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Steve Jobs Demos NeXTSTEP 3.0

michael posted more than 9 years ago | from the step-by-step-the-longest-march dept.

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node 3 writes "Following the current trend of posting video from product demos long past, openstep.se has posted a 55MB video from 1992 of Steve Jobs demoing NeXTSTEP 3.0. They already have 4 mirrors hosting the file, but hopefully someone will set up a torrent (I would, but I don't have a place to post it). If you find the demo compelling and want to try out NeXTSTEP for yourself, you can always go here or here to get started."

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first post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517026)

yea

old apple ads (2, Insightful)

dclaw (593370) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517028)

what's with all these old apple ads?

Re:old apple ads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517040)

Maybe Apple are getting us in the mood for the iRetro? Oh shit i've said too much!

You have to consider... (4, Funny)

Faust7 (314817) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517044)

what's with all these old apple ads?

If they only posted old Microsoft ads, it would basically be mass murder of geeks who died from internal hemorrhaging as a result of uncontrollable laughter.

Anyone that saw the recently posted video of Ballmer touting Windows 1.0 knows what I'm talking about.

Re:You have to consider... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517059)

That video was an INTERNAL microsoft joke. They have them from time to time, not an actual advert. Ballmer did it for the entertainment of MS employees, not for customers.

Re:You have to consider... (1)

dclaw (593370) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517128)

very true anyone seen the sun microsystems spoof on that apple ad? it portrays gates like hitler or something... I should make that available

Re:old apple ads (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517157)

Slashdot is owned by Apple.

It's not an Apple Ad - It's a NeXT ad (2, Informative)

fussili (720463) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517297)

Although of course - as is abundantly clear, NeXTStep was the basis for OS X after Apple decided against Johnlouis Gasse's BeOS.

Next NeXTSTEP? (2, Interesting)

Pan T. Hose (707794) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517032)

Wouldn't it make more sense for Apple to contribute to GNUstep [gnustep.org]?

Re:Next NeXTSTEP? (3, Insightful)

remahl (698283) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517067)

What is your point? Mac OS X _is_ the next NeXT operating system, even GNUstep realizes this and aims to keep up with Apple's development of Cocoa (former OpenStep). Anyhow, I don't see how this relates to the article about a ~14 yr old product demo.

Re:Next NeXTSTEP? (0)

bonch (38532) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517315)

OS X is essentially OpenStep 5 or 6 with a Mac-alike interface.

Hell, go to System Preferences and set the clock to float as a window. Look familiar? :)

Re:Next NeXTSTEP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517353)

You just made yourself look like a clueless idiot to a whole lot of people...

Re:Next NeXTSTEP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517097)

No, since its just a rip-off clone :) OS X is the real NeXTStep, why would they bother? They already have an awesome framework (Cocoa)... no need to contribute to GNUStep.

Re:Next NeXTSTEP? (3, Insightful)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517335)

No, since its just a rip-off clone

"Rip-off"??? OPENSTEP is an open standard, different implementations were encouraged. How is implementing a standard by a consortium's invitation "ripping-off" someone?

Re:Next NeXTSTEP? (3, Insightful)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517206)

Wouldn't it make more sense to read past the headline and see that this is from 1992? It's not as if Apple is showing a demo of the upcoming NeXTstep *today*.

Re:Next NeXTSTEP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517237)

It's an old video, from 1992, NeXTSTEP 3.0 is old, there would be no point for Apple to release a next NeXTSTEP, OSX is already the next NeXTSTEP.

Geez (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517034)

Is someone keeping a list of these or something? It sure would be nice if someone could just put together one big bittorrent archive.

I mean, it would be sad if after these things being rescued from the ravages of time and analog media, they were lost to the ravages of time and the broken Slashdot search function the instant that the blogosphere's attention span moves on...

Dissapearing History (2, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517046)

Or the files are lost due to the wonderful DMCA, as the DRM rights kick in and all unapproved files are magically deleted off your pc.. or just refuse to play beacuse they *might* be infringing on something, somewhere..

Re:Dissapearing History (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517074)

What part of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed" do you not understand

Evidently, the part that says "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State. . ."

Re:Dissapearing History (2, Insightful)

Leo McGarry (843676) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517189)

I'm sure you think you're being responsibly concerned, but the fact is that somewhere along the line you crossed over into the realm of the deranged ravings of a lunatic.

Might want to take a step back there, to rejoin us in reality.

