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8Mbit Broadband to Become Available in the UK

samzenpus posted more than 9 years ago | from the cheap-broadband dept.

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UK Online is offering 8Mbit broadband service to the UK. The upstream is 400K, and there's a monthly download cap of 500GB, but at 40 pounds per month, plus 50 installation and a free wireless router in the package, that has to be among the best deals on offer from anyone.

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hey (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487479)

have my pants dried yet?

#dd

Re:hey (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487604)

have my pants dried yet?

wow! didn't know your body could process 8mbit/sec of porn. congrats mate!

Re:hey (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487681)

I think i had a wet dream :/

Monthly Cap? (1, Insightful)

snikeris (838429) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487481)

No service with a monthly cap is a good deal...

Re:Monthly Cap? (2, Insightful)

ticktockticktock (772894) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487527)

Yea. That monthly cap effectively limits you to about 193k/s sustained 24/7 or you would end up going over the cap by the end of the month with 24/7 downloading. 500GB could be used up in roughly 6 days of using the max download speed 24/7.

Re:Monthly Cap? (1)

snikeris (838429) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487579)

Is that 193 kB/s or kb/s? KiloBytes or Kilobits?

Re:Monthly Cap? (1)

ticktockticktock (772894) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487608)

kilobytes/sec.

Re:Monthly Cap? (1)

hattig (47930) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487584)

500GB is more than enough for most people, even hardcore downloaders that get through a couple of DVDRs a day of crap they'll never use/view.

Re:Monthly Cap? (2, Insightful)

snikeris (838429) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487633)

Not everybody only downloads specific files. Applications like freenet which are constantly uploading/downloading content that you don't specifically request would fill the cap (provided they are downloading fast enough). Besides, 100+ DVDRs of crap a month that I'll never use/view just isn't enough.

Re:Monthly Cap? (1)

Avagadro's Number (624665) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487673)

Interesting math. How did you come up with the 6 day number? By my math 500000MB/8MB/Sec=62500sec. 62500sec/3600sec/hour=17.36hours. Last I heard there were 144 hours in six days not 17.36.

Re:Monthly Cap? (1)

Rakishi (759894) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487687)

Mbit is not MB

Re:Monthly Cap? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487719)

Here is your error: you used 8 MBytes/s instead of 8 MBit/s. So the correct math is:

500 (GB) * 1024 * 8 (bits/bytes) / 8 (Mbit/s) / 3600 / 24 = 5.9 days.

Re:Monthly Cap? (2, Informative)

Bri3D (584578) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487598)

Many are going to ask: How are you going to use 500GB? 8Mb/sec = 1MB/sec. So you would have to download(at maximum bandwidth) for 500,000 seconds = 138hrs = 5.75 days. Not very much. Then think about how much you could take in a month: There are about 60*60*24*31=2678400 seconds in a month. With 1MB/sec and 2678400 seconds you could D/L about 2,678 GB. That's 2.67TB! Still, the cap is pretty low for the speed.

500GB (2, Insightful)

phorm (591458) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487603)

Question: How many people have enough space to *store* that much data. Video streaming might eat into it, but even that doesn't hit the full bandwidth and wouldn't be 24/7.

Unless you count those that run big servers, have massive storage space, or download tons of pr0n and archive it not many people will get near that anytime soon.

Re:500GB (1)

snikeris (838429) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487664)

Who says you are storing it all at once? Whats to stop someone from downloading Dogs Gone Wild, watching it, and deleting it, all while downloading the sequel?

Re:Monthly Cap? (3, Informative)

ArticleI (842868) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487613)

At least they tell you the cap. I have Comcast and don't know what is it, but it is purportedly around 2.5 gigs a day. This service sounds like a really good deal to me.

Re:Monthly Cap? (1)

game kid (805301) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487619)

It's odd. I haven't heard of a cap in Verizon DSL [verizon.com] . Or any home broadband in NY for that matter. Which is good.

Dear UK (5, Funny)

Letter (634816) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487483)

Dear UK,

40 pounds? Now that's a heavy modem.

Letter

Re:Dear UK (3, Funny)

civman2 (773494) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487492)

Not just 40 pounds. 40 pounds a month. I keep my cable modem on my desk, and I wonder how long it would take before it weighed so much that it fell straight through!

