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Mad Penguin Launches Slackware Handbook Project

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the you-can-paint-this-fence-for-a-single-apple-core dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Mad Penguin's Adam Doxtater and Narayan Newton have launched a community-driven site dedicated to bringing the power and depth of the FreeBSD Handbook to Slackware Linux users. The site allows for the community to create and edit its own content. A simple voting system is in place to make sure the content that makes it into the handbook is of the highest quality. This is something that has been needed for some time and the idea of being able to edit our own material is really nice. A very unique project. Read the press release at LinuxPR.com."

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86 comments

first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11546802)

slackware isw deaddd

Not true.. (2, Interesting)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 9 years ago | (#11546805)

Unique means "original". Not "Wiki with a moderation system similar to Slashdots".

Re:Not true.. (0, Troll)

stephenisu (580105) | more than 9 years ago | (#11546823)

Comparing this to Wiki, is like comparing Slashdot to FARK.

Seriously.

OK, I will place my fot in my mouth.. (4, Informative)

stephenisu (580105) | more than 9 years ago | (#11546855)

OK it is similar to a wiki mixed with slashdot.

So much so that well... they said it best.
"Think of it as a wiki of sorts. All of the contributors are capable of editing and adding to the work of others on the project." said Doxtater, "This will ensure that the documentation is of the highest standard". Mad Penguin says that the new site is currently in operation and ready for the general public.

Unique in a sense. (3, Insightful)

Penguinoflight (517245) | more than 9 years ago | (#11546954)

The meaning of unique is pretty simple, and I think this project accomplishes nique status by the following.

Mad penguin is almost certainly going to publish this as a book, and make sure things are organized. Looking at the main site (slackersbible.org) you can see they've already picked 4 catagories for articles.

This work will be unique by the organization of its community based content, even though moderation is done by a community. Think about everything2, the amount of useful content is enormus but you can't learn much because the organization is lacking.

Re:Unique in a sense. (1)

essreenim (647659) | more than 9 years ago | (#11549329)

As a diehard Slacker, I for one welcome our new mad penguin overlord. Long live Slackware

Re:Unique in a sense. (1)

setantae (103317) | more than 9 years ago | (#11549839)

Mad penguin is almost certainly going to publish this as a book, and make sure things are organized. Looking at the main site (slackersbible.org) you can see they've already picked 4 catagories for articles

That's far from unique - that's a direct consequence of the fact that they've started with the FreeBSD handbook, which had already done all of things.

Re:Not true.. (4, Informative)

todesengel (722281) | more than 9 years ago | (#11547203)

This is definately a project I would like to see some press behind, it is far from "unique." Slackwiki [slackwiki.org] has been around for quite a while.

Re:Not true.. (1)

sr180 (700526) | more than 9 years ago | (#11547530)

Also, something cant be 'very unique'. It is either unique or it is not. There are no levels of unique-ness. You cant say that something is 'a little unique' or that an object is 'more unique than something else'. But then the grammer of slashdot and its editors is uniqie.

No, unique means there's only ONE. (1)

kale77in (703316) | more than 9 years ago | (#11548117)

Unique means there's only ONE. That's what the 'yoon-' bit on the front does. 'Very unique' only undermines the meaning of the word as used. There are no 'moderate' uniquenesses, say comprising of two, three or four things. There's only one kind of unique, the unary kind. Uniqueness is unique! "See Usage Note at absolute... See Usage Note at infinite." [1]

[1] http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=unique

Re:Not true.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11548153)

I might be posting to the wrong place, sorry. I'm a noob here. I wanted to thank Adam for his hard work. I'm a friend of his, and he has also helped out by managing the digital tipping point website. Like many folks on this site, he has a job and a family, but he still works overtime to do stuff like this. So I just wanted to say that this documentation project is typical Adam--all heart.

Christian Einfeldt
einfeldt@gmail.com
http://www.digitalti ppingpoint.com

MICHAEL SIMS IS NO LONGER A SLASHTARD EDITOR? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11546809)

WOOO!!!

Re:MICHAEL SIMS IS NO LONGER A SLASHTARD EDITOR? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11547149)

This is the 2nd post I've heard that mentions this. Is there a story or something I can read? I'm sorry, this is just TOO GOOD to be true, so I'm a little skeptical. (tho maybe I shouldn't be, they did shitcan katz).

