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Obvious question, but... (4, Insightful)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 9 years ago | (#11497927)

...how much extra does the media cost that'll let you write to the label side?

Re:Obvious question, but... (5, Informative)

Blapto (839626) | more than 9 years ago | (#11497984)

LightScribe blanks will cost more than ordinary discs, but Verbatim says the difference will be less than the price of a sticky label and the ink needed to print on it. But anyone wanting to use the new system will need to buy a LightScribe drive, and that will cost around $200.
Says the New Scientist article linked to above. So I'd guesstimate that it would be around 50 cents per disk...

Re:Obvious question, but... (1, Informative)

ForestGrump (644805) | more than 9 years ago | (#11497988)

FTA:
LightScribe blanks will cost more than ordinary discs, but Verbatim says the difference will be less than the price of a sticky label and the ink needed to print on it. But anyone wanting to use the new system will need to buy a LightScribe drive, and that will cost around $200.

Re:Obvious question, but... (1)

blueday4 (569939) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498023)

and im sure this means pennies more than their already overpriced and underquality discs available. This seems to be dead before it even hit the water.. i expect it to go the same way as the writers that burn images on the data side

Re:Obvious question, but... (1)

Rei (128717) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498253)

I wonder how they're going to do color. Perhaps multiple layers, for which you burn down to the desired color layer? Or perhaps it's something like titanium, where the thickness of the oxide can determine the color? Here's a titanium etching like that:

http://www.theodoregray.com/PeriodicTable/Sample s/ 022.34/index.s12.html

Re:Obvious question, but... (2)

phalse phace (454635) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498015)

From the article, "LightScribe blanks will cost more than ordinary discs, but Verbatim says the difference will be less than the price of a sticky label and the ink needed to print on it...."

No fair... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11498045)

you guys looked at TFA!

Re:Obvious question, but... (1)

KinkifyTheNation (823618) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498052)

$200 for a fancy schmancy burning drive compared to $2 for a pack of magic markers? I think i'll stick to my "scruffy" handwriting.

Re:Obvious question, but... (1)

eln (21727) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498084)

The only people I could really see using this are independent bands who copy their own CDs (to make it look cooler and more professional), and possibly people selling bootleg CDs (although cover art has never been much of a draw in that market).

I agree it's a little extravagant for simple home backup purposes.

Re:Obvious question, but... (1)

SenorPez (840621) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498213)

100-disc Spindle of CD-R Discs: $30
Memorex Label Maker System (20 discs): $12
Total Cost: $90

100-disc Spindle of CD-R Discs: $30
Black Sharpie: $.45
Total Cost: $30.45

So, unless the Lightscribe discs cost less than an extra 4 cents a disc, why would I shell out $200 on a new burner?

Re:Obvious question, but... (2, Informative)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498228)

who cares.

until it can print in full color and cost nothing extra per disc except for the 36 cents in ink like my Epson R300 on the CD's and DVD's it's a joke that will not catch on like Yamaha's system that will put lettering or GFX on the data side empty space.

One set of ink carts in my R300 will print full color on over 200 CD's.

That is only 36 cents in ink for 100% color coverage on each disc. I can easily quadruple that yield by printing only black or color text and no photos, graphics or backgrounds.

Oh let's add one more thing, how much you want to bet that only windows will be able to print on the discs, linux, OSX and other operating systems will not be allowed to use that valuable secret printing technology.

Needs a built in label scanner.... (2, Insightful)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498248)

Since probaly 90% of CD burning is disc duping, you really need a scanner to dupe the label too.

Dupe (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11497930)

Again ...

That's a good idea (5, Funny)

DoorFrame (22108) | more than 9 years ago | (#11497933)

At last the goatse guy can make an album! I've been waiting for so long. And hell, the hold is already built into the disc!

Re:That's a good idea (2, Interesting)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498194)

Don't celebrate yet. Last time I tried some cover printing on a CD over at a friend's house, it got permanently stuck in my CD player. Yep, it was the most expensive label I ever paid for.