Re:Dear UK (4, Interesting)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487565)

> 40 pounds? Now that's a heavy modem.

"and there's a monthly download cap of 500GB"

OK, bub, let's see you carry that much pr0n.

If a CD-R weighs 20 grams and holds 700MB, then a spindle of 50 CD-Rs (35 GB) weighs about a kilo, or 2.2 pounds. 14 spindles * 35 GB = 30 pounds.

So you're breaking even (pound for pound as you pound the pud) after about three weeks.

Conversion to Libraries of Congress full of dead-tree editions of Mayfair (it is the UK after all) is left as an exercise for the rest of you wankers. Er, for the student.

P0rn, NOT! (2, Interesting)

Dark Coder (66759) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487636)

OK, bub, let's see you carry that much pr0n.

For a rabid Linux hacker, it is easy to bust that CAP by downloading DISTROs after DISTROs not to mention package updates after updates.

Try Gentoo Distro [gentoo.org] for starter.

Hot Damn! (1)

ebsf1 (689864) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487484)

Can we subscribe from New Zealand?

Re:Hot Damn! (1)

Agret (752467) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487599)

The pings would be outrageous!

500 GB? (1, Funny)

thedustbustr (848311) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487485)

Thats only two external harddrives worth of pr0n! Any self-respecting geek could easily reach that cap in a month.

Re:500 GB? (2, Funny)

game kid (805301) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487648)

Any self-respecting geek could easily reach that cap in a month.
You mean self-pleasuring?

first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487486)

I got the first post. maybe

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Coolbreez (834206) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487488)

FP

Re:FP (-1, Offtopic)

Coolbreez (834206) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487513)

Ah too slow damn waiting 20 seconds to post......damnit did it again...waiting 15 seconds

and here in Australia... (2, Informative)

phantasma6 (799340) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487491)

I'm stuck on 1500Kb/s (256up) with 20gig a month for $50... and that's considered the best deal in the country now... it's not fair

Re:and here in Australia... (1)

Agret (752467) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487567)

Ah another fellow TPG 1.5'r. We get ripped off here :(

Re:and here in Australia... (3, Informative)

scum-e-bag (211846) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487602)

What about the new DSLAMs that are being rolled out? Have you investigated any of the new plans?

http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/bc-isp.cfm?id=10&s=2

2048 / 384 kbps
400 MB $29.95 /mo
12 GB $49.95 /mo

Primus DSLAMs will also support ADSL2/2+ when the technology is approved for use in Australia.

Re:and here in Australia... (3, Informative)

obeythefist (719316) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487694)

iiNet will be announcing 2Mb+ plans within the next week or so as well. GB allowances will be better than they have been, but for Australia, 500GB is preposterous. The biggest plans I have seen have been in the region of 72GB total for 1.5MB plans, with a hefty price tag attached.

The reason prices are so high is above my head but I understand it has to do with the USA charging us for both incoming and outgoing traffic, whilst expecting our traffic to them to be free. Perhaps the FTA will help (not likely!). Someone please comment on this and provide some more info.

For foreign readers, telecommunications in Australia are monopolised by "Telstra", a formerly government owned body with a legal monopoly over the copper wiring throughout the country. Telstra, who see broadband (and hence, VoIP) as a threat to the vast revenue they obtain from local telephone calls, are deliberating holding back broadband within Australia, by preventing speeds over 1.5Mbit and by onselling DSL to third party providers at a port-only cost greater than Telstras retail plans. This of course makes it impossible for anyone to offer DSL at the same price as Telstra without making a loss. Great business model for Telstra, though.

Re:and here in Australia... (1)

Kentsusai (837912) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487626)

Yeah... well the fastest I can get (20 minutes out of Melbourne) is 128kbps....

I think I might go in the corner and cry some more....

Re:and here in Australia... (1)

Atrax (249401) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487677)

OK, tell us where you're getting that one, and do they do an uncapped?