A simple voting system... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Crowhead (577505) | more than 9 years ago | (#11546813)

...to keep content of high quality. Now where have I seen something like that?

Re:A simple voting system... (5, Funny)

jm92956n (758515) | more than 9 years ago | (#11546942)

...to keep content of high quality. Now where have I seen something like that?

Oh, oh! I know!

You're talking about the American political system, right?

Oh, wait. . .

Re:A simple voting system... (2, Funny)

fm6 (162816) | more than 9 years ago | (#11547000)

Or maybe the focus groups that are Hollywood's excuse for mindless movies.

Re:A simple voting system... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11547030)

High quality? Sure as hell ain't slashdot!

/me runs like hell.

Re:A simple voting system... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11547554)

Good work moron! You caught a joke.

And then absolutely killed it.

link to the handbook (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11546818)

why wasn't it in the main article?

http://www.slackersbible.org/

btw. first post

Re:link to the handbook (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11546830)

Clicky [slackersbible.org]

Re:link to the handbook (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11546859)

As a slakware user, I thank you.
And btw, the other two guys are also grateful.

Re:link to the handbook (1)

BobNET (119675) | more than 9 years ago | (#11547375)

I am trying to think who the third person is.

Re:link to the handbook (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11547581)

Hahahaha.... oh wait, you killed it. Dumb fuck.

Re:link to the handbook (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11547591)

Well the gp is, I am, and I assume Mr. Volkerding is, and that makes three.

Re:link to the handbook (1)

orasio (188021) | more than 9 years ago | (#11549892)

Here I am

Mirror (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11546822)

The site seemed slow when I was browsing it. I got a mirror up at here. [dealsites.net] . I'm on a new server, so I gotta break it in with some traffic.

why? (5, Informative)

darthpenguin (206566) | more than 9 years ago | (#11546834)

There is already an ongoing project updating the official slackware book at http://slackbook.lizella.net/ [lizella.net] . For the most part, this work provides most information about daily admin tasks that anyone would need. Why is there this new project, then?

Re:why? (5, Informative)

MadRaVen (855576) | more than 9 years ago | (#11546875)

We started work on this before we knew about that. However, we don't see the two projects as being in conflict. This is more of a community type thing and the goal is to replicate the FreeBSD Handbook, which is quite a bit bigger then the Slackware Book. Our content is all under the BSD license, so the Slackware Book can use it. We arn't trying to steal their thunder or something like that.

Re:why? (4, Informative)

Alan Hicks (660661) | more than 9 years ago | (#11546950)

We started work on this before we knew about that. However, we don't see the two projects as being in conflict.

Of course they're not at conflict. At worst it's only healthy competition, like a sports game.

This is more of a community type thing

Personally I found it very difficult to get the community involved in documentation, and most of the "New Good Book" has been of my doing when my time is available.

the goal is to replicate the FreeBSD Handbook, which is quite a bit bigger then the Slackware Book.

And covers a lot more topics. My project is mainly designed to be a good introduction into Slackware Linux, teach people enough about the system to get it up, running, online, and understand the basics of linux in general and Slackware in particular. It isn't meant to be as indepth as what you're starting. Drop me a line sometime though, as I'd love to work together. Nothing like pooling resources to tackle big problems.

Our content is all under the BSD license, so the Slackware Book can use it.

I wish I could do the same. I typically prefer the BSD license for most things. I spoke with Pat recently about possibly migrating the Slackware Linux Essentials book to the Apple Common Documentation License (which is basically the GPL only tailored for documentation), but as he explained it to me the copyright was never transfered to him, so ATM I'm stuck with the GPL, which is fine by me of course.

We arn't[sic] trying to steal their thunder or something like that.

You gotta watch out for those when you're doing documentation! :^)

Re:why? (1)

darthpenguin (206566) | more than 9 years ago | (#11547520)

Regarding the license issues of the unofficial Good Book, it is still possible for the individual writers to contribute their own portions to this new project, isn't it?