How many times are we going to see this story ? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11497936)

I must've seen it at least 4 times in the last 2 years..

blatent dupe (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11497937)

dupe. [slashdot.org]

Speaking of "Rippers" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11497943)


Gee, way to rip off the text of the article without even quoting it. Such integrity!

Previously covered on slashdot (2, Informative)

tOaOMiB (847361) | more than 9 years ago | (#11497946)

See here [slashdot.org]

or here (2, Insightful)

way2trivial (601132) | more than 9 years ago | (#11497990)

From march [slashdot.org]

Is it more than cosmetic? (1)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498077)

I have to wonder if this process will shorten the life of the cd the way adhesive labels are rumoured to do...

Re:Previously covered on slashdot (1)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498235)

"Previously covered on slashdot"

Yeah, well I missed it last time. I'll read here, you move on.

Is this really news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11497948)

I've been seeing ads for it from HP for weeks.

Great... (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11497953)

Now they can nail you for reproducing copyrighted artwork on your CDs full of downloaded music...

Add another 20 years in the pokey...

dupe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11497954)

another of these?

haven't these been around for years? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11497956)

I've had some cd writers before that were supposed to be able to burn an image onto the cd. I even remember a special version of nero that let you edit the image. What's so different about what is being discussed here?

Re:haven't these been around for years? (2, Informative)

Doomstalk (629173) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498056)

That's the tech where you can burn an image into the data side of the CD. This is different.

Re:haven't these been around for years? (1)

athakur999 (44340) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498294)

I think you're thinking about Yamaha's "T@2" (or something like that...) system that printed stuff on the unused portion of a CD-R.

This does not provide what I need. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11497958)

I want a pony!

Re:This does not provide what I need. (1)

thundercatslair (809424) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498069)

"I had a pony!" "who figures an immigrants got a pony from looking at all those pictures of immigrants getting off the boats at ellis island-- i never saw any of them with a pony!"

Neat concept (1)

podperson (592944) | more than 9 years ago | (#11497960)

In case the site is slashdotted...

The media is designed so that the laser that burns the data onto the CD can also create an image on the (far) side of the CD. It requires special media and special CD drives (of course) so who knows if it will become widely adopted, but a nice concept nonetheless.

No clue as to resolution of the image.

word choice? (2, Funny)

brewman123 (226200) | more than 9 years ago | (#11497966)

This means that rather than have to write the contents onto the media by hand, use a separate specialist
(word choice?) disc printer, or sticky label, users can achieve silk-screen quality images using LightScribe-enabled Verbatim CD/DVD discs with the optical drive's laser pickup.

apparently a bad word choice for "word choice?"

silk screen qualiry, but monochrom appearance (1)

way2trivial (601132) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498042)

I use an epson 960. beautiful full color images, I can make discs better than the riaa's...


here's a list of current models
Epson Stylus Photo R200

$99.00

Epson Stylus Photo R300

$179.00

Epson Stylus Photo R320

$199.99

Epson Stylus Photo R300M

$229.00

Epson Stylus Photo R800


Next month? (3, Informative)

glenmark (446320) | more than 9 years ago | (#11497968)

Er, they are already available. I know someone who has one....

Re:Next month? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11498031)

Well it was next month, the first time [slashdot.org] /. ran this story.

Re:Next month? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11498033)

By your definition nuclear weapons are also "available" because there are people who have some. Until you can walk into a store and buy one or go online and order one and actually have it delivered in some reasonable time frame, they are not yet available in any meaningful sense of the word.

Re:Next month? (1)

gnuorder (757415) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498128)

He is right, they have been available for at least 2 years for CD recorders. Sony had one for sale and I was torn between getting it or a DVD writer. I figured they would be out soon for DVD writers and be affordable by the time which ever I bought burned out.

Re:Next month? (2, Informative)

SlySlick (854003) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498182)

Yes, the computers have been available in retail outlets since at least Christmas, having sold many of them myself in the last month. Very nice concept and a strong selling point as well. Now all we can hope is that the technology becomes as widespread as Betamax...