Re:and here in Australia... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487714)

And in New Zealand, we have NZ$70-odd for 2Mb/s (256up) with a 10gig limit. So cry me a river :)

Re:and here in Australia... (1)

Klowner (145731) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487724)

You think that's bad, 26k dialup for $35USD/mo (including spare phone line) sucks a bit worse.. Although I have no cap, but I don't think I could actually transfer 20 gigs in a month..

That's still ~$10/mbps.. (2, Interesting)

tobe (62758) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487493)

With the exchange rate currently running at ~$1.8/£1..

Plus.. I *rarely* max out my 1mbps line as it is.. who's going to have a good use for this.. (I don't use BitTorrent, mind.. the donkey does for me).

Re:That's still ~$10/mbps.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487521)

Rarely max out 1mb? Try harder.

Re:That's still ~$10/mbps.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487699)

Damn, you're not looking at the right pr0n man.

look i dont want to type a fucking subject (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487495)

'but'? Holy fuck, 12 gig here in australia costs about the same as that.

There is a catch! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487511)

a free wireless router

And how am I supposed to plug in the network cable? I knew there was a catch!

Best deal in UK or worldwide? (1)

despe666 (802244) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487512)

I don't know the market in the UK, but this is not such a good deal if I compare to Videotron, in Quebec. I get 6.5 MBps down, 900kBps up, no cap, 70$ CAD monthly. The UK package comes up to 95$ CAD (according to yahoo.com). Mine is a bit slower downstream, but I'd rather have faster upstream. Plus 25$ CAD cheaper.

Re:Best deal in UK or worldwide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487597)

Cogeco in Ontario and Quebec offer a 10mbit/1mbit for 70cad a month. However they do state a 30gb monthly limit but I'm on the 5mbit package and have gone over the limit without any negative consequences.

Re:Best deal in UK or worldwide? (1)

despe666 (802244) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487630)

Videotron used to have a theoretical limit as well. They coudln't account about half of their deployed modems anyways. But a few years ago they got their butt in gear and started enforcing the limits... :-( If I had 30gb cap and they enforced it, I would be in the streets within 6 months! :-)

A Fibre Line Runs Through It... (1)

Kyosuke77 (783293) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487615)

Heh, here in Saskatchewan I get 5Mbps down, 1Mbps up, and all for CA$38. I guess that's what you get when all the bandwith for the entire province (bigger in land area than Britain) is divided between a population of >1 million. I guess there was no way around running big fibre backbones through here, and we just get to suck away at them. =)

Re:Best deal in UK or worldwide? (3, Insightful)

hattig (47930) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487624)

Considering that the UK is currently stuck with deals like 512/128 for £20 a month, or NTLs most generous 1500/128 service for £35 a month, £40 a month for 8000/400 is a bargain.

I wonder if they'll offer a 2000/200 for £20 a month?

I expect this is why NTL are rumoured (well, I recall them sending a letter anyway) to be upping speeds from 300,750,1500 to 1000,2000,3000 in the near future, for the same price.

Re:Best deal in UK or worldwide? (1)

digitalchinky (650880) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487692)

Oddly enough, the Philippines have a few cable companies willing to shell an 8mbps connection for a similar price - minus the wireless router, I think most companies here have given away the idea of different up and downlink speeds - through cable TV I have 1500 kilobits per second both ways. (about 180 kilobytes per second sustained)

Pretty easy to un-cap, but this is fast enough for what I need at home.

Some friends in the UK just had a business connection set up with BT - talk about slow and mediocre service...

Sigh... (1)

Deliveranc3 (629997) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487517)

Brittain is a big slap in the face to the whole population density perspective on why the west sucks at infrastructure upgrades..

>$85 a month U.S. Jimminy

Re:Sigh... (1)

t3hl33t (853427) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487546)

When/If Australia gets it... it willl be sooo expensive...

Re:Sigh... (2, Informative)

stvartak (740014) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487640)

Britain has a population density roughly 8 times higher than the U.S. and only half that of South Korea.
Pre-referenced for your pleasure:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom [wikipedia.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States [wikipedia.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_korea [wikipedia.org]

The population density perspective (1)

xtermin8 (719661) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487656)

"Brittain is a big slap in the face to the whole population density perspective on why the west sucks at infrastructure upgrades..." Isn't it because of obfuscated sentences and clumsy mispellings? Call me ignorant, but I have no idea what perspective you're talking about..