Re:Dissapearing History (1)

laughingcoyote (762272) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517273)

When "trusted computing" becomes a reality, said "lunatic" might not be too far from the truth. And if such technology is invented, it'll be illegal (read: illegal, jail-time, not illegal, 1 in 100000 chance of getting sued) to break it.

Might want to have a look at where your reality's heading. "Orphan works" are all too real, there was an article posted quite recently here.

Re:Dissapearing History (0, Flamebait)

bonch (38532) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517359)

That was one of the more random DMCA references I've seen. What DRM in this file are you referring to? Seriously, what does DRM or the DMCA have to do at all with this story or this video file?

Oh, well, it got you a pointless upmod, as intended.

Re:Geez (3, Informative)

retiarius (72746) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517340)

list not needed with given the existence of the archive.org
wayback machine. try on for size:

http://www.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/movies.html

God it's so annoying (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517039)

That Steve Jobs cult is getting really really tiring...

Re:God it's so annoying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517054)

And now watch yourself getting modded down for having committed the sin of blasphemy against the name of Our Lord Steve...

Re:God it's so annoying (4, Funny)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517236)

Why the fsck do PeeCee people think we Apple fans worship Steve Jobs like a living deity? Of course, he's a guy who did a lot of interesting things, but he is definitely no god.

Because there is only one true God, and His name is THE WOZ.

Re:God it's so annoying (1)

DenDave (700621) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517270)

Why do people moan about other people being happy for the success of a man with vision and leadership. Some of us who have worked with his products for over two decades (gees I am old..) have gained alot of respect for him. He has really made a differnce by thinking different. Jobs is the Che Guevarra of the computer industry except Steve didn't get killed. If you don't him, don't click the links.
I don't troll around on Gate's items...
I am happy Jobs is sucessful and I apreciate and understand his vision, I have for probably longer than you have been using a computer.

where'd the torrent go? (4, Interesting)

interactive_civilian (205158) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517048)

I caught this link yesterday on the Mac.Ach. on the ArsTechnica forums, and they had a .torrent link on the page itself (though that was for an older version of the video which was missing the last 10 minutes), but it seems to have disappeared. Either that or they haven't made a torrent for the new file...

Anyway, think about it people. This video was made in 1992!!! It is amazing how advanced NeXT was at that time. I mean, that machine is what?...a 68030? 040? 33MHz? Amazing! A lot of the technologies that we take for granted in MacOS X were already around at the time, as well as some other things (such as OpenDoc) which were not introduced in other systems for years and have yet to be re-implemented.

Truly an impressive OS.

Oh, and it is great to hear Steve Jobs say "BOOOM!" during his demos. ;)

Old Hardware (3, Interesting)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517093)

I agree it shows you what could be done in the old days.

It was due to the fact that programmers understood the hardware's limitations and made do with what they had. Regardless of whos.. Be it a Mac, an apple IIGS, atari ST.. whatever...

Today, its 'just throw some more cycles at it, the user can just upgrade'. All the wonderfuly fast hardware and gobs of memory have made all the system guys lazy..

Old Hardware-VB slowdown. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517142)

"Today, its 'just throw some more cycles at it, the user can just upgrade'. All the wonderfuly fast hardware and gobs of memory have made all the system guys lazy.."

VB hasn't helped.

Good point! (4, Interesting)

interactive_civilian (205158) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517153)

nurb432 said:
It was due to the fact that programmers understood the hardware's limitations and made do with what they had. Regardless of whos.. Be it a Mac, an apple IIGS, atari ST.. whatever...
I agree. There are many times when I think about some of the things that I do on computers today, and sometimes it seems like they aren't much faster than years ago...of course, now with the power and the multi-tasking I can do many more things at the same time...

but think about it. Back in the 80s and early-mid 90s, a lot of things on computers were VERY hardware limited and developers had to program efficiently to get things to run with some semblence (sp?) of speed. IANADeveloper, but it seems to me that that kind of efficiency has for the most part disappeared (and this is not a knock on developers...you guys are doing amazing things!).

I guess I just imagine about what it would be like if the same kind of efficiency that was used to make things run quickly on an 040 was used to make things run on a G4 or G5 today and it blows my mind.

Of course, there is a lot that I don't understand about developing and the hardware has also advanced so much that programming for efficiency due to hardware limitations like developers had to back in the day probably doesn't apply as much any more.

thoughts?