Lifespan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11497970)

I recently read an article claiming that discs which are inscribed with a label have a shorter lifespan.

Has anyone gotten their hands on one of these, and run some first hand tests?

pirates dream... (1)

bird603568 (808629) | more than 9 years ago | (#11497972)

yes now my cd's can have a nice lable. actually i have an ipod, but a few years ago it would ahve been nice for one of my friends

Fantastic! (3, Insightful)

bigtallmofo (695287) | more than 9 years ago | (#11497973)

This will make it much easier to label the 42 DVD+Rs it takes to back up the home MiniDV digital camcorder videos I store on my computer.

Now if only they'd do something silly, like agree on future DVD standards that actually might make a removable media device that keeps up with today's hard drive sizes, we'd be set. In the meantime, we now have been spared the torture of printing DVD labels on a separate device. That's something.

Good for the hobbyist (2, Interesting)

Bluesuperman (843038) | more than 9 years ago | (#11497981)

Cool ... finally I can make pretty images for my Linux distro CD's !!! I think this will be good for the home user and hobbyist but not for professionals. Michael.

Special Media? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11497985)

Until they eliminate the need for special media to make this work, I think I'll pass.

not again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11497989)

this was covered by /. a while ago, crappy technology that forces you buy special coated disks. No thanks.

No thanks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11497993)

If it wasn't made by Apple, then it is not worth wasting my time on.

This isn't a dupe...it's a trip (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11498000)

This is the third time I've seen this story on Slashdot.

Slashdot - News for Amnesiacs

This is not such a good idea. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11498002)

Now, not only can the contents of your CD fade with age, but the labels will as well!

(I've been archiving over 400 cds this week onto DVDs, some don't work for no reason. They do fade!).

Wasn't this reported... (1)

FinchWorld (845331) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498005)

...just a while back?

And didn't everyone decide it was overpriced/not that good/cheaper to use cd label printers?

I however shall continue to draw on my Cd's using crayon, I knew childhood had a purpose somewhere.

It was a good run, while it lasted... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11498007)

... but so end the days of the music megaconglomorate.

This is how the music died.
This is how the music died.
This is how the music dies.
Not with a format, but with a printer.

Printable media with color now (1)

rk2z (649358) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498018)

Why not go with the inkjet printable media and go with a cd tray enabled printer. It's here now and it does color.

Re:Printable media with color now (1)

CrankyFool (680025) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498217)

The primary reason against that, I'd think is availability issues.

Until recently, I was under the impression that only two Epson models could do CD/DVD printing, and nobody else had printers that could do this. Turns out this is unique to the US -- because Canon, for example, has their entire Pixma product print to CD/DVD if you buy the non-US versions, but the US versions are hobbled.

My own solution to this is simple -- I'm getting a friend to bring me back a Pixma from Australia -- but most people just aren't going to have an easy time getting a printer in the US that can do this, I think (expecially if, like me, they hate Epson).

Potential use springs to mind immediately (1)

William_Lee (834197) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498019)

Although I wouldn't buy one of these unless both the media and burner were pretty cheap, this would be great to use with a CD ripping program to automatically grab the song titles and times from something like Gracenote and automatically burn them onto the CD. It would be nice to see some of the major mp3 ripping/encoding packages supporting this feature quickly.

Cool (1)

th1ckasabr1ck (752151) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498021)

Now I can make just about exactly the same thing they sell in the stores at a tiny fraction of the cost. I can burn the disc, print the image on the disc, and then print out the insert.

I wish that more music/games/movies/etc. came with cool packaging or another incentive to actually buy the physical media. I still buy all of the music that I listen to legally, but the reasons/benefits for doing so (other than 'it's the law') are disappearing quickly.