Re:Sigh... (3, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487658)

$85 a month U.S. Jimminy
Lucky for Brits they aren't paying with our worthless dollar!

Re:Sigh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487668)

£40
Subtract VAT: £34
Into dollars: $60US

Yeah, it's still a lot, but the UK is stupidly expensive anyway.

just 400k? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487530)

hmm.. why do ISPs skimp on upload speeds?
my comcast cable modem can upload about the same as this 8mbit line.

Re:just 400k? (1)

despe666 (802244) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487576)

My guess, they do this to discourage servers and P2P. For Joe Average, i estimate internet usage consists about 90% download and 10% upload. So 400kbps is more than enough for most of their customer base.

Re:just 400k? (1)

scum-e-bag (211846) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487682)

why do ISPs skimp on upload speeds?

For the average P2P user, who does not have a hacked client, there is a 1:1 ratio that must generally be stuck to, otherwise the P2P system doesn't work. This is especially true with BT. Other P2P networks allow different ratios. For most P2P users this means that their downloads are capped by the ammount that they upload.

I believe that it is technically possible to allow greater upload speeds, however, download speeds will suffer as a result.

Students (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487538)

This sounds like a great deal for students...we split 1.5mb/s four ways, and there are definitely times when I can feel the strain...then again, we also split the bill 4 ways, so it's not so bad ;)

Huh? "Become available" (2, Insightful)

philask (216894) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487540)

We've had 8 Mbit/sec ADSL in the UK for almost two years now... I know because we've got it.

http://www.easynet.net/broadband/broadband_categ or y.asp?id=1

Re:Huh? "Become available" (2, Interesting)

aldoman (670791) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487620)

UK Online is the residential division of Easynet.

Not really a great deal... (5, Informative)

scifience (674659) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487543)

I pay $105.95 a month for Speakeasy DSL. That is for a connection with 6000kbps down, and 768kbps down. That connection has no bandwidth limits. Not a bad deal, if I do say so myself, considering I can run any servers I want on the connection.

Now let's look at the offer that was described in this article. If we convert 40 UK pounds to US dollars, we see that this connection costs around $75 a month, depending on the exchange rate.

My connection through Speakeasy is roughly $25 a month more, has no bandwidth limits (and 500GB is very easy to reach on a fast connection) and a faster upload speed to boot. There is also no mention as to whether this connection allows servers or not. However, I am guessing it doesn't, considering that Speakeasy is an exception on this policy rather than the rule.

When you consider all of these factors, this "best deal around" doesn't really seem to be quite so great anymore.

Re:Not really a great deal... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487697)

Well, adjusted for tax, the service is around $60 a month, not $75. That's $45 cheaper than yours (dunno if that has tax included). What's your contention ratio - that is far more important a figure. The UK service is 33:1, which doesn't sound too hot to me.

Re:Not really a great deal... (1)

thelost (808451) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487709)

However in the UK our broadbrand range is pretty shoddy and far behind anything available in america. Currently me and my housemates split the cost of a 4mb cable connection with 384k upstream and it comes to £50 so i would jump on 8mb conn for 10 quid less.

you guys are getting screwed... (3, Insightful)

ltwally (313043) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487550)

I pay half as much for the exact same speed here in the States, and I don't have a download cap... and the US is supposed to be lagging behind the rest of the world in broadband. You limies are really getting screwed!

Re:you guys are getting screwed... (2, Informative)

Agret (752467) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487628)

Actually George Bush likes broadband and thinks everyone in America should have access to it. Thats why you guys get it so cheap. Over here our government are screwing us over with 1.5mbps down 256kbps up and 20gb cap for $50/month. That is the best deal avaliable and the fastest our connections get to is 2mbps. Later on in the year ADSL2+ is being released so we should be able to catch up to the rest of the world soon.

FYI I am in Australia

holy expensive! (4, Informative)

Blymie (231220) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487558)

Actually, it seems quite expensive. I pay $60 per month CDN (at 26 pounds, it's just over 1/2 the price of this "deal"), and receive 6.5Mbps down, 900kbps up, with no limits.

There's no installation charge, and the cable modem is included.

