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Firefox Lead Now Working For Google

michael posted more than 8 years ago | from the speculate-all-you-want-we'll-make-more dept.

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zmarties writes "In a very low key announcement on his blog, Ben Goodger, lead developer for Firefox, has announce that effective from a couple of weeks ago, he has become a Google employee. In practice his day to day job won't change that much, in that he will still lead Firefox through its forthcoming releases, but with Google paying his wages, we can be sure that new and interesting overlap between the Mozilla Foundation's browsers and Google's services are sure to develop."

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Maybe he was just bitter (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11461946)

About all the press coverage Blake Ross has been getting for Firefox... ABC, Wired, the Playgirl spread, etc.

All this google good news (4, Interesting)

mishmash (585101) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462003)

With the string of announcements of smart moves over the last few days why is the share price [google.com] not soaring?

Re:All this google good news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11462026)

It was overvalued to start?

Re:All this google good news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11462027)

because investors are bored of google

Re:All this google good news (5, Insightful)

FrYGuY101 (770432) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462063)

Because, while it may be good news to geeks, these are news announcements in a business sense. This is operational news which happens to enthrall geeks.

Since Google is first and foremost an Advertisement company, the news which will primarily drive their stock price will revolve around advertisement rates and demand, as well as the customary profit margins, revenues and such.

Re:All this google good news (3, Interesting)

PureCreditor (300490) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462124)

Investors are not COMPLETE idiots. After the initial hype, people will settle down, and at $200 a share, few other than institutional investors would consider GOOG.

However, with all the hype piled up on Google, and when it's trading at a P/E larger than 100, institutional investors will have a LOT of explaining to do on their proforma on why they invested in GOOG in the first place.

eBay already tanked 18% upon a single quarterly earnings report, and eBay was only trading at maybe P/E of 110.

Re:All this google good news (1)

wdavies (163941) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462222)

People are getting scared of the end of lockup price drop, and lots of shares arent doing well anyways.

Frosty Piss! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11461949)

A warm frosty piss for all my snowmen.

VIOLATED TRUST PART 2: PAINFUL DAWN (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11461950)

It was early dawn, when Frodo finally awoke. His whole body ached with pain; especially in his tender, inner thigh area. The soreness existed both inside and out, it was unlike any pain he had experienced before. Remembering what had happened during the terrible night, caused the hobbit to break out in cold shivers. He still couldn't believe it! How could Aragorn have done such an awful thing? The man had sworn to protect him with his life! He was the one and only Ringbearer, for godsake! Why did it happen? Frodo was so confused and angry, he knew he would have to find the answers...but that would mean having to confront the very man who had brutally attacked him! Frodo didn't know how to approach the ranger, or whether or not he would even have the courage. But still, the hobbit knew he'd have to try--no matter what the cost. Wearily, he slowly crawled out of bed (leaving behind bloodstained covers) and headed towards a large, round bowl set upon a small table. He dipped a nearby rag into the water-filled bowl and began washing himself off; paying extra close attention to his inner thigh area-- which was crusty with dried semen and blood. Once he had finished cleaning himself off, he quickly dressed and left the room.

Outside the inn, the fresh air was cool and crisp; lingering with a sweet scent. The sky was a beautiful combination of gold, pink, and lavender. Tiny beads of dew were still visible upon the damp ground. Everything seemed so alive and new.

Frodo found his way to the other members of the Fellowship, who were waiting to greet him.

"Good morning, Frodo" said Sam, smiling cheerfully. "Did you have a good night's sleep?"

Frodo swallowed hard, hesitate to answer. He timidly glanced over at Aragorn (who was standing only a few feet away) and frowned. "No...no, Sam. I'm afraid I didn't," he answered gravely.

Sam noticed the grim look on his master's pale face and wondered what was wrong. "Is something the matter, Mr. Frodo?" he asked innocently. "You look as though something is troubling you."

Frodo and Aragorn exchanged silent glances at each other, waiting to see if the other would speak.

