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MGM's DVD Class Action Settlement

CowboyNeal posted more than 9 years ago | from the loss-of-picture-quality dept.

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MrFreak writes "Apparently all of MGM's 'theatrical wide screen' DVD releases for the last few years have been the pan-scanned versions with the top and bottoms cut off. I checked this against my copy of CQ, and it's true. The list (PDF) of butchered movies includes almost every Woody Allen film, Silence of the Lambs, and Ghost World, just to name a few. If you own any of the eligible movies, you have until March 31 to either opt to exchange your copy for $7.10, or a new DVD from MGM, presumably in its proper aspect ratio." Update: 01/28 19:44 GMT by M : The above is not correct. A comment does a reasonable job of explaining; see the Aspect Ratio FAQ for background. The movies themselves have not been cut twice; they've been cut once, because they were originally formatted for television.

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fp! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502319)

I r00l

Re:fp! (0, Offtopic)

Ads are broken (718513) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502333)

Goog morning and congratulations! I am honored to have your first reply.

Wow. (1, Insightful)

ONU CS Geek (323473) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502325)

It's down already.

Actually, while it was in the "Members only" phase, it seemed to go down, but the google cache of this stuff has the info as well as the cached files (and the HTML files for those who don't like to read PDF files).

Maybe they pulled it before it got too much attention? The big media companies would never do that. Never.

Re:Wow. MIRROR (1)

Lord Prox (521892) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502425)

Here is a mirror.... [western-alliance.net] for what it's worth.

now fetching a bucket for when my server pukes.

R1 only? (5, Interesting)

philbowman (707419) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502326)

Does this only apply to R1 disks, or are other regions similarly faulty? Do we (e.g. in the UK) have any recourse if so? Also, will the replacement DVDs they're offering still be the dodgy ones?

Re:R1 only? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502473)

According to http://mgmdvdsettlement.com/notice.php3 [mgmdvdsettlement.com] , it's for US customers only.

Re:R1 only? (2, Informative)

sifi (170630) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502479)

From the notice of class action settlement:

ALL CONSUMERS IN THE UNITED STATES WHO OWM MGM WIDESCREEN DVDS IDENTIFIED IN THIS NOTICE

So I guess that means it is only important where you live, not what the region encoding is. If you are still unsure you can call the Claims Administrator at the folling toll-free number 1-800-285-2168

Failing that I'd call watchdog :-) (UK's consumer 'justice' programme)

Re:R1 only? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502483)

There would probably need to be a similar suit in the UK for her citizens to be eligible for said relief.

You could always try filing a claim anyway.

What this? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502571)

Is hell freezing over or did I just hear a European wanting to be included in the US legal system?

Myopia (3, Insightful)

psi42 (747491) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502327)

Heh... are we all so blind?


I don't remember noticing this, or hearing about it.

Re:Myopia (1)

the_sidewinder (850641) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502437)

Well I guess it's a good thing someone was paying attention

Re:Myopia (1)

Lifereaper0 (850920) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502445)

It's tough to tell unless you have a good copy to compare against. And why would you hear about it? Most of the news companies are owned by giant companies that may have had dealings with MGN before. You don't report this kind of thing.

How to tell if you are a linux fanatic. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502328)

AKA a nazi fanatic loser.

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How to tell if you really are a linux fanatic. (-1, Offtopic)

Orgazmus (761208) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502358)

1. You like doing things the hard way for the fun of it.

2. You think of a computer as a toy.

3. You dont buy penis enlargement pills, because you really dont need it.

2. You feed the trolls.

Re:How to tell if you really are a linux fanatic. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502416)

2. Post as AC
1. Get the order right

Re:How to tell if you are a linux fanatic. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502394)

Even though you'll get modded down to -20 for that post, I still think it was pretty funny.

I'm aghast! (5, Funny)

bigtallmofo (695287) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502329)

I noticed this recently when I downloaded the iso .torrent of Silence of the Lambs and burned it to a DVD with DVDShrink. I'm outraged that they would rip me off like this!

I'm going to contact them immediately and ask for them to make restitution.

Re:I'm aghast! (1)

Laurentiu (830504) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502523)

They will probably apologise and offer you a tracker to the new version, plus a brand new suit. Law suit, that is.

Re:I'm aghast! (4, Insightful)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502554)

Yep. Funny. But look at the dollar figures:
Media Giant rips you off:.. $7.10 per copy
You rip off Media Giant:.$150,000 per copy
... and ...
Media Giant does this in an organized fashion: no criminal sanctions
You do this in an organized fashion:.........: criminal record, PMITA jail time

Stargate (1)

antivoid (751399) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502330)

Finally. I dont know why they butchered all the movies. Does that mean I can send my stargate collection back for a replacement?

:)

Interesting... (5, Interesting)

skatrek (560550) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502335)

I've been trying to convince my dad all these years that the widescreen versions DO contain more of a scene than the fullscreen versions - "they just cut the sides off for fullscreen! it just *looks* like it's less in widescreen!" but apparently he was right (at least in a few cases ;)

Re:Interesting... (1)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502470)

Heh yeah. The thing is that when they remove the matte for this type of thing, you sometimes get shots where you can see the mike boom and other things the director and editor never intended.

Re:Interesting... (4, Informative)

tgibbs (83782) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502610)

In fact, for quite a few movies the "fullscreen" version does [widescreen.org] contain more of the image than the widescreen version. Even in this case, however, there is an argument for the widescreen version, because the director composes a scene with widescreen in mind.

What about the UK (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502338)

Have the UK had the same problem ? If so where do we stand or is the settlement only for the USA.

Re:What about the UK (4, Informative)

blacksway (464427) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502487)

The Notice on the web site states:

"Settlement Class" means all consumers in the United States who acquired or purchased for their own use and not for resale widescreen DVDs manufactured by or on behalf of MGM which were created for films shot in the aspect ratio of 1.85 to 1 or 1.66 to 1 from December 1998 to September 8, 2003.

So not the UK.

Also, from what I read it the March 31st deadline is for the opt out of the class action suit - and not the exchange of the DVD.