I prefer to have more upstream.. and a little less downstream. That upstream is far more useful. So is the lack of limits.

Oh. By the way, this isn't make believe speed either. Videotron actually delivers. I get downloads at > 700kbytes/sec all the time.

Re:holy expensive! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487674)

My parents can get 24mbit down, 1mbit up to their house which is in a small town (3000 people) in northern Sweden. For about 50 usd per month.

Personally i'm sitting on 10 mbit symmetrical with no caps. (price is in the rent so i don't know how much it is)

From that article it looks like UK is getting seriously screwed.

40 Pounds Sterling? (0, Troll)

copponex (13876) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487569)

So, you Brits can either pay your modem lease, or pay my rent at the current exchange rate.

On the other side of the pond we're spending dollars on "Freedom." It's too bad it involves heat seeking missles instead of sandals and robes. That Ghandi was an economic genius.

That Ghandi was an economic genius. (1)

vlad_petric (94134) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487723)

Too bad Nehru and her daughter weren't.

Is that really a news? (5, Informative)

sam0737 (648914) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487570)

Here in Hong Kong, I am getting 10Mbps Up and Down, with no upload/download limit (Of course they said you can't setup any kind of server in your home in the fine prints but who knows :P)

How much? Not more than USD 20 per month! The service was there for some years already. And there are now serval ISP providing the same service so the price is getting even lower~

yeah but... (0, Flamebait)

The Islamic Fundamen (728413) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487625)

The only downside to that is your stuck in Hong Kong. That means the Next Gen SARS type bug, The Red Star of Communism next door, extremley high people-land ratio, and the ever-looming Asian Smog cloud.

Re:Is that really a news? (0, Troll)

welbz (834148) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487635)

no upload/download limit

--but only if the content is allowed through the great firewall of China.

Re:Is that really a news? (5, Informative)

sam0737 (648914) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487666)

No sorry. Hong Kong's traffic is not filtered by the great firewall~

Under one country two systems, we are really quite independent ...Check out the wikipedia if you want to know more :P

Re:Is that really a news? (3, Informative)

sam0737 (648914) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487721)

> Here in Hong Kong, I am getting 10Mbps Up and Down, with no upload/download limit

Or you want to check out some service pages?~

http://www.i-cable.com/ourservices/cablemodem/e-pl an_content.html [i-cable.com]
http://www.hgc.com.hk/eng/res_net_bb_hgcbb.html [hgc.com.hk]

[Sorry can't find English version for these]
http://www.vitaminbb.com/nwt/residential/chinese/d ocument_content.jsp?documentid=12 [vitaminbb.com]
http://www.hkbn.net/broadband/index.htm [hkbn.net]

Anyone have verizon fios? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487572)

I wonder how that compare, since that would be a good option if it was available where i'm at

good deal! (1)

gimpimp (218741) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487573)

this looks pretty good. their other broadband offerings are good too. my housemate signed up to aol broadband (512k service) because it was the only one with no monthly download cap. these guys have the same thing for the same price, so i might check it out. good stuff

500GB = 4000Gbit (Round Numbers) (4, Informative)

datastalker (775227) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487574)

500GB = 4,000,000,000,000 bit
8Mbit = 8,000,000 bit

4,000,000,000,000/8,000,000 = 500,000

8Mbit/s gives you 500,000 seconds

There are 2,592,000 seconds in a month (30 days).

That means that if you let it download constantly at maximum speed, you only get to use it for a week.

Of course, if you can find 500GB to download (constantly), then you've probably already figured that out.

Ironically, here in the US, with cable, I routinely get 1.5Mb/s down, with no cap.

1.5Mbits * 2592000 < 4000gbit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487680)

1500000 / 8 = 187500
187500 * 2592000 = 4.86x10^11
(((4.86x10^11 / 1024) / 1024) / 1024) = 452.62277
452.62277 * 8 = 3620.9822
3620.9822 < 4000

So, you don't even get 500Gigs per month... you'd still be under the cap if you were in the UK.

I agree the cap and low upload speed make it not that great a deal though. FIOS is my solution to it all... Come on verizon!

Asian-style bandwidth... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487575)

When I hear about how cheap and plentiful 100mbit is in parts of Asia, I sit back and cry.