Aragorn, still wracked with guilt, turned away from the hobbit with a sour face. He solemnly walked away from his friends in search of solitude. He longed for a quiet place to escape his shame and resolve his tormented thoughts. He feared it was only a matter of time before the other members discovered his evil secret. How would he be able to face them--once the skeleton was released from the closet? He feared the worst.

The Fellowship watched their leader walk away with burning curiosity.

"Where is Strider going?" asked Sam. "Does he have to relieve himself, or something?"

Only Frodo knew the terrible truth. "No, Sam, I don't think he has to relieve himself. I think he wants to be alone."

"Alone? What for? It's early in the morning and we should get going. We've got a lot of ground we have to cover," Sam replied. "We don't have any time to waste."

"You're absolutely right, Sam," said Frodo. "But...there is something I wish to discuss with you in private, if you could spare me a moment." He knew if he didn't tell someone about what happened soon, he would surely go insane! He just had to get it off his chest. And-- next to Bilbo--Sam was his closest companion. He would understand and listen with an open heart. "Come, Sam, I need to speak with you at once."

"Well, alright, Mr. Frodo. If you say so."

Frodo gently took Sam by the arm, and they disappeared into a thick patch of trees; leaving the rest of the group behind to ponder what was going on. They passed several tall, evergreen trees, until they found a safe, secluded spot for their discussion. They stopped and turned to each other.

"So, Mr. Frodo," Sam began, puzzled. "What is this all about?"

Frodo didn't quite know how to begin, for what he was about to say was a very difficult thing to explain...especially to his best friend. What would Sam say when he found out? What would he do? Frodo was too afraid to know the answer, but it just had to be done. There was no other way around it. "Sam, I...I need to tell you something."

Sam raised an intrigued eyebrow. "What is it?"

Frodo coughed and cleared his throat, then replied hesitantly, "Well, Sam, what I'm going to tell you is not easy for me, in fact, it's the hardest thing I've ever had to say to anyone in my whole life."

"Speak on," encouraged Sam.

Knots twisted and tightened in the pit of Frodo's stomach. "Last night, something awful happened between me and Aragorn...something that was just not right."

"Not right?" Sam inquired. "Like what?"

"It's very difficult to explain, dear Sam," Frodo continued, with a heavy sigh. "The only reason I'm telling you this, is because you're my dearest friend and I know I can trust you with a secret. Plus, if I don't tell someone soon--I'm going to explode!"

"Does this awful secret have something to do with Sauron's Ring?" asked Sam.

"No, Sam, though I wish it did," Frodo replied, "for what I have to tell you is far worse than anything we've encountered with the Ring. My secret is somewhat...personal."

"Personal?"

"Yes. You see...last night...when I was getting ready for bed...Aragorn came to my room for a visit. And at first we talked for a while, but then...then something bad happened. He started to do strange things to me, things that made me feel very uncomfortable."

Sam swallowed hard. He definitely did not like where the conversation was headed. "What sort of strange things?" he pressed on.

Tears filled Frodo's blue eyes; spilling over onto his cheeks. "Oh, Sam, I...I feel so unclean...so ashamed! Aragorn started kissing me, and then fondling me, and then he...he removed my breeches and..."

Sam's heart leaped in his chest. Now it all made perfect sense, now he understood the reason for Frodo and Aragorn's bizarre behavior! Aragorn had raped Frodo! Sam shuddered at the very thought of his beloved master being violated by the man he trusted most.

Frodo wiped away tears, as he continued. "Sam, he stole my innocence! I gave no consent--but he took me anyway! He took me by force!"

Sam stood silent, with widened eyes and a gasping mouth. His face was white with shock! He could not believe his ears! Anger boiled and raged inside him, he grew hot with fury. Clenching his fists tightly, he shouted, "Aragorn violated you!"

"Yes, Sam...he did!" Frodo exclaimed. He choked back a sob. "I didn't want to do it, Sam, I begged him to stop--but he wouldn't! I feel so dirty, I don't know what to do!"