Also, the action hasn't gone to court yet (by the looks of it) so hasn't even been won! The hearing is scheduled for May 16, 2005 at 10:30 a.m. at Department CCW-322 of the Los Angeles Superior Court.

All of them? (1)

Warmth Is Life (569686) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502340)

I'm not so sure about that. It seems to me that the list mainly consists of films that were not very high in priority for MGM. The list of butchered DVDs is definitely not a complete list of all releases from the past few years.

Re:All of them? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502375)

Well, it would help to look at the list. With movies like Hannibal, Spaceballs, Robocop, Terminatior, etc...i'm not entirely convinced that they are not high priority.

Text (4, Informative)

psi42 (747491) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502343)

Eallonardo, et al. v MGM, et al., Claims Administration Website

Welcome to the MGM DVD Settlement Website

You are a member of the proposed settlement class if between December 1, 1998 to September 8, 2003, you purchased certain MGM widescreen DVDs (DVDs for films shot in the aspect ratio of 1.85 to 1 or 1.66 to 1). To view the Eligible DVD List, please click here. To view the detailed Notice of Class Action and Proposed Settlement, please click here.

If the proposed settlement is approved by the Court, Class Members who submit timely and valid Claim Forms may exchange each Eligible DVD for (i) a new MGM DVD from a list of 325 titles or (ii) $7.10. To request a Claim Form, call 1-800-285-2168 (toll free). Before requesting a Claim Form, please verify that your DVD is an Eligible DVD by reviewing the Eligible DVD List. To view the Eligible DVD List, please click here. Claim Forms must be returned to the Claims Administrator postmarked on or before March 31, 2005.

If you do not want to remain part of the Class, you must submit a timely and valid Request for Exclusion Form postmarked on or before March 31, 2005. To obtain a Request for Exclusion Form, please click here.

If you want to remain in the Class, but object to the terms of the Settlement, you must file and serve your objection with the Court and counsel on or before April 11, 2005. The detailed Notice of Class Action and Proposed Settlement provides instructions. To view the detailed Notice of Class Action and Proposed Settlement, please click here.

The Court will consider the adequacy and fairness of the proposed settlement at a hearing scheduled for May 16, 2005 at 10:30 a.m., 600 South Commonwealth Avenue, Department 322 Central Civil West, Los Angeles, California 90005.

PLEASE NOTE THE FOLLOWING IMPORTANT DATES:
March 31, 2005 Deadline to Submit Claim Forms

March 31, 2005 Deadline to Opt Out of the Settlement

April 11, 2005 Deadline to Object to the Settlement

May 16, 2005 Court Hearing to Determine Fairness of Settlement

Re:Text (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502491)

The wording in the settlement seems to suggest that I will receive this "list of 325 titles" with my claim form, which I have just requested, via the toll-free number.

Text list of movies (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502495)

Posted as AC for your pleasure:

MGM Class Action Settlement
ELIGIBLE DVD LIST
10 TO MIDNIGHT | 1969 | 1984 | 24 HOUR PARTY PEOPLE
3 STRIKES | 8 HEADS IN A DUFFEL BAG | ABOMINABLE DR. PHIBES, THE | ACROSS 110th STREET
ALICE | ALICE'S RESTAURANT | ALL DOGS GO TO HEAVEN | ALL DOGS GO TO HEAVEN 2
ALL OR NOTHING | ALPHABET CITY | AMAZING GRACE | AMERICAN BUFFALO
AMERICAN NINJA | AMERICAN NINJA 2 & 3 | AMITYVILLE HORROR, THE | AMOS & ANDREW
ANGEL LEVINE, THE | ANGEL UNCHAINED/CYCLE SAVAGES | ANGELS AND INSECTS | ANNIE HALL
ANOTHER WOMAN | ASSASSINATION | AT FIRST SIGHT | AT FIRST SIGHT/KILL ME AGAIN
AT THE EARTH'S CORE | ATTIC, THE/CRAWL SPACE | AUDREY ROSE | AUTUMN IN NEW YORK
AVANTI! | AVIATOR, THE | BABETTE'S FEAST | BABY BOOM
BACK TO SCHOOL | BAD INFLUENCE | BAGDAD CAFÉ | BANANAS
BAR GIRLS | BARBERSHOP | BASIC TRAINING | BASKET, THE
BEAT STREET | BELIEVERS, THE | BENNY AND JOON | BENT
BEST SELLER | BILL AND TED'S BOGUS JOURNEY | BILL AND TED'S EXCELLENT ADVENTURE | BILLION DOLLAR HOBO, THE
BIODOME | BIRDCAGE, THE | BIRDMAN OF ALCATRAZ | BLACK CAESAR
BLACK MAMA, WHITE MAMA | BLACK ROBE | BLACK STALLION 1 & 2, THE | BLACK STALLION RETURNS, THE
BLACK STALLION, THE | BLUE SKY | BLUE STEEL | BODY OF EVIDENCE
BORN ROMANTIC | BOUND FOR GLORY | BOXCAR BERTHA | BOXING HELENA
BREAKER! BREAKER! | BREAKHEART PASS | BREAKIN' | BREAKIN' 2: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO
BREAKING IN | BREATHLESS | BREATHLESS/RED CORNER | BREEDERS
BRIDE WORE BLACK, THE | BRIGHT LIGHTS, BIG CITY | BROADWAY DANNY ROSE | BUCKTOWN
BULL DURHAM | BUSINESS OF STRANGERS | CADILLAC MAN | CAMILLE CLAUDEL
CANDYMAN 2: FAREWELL TO THE FLESH | CARRIE - 25TH ANNIVERSARY | CARRINGTON | CATCH THE HEAT
CAVEMAN | CHARLES BRONSON | CHATO'S LAND | CHEECH AND CHONG CORSICAN BROS
CHERRY 2000 | CHILDREN'S HOUR | CHILD'S PLAY | CHOCOLATE
CHOOSE ME | CHRISTINA'S HOUSE | CITY OF INDUSTRY | CITY SLICKERS
CLASS | CLASS/YOUNGBLOOD | CLEAN SLATE | COCA COLA KID, THE
CODE OF SILENCE | COFFY | COLORS | COMING HOME
COMPANY BUSINESS | COOLEY HIGH | CORNBREAD, EARL, AND ME | COTTON CLUB
COTTON COMES TO HARLEM | COUCH TRIP | COUNT YORGA, VAMPIRE | COURAGE MOUNTAIN
CQ | CRIME AND PUNISHMENT IN SUBURBIA | CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS | CRYBANSHEE/MURDERSRUEMORGUE
CUBA | CUTTERS WAY | CUTTING EDGE, THE | CYBORG
DARK HALF, THE | DE SADE | DEAD MAN WALKING | DEAD OF WINTER
DEATH WARRANT | DECAMERON, THE | DEFIANT ONES | DELIRIOUS
DELTA FORCE | DELTA FORCE II | DERANGED/MOTEL HELL | DESERT HEARTS
DESPERATE HOURS | DESPERATELY SEEKING SUSAN | DIGGSTOWN | DILLINGER
DIRTY ROTTEN SCOUNDRELS | DIRTY WORK | DISTURBING BEHAVIOR | DOGS OF WAR, THE
DOLL'S HOUSE | DOMINICK AND EUGENE | DONOVAN'S BRAIN | DOUBLE IMPACT
DR. NO | DR. PHIBES RISES AGAIN | DUEL AT DIABLO | DUNWICH HORROR, THE
EASY MONEY | EAT, DRINK, MAN, WOMAN | ECHO PARK | EDDIE AND THE CRUISERS
EDGE OF SANITY | EIGHT MEN OUT | ELECTRA | ELMER GANTRY
EMPIRE OF THE ANTS | END, THE | ENTERTAINER, THE | EQUUS
EUROPA EUROPA | EVE OF DESTRUCTION | EVERYTHING YOU ALWAYS WANTED | EXTREME ADVENTURES OF SUPER DAVE
EXTREMITIES | EYE FOR AN EYE | EYE OF THE NEEDLE | FALCON AND THE SNOWMAN, THE
FATAL BEAUTY | FATAL INSTINCT | FAVOR, THE | FELLINI'S ROMA
FIRES WITHIN | FIRST POWER, THE | FISH CALLED WANDA, A | FIVE ON THE BLACK HAND SIDE
FLAMINGO KID | FLAWLESS | FLED | FLIGHT OF THE INNOCENT | FLIRTING | FLUKE
FLUKE/NAPOLEON | FOUR WEDDINGS AND A FUNERAL | FOXES | FOXY BROWN
FRANKIE & JOHNNY | FRENCH LIEUTENANT'S WOMAN, THE
FRIDAY FOSTER | FRITZ THE CAT | FROGS | FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE
FULL MOON IN BLUE WATER | FUNNY THING HAPPENED ON THE WAY, A
FUZZ | FX | FX2 | GANGSTER NO. 1 | GET SHORTY | GETTING EVEN WITH DAD
GHOST WORLD | GIRL WITH GREEN EYES | GOLDFINGER | GOOD WIFE, THE
GORKY PARK | GREAT BALLS OF FIRE | GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY, THE | GREAT WALL, A
GREGORY'S GIRL | GUY THING, A | HAIR | HANDMAID'S TALE, THE
HANG 'EM HIGH | HANGING GARDEN | HANNAH AND HER SISTERS | HANNIBAL
HANNIBAL/SOL | HAPPY ACCIDENTS | HARLEY DAVIDSON & THE MARLBORO MAN | HAUNTED HONEYMOON
HEART OF DIXIE | HEAVY TRAFFIC | HELL UP IN HARLEM | HENRY V (K. BRANAUGH)
HERO AND THE TERROR, THE | HIDDEN AGENDA | HIGH SEASON | HIGH SPIRITS
HOLCROFT COVENANT, THE | HOLLYWOOD SHUFFLE | HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS | HOME OF OUR OWN
HONEYMOON IN VEGAS | HONEYMOONVEGAS/AMOSANDREW | HOODLUM | HOODLUM PRIEST, THE
HOOSIERS | HOPE AND GLORY | HORSE SOLDIERS, THE | HOT DOG THE MOVIE
HOT SPOT | HOTEL NEW HAMPSHIRE, THE | HOUND OF BASKERVILLES, THE | HOUSE OF GAMES
HOW TO BEAT... HIGH COSTS OF LIVING | HOW TO MURDER YOUR WIFE
HOWLING, THE | I SHOT ANDY WARHOL | I WANT TO LIVE | IDOLMAKER, THE
I'M GONNA GIT YOU SUCKA | IMPROMPTU | IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT | INDIAN RUNNER, THE
INHERIT THE WIND ('60) | INTERIORS | INVASION OF BODY SNATCHERS | INVASION USA
ISLAND OF DOCTOR MOREAU, THE | JACK AND BARAH | JANUARY MAN | JASON'S LYRIC
JD'S REVENGE | JEEPERS CREEPERS | JEFFREY | JOE
JOEY | JOHNNY BE GOOD | JUST THE TICKET | JUST THE TICKET/HOODLUM