When I have 30GB caps here, and have the standard cable setup for USD$50/mn makes me pissed. Hell for a mere USD$500/mn at work, we have a full T1 (1.5/1.5) what a deal! ... not.

Oh well, keep posting sad stories /.

I'll keep coming back.

Dear UK.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487580)

Here in Finland we have 24 Mbps down / 1 Mbps up (ADSL2+ [wikipedia.org] ) for 63 euros a month, approximately equivalent to your 40 pounds sterling.

It's even cheaper in Sweden, IIRC something like 50 euros.

Oh, and no download caps.

Re:Dear UK.. (1)

aldoman (670791) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487642)

Yes, but Sweden's government paid for most of the installation of a fibre network. If you get taxed 60% of course you are going to get cheap broadband.

Some countries prefer a free and open market, however.

Re:Dear UK.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487722)

"Some countries prefer a free and open market, however."

And in return they get an innefficient distribution of broadband. Ie: Expensive and little coverage.

If only I could get more than 512K (1)

reddazz (848454) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487582)

Well I am suprised they are offering that speed. I live in one of the major UK cities and here we can only get 512k for £25 a month. What a rip off. I envy you all with all that speed.

UC connection (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487585)

Here on the grand old University of California network, I get about a megabit up, up to 3.5 down...

They have a 2gb/day per mac address bandwidth cap... but that's trivial to avoid... it takes four command line operations:

ifconfig eth0 down
ifconfig eth0 hw ether (new mac address)
ifconfig eth0 up
dhclient

Of course, this connection is complimentary with my ridiculously overpriced education, so bargain/value is hard to compute...

Verizon Metro DSL (1)

darc (532156) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487589)

Despite the reliability concerns of Verizon, they do offer a pretty hot deal on DSL. Here in New York, we get 3mbps down and 768k up, which is far better for bittorrent, for $30 a month. No kidding. That's alot better than 40GBP. We also have no cap. They have a 500GB per month cap, and on just 3mbps you can download 972GB per month. Seems like we've got the better deal here in NY.

Now, if they'd ever deploy fiber instead of just claiming it's deployed...

Why the upstream? (2, Interesting)

Rufus211 (221883) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487590)

I'd love 8mbit downstream, but why is it still a sad 400kbit up? I can understand that upstream costs nominally more and they don't want you to run a massive servers, but that large of a discrepency (20:1) just makes no sense.

What I think would make the most sense is giving people a few mbit upstream (closer to 2:1 or 3:1) and then limiting them to something reasonable, like 2gb/day (best done a floating 10gb/5 days or something). That way the upstream is there when needed, but doesn't let people run massive servers 24/7.

Ha ha (2, Interesting)

Djupblue (780563) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487591)

I pay less than half of that for 8/1 and no cap!
I live in Sweden.

Re:Ha ha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487707)

How about 24mbit :D Telia do that now :D

Re:Ha ha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487726)

Telia 24mbit for 34.3568 (approximately) GBP PER MONTH.

BITE ME, this is why Sweden is the top sharers on p2p networks like DC, and the fact that we dont want to pay for it :D

My speed. (1)

Nikeolis (608617) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487594)

I get Road Runner Premium from Time Warner Cable, and today they up'd the speed to 8Mbit down, an the upstream is 512/k I pay $10 (as an employee) but the cost is $64-80 depending on the level of service you have.

10mb (1)

sammcj2000 (763751) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487605)

can someone please tell me whats so amazing about this? you have been able to get 10Mbit and even 100Mbit (if you've got the $) for years and years in new zealand?? is england really far behind or have i missed something?

For comparison... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487607)

Here in Japan I pay for 50 mbps service which means it leaves the ADSL station at 50. My measured speed is usually between 10-15 though if I lived closer I would get closer to 30-40. For that, and also IP phone service with my own number I pay less than 50$US a month.

Preatty good deal here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487646)

6 mbps down / 768 kbps up ... $65.00 a month. I added another $5 dollars a month for the 5 static ips and the "business class" which basically means I can run a server. $70 bucks a month for solid coverage. Only complaint: My isp's usenet server retention sucks, but it makes due.