Re:where'd the torrent go? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517150)

Look, you make it sound like 13 years ago people were barely walking upright. For crissakes, 35 years ago, people hooked up a bodysuit [osu.edu] to an analog computer to get real-time computer animation.

Not to mention that whole Moon landing thing. Oh, and basically inventing [osu.edu] the whole modern concept of how a computer should work. THAT's amazing.

Oh, and in 1992, I think my Amiga 3000 was competetive wrt to the NeXT. What's the big deal with all the jizz flying around for jobs around here?

Re:where'd the torrent go? (2, Funny)

DenDave (700621) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517219)

Oh, and in 1992, I think my Amiga 3000 was competetive wrt to the NeXT. What's the big deal with all the jizz flying around for jobs around here?


Maybe the fact that Jobs is still in business?

Re:where'd the torrent go? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517262)

And that has *what* to do with being ahead technically? Nice straw man, though.

Re:where'd the torrent go? (4, Informative)

bonch (38532) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517171)

NextStep in 1989 was an endless series of brilliant concepts and ideas that are just now coming into mainstream operating systems. Truly ahead of its time. As someone else mentioned, the foundations of OS X are a lot more mature than people realize. Cocoa is truly a fantastic way to develop apps. Even simple things like menu item enable/disable becomes automatic due to the way messaging works (i.e., if no methods are found to handle the Print message, then Print gets grayed out automatically).

Microsoft is going the way of declarative interface programming with languages like XAML, which I disagree with. I take issue with not knowing about the interface objects until run-time which can cause all sorts of issues, particularly display issues. NextStep/Cocoa, on the other hand, actually stores the object graph into a "freeze-dried" file in Interface Builder (the famous NIB files), serializing all the objects and bringing them up in a flash when the application runs.

It's truly a neat technology to play with. Too bad most of the major apps on OS X are sticking with the Carbon route to avoid rewriting their codebases. Cocoa gives you so many things for free, you even get automatic spellcheck available for any input fields if you want it.

Re:where'd the torrent go? (2, Interesting)

danamania (540950) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517272)

NextStep in 1989 was an endless series of brilliant concepts and ideas that are just now coming into mainstream operating systems. Truly ahead of its time. As someone else mentioned, the foundations of OS X are a lot more mature than people realize. Cocoa is truly a fantastic way to develop apps. Even simple things like menu item enable/disable becomes automatic due to the way messaging works (i.e., if no methods are found to handle the Print message, then Print gets grayed out automatically).

There's an old NeXT magazine advertisement that in rather typical computer company style advertises NeXT as a big 'next big thing', proclaiming how ahead of their time they are with a list of future important things to come in desktop computing, and how they have them all.

Looking back, they seem to have done well - take a look here [danamania.com]

Read/write optical drives, UNIX, Postscript, their OO dev environment.

Re:where'd the torrent go? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517306)

"It turns out you can run DOS applications in a window on NeXTSTEP because of a product called SoftPC by Insignia. Now I've learned just enough DOS to be able to demo this to you. It's quite intuitive. D-I-R, here... there we go... 1-2-3. And here's 1-2-3 running in a window. Uh, and I may find a--I may be able to bring up a file here. Slash... F... it's a wonderful user interface... R... 1-2-3. There we go. So here's an example of a 1-2-3 worksheet running inside a PC window right alongside your good applications here."

Re:where'd the torrent go? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517349)

Amazing! A lot of the technologies that we take for granted in MacOS X were already around at the time, as well as some other things (such as OpenDoc) which were not introduced in other systems for years and have yet to be re-implemented.

Yes, isn't it truly amazing what can be accomplished when your goal is the end user, and NOT what locks end users into your products! Microsoft, are you listening? Quit barking about what customers asked for (and didn't) and start listening to what they want.

What mirrors? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517051)

They're no good if the list of mirrors is down. :P

Use this coral cache [nyud.net] link instead.

And here's a coral cache link to the video itself [nyud.net].

Re:What mirrors? (1)

keeleysam (792221) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517296)

Error: 403 Forbidden Error when attempting to use the Coral Content Distribution Network (http://www.coralcdn.org/). The hostname specified in the Coralized URL is currently over its hourly quota. Please try back later. Server CoralWebPrx/0.1.12 (See http://coralcdn.org/) at 140.247.60.126:8090

That explains it (2, Interesting)

jspoon (585173) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517056)

When I downloaded it half an hour ago I thought it was remarkably sluggish to download for something posted on MacSlash several days ago. Now I understand.