Re:Cool (1)

Artifakt (700173) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498251)

Burned disks tend to age badly. Estimates are that you will lose about 1 disk in 10 after just two years, if you are like the avarge home media burner. Most will need recopied in four or five years at best. So if you hope to get the CD or DVD out again ten years down the road, better go with commercial media. That said, if you expect the disk to get scratched up in six months, or you get bored with the music in two, your incentives for buying a lasting one are non-existant anyway.
Here's to the RIAA - push ephemeral music for the I want it now generation, then wonder why people are moving to an ephemeral solution. The more you just want to play what's new! new! new!, the better burning your own looks.

slashdoted already (1)

climbing_monkey (809613) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498053)

8 min after it gets posted Verbatim gets slashdoted...go slashdotters go! in other news, "slashdotted" gets submited for addition to websters dictionary

too little too late (1)

edeus (853971) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498058)

I was excited about this line of "technology" the last few times i heard about it earlier this millenia... With the price of disc printers/all in one printers as they are, I dont know how it will secure much more than a niche market; and without mainstream support, stock availability will always be a specialised item at best. But that said, I still want to have the swish burned in labels! :)

Will hit the market? (1)

DaFallus (805248) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498064)

I saw a computer with a LightScribe drive at CompUSA last week. I believe it was an HP something or other, but after the sales-person finally left me alone to go harass the people in the mac section of the store, I got to play around with it a little bit. Certainly looks a lot better than what those Disc Stompers produce.

Re:Will hit the market? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11498258)

and still cant touch the look of the printing of a $79.00 Epson Photo R200 on the CD or DVD.

call me when it can do full color at 1200 dpi.

meh (1)

Jaana (125042) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498068)

Wow, if the site weren't being slashdotted right now, I might could put in here how much I'll be saving by just using an old school burner and a sharpie!

Printing label's is fine but... (1)

starnix (636547) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498107)

will it be able to RIP the label off of whatever media you are copying to make an exact copy?

Why is the news.... (1)

Ogman (591131) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498122)

...when I have been able to print on CDs with my Epson for a couple of years now?

how about reading the article? (1)

amnesiaWind (613053) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498293)

really?! you have an Epson *CD BURNER* that prints cd labels using the burner's laser? that's amazing, because Epson doesn't list that in their product line on their web site... ... oh wait, you simply didn't read the article at all and you thought we were talking about printers, i see!

I can see this looking really dated, really fast (4, Interesting)

dim5 (844238) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498131)

I can't watch TV for half an hour without seeing the snowboarding ad showing off LightScribe.

Sure, it's cool... the first time you see it. But it's all done in one sepia tone. I don't see how the technology could advance to include color using a CDR laser, so prepare to get all the monotone fun you can handle. As soon as a more useful idea for CD labelling comes along, no one will be impressed with LightScribe, and the people that couldn't wait to use it will be embarassed to, because it will have gone from looking "high tech" to very dated.

Kind of like my Casio wrist camera.

Re:I can see this looking really dated, really fas (1)

dim5 (844238) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498173)

I'll point out before anybody else does that I didn't RTFA very carefully. Doh!

Nice (1)

springbox (853816) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498141)

This looks like really great stuff. I would prefer having this over a marker. I still can't find that darn thing and there are CDs that need labeling..

Ok, it's pretty cool (1)

digitalgimpus (468277) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498144)

I'm surpised to see it come with HP affiliated with it though. They aren't exactly inovators these days. If I had to guess, I would have guessed: Apple, Sony.

My question is cost. Media any different? Is there any patents that would hinder low cost of unit?

That typically defines what succeeds and fails. cost of use.

Flip the disc (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11498175)

Oh yeah and you have to flip the disc so the laser can write the other side. I got to open up another program, take the disc out, flip it, put it back in, let it burn the label for who knows how long(a minute?) and then it's done. This along with a higher price per disc.

I bought a Sharpie for a buck ninety four. It lets you write or draw pretty much anything on the disc, but it doesn't require special media. Still no word on when Linux support is coming though.

doesn't lightscribe advertise on slashdot? (1)

amnesiaWind (613053) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498188)

not only has this article been on slashdot before, but i'm pretty sure i've seen advertisements for lightscribe on slashdot.... in fact i first heard of this device by clicking on one of those ads, long before either of the articles was posted - i thought it was this site but it may have been another, so feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.

hopper-fed solution? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11498211)

OK, to use this system you have to flip the disc over to write the label... not the solution I'm still waiting for.