KILL ME AGAIN | KILLER KLOWNS FROM OUTER SPACE | KILLING ME SOFTLY | KING SOLOMON'S MINES
KINJITE: FORBIDDEN SUBJECTS | KISS ME DEADLY | KNACK AND HOW TO GET IT, THE | KOYAANISQATSI
KOYAANISQATSI/ POWAQQATSI | LA CAGE AUX FOLLES | LA CAGE AUX FOLLES 2 | LAMBADA
LARGER THAN LIFE | LAST AMERICAN VIRGIN | LAST WALTZ, THE | LAWMAN
LEARNING CURVE, THE | LENNY | LIEBERSTRAUM | LIFE STINKS
LILIES OF THE FIELD | LITTLE MAN TATE | LIVE AND LET DIE | LONE WOLF MCQUADE
LONELY HEARTS ('83) | LONG RIDERS, THE | LONG SHOT/THEY WENT THAT-A-WAY | LONGTIME COMPANION
LOOK BACK IN ANGER | LORD OF ILLUSIONS | LORD OF THE FLIES | LOSIN' IT
LOVE AND DEATH | LOVE FIELD | LOVER, THE | MADAME BOVARY
MADNESS OF KING GEORGE, THE | MAKING MR. RIGHT | MAKING THE GRADE | MALICE
MAN IN THE IRON MASK | MAN IN THE MOON | MAN WHO LOVED WOMEN, THE | MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN
MANHATTAN PROJECT, THE | MANNEQUIN | MARAT SADE | MARIA'S LOVERS | MARLENE DIETRICH: HER OWN SONG | MARRIED TO IT
MARRIED TO THE MOB | MAXIE | MCKENZIE BREAK, THE | MEAN SEASON, THE | MECHANIC, THE | MEMORIES OF ME
MEN AT WORK | MERMAIDS | MESSENGER OF DEATH | METEOR MAN | MIAMI BLUES | MIDNIGHT COWBOY
MIDSUMMER NIGHT'S SEX COMEDY | MIGHTY QUINN, THE | MIRACLE WORKER, THE | MISERY
MISFITS, THE | MISS JULIE | MISSING IN ACTION | MISSING IN ACTION 2&3 | MISSISSIPPI BURNING | MOD SQUAD
MODERNS, THE | MOLLY | MONKEY SHINES | MOONSTRUCK | MORONS FROM OUTERSPACE | MOSQUITO SQUADRON
MOUSE ON THE MOON | MR. ACCIDENT | MR. MAJESTYK | MR. MOM | MR. NORTH | MR. SATURDAY NIGHT
MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING | MURPHY'S LAW | MUSIC FROM ANOTHER ROOM | MY FATHER'S GLORY
MY MOTHER'S CASTLE | MYSTERY DATE | MYSTERY TRAIN | MYSTIC PIZZA | NAPOLEON | NAVY SEALS
NEEDFUL THINGS | NEVER ON SUNDAY | NIGHT OF THE HUNTER ('55) | NIGHT OF THE SHOOTING STARS
NINE LIVES OF FRITZ THE CAT, THE | NO MAN'S LAND | NO SUCH THING | NO WAY OUT
NOMADS | NOT WITH OUT MY DAUGHTER | OBLONGBOX/SCREAM&SCREAM AGAIN | OF MICE AND MEN
ON THE BEACH | ONION FIELD, THE | OPERATION AMSTERDAM | ORGANIZATION, THE
ORIGINAL GANGSTAS | OTELLO | OUR SONG | OVERBOARD | PACKAGE, THE | PALOOKAVILLE
PAULINE AT THE BEACH | PEBBLE AND THE PENGUIN | PERSONAL VELOCITY | PHANTASM
PHANTASM IV: OBLIVION | PLANET OF THE VAMPIRES | PLATOON | POPE OF GREENWICH VILLAGE
POPI | PORK CHOP HILL | POWAQQATSI | PRANCER | PRAYER FOR THE DYING | PRIDE AND PASSION, THE
PRINCESS BRIDE | PRISONER OF THE MOUNTAIN | PRIVATE FUNCTION, A | PRIVATES ON PARADE
PRODUCERS, THE | PSYCH OUT/ TRIP, THE | PUMPKIN | PUMPKINHEAD | PURPLE ROSE OF CAIRO, THE | RACHEL PAPERS, THE
RADIO DAYS | RAGE OF HONOR | RAGE, THE: CARRIE 2 | RAGING BULL | RAIN MAN | RANCHO DELUXE
RAPPIN' | RED CORNER | RED DAWN | REMO WILLIAMS | RETURN OF THE LIVING DEAD, THE | RETURN TO ME
REVENGE OF THE NINJA | RHAPSODY IN AUGUST | RIVER'S EDGE | ROAD TO HONG KONG, THE | ROADIE | ROBOCOP
ROCKY | ROCKY I | ROCKY II | ROCKY III | ROCKY IV | ROCKY V | ROLLERBALL | ROMANTIC COMEDY
ROMEO IS BLEEDING | RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP | RUNAWAY TRAIN | RUSH | SALAAM BOMBAY | SALSA
SALVADOR | SATURDAY NIGHT & SUNDAY MORNING | SCANNERS | SECRET ADMIRER
SECRET OF NIMH, THE | SEMI-TOUGH | SEPARATE TABLES | SEPTEMBER ('87) | SFW | SHADOWS AND FOG ('92)
SHAG | SHALLOW GRAVE | SHEBA BABY | SHE-DEVIL | SIBLING RIVALRY | SID & NANCY
SILENCE OF THE LAMBS | SLAUGHTER | SLAUGHTER'S BIG RIP OFF | SLEEPER | SOME LIKE IT HOT | SOMETHING WILD
SOUTHERN COMFORT | SPACEBALLS | SPECIES 2 | SPEECHLESS | SPETTERS | SPRING FORWARD | STARDUST MEMORIES | STATE OF GRACE
STONEBROOK | STOREFRONT HITCHCOCK | STORMY MONDAY | STORY OF ADELE H. | STRANGER OF PARADISE | SUM OF US, THE
SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL GUNFIGHTER | SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL SHERIFF | SUPPORT...LOCAL GUNFIGHT/SHERIFF | SWEET SMELL OF SUCCESS
TAFFIN | TALE OF SPRINGTIME, A | TEA WITH MUSSOLINI | TEEN WOLF/TEEN WOLF TOO | TERMINATOR, THE | TERROR IN A TEXAS TOWN
TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE II | TEXASVILLE | THEATRE OF BLOOD | THEY CALL ME MISTER TIBBS
THIEF | THIEF OF BAGDAD, THE ('40) | THING WITH TWO HEADS, THE | THINGS YOU CAN TELL LOOKING AT HER
THIS IS SPINAL TAP | THOMAS CROWN AFFAIR ('68) | THRASHIN' | THROW MAMA FROM THE TRAIN
TO LIVE | TOM JONES | TRAIN, THE | TRIUMPH OF THE SPIRIT | TRUCK TURNER | TRUE HEART/COURAGE MOUNTAIN
TRUE LOVE | TUNE IN TOMORROW | TWELVE ANGRY MEN | TWICE TOLD TALES | UHF | UNBEARABLE LIGHTNESS OF BEING
UNDER FIRE | UNDERCOVER BLUES | UNFORGETTABLE | UNTAMED HEART | VALDEZ IS COMING | VALLEY GIRL
VAMPIRE'S KISS | WAITING FOR THE LIGHT | WAR HUNT | WARGAMES | WATER BABIES | WHAT MATTER HELEN/SLEW AUNTIE
WHAT'S THE WORST... COULD HAPPEN | WHEN HARRY MET SALLY | WHERE'S POPPA | WHISTLE BLOWER
WHITE LIGHTENING | WHO'LL STOP THE RAIN | WILD BILL | WILD ORCHID | WITNESS FOR THE PROSECUTION | WOMAN IN RED, THE
WOMEN IN LOVE | WOMEN ON THE VERGE OF NERVOUS BREAKDOWN | WOODY ALLEN | WOODY ALLEN
WUTHERING HEIGHTS ('70) | X, THE MAN WITH X-RAY EYES | XX/XY | Y TU MAMA TAMBIEN | YELLOW SUBMARINE | YOUNG BLOOD
YOURS, MINE, AND OURS | ZELIG