Anyway, this is pretty cool stuff. You can definitely see the broad strokes of OS X in most every part of this demo. Interface builder still ruled.

A few years ago, I was this close to buying a NeXT box at a University surplus store but it wasn't in booting condition and I didn't have time to determine what was wrong with it. WOuld have been fun to play with though.

Re:That explains it (1)

profet (263203) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517116)

Since you are one of the 12 people that got it to download...how about throwing up a torrent?

An agrarian view on alternatives for NeXT circa 93 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517062)

Plowing for several large companies, I'd always done my work on Windows. Recently however, a top online investment firm asked us to do some work using FreedBSD. The concept of having access to source code was very appealing to us, as we'd be able to modify the kernel to meet our exacting standards which we're unable to do with Microsoft's products.

Although we met several fertilization challenges along the way (specifically, FreedBSD's lack of Token Ring support and the fact that we were unable to defrag its ext2 file system), all in all the process went smoothly. Everyone was very pleased with FreedBSD, and we were considering using it for a great deal of future internal projects.

So you can imagine our suprise when we were informed by a labourer that we would be required to publish our source code for others to use. It was brought to our attention that FreedBSD is copyrighted under something called the GPL, or the GNU Preventive License. Part of this license states that any changes to the seed are to be made freely available. Unfortunately for us, this meant that the great deal of time and money we spent "touching up" FreedBSD to work for this investment firm would now be available at no cost to our competitors.

Furthermore, after reviewing this GPL our labourers advised us that any products compiled with GPL'ed tools - such as gcc - would also have to its source code released. This was simply unacceptable.

Although we had planned for no one outside of this company to ever use, let alone see the source code, we were now put in a difficult position. We could either give away our hard work, or come up with another solution. Although it was tought to do, there really was no option: We had to rewrite the code, from scratch, for Windows 2000.

I think the biggest thing keeping FreedBSD from being truly competitive with Microsoft is this GPL. Its mercurial requirements virtually guarentee that no business will ever be able to use it. After my experience with FreedBSD, I won't be recommending it to any of my associates. I may reconsider if FreedBSD switches its license to something a little more fair, such as Microsoft's "Shared Source". Until then its attempts to socialize the software market will insure it remains only a bit player.

I welcome you for your time.

Re:An agrarian view on alternatives for NeXT circa (1)

sm00th (843154) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517090)

What the hell are you smoking?

1) It's FreeBSD - not FreedBSD.
2) FreeBSD uses FFS, not ext2
3) FreeBSD is licensed under the BSDL, not the GPL.
4) WTF does this have to do with the article?

MOD PARENT DOWN!

Re:An agrarian view on alternatives for NeXT circa (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517213)

1) It's FreeBSD - not FreedBSD.

Hook...

2) FreeBSD uses FFS, not ext2

...line...

FreeBSD is licensed under the BSDL, not the GPL.

...and sinker. Ten point oh!

Site mirror? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517077)

So, 4 mirrors for the video, but none for the site?

Bad site name (-1, Offtopic)

iamacat (583406) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517078)

openstep.se

I am not clicking links that show something open in .se domain!

Re:Bad site name (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517109)

It was goatse.cx

Not goat.se

.se != .cx (0, Offtopic)

tepples (727027) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517110)

What's wrong with .se (Sweden)? The sexually explicit image you're probably thinking of [wikipedia.org] was originally hosted on a site with a .cx (Christmas Island) suffix.

Re:.se != .cx (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517139)

What's wrong with .se (Sweden)? The sexually explicit image you're probably thinking of [wikipedia.org] was originally hosted on a site with a .cx (Christmas Island) suffix.

Mod -1 redundant. I already posted this as first reply to grandparent. But it is kinda funny how we both knew this.

Re:Bad site name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517251)

Why? What's wrong with Swedish websites?

Afterstep (1)

digitalchinky (650880) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517079)

I haven't tried it in a long time now (not since enlightenment (the windowmanager) but afterstep looks like a better version of NeXTSTEP - than, well NeXTSTEP itself.

http://www.afterstep.org/ [afterstep.org]
I could well be wrong on this though.

Re:Afterstep (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517122)

I could well be wrong on this though.

Yup! You're wrong! NeXTSTEP isn't a window manager.

