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iPod Most Popular Music Player on Microsoft Campus

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the along-with-everywhere-else dept.

Media (Apple) 1017

bblazer writes "Wired is running an article about how despite the displeasure of management, the iPod is the most popular music player on the Microsoft campus. The article states that 80% of those who have digital music players have an iPod. Employees have even started using different headphones to be a bit more stealthy about it."

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Bill buys Apple? (2, Funny)

turtled (845180) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551685)

I wonder if he'll make an attempt to buy Apple, and say it's his idea... It's like Coke employees drinking Pepsi.

Re:Bill buys Apple? (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551752)

There's an old cartoon floating around that shows a Pepsi truck driver being called into the boss's office. The driver gets fired because they found "coke" on him :)

Re:Bill buys Apple? (5, Insightful)

Alan Partridge (516639) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551824)

It's not a bit like Coke employees drinking Pepsi (which they'd be pretty dumb to do as they'd probably have access to all the free Coke they wanted). iPod is a neo-Walkman, the only way it threatens MS is in the fact that it totally ignores their pointless, me-too, proprietary .wma crapmat.

FP? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11551686)

Yes?

Re:FP? (0, Offtopic)

skaffen42 (579313) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551892)

Yes?

No. Now grow up.

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Re:LOLJEWS (-1, Troll)

essreenim (647659) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551750)

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What's the big deal? (0)

Hobbes69 (684471) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551696)

Are there any Microsoft branded players? I'm not aware of any but I'm not in the market either. Also, doesn't Microsoft own like 20% of Apple?

RTFA (2, Insightful)

GillBates0 (664202) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551724)

Most of the competitors to the iPod use Microsoft software:

Of course, Microsoft's software is used by dozens of competing music players from manufacturers like Creative Technology, Rio and Sony. Its Windows Media Audio, or WMA, format is supported by several online music stores, including Napster, Musicmatch and Wal-Mart.

Re:What's the big deal? (4, Informative)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551725)

Good god, this old chestnut again.

Microsoft bought a small amount of non-voting stock in Apple some time ago as part of a deal that kept IE and Office on the Mac platform.

Microsoft has long since sold those shares, at a fair profit I might add.

Microsoft doesn't own any part of Apple at present.

Re:What's the big deal? (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11551875)

"Microsoft bought a small amount of non-voting stock in Apple some time ago as part of a deal that kept IE and Office on the Mac platform.

Microsoft has long since sold those shares, at a fair profit I might add."

Actually, Microsoft 'bought' the nonvoting stock to prevent Steve Jobs from suing their ass over blatent rips of Quicktime that was brought to his attention while Owner / CEO of NeXT. It meant nothing to him at the time because he was a scorned man, having been fired by the company he started several years earlier. Once NeXT was bought up and he was brought on as a 'consultant', he was once again in a position to care about Apple's goings-on and layed it on the line with Bill that Microsoft was going to be sued and even at their weakest, Apple had several billion in the bank (and to this day, in a much more liquid form than Microsoft).

As such, it was deemed that Microsoft would save face by 'investing' almost a billion in nonvoting stock that should have by all means been worthless after a few years with Apple's then track record, but at the same time, no one expected SJ to make a return as he had (most expected at the time, he'd transition NeXT to Apple and go to the next little 'big thing' he had planned). This also helped in the rublings of the Antitrust suit in Microsoft's advantage.

Microsoft was never supposed to make any money, but it nearly doubled their investment by the time they cashed out.

I got this info from one of the higher ups at Apple at a conference about the time of the investment...but as I'm posting as an AC, you should take this with a grain of salt.

Re:What's the big deal? (1, Redundant)

mmkkbb (816035) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551729)

Well, I'm glad this popped up quick.

The answer is: NO. MS bought $150 million of Apple stock. Not even enough to be a voting share.

Changing headphones isn't so bad.... (1)

SouperDouper (568634) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551698)

it's free apple advertising, and they're really not comfortable, at least in my ears.

Re:Changing headphones isn't so bad.... (1)

AddressException (187785) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551762)

That's fine for you, but the Microsofties are changing them because of the association with a competing product, not because of the comfort level.