Sam's rage erupted. "Well, I know exactly what to do, Mr. Frodo!" he growled. "I'm going to take my sword and run that good-for-nothing bastard clear through!" He reached for his scabbard and pulled out his long sword. Squeezing the hilt tightly, he raised the gleaming weapon high in the air with vengeance. "I'LL KILL ARAGORN!"

Frodo was alarmed. "No, Sam, no!" he pleaded. "You can't kill Aragorn!"

"Yes I can--just watch me!" swore Sam. "I'll teach him not to hurt the ones I love! And if the others try to interfere and stop me, then I'll show them, too! No one harms my Mr. Frodo and gets away with it!"

Frodo grabbed Sam's shoulders and lightly shook him. "No, Sam, you mustn't say such awful things! I know what Aragorn did to me was wrong, but you still can't kill him! Please listen to me, Sam. Aragorn may have made a terrible mistake, but he is still our leader--no matter what. And besides, he is a strong man and you are just a...well, a hobbit. Men are much stronger and more powerful than we small hobbits. If you try to pick a fight to the death with a skilled warrior like him, you will surely die! Face it, Sam, as noble as your intentions may be, you just don't stand a chance against Aragorn. And then what will I do, if you are killed? I couldn't go on living without you by my side, you're my dearest friend...I need you."

Sam sighed heavily and placed his weapon back into its proper place. Realizing that his wise master was correct, he frowned with defeat. "I suppose you're right, Mr. Frodo," he mumbled. "If you think it's best, then I won't try and go after Aragorn. I won't go against your wishes."

Frodo smiled gently. "Thank you, Sam, I am grateful. Please promise me that you won't tell the others about what happened. We can't afford to allow anything to come between us and our important mission to destroy the Ring, do you understand?"

Sam looked down at the ground. "Yes, sir," he grumbled sourly. "I won't tell."

"Good," said Frodo, greatly relieved. "Now, we had better get back to the others, or else they'll become worried and start looking for us."

"As you wish, Mr. Frodo."

The two hobbits turned and began walking back towards their group. When they returned, they found their friends still standing exactly where they had left them. Even Aragorn had joined them from his seclusion. The Fellowship was together again.

Before they had started off on their long journey, Aragorn cautiously approached Frodo; with tears in his eyes. A grave expression covered his face--it was the look of self-loathing and remorse. "Frodo," he spoke softly, "I...I truly am sorry about last night. I never meant to hurt you, and I know I have no right to speak with you now. I don't blame you if you hated me, for I hate myself. I hope, someday, you can find it in your heart to forgive me. I do love you and care about you as a friend, and I will carry my shame until the day I die." A tiny tear trickled down his stubbly cheek. "Please believe me, Frodo...I really am sorry."

Frodo's bitter heart softened. He could tell that the man's apology was sincere and full of guilt. He decided to calm his anger and offered the ranger a kind smile. "It's all right, Aragorn. Speak no more, I forgive you. Now, let us not mention it anymore. Come, we must continue our quest. For we still have a long way to go, and we have already lost too much time as it is."

Aragorn returned the hobbit's smile with one of his own. He was grateful for the halfling's forgiveness--though he knew he did not deserve it. "Let us be on our way...and thank you, little one."

With the morning sun shining upon their backs, the Fellowship headed off towards their next destination...never stopping for a moment to look back.

Re:VIOLATED TRUST PART 2: PAINFUL DAWN (0, Offtopic)

slappyjack (196918) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462025)

I cannot tell you how GLAD I am to have missed Part 1.

oh, and uh...

What the FUCK?!?!

Re:VIOLATED TRUST PART 2: PAINFUL DAWN (0, Offtopic)

syrinje (781614) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462177)

Iesu Kristi - the trolls are trying really hard!

Sick bastards - I now have to gouge out my minds eye - never will Jacksons movies be the same for me again!

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Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11461953)

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Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11461957)

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3ff to da p33! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11462229)

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Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11461958)

my first fp? i probably fail it...