reminds me of... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502346)

that Dodge Magnum commercial where the driver stops, gets out of the car and plucks those fake wide-screen panels off the TV screen and sticks em in the back of the car...

Er. (3, Interesting)

Jethro (14165) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502349)

So I can replace all these DVDs I bought for about $15 each for $7.10 each? How does that make sense? And does it say anywhere that they'll re-release these in /real/ widescreen anywhere? (I've got four DVDs so far and I'm still on page 1)

Re:Er. (2, Informative)

musikit (716987) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502364)

well first of all you maybe paying $15 for a DVD but that $15 doesnt all go to the studio that prints it. the store you bought it from gets a cut, the distributor gets a cut... etc. etc.

basically what they are saying is they will reimburse you their portion of the sale.

Re:Er. (4, Insightful)

chowells (166602) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502417)

No. They made a mistake in messing up the DVD: they should incur the entire costs of replacing it.

Re:Er. (2, Insightful)

mshiltonj (220311) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502538)

They made a mistake in messing up the DVD: they should incur the entire costs of replacing it.

"Mistake" ... sure, that's what it was.

Re:Er. (1)

Jethro (14165) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502432)

Great. So I'm still shafted on about 20 DVDs.

Re:Er. (1)

ShrikeDOA (118272) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502468)

No, the settlement says you have two choices. You can exchange the defective DVDs for either $7.10, or another DVD. The text is a little vague on whether the exchanges are for the same DVD fixed, or just any other MGM dvd.

Re:Er. (4, Interesting)

Jethro (14165) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502546)

It's the vagueness that bothers me. Sure, I can get "a DVD", but I happen to want a really nice special edition copy of "This Is Spinal Tap" in the correct aspect ratio to replace the really nice copy of "This Is Spinal Tap" I have in the non-correct aspect ratio I have now. Same goes for "The Princess Bride", "Goldfinger" and "Foxy Brown".

Ok, Breakin and Breakin 2: Electric Boogaloo (2, Funny)

brutusbuck (192303) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502371)

What are the other 2 on page 1?

Re:Ok, Breakin and Breakin 2: Electric Boogaloo (1)

Jethro (14165) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502465)

*lol* now those two I do NOT own. (:

Re:Er. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502376)

In the article it says that you either get $7.10 BACK or you can exchange the DVD for another one from MGM (for free).

Re:Er. (1, Redundant)

Jethro (14165) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502401)

Yes, but not which one(s). I don't know if they'll replace it with a 'correct' copy or if they're offering 325 crappy movies I don't want (;

Re:Er. (1)

mpe (36238) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502493)

I don't know if they'll replace it with a 'correct' copy or if they're offering 325 crappy movies I don't want (;

Even 325 movies nobody wants to buy and which are actually costing MGM money to store.

Re:Er. (3, Insightful)

mpe (36238) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502472)

So I can replace all these DVDs I bought for about $15 each for $7.10 each?

Rather they will buy them from you at $7.10 each. Even though you paid nearly twice that for them.
No doubt they will want to "have their cake and eat it". Both continuing to sell DVDs at a higher price and claiming that pirated copies (including those which don't have the full amount of DVD content) are worth more than this $7.10 figure.

Open Matte (4, Informative)

miTTio (24893) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502353)

I was under the impression that theses films' 1.33:1 presentation used the full frame of the film, not pan and scan of the matted, and that the 1.85:1 presentation was correctly matted and framed. I thought that the lawsuit had to deal with MGM's suppliment explaining that the widescreen version had more visual information than the full frame (regardless of the correct information). I doubt that the avid online film community would have stood by as 300+ films were incorrectly framed; I mean a couple of shots in Back to the Future got messed up, and this was known before the dvd hit the street.

-miTTio

Re:Open Matte (1)

Sc00ter (99550) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502499)

I think you're right. I own Wargames and that's on the list. But it's clearly widescreen, not a cropped pan and scan film.

Re:Open Matte (1)

LMCBoy (185365) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502558)

Wait, so you're saying that the films were origially shot with a 1.33:1 aspect, but with the intention of matting it to 1.85:1 (or 1.66:1) for theatrical release, and that MGM's "fullscreen" DVDs involve simply removing the matte? Wouldn't that mean the fullscreen DVDs have shots where the boom mic is visible?

That's interesting, I've never heard that films are actually shot with 1.33:1. Do you have a link for this?

James Bond movies (1)

VernonNemitz (581327) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502355)

Offhand (without doublechecking on 'net), I think these are MGM releases. I have about twenty of them in "widescreen". Thanks for the info!

Yes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502533)

They are on the list.

Re:James Bond movies (1)

Atlantis69 (647268) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502612)

After poring over the list of "bad" DVDs, the following Bond movies appear to be affected: - Dr. No - From Russia With Love - Goldfinger - Live and Let Die Not too bad considering there are 20 movies in total. What concerns me is, I'm from Australia, but picked up the entire collection from a US website when the DVDs weren't available down under. How would that work in the scheme of things ?

Woody Allen? (1)

Jethro (14165) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502365)

Don't forget all the Bond movies, which I think benefit from widescreen a bit more than, say, "Zelig"...