Re:why? (1)

Alan Hicks (660661) | more than 9 years ago | (#11547613)

Regarding the license issues of the unofficial Good Book, it is still possible for the individual writers to contribute their own portions to this new project, isn't it?

Short Answer
Ask a lawyer, I couldn't tell you.

Long Answer
IANAL, but it seems to me that as long as the portion in question contains no portions belonging to another author you may dual-license it all you please.

Re:why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11584845)

Slackware, what else when it must be secure, stable, and easy?
Debian Woody

Re:why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11547794)

"the goal is to replicate the FreeBSD Handbook, which is quite a bit bigger then the Slackware Book."

Here's a very important point that was a major reason I tried (and stayed, as it were) with FreeBSD: The Handbook would have said "bigger than the Slackware Book."

The Handbook, besides being huge, in-depth, comprehensive, and easy to navigate, is one of the most well written pieces of technology documentation I have ever seen. I read a bit of it and thought Christ, these guys know subjuctive case and coordinating conjuctions as well as any English Prof I have ever had. This OS of theirs is something I better look into.

Re:why? (1)

orasio (188021) | more than 9 years ago | (#11549920)

We arn't[sic] trying to steal their thunder or something like that.

You gotta watch out for those when you're doing documentation! :^)


That's why they are relying on the force of the wiki!!

Swee jebus, I hope not! (1)

schon (31600) | more than 9 years ago | (#11550018)

the goal is to replicate the FreeBSD Handbook

As a longtime slackware user, and someone who has dabbled with FreeBSD, I sure hope you're kidding about this.

The *LAST* thing we need is instructions like this:

"If you have versions 4.2 or less do X, if you have version >4.2 do Y, otherwise do Z"

Seriously, there were once instructions like this in the FreeBSD handbook (for building a kernel, as a matter of fact). It got fixed after I complained about it, but please, please, PLEASE have someone whose first language is English proofread it for you.

which is quite a bit bigger then the Slackware Book

First, what you really mean is that it's bigger than the Slackware book, and second the size of something has absolutely no bearing on the quality of the writing.

The last thing we need is a bunch of docs written by people with Zero-Wing syndrome - all you'll do is convince people to go elsewhere.

Re:why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11547027)

because i've never heard of lizella.net.

how about getting a dedicated domain for starters...

Re:why? (1)

thejuggler (610249) | more than 9 years ago | (#11547246)

Why is this needed? You ever hear of competition? More than one book can't hurt.

Gentooism! (3, Interesting)

linolium (713219) | more than 9 years ago | (#11546845)

It's good to see that Gentoo's in-depth handbook is starting to catch on with other Linux distributions (not to say they didn't borrow the idea from somewhere else).

It's an excellent way to document Linux instead of having to sift through a long README document or rtfm man pages.

Re:Gentooism! (5, Funny)

Prod_Deity (686460) | more than 9 years ago | (#11547251)

You mean you & the 3 other users made a book waiting for your system to compile?

Re:Gentooism! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11548248)

well i'm one of the other 3, could the final two, please raise your hands?

i don't know why you got modded funny, you're kind of ridiculous.
(1) Last I checked Linux could handle more than one proccess at a time, and it's scheduling is pretty good for programs with user interaction, therefore you don't have to wait.
(2) the time saved with Portage is immense, so that immediately makes up for the initial system compile
and finally..
(3) unless you're running on something below 1 GHz, the compile times AREN'T that bad...and if you're running on something below 1 GHz, Gentoo isn't really for you anyway.

Now, onto the relevant bit. I didn't really read the grandparent's post, but the gentoo forum's are a wealth of information, and it is obviously thanks to the community. i think a Wiki would be even better, drawing the attention of some guru's because it could definitely be a prestige thing.

Re:Gentooism! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11550221)

Gentoo isn't really for you anyway.


Actually, I WORK for a living, and that's why Gentoo "isn't for me" as opposed to some pimply faced geeks with seemingly infinite amounts of time. Go ahead and compile your system for that three percent increase in efficiency, fanboi!

Some things bear repeating [funroll-loops.org] ..

I've even read that some of these guys run Gentoo on productions boxes. If I caught one of my people doing that I'd fire his ass. Gentoo is a TOY.

