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HP Giving Away Mainframes?

Hemos posted more than 15 years ago | from the piece-of-what? dept.

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Erbo writes "No, that's not a misprint--Hewlett-Packard is now giving its most powerful hardware away. But there's a catch, of course...they'll be wanting "a piece of the action" in return. Could this be the next step after the "free PC" business model? Will it carry HP by leaps and bounds into the 21st century? ZDnet has the details. "

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Can you say "Sell your soul" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1916631)

You know HP is going to take a larger stake than the hardware is actually worth. We have 15 T boxes and 5 K boxes in our development environment. The pricing on these things is insane for what they are. Screw PA-RISC... Sun boxes perform better and they are cheaper. Not to mention the fact that Solaris doesn't have the shared memory issues that HP-UX seems to have. HP should stick with test equipment.

Brilliant move! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1916632)

This is a genius move! This way one could actually expect them to take an interest in the customer, even after the sale has been made.
It probably won't be long before other big companies will do the exact same thing, but let's see... The only obvious problem is pricing, some companies might charge ridiculous amounts this way...

blah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1916633)

The bit about "aquire the company outright" makes an easy way to make money. Once HP aquires the company they could just liquidate and then user thier mainframe to give away again. and continue this is a vicious circle


Free everything (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1916634)

Just wear a beer T-Shirt for the rest of your life, maybe someone will feel pity and give you one... ;-)

Where does the revenue come from these days? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1916635)

Well, the article says HP wants to 0wn you in exchange for these machines. Couple years down the road there will be end user machines that can wipe the floor with these HP boxes. Sounds like a rotten deal to me.

Mainframes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1916636)

Doubtful; today's $ 100,000 mainframe is tomorrow's $ 4,000 toy.

So it just wouldn't work.


This is very very bad (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1916637)

This practicce is wrong and should be illegal if it isn't already. HP is putting itself in a position to own a stake in every new internet startup. What happens when "HP grants you an exculsive license to use this equipment. If you do not agree to the terms of this licensing agreement, then you must return your computer"?

If this keeps up OEMs will own every new (read: small) company that needs a computer. HP is not stupid. They are doing this because they know they can make more money off this than selling the hardware the old fassioned way.

Venture Capitalism (2)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | more than 15 years ago | (#1916638)

Often the best way to make an insane amount of money is to invest in a company before, or during its IPO. The herd mentality of investers will do the rest.

HP is hoping that it will be able to take advantage of the internet stock frenzy, and increase revenues. Imagine if Amazon had sold 3-5% of its equity for a mainframe-- before the IPO.

What makes me somewhat leary is that last payment option:

"Give us your comapany, and we'll give you a mainframe..."

Free everything (0)

GrenDel Fuego (2558) | more than 15 years ago | (#1916639)

Hey, I'm still waiting for that free beer that everyone keeps talking about.

This is not new... (2)

John Fulmer (5840) | more than 15 years ago | (#1916640)

Several others have tried it before: Computer Associates with their SSO product , Network Associates with their security suite (although it is different, pay us every year for the same product)...

So far it's proven to be a non-winner for those companies....

The big problem is that once you do this, you are COMPLETELY locked into a single vendor. You can't get out, because they own part of you.

This is probably the WORST thing that could happen, technically. Lack of competition for GOOD products in large corporation could really stifle the computer industry...

This is not new... (1)

Nemesys (6004) | more than 15 years ago | (#1916641)

It certainly isn't new. How different is this
from EDS and IBM outsourcing deals?

Can you say "Sell your soul" (1)

The Mayor (6048) | more than 15 years ago | (#1916642)

HP recenetly split up the company into a computer company and a test equipment company. The computer company is still called 'HP'. I forget what the test equipment company is called. It seems that your advice was already taken!

It's not Free! (1)

eponymous cohort (8637) | more than 15 years ago | (#1916643)

They want either a stake in the company, or a percent of revenues. If your company does really well, you may end up paying HP more than the value of the hardware.

This may appeal to startups, who don't have the cash on hand for a mainframe, but I don't think it's as revolutionary as it sounds.

New business models (1)

Rayban (13436) | more than 15 years ago | (#1916644)

Has anyone noticed how these new business models are popping up all over the place? First RedHat, now HP. I'm glad that people have finally woken up from the 18th century and starting seeing that our current form of capitalism is having trouble coping with the current state of our world.

I'm interested to see which company takes the next step. Maybe we'll see an open-source version of OS/2 in the near future. ;)

Free everything (1)

coreybrenner (19101) | more than 15 years ago | (#1916645)


I love you, man...

(but I don't want no damn Bud Light, gimme yer Guinness)


Free everything (0)

Beef (19842) | more than 15 years ago | (#1916646)

Yes, I do believe that PCs and servers can be paid for with advertising. What I hate is the whole tatooing logos on my forehead thing.

"Sell your soul" (0)

Ellis-D (19919) | more than 15 years ago | (#1916647)

Damn it.. I already sold it to some kid on the street.. I guess i'm disqualified from this offer.......
"The pen is mighter than the sword... But what if you can't write?"

Lets hope the "dragon" doesn't try this on O.S. (1)

thebrit (28113) | more than 15 years ago | (#1916648)

"It could be the beginning of a huge trend," Brown said. "It's about time that people woke up to new ways of doing business, instead of just making Microsoft and Intel rich."

In a MS sales pitch the practice could become ....

"Buy Windows2000, and let us have all/some/what-ever-we-want of your company, and by the way you'll have to put up with beta 3 for a while."

Eeek !

Where does the revenue come from these days? (4)

bagel (78837) | more than 15 years ago | (#1916649)

It's pretty amazing the way things are working out. Years ago, hardware manufacturers gave away the OS, usually with source, because they really didn't care about it, the OS was only there to make the box run. Then Microsoft came along and showed how they (as a relatively small [!] software company) could make mega-bucks from the OS. So everybody closed up the OS, without realising they weren't making any more money that way, and customers got an inferior product.

Then, companies realised they could make more money by using a quality, free OS like Linux, and could even give away free copies of their own product (like Sun and Solaris 7). Closed companies like Wintel start to get worried... Consumers (especially the clever ones) start to get excited...

Then, and this is the important bit, the same hardware manufacturers realised they weren't getting enough revenue from selling the boxes that had done them fine for decades. Too much competition, E-business is everything, open protocols give you no competitive advantage, etc...

Enter: The 'Services' company. You don't need capital, even an office, all you need is an idea! Witness 'Amazon' and the like, great (on the whole), modern companies that are providing things the consumers really want! Only problem is, they're making all the money and the hardware/software vendors are losing badly.

HP are onto a great thing here, I hope it works for them and they don't abandon it when the first few startups take advantage of the offer and then disappear...

Now, I need to think of a way to get one of those shiny boxes on my desk... (Under my desk? Beside my desk? In a massive room all to itself? :)

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