I wonder... (3, Interesting)

BigDogCH (760290) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551705)

I wonder if Microsoft employees use a disproportionately large number of MACs, or are more likely to be Firefox users. I mean, fast food workers never want to eat where they have worked, and people who work at many factories refuse to buy products from that factory. Maybe they feel hatred towards their employer.

Re:I wonder... (2, Funny)

AddressException (187785) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551738)

  • large number of MACs
  • The slashdot technique to debate: You misspeelled a word, so your arguement is dumber then me.

No comment!

No (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11551773)

Why the hell would they use Macs? That's just plain stupid.

Re:I wonder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11551853)

i have a female friend that applied for a job at Bluebell inc. they manufacture Wrangler brand bluejeans, they did not hire her, this happened about 10 years ago and since then she refuses to buy any products manufactured by Bluebell, and opts for Levi Strauss...

can't say i blame her, she needed the job at the time...

Re:I wonder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11551870)

>> ...fast food workers never want to eat where they have worked...

I worked at Taco John's ((American) Regional Taco Bell equivalent), and I have no problem eating there now. The food was actually prepared to order though, so maybe that's some of the difference over a place like McDonald's.

Representative of Microsoft's "vision" (5, Insightful)

Gob Blesh It (847837) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551707)

The Microsoft employee's open letter to Bill Gates [weblogs.com] almost made me choke. In case you haven't read it, let me paraphrase: "How do we make an iPod killer?" he asks rhetorically. "First we must harness the blogosphere!" he answers. "Then we'll design the interface by committee. Synergize, baby."

Anyway, I found it interesting how clearly the note reveals (what seems to be) Microsoft's general thought process. Never lead, always follow. I mean, how pathetic is this sort of blatant, shameless me-tooism? While innovators like Apple are trying to build the future, Microsoft employees like this guy are trying desperately to catch up... and they still can't figure out how.

Just my two cents from an Apple fanboy. Flame on...

Re:Representative of Microsoft's "vision" (-1, Offtopic)

GoofyBoy (44399) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551746)

>I mean, how pathetic is this sort of blatant, shameless me-tooism? ....
>Just my two cents from an Apple fanboy.

*cough*cough*

Re:Representative of Microsoft's "vision" (1)

computerme (655703) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551790)

wow. after reading scoble open letter about the ipod, i now think even less of him. AND i wasn't sure that was EVEN possible....

Re:Representative of Microsoft's "vision" (5, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551801)

Well, while your characterization of Apple as a ceaseless innovator may be a little over the top, you do have a point about Microsoft, one that demonstrates the dangers inherent in a monopoly or oligopoly controlled industry.

Microsoft doesn't innovate because they don't NEED to innovate. They know that they can be late to the party on a particular feature or product, and they will still be able to capture the majority of the market, because they can offer two things that no one else can possibly provide:
1.) the strength of the Microsoft name, and
2.) Seamless integration with Windows, a family of operating systems that over 90% of the public uses, and which only one company has full access to the internals of: Microsoft.

If the innovation does not fit into a category that can be exploited in this way, Microsoft can either purchase and rebrand the technology, or develop their own clones and bury the competition in predatory pricing and overwhelming marketing.

Why bother to innovate when it's so much easier not to?

Re:Representative of Microsoft's "vision" (5, Insightful)

Geekenstein (199041) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551802)

Being a copycat has always been a strategic business move. Let some other company develop a product, spend countless revisions figuring out what doesn't work, have lots of expensive bombs and R&D costs. Then you simply make a cheaper version of the sucessful product without comitting your own resources to forging the path.

That, my friend, is known as smart business.

Need an example? Here's a quick one. Tivo and the satellite/cable PVRs. The content providers can do it cheaper, because they don't have those large R&D bills. Tivo, on the other hand, has to produce the product, pay the expenses incurred, and still somehow make a profit.

The innovator is usually the one who ends up going out of business. Apple is (currently) the exception.