What I want is something:
* hopper-fed (so I can just load 100 blanks into it)
* can burn a cd and then print a label on it (even a low-quality one)
* is openstandard-friendly enough that I can write a program to design the labels automatically.
* Ideally does DVR[+/-]R too

Then I can write scripts that do things like "do a full backup of my system onto ~10 DVDs each labeled with the date and sequence number" or "burn all of the music I use for DJing onto audio CDs and label them with the track titles and BPMs" I don't care if these tasks take all night as long as they don't require my intervention.

I've seen some hopper fed CD burners but they were REALLY expensive and didn't do the printing in the same step.

Anyone have the solution?

Ahhhhh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11498215)

Dupes are killing baby jesus you heartless bastards!

Wouldn't this turn into... (1)

g33ker (853100) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498230)

... The same type of psuedo-monopoly (I guess you could call it that) that printer companies have... After the product has been established, the hardware prices fall to about 30 GBP, but the price of replacement ink cartridges will cost about two thirds to three quarters of the cost of the printer in the first place?

Picture or data? (1)

. visplek . (788207) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498231)

I believe that where the image is, no data can be burned. So a CDROM with an image covering the entire CD will look pretty cool but can hold no data. Will this lead to burning 10 Mb of data on a CDROM to have a bigger/cooler image on it? That would suck.

Interesting, but.... (1)

shoemakc (448730) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498238)

Hmmm.....replacing a perfectly fine cd writer and a massive stockpile of blank cdr's and having spiffy labels vs using a sharpie and having functional ones.

Hmmm....let me think about this one a momment...

Wait Wait, don't tell me...

-Chris

Mirror of Verbatim EUROPE's website: (1)

gik (256327) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498240)

Warning: Too many connections in /var/www/www.verbatim-europe.com/includes/sql.clas s.php on line 72

Warning: MySQL Connection Failed: Too many connections in /var/www/www.verbatim-europe.com/includes/sql.clas s.php on line 72

Warning: Cannot add header information - headers already sent by (output started at /var/www/www.verbatim-europe.com/includes/sql.clas s.php:72) in /var/www/www.verbatim-europe.com/includes/leftnavi .php on line 10

Warning: Too many connections in /var/www/www.verbatim-europe.com/includes/sql.clas s.php on line 72

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Warning: Too many connections in /var/www/www.verbatim-europe.com/includes/sql.clas s.php on line 109

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Warning: MySQL: A link to the server could not be established in /var/www/www.verbatim-europe.com/includes/sql.clas s.php on line 109

Warning: Failed opening '../includes/mysql_log.class.php' for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/share/pear') in /var/www/www.verbatim-europe.com/includes/sql.clas s.php on line 164

Fatal error: Cannot instantiate non-existent class: mysql_log in /var/www/www.verbatim-europe.com/includes/sql.clas s.php on line 165

Seriously, this is verbatim's website. Awesome.

progress is good (1)

Xorkid (854002) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498271)

But its been around for a while but just not widely available. Was the next big thing when I used work at HP, never caught on first time round. IIRC can be used for CDRW for, you guesed it, re writeble labels- obviously at higher cost. What would be cool is if the laser could be used to burn through a white layer to 3 different coloured layers. The time the laser is on determines the colour (off=white). You could get really high quality full colour discs. syd

Again? (1)

Kell_pt (789485) | more than 9 years ago | (#11498276)

When I log into ./ and check the latest news, I sometimes wonder wether by some twist of caching I am watching a page from ages ago...

Exactly how many times do news on LightScribe [slashdot.org] have to be reported?

Oh well. :)

A lot of things have been said on that previous news thread, including media costs and other companies subscribing to this technology, so if you're actually interested, reading it [slashdot.org] is recommended.
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