Re:Woody Allen? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502424)

Don't forget all the Bond movies,

Looks like it's just the old ones, though - I don't see the most recent few on that list.

Re:Woody Allen? (1)

Jethro (14165) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502444)

I know, I posted before reading the entire list. Still gets me for most the ones I have...

Sick, outraged. (1, Funny)

t_allardyce (48447) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502369)

At some point in time someone must have invented the process of pan & scan and I would bet the horse that it was some PHB TV network producer with too much coke up his nose. pan & scan is like raping the director, although some directors feel its 'ok' to do this if they are getting enough money, im sure those same directors would feel it ok to pimp their daughters for the right price. Doing that to a film and then cropping it though! I don't know who would be sick enough.

Re:Sick, outraged. (2, Informative)

Sc00ter (99550) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502453)

It was actually to calm the masses that would call and bitch that the picture was getting chopped up. "why is the picture missing on the bottom and top of my TV!".

They later stretched it making everybody look distorted, then they ended up with pan and scan.

It was actually the consumers own stupid fault for not realizing that a TV doesn't have the same aspect ratio as a movie screen and calling to bitch about it.

Re:Sick, outraged. (1)

darkjedi521 (744526) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502496)

In the beginning, there were movies, and they were full frame and life was good. Then came TV. It took the same ratio as full frame and life was not good for the studios since there was one less difference between TV and the movies. Along came widescreen with its promise of "More picture than TV" and life has not been good for us ever since with pre-rerecorded media.

Re:Sick, outraged. (1)

t_allardyce (48447) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502497)

Yes I know, but only a stupid network executive would actually listen to these people. Of course, nowadays, most people have wide-screen tvs and then fucking complain that everyone looks squashed!

Re:Sick, outraged. (1)

LarsWestergren (9033) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502501)

pan & scan is like raping the director, although some directors feel its 'ok' to do this if they are getting enough money, im sure those same directors would feel it ok to pimp their daughters for the right price.

Wow! Someone is even more fanatic about movies than I am. I agree it is unfortunate that they cut away parts of the screen with pan & scan. One of the worst cases I have seen was David Lynch's Blue Velvet. It often lookes as if characters were talking into thin air since the people doing the P&S often cut away the character they were talking to.

But even though we dislike it, you really know the reason they did it. They weren't doing it because they thought it was fun, they did it because they were afraid that the unwashed masses would complain that the picture on their TV sets was "small" and had black bars above and below. Having wide screen TVs and home cinema entertainment systems is fairly new and still mostly the enthusiasts.

On an aside, I find it amusing when I occasionally find someone flying into a rage in a forum because distributors have "butchered" Seven Samurai and similar classical films on the DVD release since it isn't wide screen. However, the 1:33:1 aspect ratio on the DVD is actually correct, that IS the original ratio the film was shot in and shown in the theatres. Widescreen films didn't come until later.

Re:Sick, outraged. (5, Interesting)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502601)

pan & scan is like raping the director

Oh, it was worse than that 'back in the day.' At least today they buy him dinner first. Lemme explain:

Circa 20 years ago I was a young Quality Control Guy working for a Major Pay TV Network. I had done some straight telecine before, for both Broadcast and Cable outlets, but that day I was approached to do my first pan-and-scan. Of course I understood the process, but I was amazed that I was being asked to do it for a particular film without any creative or studio supervision.

"But, I'm, like, just a Tech Guy!" I argued.

"Use your best judgement," the PHB shot back, adding (with a keen if accidental prescience), "Do you want to be 'just a Tech Guy' for the rest of your life?"

So I did the deed. Panned and scanned a classic flick, in some cases choosing which actors' faces appeared in certain shots, and which were disembodied off-screen voices. Of course, this was before the days of even home video, let alone DVD, so there was no danger of anyone ever buying the RobotRunAmok-Cut collaboration with an Oscar-winning director, but it did air on Pay Cable before millions of paying subscribers, most of whom had prolly never seen the theatrical version.

It was less than ten years later, and the pan-and scan process had become a Great Art. Cable Nets were flying Techs, Creatives, Lawyers, and Admin Assistants around the country for tens of thousands of dollars to do across a week's time what I did that afternoon after lunch.

I'm (reasonably) certain they're all doing a better job than I did...

"Presumably..." (3, Insightful)

YetAnotherName (168064) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502373)

I'd be wary of this; from the settlement:

for either (1) a new MGM DVD from a list of 325 titles or (2) a cash refund of $7.10.

That list of 325 titles doesn't necessarily include fixed versions of the broken DVDs. Heck, it might be nothing but movies of the calibre of Manos: The Hands of Fate, Mitchell, I Accuse My Parents, and so forth.

Re:"Presumably..." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502406)

As long as it isn't Rocketship X-M, we're fine.

Re:"Presumably..." (1)

Yer Mom (78107) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502418)

I'd take Manos if it was the MST3K version :)

Re:"Presumably..." (1)

Lifereaper0 (850920) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502522)

One of the greatest MST3k's of all time. That, Delta Knights, and the one were they always say "Rosdower"

Re:"Presumably..." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502611)

I didn't make an exact count of the list of affected titles, but it's 5 pages with about a hundred per page, so it's pretty much definite that 325 won't cover it.

Woody Allen films (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502378)

Well, it's down-- but does this apply to Region 4?

fixed or not (1)

Dance_Dance_Karnov (793804) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502383)

Would I be getting fixed dvds or just the same shit over again.

US-only? (-1, Redundant)

Yer Mom (78107) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502397)

So, did MGM just do this on their Region 1 releases, or have they been screwing customers worldwide?

$7.10. Probably not even what the thing cost to buy. But if you dare to share a copy of one of their movies, they want you to pay thousands.

WTF? (5, Insightful)

sg3000 (87992) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502421)

Wow! A $7.50 refund for a DVD you probably paid $20 for!

From the settlement:
The gravamen of Plaintiffs' Complaint is that certain representations on the label and package insert of MGM's widescreen DVDs are false and misleading because MGM's widescreen DVDs for films shot in the 1.85 to 1 aspect ratio
have the same image width as MGM's standard screen format DVDs.