Are mad penguins launching projects... (0, Offtopic)

mrighi (855168) | more than 9 years ago | (#11546848)

...anything like mad gorillas launching bananas? [oddsim.com]

Just curious. ;-)

Good Luck! (5, Informative)

Alan Hicks (660661) | more than 9 years ago | (#11546852)

Let me be the first to wish them the best. I've been putting together a little "handbook" of my own (not nearly as ambitious as mimicking the excellent FreeBSD handbook, of which I own a hard copy incidently). Of course, anyone is free to contribute provided they license their writing under the GPL for inclusion. Basically it's a rewrite of the Slackware Linux Essentials book by Chris Lumens, Logan Johnson, and David Cantrell. You can find it here [lizella.net] . I call it "The Unofficial Revised Slackware Book Project". Stop by and take a look, I think you'll enjoy it.

Props to these guys and their project, and I'd like to point out to them that can use anything at the above site provided they do so under the GPL.

Re:Good Luck! (1)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 9 years ago | (#11546943)

Interesting Project, In the case of any other distro, i would say that it lacks documentation if it had the amount of docs in slack, but Slackware is a special case. Slackware is self-documenting. Trying to be as unbiased as a Slackware addict can be, i would Say that Slackware doesn't really need documentation, Just generic Unix docs + Specific manpages are all you could ever need. I use to say that slackware only exists at installation time, many distros gets in the middle of your work creating a modified and customized unix environment, in slackware, you know you are running it when you install it, then, it goes away and let you and your system in peace. Simple and Standard, what else can you ask for?.-

ALMAFUERTE

yeah, the thing is (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11547113)

you guys in A.O.L.S are such assholes when anyone asks a question, yet you want recognition for your supposed expertise.

It's only the immature that think being a jackass denotes experience. The irritated techie laughing at newbies went out with the dotbomb, and so should you.

Re:Good Luck! (1)

niittyniemi (740307) | more than 9 years ago | (#11549854)

> I call it "The Unofficial Revised Slackware Book Project". Stop by and take a look, I think you'll enjoy it.

I'm sorry to break the bad news to you but your project has miserably failed the criteria of having an acceptable and pronounceable acronym.

Suggested improvement:

Free Administrators Guide to Slackware

;)

slashdotted (0, Flamebait)

sh1ftay (822471) | more than 9 years ago | (#11546853)

Slackware? The server should be running gentoo. 8 comments and /. already.

Re:slashdotted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11546868)

Mirror [dealsites.net]

Re:slashdotted (2, Informative)

MadRaVen (855576) | more than 9 years ago | (#11547075)

Someone set mysql to accept only 100 connections.....should be fine now

Good thing they have a voting system... (4, Funny)

GillBates0 (664202) | more than 9 years ago | (#11546862)

Warning: mysql_connect(): Too many connections in /home/handbook/public_html/includes/database.mysql .inc on line 31
Too many connections

Line #31 certainly has to go.

Re:Good thing they have a voting system... (1)

unixbugs (654234) | more than 9 years ago | (#11546961)

The wall phones are ringing off the hook. Thanks /.

Depth? (4, Funny)

koko775 (617640) | more than 9 years ago | (#11546870)

dedicated to bringing the power and depth of the FreeBSD Handbook to Slackware Linux users

phew. for a moment there i thought they misspelled "death".

Jokes aside, what's so remarkable about documentation that everyone contributes that warrant s a news post? If I started a "all you need to know about open source" wiki and posted the link, would it be accepted? (if so, it's time to get some advertisers and start rehashing news)

Re:Depth? (1)

MetaPhyzx (212830) | more than 9 years ago | (#11547746)

I suspect that there's a number of Slack users here. To be honest, my forays into linux never really held my interest until I "discovered" Slack... and since then, other than for work (my employer requires any linux servers or desktops to be SUSE. It's a Novell thing, so I wouldn't understand) I've not used another linux distribution. It was almost as complete as my conversion to the Mac platform years earlier.

It seems Slack has also picked up more and more linux users and converts due to it's distro size; an ISO set of two disks for version 10, when you consider some others seem to be verging on eight, nine disks for a distro. It's not bloated, and from install pretty much has everything one might need.

