little, too late (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455209)

The report urges all the G8 countries to agree to generate a quarter of their electricity from renewable sources by 2025, and to double their research spending on low-carbon energy technologies by 2010. It also calls on the G8 to form a climate group with leading developing nations such as India and China, which have big and growing CO2 emissions.

Unfortunately the people who benefit the most from the current environtmentally unfriendly energy sources are the same people who are in power today (G. W. Bush), so there is a real incentive for them to just sit tight and block any such initiatives from having a real effect. The need for energy is only increasing and most people will keep ignoring this whole disaster scenario until it actually happens.

will Bush understand it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455210)

I wonder if the paper is written simple enough for people like our president to comprehend it. Perhaps someone can read it and explain it to him so next time the UN and the international community asks him to adhere to the Kyoto Protocol he knows what they are talking about.

The last thing the Green/Peace movement predicted (1)

gelfling (6534) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455213)

Was that nearly all of us would survive.

Unfortunately, no surprise here. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455218)

Climate scientists are long resigned to the fact that, having increased CO2 levels through anthropogenic forcing, we really aren't prepared to stop the processes thus initiated. The fact is that our policies and technologies are woefully inadequate to handle what's going to happen.

This doesn't mean we shouldn't work to slow the release of CO2 into the atmosphere, since continued efforts in that direction will probably (absent a "runaway Earth" scenario) have a measurable effect on climate changes. Emergent carbon sequestration technologies also offer promise, but we're in the very early stages, and beneficial effects from those technologies would also lag behind implementation.

The nature of this panel, which includes Republican politicians as well as climate scientists, may mean that it gives added credibility to the problem we're facing. But there's nothing really "new" about this report, except that it makes explicit to the public the fact that we've stepped over the threshold of climate change.

No need to worry (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455222)

Bush said God will take care of it. /sarcasm

Where am I? (1)

FlimFlamboyant (804293) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455228)

In case you're having difficulty making the distinction any more, the Greenpeace website is over here [greenpeace.org] .

I thought it was Global Cooling (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455234)

Am I the only one who remembers being taught in grade school (circa 1970s) that we were headed for the next ice age?

What happened?

Re:I thought it was Global Cooling (1, Insightful)

Anita Coney (648748) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455309)

Every generation needs to have an irrational fear. I wonder what the next generation's fear will be. I'm guessing it'll be a fear of weather stasis.

Would explain... (1)

cheezemonkhai (638797) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455244)

Why my damn Dell Inspiron keeps melting it's base :(

Head in the sand... (5, Insightful)

Undefined Tag (750722) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455257)

What I don't understand about this issue are the arguments against doing something to resolve the problem. They seem to be:
1) We're in a warming cycle/trend and this problem is not our fault.
2) The earth will survive the warming.
3) The problem is not as bad as people say.

Given that the earth is warming, and that this warming will cause catastrophes in excess of anything we've seen, shouldn't we be trying to do something about it? Does it matter if it's caused by us or something else? Does it matter if the problems will arrive in 100 years or 1,000 years?

If we see a clear path to fixing a problem that could save millions of lives, shouldn't we do that?

This whole thing seems like a server admin arguing against doing system backups. Sure, they *might* not be necessary, what what sane person doesn't do them?

In honor of Sam Kinison... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455263)

If the climate changes and the place you live in turns to desert, rent a U-Haul and move!

Cuz we got deserts in the USA, too. We just don't live in 'em!

ok... (1)

TRIEventHorizon (744457) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455272)

And i hope we reach this 'point' because when nothing happens, it will back fire into the globalist control freaks faces and the enviromentalist henchmen working for them. :D

MOD ME DOWN, GOTTA LOVE TERRABLE CARMA W00T!!!

Whadda-we-do-now?? (-1, Troll)

DrVikarius (775244) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455278)

Driving down the Thruway into NYC one finds oneself in absolute RIVERS of cars & trucks, trains going by, planes zooming overhead. And they're gonna run all this on solar and wind power?? Give.. me.. a.. break... (maybe the vegans ARE right. We should all hurry up and learn to live in grass huts and eat the same). Yummy.

I for one welcome change. (5, Funny)

Lifereaper0 (850920) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455285)

I think we need a good end of the world situation. I look forward to leading hordes of bad people in the search for pleasure. I plan on wearing a cool mask and driving a highly tuned car o' death while screaming "Give Me Your Oil!!"...but that's just me.

Glad to see it is an EXPERT task force (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455286)

"The countdown to climate-change catastrophe is spelt out by a task force of senior politicians, business leaders and academics from around the world."

Obviously being a politician or business leader qualifies you for all sorts of fear mongering.

junk science and environmentalists (4, Informative)

havaloc (50551) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455294)

From tsunami [indiatimes.com] to Kyoto not impacting the environment at all [cnsnews.com] to dropping emissions [epa.gov] , to overblown disaster movies [clickability.com] , scientists resigning various environmental organizations [colorado.edu] , and other speeches [senate.gov] . People are even connecting the environment [episcopalchurch.org] to the tsunamis, which have nothing to do with the environment, and everything to do with Earthquakes that are going to happen anyway. Lets get some perspective here.