MGM has denied and continues to deny that any portion of the packaging on the outside or inside of its widescreen DVDs is misleading. MGM has asserted and continues to assert many defenses to Plaintiffs' Complaint and expressly has denied and continues to deny any wrongdoing or liability whatsoever arising out of any of the conduct, acts or omissions alleged or that could have been alleged in the action.

Wait a minute. Why can't MGM answer a simple question -- did they letterbox a pan-and-scan cut of a movie and try to pass it off as a widescreen movie? Although technically they might be correct, this is a pretty blatant way to try to rip off consumers.

I heard of a certain light beer manufacturer who was responsible for this. The light beer they were selling actually had more calories than the regular beer. When they labelled it as "light," the product was actually just light in color.

In other news,
MGM agrees to pay an enhancement award to Plaintiff Warren Eallonardo in the amount of $7,500 and an enhancement award to Plaintiff Joseph Corey in the amount of $5,000

meanwhile
The law firms representing the Plaintiffs and the Settlement Class intend to apply to the Court for an award of attorneys' fees and for approval of reimbursement of out-of-pocket litigation costs not to exceed $2,700,000

Nothing says "America" like a big corporation trying to rip off its customers but denying wrongdoing, and a law firm who sues said corporation for millions but gives the original plaintiffs a couple thousand bucks. If we could somehow work this as a new verse into the Star Spangled Banner, I think we can consider this case done!

Re:WTF? (1)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502506)

The whole denying wrongdoing thing is boilerplate for a class action settlement. I've never seen a settlement that involved the company admitting some fault, at least not formally.

I think the reason they do that is because if they admitted fault, the people that applied for exclusion from the class could then sue them and possibly win for large amounts.

Re:WTF? (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502530)

About the light beer.

As far as I've heard, Light actually doesn't have to mean anything when put on packaging. This is probably because light is a very ambiguous word. It could mean light in Calories, or light in salt, or light in colour, or in the case of beer, light in alcohol content. In the case of cigarettes it means they have a bigger filter, which makes you suck on it more, which makes it actually worse for you.

BIODOME (5, Funny)

killmenow (184444) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502431)

YES! Thankfully I can get a new, proper wide-screen formatted version of BIODOME. Full screen just ruins that movie (not to mention the cast).

Heard about this a few days ago... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502433)

The guy over at widescreen.org [widescreen.org] posted something [widescreen.org] about this settlement a few days ago. Looks like some people thought that it was some kind of anti-widescreen attack when it's more about false advertising of full-screen, open-matte presentations.

Fortunately, it looks like MGM is probably going to be the only ones open to this kind of lawsuit. I'll bet the lawyers are really happy right now, though! $2 million for the lawyers! I'm in the wrong profession.

What about viewing time? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502462)

How do I get refunded at my off-hours rate for the time I wasted viewing this?

007 (1)

Malicious (567158) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502477)

If you own any of the James Bond collections, the following ones are on the list:
Dr. No.
Gold Finger
From Russia with Love
Man with the Golden Gun
Live and Let Die

I'm going to stake my claim right now.

Re:007 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502492)

But does it affect Australia??!?!?!!?!?!?

Why those particular ones? (1)

the_skywise (189793) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502534)

On Her Majesty's Secret Service is older than Live and Let Die... Why letterbox it, but not the others... or Moonraker for that matter?

Re:007 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502591)

The system is automated too and voice recognition. I suggest using Dr. No as your claim since it understood that on the first try. ;)

I wasnt aware... (1, Interesting)

Noofus (114264) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502486)

This pisses me off as I have a huge collection of DVDs and many are MGMs. All widescreen. Are they trying to tell me I can give up the DVD I bought in exchange for some other movie that is also not fixed? WHy dont they fix the DVDs they screwed up and promise to exchanged the messed up ones for the good ones? SUre thats expensive, but dammit I paid for a wide-screen DVD and I want to get what I paid for. Not some pan-n-scan crap.

I see spaceballs is on the list and now I realize why I always thought it looked funny when I watched it. I must not have been paying close attention to my other MGM DVDs....

I wonder if they will sometime in the future fix the movies, and then try to make us pay for them when we want to exhange the crappy DVDs for the real ones.

Re:I wasnt aware... (4, Informative)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502570)

No, you have it backwards. The widescren movies are in their original aspect ratio of either 1.66:1 or 1.85:1. The DVDs are NOT broken. MGM got in trouble by misrepresenting the fact on how the "full frame" version compares.

Kindly educate yourself [widescreen.org] .

Why God? WHY? (1)

superdan2k (135614) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502489)

Why has MGM forsaken my widescreen theatrical release of Bio-Dome? WHY???? All I ever wanted was Pauly Shore and Stephen Baldwin in all their big-screen glory!

Pfft... (2, Informative)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502490)

Woody Allen, huh? Who cares about that g...

Arrgh, WarGames is on the list!!

But it says:

"may exchange each Eligible DVD for (i) a new MGM DVD from a list of 325 titles or (ii) $7.10"

In other words, they don't replace it with a proper release of the same friggin' movie? Grr... So now I just know my WarGames is butchered and there's not one thing I can do about it. Thanks a lot. Sometimes ignorance is bliss. :-/

Re:Pfft... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502576)

All we can do is never buy another MGM movie on dvd, or any other media, again.

Obviously not a studio we can trust.

The list (0, Redundant)

spacerog (692065) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502511)

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I knew it! (1)

mshiltonj (220311) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502513)

I knew my copy of "Teen Wolf II" wasn't truly widescreen. They totally mangled the majesty of what it was like when I saw it on the big screen, in all its breathtaking glory. Have they no respect for the classics?

"Butchered movies"?? Educate yourself please. (2, Informative)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502514)

The list (PDF) of butchered movies

Ah, once again an unbiased commentary from a /. editor. How refreshing it is to see.

The fact is that the widescreen movies are not butchered. They are shown in the original aspect ratio that just so happens to be the aspect ratio as preferred by the film makers. You know, the people who spent countless man-hours bringing a movie to you in the method that they feel is best just so you can call it "butchered" just because you don't like the presentation on a $15 DVD?