This is bad (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11461967)

Google are the new MS, forming links with good technology and talent, then manipulating it for their own selfish needs.

Trust me Google are the new evil.

Re:This is bad (1)

MooseByte (751829) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462054)


"Trust me Google are the new evil."

So long as they end up the lesser evil, that's fine with me!

Re:This is bad (1)

spdt (828671) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462215)

The Grandparent, AC, has an extremely valid point. To tell you the truth, and I am a Google fan, this scares me a little. Open source, free, community projects and gigantic, multinational corporations do not mix. I could easily see some corruption of Firefox coming up, conflicts of interest, subliminal or overt advertising, and whatever else that comes with this kind of association.

Sorry, but it just seems very, very messy to me.

Re:This is bad (5, Insightful)

etymxris (121288) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462192)

I think you have an overly pessimistic view of human nature. I only do what I desire to do, but does my desire make it selfish? If I desire to help the poor, is that selfish? If it is, then calling something "selfish" is empty.

Even allowing that Google may have a monetary incentive to hire a chief Mozilla developer, I don't see what the problem is. At this point, Google needs an alternative browser to keep Microsoft in check. Supporters of Free Software also desire that IE marketshare should drop, and that more open alternatives (such as FireFox) should take the slack. The interests of a "selfish" corporation and Free Software hippies are aligned.

There's no guarantee that Google won't turn "evil" in the future. But let's judge them on things they have done, rather than what they might do.

Please note that I am not totally pro-Google. I have issues with their acquiescence to censorship of totalitarian regimes. But this action doesn't bother me, and I don't see why it should.

No, This is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11462203)

Trust me Google are the new evil.

If they get big enough then let Google and Microsoft meet in an empty warehouse somewhere and battle until one chops the others head off.

There can be only one!

I was just thinking... (3, Funny)

Cyn (50070) | more than 8 years ago | (#11461969)

... that Firefox was due for another name change.

(yes, I know it's just the lead - laugh.)

Re:I was just thinking... (4, Funny)

Coneasfast (690509) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462088)

maybe he can combine the names, and just call it GooFox, can you imagine how cool that would be?

"do you use IE?"
"no, i use goofox!"

Re:I was just thinking... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11462249)

At least you didn't pick "FireGoo." I think I got a case of that after I hooked up with this one chick at a bar... ;)

Re:I was just thinking... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11462263)

Maybe FoxGoo [furnation.com] might be more popular in some circles!

Hummm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11461973)

So this means the Google will get the features it wants and to hell with everyone else, including standards compliance which seems to be taken a back seat these days.

I'm so bored of Google.

Re:Hummm... (5, Interesting)

crankyspice (63953) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462185)

So this means the Google will get the features it wants and to hell with everyone else, including standards compliance which seems to be taken a back seat these days.

I've never done so before, but this comment prompted me to run the basic main Google page through the w3c validator; the results [w3.org] were suprising. It's such a simple page; why not take the (minimal!) time necessary to code proper HTML?! Yikes. I didn't expect that level of sloppiness.

(Yes, my personal page validates [w3.org] just fine, thanks (though some subpages may not, given the age of a lot of the code, and the multiple generations of sites the content pages have churned through... After I graduate and pass the Bar, maybe I'll have time to go back and fix them...)

I'm... (3, Insightful)

Spytap (143526) | more than 8 years ago | (#11461977)

I'm not sure how to think about this. To be fair, I use both quite extensively, and I love the Google search toolbar in Firefox, but I can't help wonder about any conflicts of interest that may arise...

I trust both companies...but have learned that in computer technology, trust can only be trusted so far...

Re:I'm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11462235)

Firefox is still open source. This is only good as google now funds some development and if the community don't like it we can always revert his changes and deny him access to cvs or, if he is too closely tied to Mozilla, fork and continue without his stuff.

Re:I'm... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11462239)

Google is all about gathering personal information now. They will make sure there's nothing in Firefox to impede that information gathering.