Kudos and good luck to these guys.

Good for Slackware... (4, Interesting)

ltwally (313043) | more than 9 years ago | (#11546872)

This is a wonderful step for Slackware. The FreeBSD Handbook is an incredible reference and guide, and every OS should have something similar....

But what of the 100+ other gnu/linux distributions out there? One of linux's greatest strengths (and weaknesses) is the insane number of distributions and the sometimes strikingly large differences between distros. This book will work for Slackware, and maybe help with a few of the slack-based distros... but probably won't be much help for fedora, gentoo, or the other distros.

But what do I know... I'm just a silly FreeBSD user, and this is only my two cents. ;)

Best of luck w/ the slackware handbook!

Re:Good for Slackware... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11546903)

But what of the 100+ other gnu/linux distributions out there?


"Other" distributions? This heresay shall not go unpunished.

Re:Good for Slackware... (1)

Accipiter (8228) | more than 9 years ago | (#11547189)

This book will work for Slackware, and maybe help with a few of the slack-based distros... but probably won't be much help for fedora, gentoo, or the other distros.

So? Who cares?

Nobody's stopping anyone from making handbooks for those distributions.

Re:Good for Slackware... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11547399)

Hi,

Some people like to define:
OS = kernel ex: Linux

I prefer:
OS = Distro ex: Gentoo, Debian, ...

With this definition, I can answer easily your questions:

"insane number of distributions"
becomes:
"insane number of OSes"
I don't find there is that much choice.

"This book will work for Slackware, and maybe help with a few of the slack-based distros... but probably won't be much help for fedora, gentoo, or the other distros."

For the same reason you would not use the FreeBSD handbook to admin Debian, you would not use the Slackware book to admin/setup Gentoo...

Kernel configuration is usually a small part of the system configuration...

It is not because 2 systems have the same kernel (Linux) and same userland (GNU) that they are the same.

iTux

Re:Good for Slackware... (1)

datadriven (699893) | more than 9 years ago | (#11547478)

But what of the 100+ other gnu/linux distributions out there? One of linux's greatest strengths (and weaknesses) is the insane number of distributions and the sometimes strikingly large differences between distros. This book will work for Slackware, and maybe help with a few of the slack-based distros... but probably won't be much help for fedora, gentoo, or the other distros.

For all intensive purposes a "distro" is just an installer & a package manager. Linux is linux. If you can run one well you can handle any of them.

Since Slackware stays the closest to the basics of any distribution, I would think the information in this book would be relevant to nearly any linux user.

Even those not smart enough to use Slackware in the first place.

Re:Good for Slackware... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11547787)

For all intensive purposes

MOTHERFUCKER

Re:Good for Slackware... (2, Insightful)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 9 years ago | (#11549206)

But what of the 100+ other gnu/linux distributions out there?

What of them? Linux distros rise and sink over time, but Slackware has the distinction of being the first; and from where I'm sitting, I don't see any drop in its popularity.

We got a bit of a scare a few months ago when Pat got sick, and some might have got spooked into defecting to other distros, but many (most?) of us stayed put and don't regret doing so.

Re:Good for Slackware... (1)

SaDan (81097) | more than 9 years ago | (#11549604)

I think Pat getting sick ultimately should turn out to be a good thing, with regards to the survivability of the distro. If anything, it made some people think about what will happen if Pat left Slackware behind (for whatever reason).

I was on the fence, tried a bunch of distros recently, and just can't find anything even close to Slackware. Gentoo's close, but too tedious for production use.

Long live Slackware!

And there's the FreeBSD wiki (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11546876)

The FreeBSD handbook rules. But there's also the FreeBSD Wiki: FreeBSD wiki [tehinterweb.net] Which certainly needs more members.

Another Luser Project.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11546882)

Anothe Luser project. Who cares? Slackware is a nothing...will always be a nothing. No one really cares.