Re:Representative of Microsoft's "vision" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11551803)

innovators like Apple are trying to build the future

I can't decide whether you and the moderators that modded you up are stupid, or if you're astroturfing. Either way, you've just cost Apple a sale. Instead of buying a Mac to play WoW on, I'm going with a PC, and it's entirely due to your statements, you and the others like you.

Re:Representative of Microsoft's "vision" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11551876)

Thank goodness. There's already more than enough classless plebes buying Macs nowadays.

Re:Representative of Microsoft's "vision" (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551828)

"How do we make an iPod killer?" he asks rhetorically. "First we must harness the blogosphere!" he answers.

Yeah, I followed the link hoping for some interesting comments on design and features, but his answers to "how to make an iPod killer" are all about marketing and advertising and celebrity endorsements. Not that those hurt, but how about making a good device?

Re:Representative of Microsoft's "vision" (3, Funny)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551863)

So apple invented the hard drive based mp3 player? Holy crap, that's amazing.

You got served.

If ya can't beat um ... (0)

kkovach (267551) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551708)

... join um'.

Though, they'll never admit.

Why iPod anyway? (3, Interesting)

schestowitz (843559) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551709)

With SD Cards reaching 1GB in size, why don't people just use PDA's for music? A mystery or just an impending trend?

Re:Why iPod anyway? (1)

.Spyder78. (453998) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551767)

Because bigger is better, didn't ya know? If it has more GB's, it has to be better. I'm waiting for the 100gb music player so I can store 2398462439875342 songs on it for 1,000,000 hours of music bliss... ...yeah, I know the battery only lasts 15 hours. So??

Re:Why iPod anyway? (4, Insightful)

dknight (202308) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551779)

while PDAs have decent general-purpose use battery life these days, mp3s kill them pretty quick. besides that, they're still generally bigger than an ipod... pdas also tend to be more expensive and you still wind up with less space than an ipod.

Re:Why iPod anyway? (2, Interesting)

yetdog (760930) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551783)

One word: style. It's chic to have one of these, and it extends to the interface. A pretty looking piece of dung is still a piece of dung, but Apple has managed to take something that looks amazing and make it work just as it looks.

Re:Why iPod anyway? (3, Informative)

Jheaden (169061) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551818)

Two words... Battery Life

Most PDAs I've used just don't have the battery life that a dedicated device has. I know mine doesn't (HP iPAQ 1945), although that is the low end of PDAs anymore.

Re:Why iPod anyway? (2, Insightful)

astebbin (836820) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551821)

Well.... considering the fact that my iPod has 40gb, and my Palm only has two, I'll go with the iPod. Plus, the iPod mini is smaller and fits easier in the pocket than a Microsoft PocketPC.

Re:Why iPod anyway? (5, Insightful)

pdbogen (596723) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551823)

Interestingly enough: The lack of a good player, no worthwhile eyes-off interface, and battery life. My iPod lasts a lot longer than my PDA would, if my PDA were playing music (empirical evidence)

That, and a 1GB SD card comes up on Froogle for $54. This is a third the price of the 1GB iPod shuffle, but does not include the cost of the playing device, which is almost certainly at least $100.

So, you've got a comparably priced solution, with a worse interface, and shorter battery life. Of course, a PDA is still a PDA, in the end.. So it really depends on what feature set you are most interested in.

Anyway, I have a 40GB iPod, which would be about $2,200 in SD cards, and it cost me less than $200 (thanks, freeipods.com)

Re:Why iPod anyway? (2, Informative)

foo12 (585116) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551826)

To match the capacity of an iPod, you'd need to buy 20, 1GB cards. That's about $1500 for media alone.

Re:Why iPod anyway? (2, Interesting)

mingot (665080) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551854)

For me the attraction to the iPod (or at least hard drive MP3 players) is being able to put my entire music collection on it. I have about 19 gigs of music files and it's hard to get a decent subset of that because I'll inevitably want to hear a song I didn't put on the 1 gig sized playlist over the course of a day. Add that to the fact that I'm LAZY and don't want to waste time building a playlist every night and the "fire and forget" nature of the hard drive players become must have.