If they encounter opposition in the Mozilla framework, they'll fork, and the GoogleBrowser will be born (and Mozilla will die, at least as far as market share goes).

So.. (1)

byolinux (535260) | more than 8 years ago | (#11461979)

Ben's at Google and Dave Hyatt's at Apple - this must be good news.. but will Google release a browser? I doubt it.

Re:So.. (5, Insightful)

etymxris (121288) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462062)

but will Google release a browser?
I don't think Google wants or needs a browser. What they do need though is to keep MS honest. It is incredibly easy for MS to integrate MSN search with their web browser. If MS wants people using IE to also use MSN search, all they have to do is not be so incredibly bad that people look elsewhere. The criterion is a bit different if MS is trying to get FireFox users to use MSN search. Then they actually have to be better than everyone else. Google might not be able to beat MS on the first criterion, but they can certainly beat MS on merit.

So the more FireFox users there are, the more Google users there are. I don't see anything mysterious about this move by Google. It's really in their financial interest, and not just because of the PR.

Free Time (1)

Daxx_61 (828017) | more than 8 years ago | (#11461994)

"I remain devoted full-time to the advancement of Firefox, the Mozilla platform and web browsing in general."

Don't Google employees have free time anyway? Or am I thinking of something else?

(Damn, there goes my Karma)

Re:Free Time (3, Interesting)

daeg (828071) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462033)

Yes, there are numerous articles and such in the past that have mentioned that most Google engineers get 10% of free time to devote to their own projects.

Orkut was born this way, as well as Google Sets and likely numerous other projects.

Googlefox (1)

digitalgimpus (468277) | more than 8 years ago | (#11461995)

Yea, it's been here on slashdot before, the infamous Google Web Browser, based on Firefox...

bla bla bla.

Ben + Google = Firefox?

For some reason, I think Google will be playing more of a role like SUN, IBM, or RedHat...

rather than try to be an other Netscape.

Sigh........ (1)

Rupy (782781) | more than 8 years ago | (#11461996)

Yet another pure thing corrupted by money/power etc.. etc... I guess can't blame the bastid, everyone wants financial security (+ a couple ferraris). I wonder how far exactly they are gonna push it?

Sigh........The only developer. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11462247)

" Yet another pure thing corrupted by money/power etc.. etc... "

I don't know what you're complaining about? But there is more than just him working on Firefox. Were you all worried about Linux when Linus went to work for Transmeta?

Anyway lets hope we get XFORMS and SVG into Firefox now.

Infiltration (2, Interesting)

Hyksos (595814) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462000)

Wow, Google is everywhere nowadays. I really hope they won't go all "evil corporation" on us.

Let them answer themself! (2, Funny)

thijsa (849477) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462211)

Well, according to google:
google "evil corporation": 2,010 hits
google "good corporation": 207 hits

They have the odds against! They're doing even worse than M$:
microsoft evil corporation: 840 hits
microsoft good corporation: 297 hits

Google Toolbar for Firefox (0, Flamebait)

hajihill (755023) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462011)

At the risk of sounding terribly ungeek, I will admit to still using IE. There is only one reason for this:

Google Toolbar

I happen to like it a lot. I'm lazy, it's ultra convenient. Now if Firefox had a version of the Google toolbar, which up to now it does not, I would switch in a hot minute.

Hopefully, this pairing promises this among other great things.

Re:Google Toolbar for Firefox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11462032)

Firefox has a google search bar enabled by default.

Re:Google Toolbar for Firefox (1)

hajihill (755023) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462067)

I just read that above after posting my last message. and in fact tried to post about it saying something along the lines of:

Ah shit.... Why wasn't I informed...

Oh the karma.

Looks like I'm off to install Firefox.

Re:Google Toolbar for Firefox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11462060)

It's had one for over a year....