Love the FreeBSD Handbook (3, Informative)

CypherXero (798440) | more than 9 years ago | (#11546886)

I love the FreeBSD Handbook, it's an amazing guide to help get the system up and running. I got FreeBSD 5.3 + X11 + Xorg + Gnome2 compilled and installed in less than 24 hours. (total work time was around 5-6 hours)

Re:Love the FreeBSD Handbook (1)

SubTexel (715118) | more than 9 years ago | (#11546936)

Man what did you install it on?? An 8086? Joking aside, the FreeBSD handbook is a great resource many other OSes are lacking at this point. Gentoo has another one which is nice, but not as in depth as the FreeBSD handbook.

"Unique", not "Very Unique" (1, Insightful)

tbjw (760188) | more than 9 years ago | (#11546899)

Something is either unique (if there is one of it) or not. Calling something "very unique" is bad style.

Re:"Unique", not "Very Unique" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11547393)

Very bad style.

Re:"Unique", not "Very Unique" (1)

SpottedKuh (855161) | more than 9 years ago | (#11547449)

Something is either unique (if there is one of it) or not. Calling something "very unique" is bad style.

That's very true!

Re:"Unique", not "Very Unique" (1)

Ray Radlein (711289) | more than 9 years ago | (#11558515)

After the Norman Conquest of 1066, English absorbed a tremendous amount of vocabulary from French (nearly all words ending in "-tion," for instance). In some cases, such as names for food, these new words formed a parallel structure, with the French words ("poultry," "venison," etc.) becoming the high-class alternatives to their English counterparts.

The one area where French words made almost no inroads, however, was in short, common words such as pronouns and articles and everyday verbs -- the backbones of the language, if you will.

There was one exception: "Sore," from the Germanic "sohr," was pushed aside by the French "vrai," in the form of "very." People forget that "very" doesn't only mean "extremely"; it can also mean "truly" (you can see this root in action in words such as "verify," "veracity," etc.). Consider "I am the very model of a modern Major General," for instance, or the scene in Shakespeare's Henry IV, where Henry at one point declares, to someone who doubts his identity, that he is "the very King."

Because of this, whenever I hear someone say that something is "very unique," I mentally translate it as "truly unique," which is forgivable, rather than "extremely unique," which is not.

I don't do this for their sake, really -- I do it for mine. My blood pressure's already high enough from hearing "more unique" and "most unique" bandied about; no need to annoy myself further.

Re:"Unique", not "Very Unique" (1)

Dabido (802599) | more than 9 years ago | (#11558815)

Yeah verily, Ye doth believith thou speakith sense. :-)

BSD (0)

mboverload (657893) | more than 9 years ago | (#11546960)

- It's STILL dead!

heh, on a more serious note, I think this would be a great thing to have. Slackware is a pain if you done have a clue, like me.

CMS... (4, Informative)

xeon4life (668430) | more than 9 years ago | (#11546971)

The site allows for the community to create and edit its own content. A simple voting system is in place to make sure the content that makes it into the handbook is of the highest quality. This is something that has been needed for some time and the idea of being able to edit our own material is really nice. A very unique project.

Actually, it's not unique.

The content mangement appears to be Drupal [drupal.org] with a modified Marvin 2k [drupal.org] theme.

Drupal has had these features forever.

Move along now.

RMS (1)

MattJakel (815179) | more than 9 years ago | (#11547034)

RMS would be proud [fsf.org] !

It's funny to see all you young linux-whippers (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11547057)

learn something from your elder masters. FreeBSD is the one true operating system; it starts with good documentation, but that's only the beginning. The original poster wasn't kidding -- The FreeBSD Handbook does rock, but it rocks beacuse FreeBSD is powerful, yet easy to use. Further, unlike Linux, which is being torn in various directions by its corporate overlords, FreeBSD just plods along the way we techies like it. So, please _do_ enjoy the FreeBSD handbook. But you might want to feel what its like to have a seriously solid OS supporting your system.

Re:It's funny to see all you young linux-whippers (1)

aichpvee (631243) | more than 9 years ago | (#11547391)

So you're saying FreeBSD is sort of like Slackware with less hardware support?

Re:It's funny to see all you young linux-whippers (1)

atomic-penguin (100835) | more than 9 years ago | (#11547806)

Further, unlike Linux, which is being torn in various directions...

Yeah, it's not like BSD hasn't fragmented into separate distributions like (Net|Open|DragonFly)BSD.