Re:Afterstep (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517162)

I haven't tried it in a long time now (not since enlightenment

Well I think that says it all right there. I grew attached to Afterstep in the Redhat 5.x days, but I don't think it's what I would want in a modern window manager. There are TONS of window managers with much more functionality and various levels of bloat to please just about anyone. I think we've moved beyond Nexstep (in most ways)... and the dock still sucks.

Actually it's sort of funny that I say that because I just recently purchased windowshade x [unsanity.com] which allows you to minimise much like afterstep...

It's More than Just a Dock redux(was Re:Afterstep) (3, Insightful)

WillAdams (45638) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517205)

NeXTstep is far more than just the Dock. Some of the advantages which it affords:

- Display PostScript --- true WYSIWYG, and the ability to do rich on-screen stuff like display (auto-updating) dimension lines in a drawing program by just typing up some PostScript code.

- Services --- these allow any app to take advantage of any other app which provides a Service. There're Services for sorting text, convert TeX source to in-place graphical equations, printing envelopes &c.

- Customizable UI --- tear off menus allows one to decide which command is most easily available and where it's available at.

- Dynamic run-time binding means that installing a filter service affords said capabilities to any other app, w/o recompiling.

William
(who misses NeXT's vertical menu, Display PostScript, Webster.app, pop-up main menu, concise shortcut descriptors and lots of other things on his PowerMac G4 at work in Mac OS X, and appreciates them greatly on his NeXT Cube at home ;)

It's More than Just a [pretty face] (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517256)

Agreed. Used one for several years. NextStep is the system that showed that Unix could have a pretty face, and ease of use.*

*Yes there are other systems out there that had a pretty face (subjective), and ease of use (subjective). But they're even less memorable than NextStep.

Re:It's More than Just a Dock redux(was Re:Afterst (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517313)

So change your OS X Dock to vertical. Enjoy display PDF. Get a 2 button mouse, and use the right button... Or am I missing something(s).

Torrent (0, Offtopic)

chrysrobyn (106763) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517082)

Torrent link here: [nedron.net]http://nedron.net:6969/torrents/1984macintro.mov.t orrent

Re:Torrent (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517131)

For fuck's sake, you cocksucking twit, were you too busy rimming your sister's shithole to read the everfucking SLASHDOT BLURB before you posted?

Undoubtedly other posters will already have flamed you for this. My feeling is, the more the merrier.

Twat.

Almost looked like a demo of OS X (2, Insightful)

TheMediaWrangler (817300) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517088)

I knew that OS X inherits from NeXT, but I was surprised by the similarities. This also makes me believe that OS X is more mature than I had previously thought.

Re:Almost looked like a demo of OS X (1, Interesting)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517174)

OS X IS NeXT!

Re:Almost looked like a demo of OS X (1)

Leo McGarry (843676) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517249)

No, it's not just NeXT. It's a combination of some core technologies from NeXT and the Mac OS, along with some entirely new ideas. NeXT, for example, had nothing like Quartz. Quartz is largely informed by the word Bill Atkinson did on QuickDraw in the early 1980s.

Re:Almost looked like a demo of OS X (4, Interesting)

bonch (38532) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517232)

The technology behind OS X is going on almost two decades. :)

The only thing immature about OS X coming out of the gate was the Aqua interface, which they finally patched up around 10.2.

On an unrelated note, on Panther, and with Tiger upcoming, the interface is so polished that everything else feels six years behind. I can't help wondering what Apple will offer to compete with Microsoft in the update after Tiger, which might be coming out the year Longhorn ships if Longhorn doesn't delay again. Longhorn sounds like they're ripping off a ton of OS X technology, like a new display technology, hardware-accelerated window drawing, and so on. And what new apps will take advantage of .NET? Adobe, Macromedia, id Software, and so on aren't going to rewrite their apps in unmanaged C++ .NET code just to fit in. At least on OS X, Apple offered the Carbon APIs to allow old apps to compile with few changes and suddenly take advantage of the new environment.

Honestly, though, it would be nice of more of the major OS X apps took advantage of Cocoa instead of hanging onto Carbon for dear life. Dreamweaver MX 2004 runs like a dog, and Photoshop CS is little better.

Re:Almost looked like a demo of OS X (1)

jdwest (760759) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517334)

Honestly, though, it would be nice of more of the major OS X apps took advantage of Cocoa instead of hanging onto Carbon for dear life. Dreamweaver MX 2004 runs like a dog, and Photoshop CS is little better.

I could not agree with you more.