Re:Google Toolbar for Firefox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11462061)

duh, you write like you know what your talking about but really you are teh suk.

google toolbar is integrated into default install of firefox, you actually have your choice of search engines with firefox's toolbar but thats already beyond what you need to know or will believe

Re:Google Toolbar for Firefox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11462069)

IT DOES. so get it

Re:Google Toolbar for Firefox (1, Troll)

KillerDeathRobot (818062) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462077)

What functionality from the Google toolbar do you not get with the search box in Firefox? Whatever it is, there's probably an extension to handle it.

Re:Google Toolbar for Firefox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11462082)

I've been using the googlebar for firefox for quite some time. It's not official, IIRC, but it has worked great for me for the past few months. Check it out at http://googlebar.mozdev.org/

Re:Google Toolbar for Firefox (3, Informative)

sepluv (641107) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462116)

Now if Firefox had a version of the Google toolbar, which up to now it does not, I would switch in a hot minute.
*Troll Alert*

Firefox has always (since 0.1) had a Google Toolbar [mozdev.org] extension--not that find you need it as its built-in search functionality is so good.

Re:Google Toolbar for Firefox (2, Insightful)

DeathFlame (839265) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462127)

Can someone sell me whatever this guy is smoking? No google toolbar?

It has a search portion, that is fully customizable to other searchs, plus the capability to create your own custom keywords to use in the toolbar instead. (like the built in dict "word" for definition, you can use any keywords for search items, if you choose not to use the search toolbar)

Re:Google Toolbar for Firefox (1)

Sky-217 (44374) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462143)

I've been using one for a while now. You can get it here [texturizer.net] . Your hot minute begins... Now.

Re:Google Toolbar for Firefox (2, Insightful)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462180)



Now if Firefox had a version of the Google toolbar, which up to now it does not, I would switch in a hot minute.


I'm somewhat shocked that someone would say this. I have to admit, I can't help but wonder if I'm being trolled on this. But I'll apply Occam's Razor [wikipedia.org] and assume ignorance over malicious intent.

Firefox has Googlebar [mozdev.org] and has had it for some time [mozdev.org] . Now, some have claimed Googlebar doesn't count since it lacks PageRank. Enter PRGooglebar [prgooglebar.org] .

Was it really necessary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11462017)

Was it really necessary to link to Firefox? Think abou tit.

How can Google get more integrated? (2, Interesting)

TheShadowHawk (789754) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462019)

Well congrats to Ben. All the best at Google. But I do wonder how Firefox could be MORE integrated with Goggle?

I mean.. you start it up.. you have google at the top right, and if you use the default home page, you will link to the google search engine. There are google toolbar plugins available. What else can there be?

Should be interesting to see what they come up with...

Re:How can Google get more integrated? (1)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462085)

> Well congrats to Ben. All the best at Google. But I do wonder how Firefox could be MORE integrated with Google?
>
>I mean.. you start it up.. you have google at the top right, and if you use the default home page, you will link to the google search engine. There are google toolbar plugins available. What else can there be?

He could tell us we must search in russian [google.com] ?

Re:How can Google get more integrated? (3, Interesting)

Coryoth (254751) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462159)

How about interesting XUL based interfaes for GMail, Froogle, Orkut etc. A simple browser detect determines if you have Firefox/Mozilla, and if you do it gives you the XUL version... if not you get the same ordinary version you get now.

Entirely possible, and could be very cool if done well, but to be honest I see it as unlikely.

Jedidiah.

So google is paying him to work on firefox? (1)

ZipR (584654) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462024)

Interesting. Will firefox become full of sponsored links now?
Perhaps Microsoft will now too sponsor a person to work on firefox.

What if it were Microsoft? (3, Interesting)

doublem (118724) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462028)

I'm sure this story will generate a slew of positive responses about Google supporting the Open Source Community, and how Linux is one of the technologies they rely upon. there will be some concern, but not much.

What I'm wondering, is how would the Slashdot community respond if it were Microsoft doing the hiring, and THEY were promising Ben's day to day tasks wouldn't change much.

How would people react?