Great for the UK, Crap for the World (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487651)

As others have mentioned, this is poor value compared to the services available in many other countries. The fact is though that it's the best available in the UK at the moment. Hopefully, this will spur many other ISPs to offer similar services for a similar price. That's the main benefit.

8MBit to the CO (2, Insightful)

mnmn (145599) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487659)

How fast is the connection from the CO to other major backbones? How much of the 8mbit is committed bit rate? How much is guaranteed if say all possible users start downloading at the same time?

Is that ISP's network multihomed?

And even more importantly what is the latency to yahoo.com, Torontos 151 Front St, backbones in NYC, and the Silicon Valley Sprint networks? How much is the delay to alter.net routers?

In short, will you see 80ms or 30ms playing counterstrike on your average server in the US, Canada or Korea?

All this is assuming their internal switches are all non-blocking preferably gigabit switches with either gigabit or 10gigabit uplinks, not 10mbit ethernet hubs. Also assuming their modem and CO equipment are both nonblocking doing the pppoe and breaking up 1500-sized packets to fit because most people dont enter 1492 in their MTU settings.

If their networks are in such good shape, more uplinks will be appreciated more than higher speec downlinks, maybe 4mbit/1mbit or even 4mbit/4mbit SDSL, especially if they provide static non-pppoe IPs. These things simply allow other possibilities even for the consumer market which wants to share pictures, stream out videos to relatives, and run game servers.

With all ISPs inching up their technologies, upgrading their equipment in each iteration, it escapes me why dont they quite simply lay down fiber optic ethernet lines in the streets running at 100mbit both ways, and just be done with it. Their operating costs will absolutely plummett, and fiber optics do exceed the ADSL distance. What is cheaper, a new cisco or juniper DSLAM, with countless ADSL DMT/DOCSIS modems, or piles of made-in-taiwan switches and fiber cables??

In an entirely unrelated story... (4, Funny)

trawg (308495) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487665)

... UK downloads of major BitTorrent clients have increased by a factor of eleventy billion.

Sorry, the French already won this one. 20MB/30Eur (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487669)

http://www.free.fr/

20 Meg Down, 1 Meg up, 100+ channels TV,
Free fixed calls to all of France, Free
installation!

Expensive! (5, Informative)

silverz (803241) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487672)

That is very expensive. In Japan, for example ADSL connection from Yahoo Japan costs you about 4000 yen per month (less than 40 US dollar) for 50 Mbps ADSL.

And also fibre optic connection has become very common and cheaper. For example Usen Networks (one of the provider in Japan) provides 100 Mbps fibre optic connection for only 2950 per month.

I use the fibre optic that comes with 5 static IPs. And it costs me about 5000 yen per month.

Download cap is totally never heard in here. As far as I know, all packages come with unlimited bandwidth.

Not What it Seems ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11487716)

This is not available in most of the U.K. . Basically it relies on Easynet's unbundled exchange network - but of course they are only going to unbundle high revenue exchanges. So it just isn't going to happen for most U.K. ADSL users; sadly. :(

meanwhile, back in Sweden... (2, Interesting)

isecore (132059) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487717)

Here in Sweden this is commonplace. You can get 8mbits/1mbits from the Telco, pricetag about US$56/month. No download cap, no upload cap. You can get 24mbits/3mbits as well, but I'm too lazy to check the price on that.

Then there's several other companies offering DSL with various merits as well as prices.

Me, I'm happy with my fiber-LAN hookup. 10/10, no caps whatsoever, and five IP-adresses to use for whatever purpose I want. Price about US$40/month. If I want to I can get 100/100 for about US$80/month.

And yes, I know that we who live in Sweden are totally spoiled with broadband.

Nah (1)

lemonylimey (745130) | more than 9 years ago | (#11487720)

Bulldog Broadband [bulldogbroadband.com] tried an 8mb service in the UK for about six months, but dropped it because of poor takeup. I can't see this product doing any better since, like Bulldog's, it's only available in Central London where the population density makes it economical enough to cover British Telecom's exorbitant local exchange access fees. Even if you do live in London, you have to live within 2000 yards of an exchange to get 8mbps.

Although they say they have plans to expand this to other cities in the UK, I really don't see it happening.
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