GNUstep demo (5, Informative)

roard (661272) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517102)

For thoses who want to see how programming is done in GNUstep, there's this short flash demo here [gnustep.org]

GNUstep is a free software implementation of the OpenStep API (like Cocoa), and it provides development tools as well. The demo steve do is doable in GNUstep as well..

(Yes, it's flash... a mpeg version will probably be available next week... in the meantime, it's a good idea to check either swift tools [swift-tools.net] or swfdec [schleef.org] , if you don't want or can't use the Macromedia Flash player..)

Re:GNUstep demo (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517346)

If there is any example of what a joke the open source community is, it's GNUstep.

Instead of coming out with a usable implementation of something like OS X/NeXTSTEP, you clowns work on an fucking Win98 clone "too make Windows users feel comfortable." Idiots. And then if that wasn't bad enough, you let a dimwitted Microsoft fanboy create a competing desktop to split the userbase into to waring and flaming sides. WTG lusers.

You stupid fucks could be cranking out OS X level apps with an open source version of PB/IB with technologies like Bindings and Core Data that OS X has today.

Instead you are stuck with garbage like Mono??? Congrats retards!

.torrent link (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517105)

Found on MacSlash:

http://nedron.net:6969/torrents/steve_jobs_NS30_ de mo_30mins.mp4.torrent
"...transcoded the proprietary DivX version into an MPEG-4 file with a standard container."

http://haikunews.org:6969/torrents/steve_jobs_NS 30 _demo_30mins.avi.torrent

Re:.torrent link (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517147)

Links without the annoying Slashcode spaces:
1. http://nedron.net:6969/torrents/steve_jobs_NS30_de mo_30mins.mp4.torrent [nedron.net]
2. http://haikunews.org:6969/torrents/steve_jobs_NS30 _demo_30mins.avi.torrent [haikunews.org]

Please visit Slashcode bug #981137 [sourceforge.net], which concerns automatically hyperlinking URLs in "Plain Old Text" mode, and add a comment to show your support for a speedy resolution. No progress has been made on this trivial feature request for longer than six months.

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pfft. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517354)

lazy whiner!

ed2k link (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517115)

dont forget to remove spaces , not linked up because slashdot mangles ed2k links

ed2k://|file|steve_jobs_NS30_demo_30mins.avi|585 34 694|663591D9427E979CDDDD8A9E9ADDA9D9|/

Mirror (4, Informative)

CypherXero (798440) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517132)

I'm hosting a mirror of the video, and I have unlimited bandwidth from my host.

http://www.collegechixors.com/jobs_NS30_demo_small .mov [collegechixors.com]

Re:Mirror (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517151)

thank you.

Re:Mirror (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517188)

Post a torrent, you fucking douche.

ha ha, right on! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517225)

news for NERDS

mirror at coral (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517178)

http://stanley.melin.org.nyud.net:8090/jobs/jobs_N S30_demo_large.mov

"Boom" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517179)

Anyone have a list of MM:SS bookmarks in the video for where Steve Jobs says "boom"?

Sweet jesus (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517221)

How annoying is his voice? I had to kill the video after a single minute... it grated... so... much...

Damn. Time to join my wife and her friend in bed.

Re:Sweet jesus (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517301)

Be sure to "digitally manipulate" a few things while you're there...

WndowMaker (2)

gustgr (695173) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517267)

If you find the demo compelling and want to try out NeXTSTEP for yourself, you can always go here or here to get started

If you want a more end user solution, you might want to go here [windowmaker.org].

Wow.... (2, Interesting)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 9 years ago | (#11517308)

You know, this does more or less what Exchange does, and ask any business if they could live w/o Outlook/Exchange (or Lotus, whatever) these days and the answer's no. I guess with the price tag (wasn't a Next workstation something like $20 grand?) nobody cared, but he did say he was going to port to 486. I can't help but wonder if a 486 could do this kind of stuff (a dx 100 could, but I think the dx33s where current when this was being done). All I can say is, what the heck happened? I've read a bit of the history (I hear those MO drives they Next Stations ran off of were kinda buggy), but this is big enough stuff that they should have been able to get through a few lean years and sell the technology....

Okay, maybe I'm missing the point (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11517341)

but so the fuck what? This was "news" in 1992, but we're in 2005 now.

"Oh, here's a video of someone giving a product demo 13 years ago. Enjoy!" isn't really "Stuff that matters".
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