What would be the theories of WHY Microsoft would be supporting a Firefox developer?

Let's set aside the arguments about why this is an implausible scenario and the obvious Microsoft bashing and ask, aside from the exceptions above, what would be the reaction to such an announcement?

Re:What if it were Microsoft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11462158)

It would be a great test case for why Microsoft makes such embarrassingly bad products:

Theory A) Only stupid people go to work for MS

Theory B) Going to work for MS make people stupid

Re:What if it were Microsoft? (2, Insightful)

PylonHead (61401) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462169)

Actually, the story seems to have generated a lot of questions and some open distrust.

Don't worry. There is a healthy skepticism of all corporations here, not just MS.

Re:What if it were Microsoft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11462182)

Let's set aside the arguments about why this is an implausible scenario...

How can we -not- talk about how it's an implausible scenario? Gates/Microsoft/Gates-underlings have said on numerous occassions how bad open source is. They wouldn't be supporting a Firefox developer. Period. Google on the other hand uses Linux in their clusters and seems to be very community oriented.

Re:What if it were Microsoft? (1)

pitchpipe (708843) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462200)

Of course they would react negatively, the track record of Microsoft is quite different from that of Google's.

Re:What if it were Microsoft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11462213)

What would be the theories of WHY Microsoft would be supporting a Firefox developer?

Or suppose it was the Vatican hiring him! What would the theories be like then? And yeah, let's not worry about how implusible it is.

Re:What if it were Microsoft? (1, Troll)

Sentry21 (8183) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462260)

Microsoft makes the only competing product for Firefox - them hiring him would be absurdly conspicuous. Google, on the other hand, has a competitor in Microsoft, as does Firefox, and if the IE monopoly stays put, then MSN Search as a default in IE may overtake Google in the same way IE as a default in Windows (and, eventually, Mac) overtook Netscape.

If, however, Google can help make Firefox a heavy player (not that it isn't already), and can also provide to Firefox users more and better integration with Google (should they so choose), then Firefox's growing platform will help Google, and Google's will help Firefox.

Re:What if it were Microsoft? (1)

stedd007 (675121) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462261)

What I'm wondering, is how would the Slashdot community respond if it were Microsoft doing the hiring, and THEY were promising Ben's day to day tasks wouldn't change much.
Simple. Google acts like a benevolent dictatorship, and Microsoft does not.

This makes it much easier to believe that Google is supporting the Open Source Community because they feel it's the right thing to do.

So THAT's why... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11462029)

...Firefox has google search built-in. Someone needed a job!

What a combo (1)

Ichtys (841582) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462047)

Oh me o my! This will be very interesting indeed. My two favourite pieces of software - all in one! Can it get any better? Yes. Yes it can. But then they would have to come up with a way to make my CPU produce hot chocolate. Which not is an easy programmin task, I tell you.

Corruption of FireFox Development? (1, Insightful)

reporter (666905) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462057)

If Ben Goodger is working for Google, I wonder how long before we see Google-optimizied features in FireFox. Google is now a profitable, public corporation with a stock-ownership structure patterned after Time-Warner. I doubt that Time-Warner would allows its employees, on company time, to work on Sony televisions unless the employees intend to add some specific features to the televisions to somehow enhance the media content from Time-Warner.

Will Google now become the default search engine on FireFox? So, if you enter a faulty URL, then suddenly, the Google web page appears and presents you with alternative Web links?

I prefer that the development team at FireFox be agnostic. Perhaps, now is the time to switch to Gecko. I hear that it is faster and has a tighter interface with Windows. I sure could use the speed for all my visits to picture-laden porn sites.

Re:Corruption of FireFox Development? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11462209)

Will Google now become the default search engine on FireFox? So, if you enter a faulty URL, then suddenly, the Google web page appears and presents you with alternative Web links?

Uh, Google already is the default search engine.

I prefer that the development team at FireFox be agnostic. Perhaps, now is the time to switch to Gecko. I hear that it is faster and has a tighter interface with Windows.