Before spouting the holier-than-thou "butchered" dogma, try educating yourself on the concept of "original aspect ratio" and why ratios other that your prestigious, un-butchered 1.33:1 are chosen by the people who (unlike you apparently) studied film making.

There is, however, no excuse for MGM's misrepresentation on how the movie was formatted.

Re:"Butchered movies"?? Educate yourself please. (1)

MrP-(at work) (839979) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502537)

Try reading the actual article next time

This class action suit is because MGM took the FULLSCREEN cropped 1.33 versions of the films, cut the tops and bottoms off and sold them as WIDESCREEN

These are NOT original aspect ratio (OAR)

MGM lied and sold fullscreen movies cropped as widescreen.

I have 5 MGM dvds I'll be trading in because I ONLY buy widescreen

FB (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502517)

But can it run Windows 94?

What's your pride worth? (2, Funny)

ksdd (634242) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502520)

If you own Body of Evidence, Lambada, or Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo (just to name a few), you would need to acknowledge that 1) you not only own the film in question but 2) think enough of it to want a pristine copy (or $7.10).

Is the remedy really worth your last shred of dignity?

Re:What's your pride worth? (1)

trisight (306703) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502586)

Heh.. come on now.. you know you watch Breakin' 2 every night to get the latest dance moves..

example - from ign (1)

mvizos (622166) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502529)

IGN has a great example of this, from when they reviewed the first release of the princess bride. http://dvd.ign.com/articles/037/037273p1.html scroll down the page, and they point out the difference.

Ghost World scene (1)

Doc Ido (241430) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502531)

It's been nearly 4 years now, but I swear I remember a difference between a VHS copy of Ghost World that I rented and the version that I now own. I remember Enid and her father sitting at a kitchen table. I thought on the VHS, the camera kept switching back and forth from Enid and Dad. On my DVD, the camera has both of them in shot.

Am I wrong?

Money back! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502535)

This is false advertising and under UK law they should give you your money back in full. This is real lazyness on the part of MGM, who essentially have been ripping us off, and now they expect people to pay for a replacement they should get for free.

Shame on MGM - I hope you get taken to court over this and lose!

Duh. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502548)

You people are all idiots. These aren't wide screen versions of pan/scanned transfers. It is due to their false claim that the widescreen movies have more visual information on the sides, where as they don't, due to the fact that the 'pan/scanned' transfer is really an open matte transfer. You aren't missing anything with the widescreen transfer, it is just like you wouldve seen it in the theatre.

I have a question... (3, Interesting)

Tropaios (244000) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502551)

With the caliber of the majority movies on the list I know I have seen many of these in the bargain binat walmart for $5.50, what's to stop me from picking up a couple hundred/thousand of these and making a nice profit? Besides the obvious amount of work involved, and the fact I'd most likely have topay for shipping in both directions?

Le Chagrin et la Pite (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502561)

I'm royally pissed. Adding it up at an average of $14.50 a movie, I've spent $536.50 on butchered films. I've also spent about 100 hours watching them. Not only do they get away with false advertising, they waste 100 of my hours and $250?

FUCK. YOU.

A case of misunderstanding? Youbetcha. (4, Informative)

ClayJar (126217) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502568)

As I remember my aspect ratios, the theatrical 1.85:1 ratio is filmed non-anamorphically on regular 35mm film, and then the tops and bottom are matted off. The full-frame versions of these films always have more picture than the matted versions (saying so is completely redundant when you consider that they are non-anamorphic, which means they *can't* be wider than a 35mm frame). Incidentally, when a film is made in the 1.85:1 aspect ratio, there is no such thing as pan-and-scan -- it is literally full-frame.

Anamorphic aspect ratios (such as 2.35:1) have a wider picture than the 35mm film frame, and that widescreen picture is optically compressed horizontally (i.e. if you look at a film frame, everybody looks supermodel skinny -- even Peter Jackson). With anamorphic aspect ratios, the widescreen version is "full-frame" on the 35mm film, which means that a 4:3 television formatted version must "pan and scan" across the widescreen frame.

I won't even get onto Super35, the special film technique used in The Abyss (among other films) except to say that neither the 4:3 version nor the widescreen version contain the whole 35mm frame. In fact, the pan-and-scan version has more picture height, and the widescreen version has more picture width, but part of the 35mm frame (normally the "corners") does not show up in either the theatrical nor the television-format versions.

Basically, what we have here is people who don't understand aspect ratios and the relationships between film, theatrical projections, and television formats. Apparently enough people are clueless as to win a case about it, but then again, Windows and IE are still in the lead in market share. ;)

Pan-Scan (1)

Janosh (777222) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502593)

Actualy it's not the top/bottom that is cut of, but the sides. The result is a zoomed in verson of a wide picture.

IIRC The framing of the film is desided by the cinematographer, who makes a decision i cooperation with the director. When you pan-scan a film, you actualy destroy parts of the artistic choices made by the cinematographer/director.

It's like choping the head of "Mona Lisa"(classic painting by Leonardo DaVinci) to make the painting fit inside a frame.

Wait a second... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11502594)

I have a few movies on this list and was outraged until I remembered something...

My copy of the Princess Bride was a flipper. I did a compare of the fullframe and widescreen version and found that the widescreen one was the exact same movie as the fullframe except it had black bars on the top and bottom. I always assumed it was because the film was actually shot in 1:1.33. I remember seeing PeeWee's Big Adventure on TV and noticing the chain coming from the bottom of the basket killing the illusion of the gag. Perhaps these movies really aren't chopped pan and scan versions. Maybe you're just seeing parts of the film that the director didn't intend you to see. If that's the case, I'll hang on to my movies, thank you very much.

Remember to read the small print (2, Insightful)

SpudGunMan (456448) | more than 9 years ago | (#11502595)

...if between December 1, 1998 to September 8, 2003, you purchased certain MGM widescreen DVDs ...

so if you got goldfinger for chmass in 2004,2005 you might not be eligable.

Now, i do have some movies like wargames that i bought pre 2003. However i wonder how they will check that its in the timeframe they allow. I just called 1800 for the claim but i wonder if they will require a Recipt of Purchase. If so then i get shit
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