The truth is out there (-1, Offtopic)

mariox19 (632969) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455295)

Is the global warming doomsday before or after the alien invasion Mulder warned us all about?

erm.. (1)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455296)

Global warming has no exact dates to put on it, many people say many different things. I've watched several documentries (AKA the kind at 2am with real science, not just some cooking show presenter looking for a new job explaining stuff he doesn't understand). Some said the effects are far worse and being reversed, others have said it's not even real.

Either way we're not knowledgable enough on the subject to give an exact date of "when we're all fucked". But then again nuclear power is a cure for the problem (alot of people agree with this), it's just a shame no one will just come out and say "We're going to try it again". You'd think by now they'd stop signing agreements no one is sticking to (Exception America, but in a bad way).

Minor nuclear accident VS the world being screwed over and the human race and MANY animals dying.

Looks like we'll be seeing three eyed fish or nothing but fish..

blech... (4, Insightful)

LetterRip (30937) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455301)

It sounds like the newspaper writer is making statements far beyond what the report says.

This happens all the time, the journalist misreads (or overinterprets) the report, makes irresponsible claims and statements supposedly based on the report, which inevitably results in the authors of the report being accussed of alarmism by pundits.

Which means the general populace gets bad information all around, and the zealous individuals of the 'right' and 'left' continue to feel they are vindicated in their opinions on global warming and how the 'other side' are ignoring the obvious truth.

LetterRip

FUD (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455313)

The world has been warming since the end of the Little Ice Age ca. 1850. Carbon dioxide levels have been rising since then due to industrialization. Post hoc ergo propter hoc is a logical fallacy. What about global dimming, it was all the rage last week?!

Burning fossile fuels will not stop (1)

Frans Faase (648933) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455318)

Apart from the question if the climate change is real, people all over the world will just continue to burn fossile fuels as long as they are the cheapest form of energy available to them. And it seems that this will still be the fact for a very long time. History has learned that it is natural to regard the short-time effects (food and comfort) more important then the long-term effects (climate change in 50 years from now).

not to worry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11455320)

Don't worry, Our Fuhrer [prisonplanet.com] will protect us.

At least... (0)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455323)

With luck, draughts and all that will at least mean we'll have to put up with less bushes. :)

on the bright side... (1)

pizza_milkshake (580452) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455343)

the field of meteorology will become much more interesting.

that is until we hit an ice age and the field of meteorolgy becomes much less interesting

A Nod To Douglas Adams..... (1, Funny)

BRock97 (17460) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455358)

And it breaks new ground by putting a figure - for the first time in such a high-level document - on the danger point of global warming...

And that figure is.... 42.

Well... (1)

Netsensei (838071) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455360)

As long as it is just precious yet unkown and therefore undervalued ecosystems with endangered species and third world countries that owe big sums of money to us... we should't care too much.

Now, I feel like takin' a drive with my whoop-ass humvee, spilling several liters of gas and producing some extra CO2 gas just so I can get a McDonalds - who happens to sponsor deforrestation - happy meal.
Call me cynical but I don't think things will get better very soon.

Global warming is not caused by humans, and . . (2, Insightful)

proclivity76 (755220) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455364)

. . . there's absolutely nothing we can do about it. The earth has been warming and cooling for hundreds of years. The earth warms and cools on documented cycles of the sun. The earth has never stopped changing, and expecting it to be stable just because we think it "should be" is ludicrous. Stop listening to the moronic press who don't know how to use their cell phones, let alone try to understand the flawed methodologies of studies by ideological driven scientists whose jobs would disappear the day we all finally put our foots down and say, "STFU. We don't believe you." Back in the early 80's I did a science report on what some magazines had printed as the eminent global warming that would cause NYC to be 4 feet under water by 2004. They said the damage was irreversible and we needed to prepare for disaster. Well, it's 2005 and the only thing NYC is under right now is 2 feet of SNOW! Before the '80s the buzz in the press was global cooling. Recently Slashdot had a story on global dimming. Which is it??? At what point do we finally call "BS" on these a-holes that keep duping our governments into spending more money on studies (wasting millions) and wasting our broadcast time with pointless interviews done by reporters who don't understand the periodic table, but love dramatic, apocalyptic stories?

Freak Weather an Explanation too? (4, Insightful)

failedlogic (627314) | more than 9 years ago | (#11455367)

I live in Halifax, N.S. Canada for 10 years. In the 10 years since I've left, there's been record snowfalls for 3 years ... so much I never would have imagined. Also, hurricanes have been striking with increasing devastation whereas the cold water of the Atlantic usually diminished the hurricane significantly.

California and Vancover have been having record rainfalls (each over 600 mm in a week). There's flooding and landslides.

So far, to me, it sounds a bit like freak weather we get every 50 years or so. If this is a sign of what's to come, due to global warming we're in for a rude wake up call.

What's worse: the brunt of the pollution stems from North American and European industrialization. I cannot image what would happen if India or China had a 2 or 3 car family (let alone, the emerging trend of one car as income increases).

With the increase in industrialization of many countries (in part because of consumer culture) and also because of economic expansion and the lower cost of the automobile (namely, in India and China) what can we do to help stop, slow down or perhaps (if possible?) reverse this trend?
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