Firefox uses Gecko.

Lots of companies pay people to work on Mozilla, including IBM. It doesn't mean they do things only to benefit their employers.

Re:Corruption of FireFox Development? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11462231)

"Will Google now become the default search engine on FireFox? So, if you enter a faulty URL, then suddenly, the Google web page appears and presents you with alternative Web links?"

It already does that to an extent. If you type in a faulty URL, it goes through Google's "I'm Feeling Lucky".

Moderation recommendations (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11462270)

Will Google now become the default search engine on FireFox?

-1, sounded convincing until you realized that he had never used Firefox in his life.

Perhaps, now is the time to switch to Gecko.

Oh, and doesn't know anything about it.

The ever puzzling Google guys (2, Funny)

Anonymous Cowherd X (850136) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462081)

Ben Goodger, lead developer for Firefox, ...

Good-bad-gers? Fire-bad-foxes? I bet Google hired him just so they can use this as a puzzle on their Ph.D. job applicants!

So much for "low key" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11462083)

I think that notion disappeared fairly quickly...

Google: The info warehouse (2, Interesting)

Rheagar (556811) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462104)

So from what I gather, google is collecting every scrap of information about everything. This spans from the basic google websearch to google desktop search and eventually google e-mail searching (searching for anonymous content from within their growing gmail database).

When google takes over our web browsers, they will also be able to collect info on more than just what we are searching for -- they will know how we are finding desired content.

Pretty soon google will know everything about everyone. People won't have to bother with the trouble of defining ourselves in the real world anymore -- inspection and introspection of humans can be done through tomorrow's google. I presume it will be utopia.

I am wearing a tinfoil hat right now. What they are doing is perfectly legal. But I still think it is a bit scary.

What a great way to influence a project (2, Insightful)

wonkavader (605434) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462117)

I don't mean to slam Google, but just to go ahead and state the obvious:

What a great way to influence a project: pay for it.

Google will really be able to get any pet idea that they have at least brought up as a part of the project.

This is a very cheap way of touching millions of people. A smart, patient and friendly company should be able to find ways to get their agenda helped, even when their employee is generally remaining "independant".

And free advertising: BGoodger@google.com at the bottom of every communication? Though I suppose it'll be something more like BGoodger@gmail.com

This should be happening much more than it does.

Obligatory Simpsons reference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11462151)

I for one welcome our Search Engine Developing Overlord

I don't get what the problem is (1)

koniosis (657156) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462190)

If it's open source then if someone starts adding company specific stuff, or things that the community don't agree with, can't they just be removed by someone else. Or it can be branched so that all the "Google Crap" that someone might add is a seperate development. Isn't that the whole point of OSS? Besides, Google could just employ anyone to contribute to Firefox, it doesn't have to be the "creator", but I can see why that would be useful to them.

Oh please do no evil... (3, Interesting)

marcushnk (90744) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462194)

If this isn't a conflict of interest I don't know what is..

I REALLY hope they stick to the "Do no Evil", because with this sort of move, they have the oppertunity to be either very very _good_ or just as easily be very very _evil_.

Then again.. its Open Sourced... so if google try anything even slightly askew, the code will be forked or better yet just plain rejected.

Re:Oh please do no evil... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#11462245)

Where have you been? Google abandoned "Do No Evil" in practive (if not in sloagan) about 2 years ago! The gates are open now...

Big deal... (1)

doormat (63648) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462236)

Even though I doubt Ben and google would go "evil" on firefox, if the rest of the community didnt like it, they can go fork. Firefox is under an open license. The community can just pick up and leave Ben or whoever and make their own browser on top of whatever they pull from the source library...

./ grammar (2, Informative)

utopianfiat (774016) | more than 8 years ago | (#11462267)

Ben Goodger, lead developer for Firefox, has announce that effective from a couple of weeks ago, he has become a Google employee.

no offense to the poster, but: s/has announce/has announced/
Grammar is what sets us apart from the script kiddie.
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