The corporate overlords are just as welcome in the community as Joe Hacker. You cannot deny that hardware support added by RedHat/IBM/etc... does not benefit communities like Slackware and Debian, can you?

...you might want to feel what its like to have a seriously solid OS supporting your system.

The biggest difference between any UNIX or Linux distribution is init scripts and Filesystem Hierarchies. The latter is even supposed to be standardized. Most of the packages found on your BSD box are installed on my Slackware box. I even have BSD style init scripts.

Finally, no OS is 'seriously solid'. There are often countless numbers of buffer overflows or something that can be exploited.

Re:It's funny to see all you young linux-whippers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11549561)

Yeah, it's not like BSD hasn't fragmented into separate distributions like (Net|Open|DragonFly)BSD.

BSD doesn't have distributions, only complete operating systems.

Even better? (1)

ralphclark (11346) | more than 9 years ago | (#11547500)

Or how about something like this [slashdot.org]

Re:Even better? (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 9 years ago | (#11549238)

Hmmm, there are those who might whine about the etiquette of linking to your own posts, but that one was quite well said.

RTFM ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11547701)

I started out writing some content, but then I noticed I started to recreate the man pages. At that point, I began to wonder.. why can't people just RTFM?

FreeBSD Handbook in Plcuker format (3, Interesting)

hacker (14635) | more than 9 years ago | (#11547716)

I've had the original FreeBSD handbook [freebsd.org] fetched nightly and converted to Plucker format [plkr.org] for awhile now. Take a look, its a beautiful piece of work.

I do this for quite a few other pieces of work (the Gentoo handbook, PHP Documentation [plkr.org] (in 21 languages, it looks spectacular in color), the Creating XPCOM book [mozilla.org] is even available in Plucker format [plkr.org] , as well as many others.

These are not straight conversions, they require actual human eyes to look over them, test them, add navigation and other elements. For example, look at the Plucker version of the 9/11 Report [plkr.org] that I did. I added a LOT of functionality that wasn't there in the original version. (I also put my pristine HTML source version online [gnu-designs.com] for anyone to read. You can see the additional features I've added in that copy).

I'll be making a lot more of my stealth works public soon.

When they're finished with the Slackware Handbook, I'd be more than happy to look it over, do the conversion, and provide it in a mobile format for our user community.

This is good news (1)

Exter-C (310390) | more than 9 years ago | (#11548284)

This is good news. Although Slackware has had some good documentation its often out of date by a few editions each time.

Getting the priorities right. (1)

Animats (122034) | more than 9 years ago | (#11548476)

As of today, there's nothing under "Common Tasks" or Desktop Applications, but "Configuring the Kernel has been filled in.

Also, this seems to be in another one of those no-pictures documentation formats, like DocBook.

What's wrong with this picture? Go to the computer section of any bookstore and try to find a book that has no drawings or screenshots.

Re:Getting the priorities right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11548579)

Just because there are no pictures yet means nothing... it's a CMS. It can have pictures and it wouldn't surprise me if some didn't start showing up. Give it time. The project is brand new and community driven. This actually means that if you want to add pictures, you probably can.. so get some screenshots and start submitting! :)

It's not DocBook by any stretch. This is Drupal and a full-featured CMS. It's just been stripped down so don't let the format fool you. Mad Penguin has put some serious juice under the hood of this baby. KernelTrap.org runs the same software actually and it does very well (with pictures haha).

Another thing to keep in mind is that the book is not going to be put together in any sort of order. This is because the community is working on it, not a single author. So the edits can be totally random. It'll fill up though. This is a solid project.

They need one more section, at least... (1)

fudgefactor7 (581449) | more than 9 years ago | (#11550179)

They need a section for odd bugs that get encountered from time to time. For instance, I did a kernel upgrade on Slackware 10 to 2.6.7 using the mkinitrd instructions from Pat's mini how-to on a system with integrated i815 chipset video. Under the 2.4 kernel /dev/agpgart is working and happy, under 2.6.7 /dev/agpgart is missing and you have to recreate it every boot with "mknod /dev/agpgart c 10 175". Sure, you could go Googling for the info, but it would be nice for them to have a single location for the odd stuff that can happen from time to time.

right on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11552131)

Slackware rocks!
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