Huh? (3, Insightful)

JamesD_UK (721413) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551712)

Why is this particularly interesting? Should they should be using a digital portable music player made by Microsoft instead of Apple?

The iPod is the most popular digital music player. It's fairly like that if you take any subset of the population that the iPod will also be their most popular player.

Re:Huh? (1)

computerme (655703) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551754)

its interesting because Microsoft makes the software for all of the ipod's competitors...

what if it turned out if 80% of msoft people used OSX at work?

interesting now? yep...

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11551806)

Hmm, the iPod is supposed to be Apple's Trojan horse into the desktop market, isn't it? I wonder how many Microsoft employees are, even now, awaiting the arrival of their shiny new Mac minis... :)

Re:Huh? (1)

jargoone (166102) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551861)

It might be interesting if your points were actually valid. There are many players that don't use MS software at all. Also, your OSX "analogy" doesn't apply, because MS has a competing product.

Try harder next time.

Re:Huh? (5, Insightful)

colanut (541823) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551852)

It is interesting because (from the goddamn article):
So popular is the iPod, executives are increasingly sending out memos frowning on its use.
Microsoft doesn't currently make hardware, but the sure as hell make a competing media format. Balmer and co have made a lot of noise about the iPod as well. But the point is, how can you make an Apple killer if your own employees are using the competition.

Re:Huh? (1, Redundant)

LinuxMacWin (79859) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551866)

Why is this particularly interesting?

- If employees in Microsoft are allowed to carry a portable MP3 player, then does the management have a right to control which one they can?

- If after one year we find 80% of Microsoft employees carry non-iPod players, would that not be interesting. And would there not be undue pressure on employees ... leading to similar class action suits against Walmart ... although the softies will be too soft to raise stink and lose their fat checks.

- If Microsoft was making MP3 players, even then should it matter what the employees buy? What if General Mills said you must eat only our cereals!!

It is interesting because it is an interesting take on reality (iPod share), management conflicts, employee preferences despite kool-aid. Sometimes just an honest peek into the realities behind a FUD campaign is interesting.

headphones (3, Informative)

Darth_brooks (180756) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551714)

Employees have even started using different headphones to be a bit more stealthy about it.

Could be, or maybe they just don't want to get mugged. White iPod headphone do a great job of saying "I've got an expensive, easy to steal piece of electronics on me."

Also, iPod headphones suck. after half an hour my ears started hurting with the old ones.

Re:headphones (1)

dezzo (546052) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551774)

yes, the headphones are really bad acoustically. They may look nice, but it's about the sound.

Re:headphones (1)

jargoone (166102) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551787)

Completely agree. They are uncomfortable, and sound like crap. And, they're ugly. Mine are sitting in the box in the basement, and I'm using an inexpensive replacement instead.

Re:headphones (2, Funny)

profet (263203) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551793)

Could be, or maybe they just don't want to get mugged. White iPod headphone do a great job of saying "I've got an expensive, easy to steal piece of electronics on me."

So thats why the iPod shuffle was released... Its all coming together now...

Re:headphones (4, Funny)

gotgenes (785704) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551797)

Could be, or maybe they just don't want to get mugged. White iPod headphone do a great job of saying "I've got an expensive, easy to steal piece of electronics on me."

Exactly! 'Cause I know I certainly keep hearing about these muggings that happen to all these people wearing iPods in upper-middle class neighborhoods, schools, universities, and especially large, patrolled software giant campuses.

...

Consider whose campus it is (1)

ianscot (591483) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551889)

these muggings that happen to all these people wearing iPods in ... large, patrolled software giant campuses.

The mind reels with examples of ways in which Bill G. and his cohorts might go about acquiring someone else's iPod.

Business ethics are one of the few areas in life where I honestly do think things "trickle down." Petty theft isn't at all unheard of at big corporate "campuses."

Re:headphones (1)

computerme (655703) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551825)

that white earphone thing getting mugged was an urban myth...

you do know that it was made up...?

kinda like the easter bunny...

oh and the ipod phones may suck to you but obviously not everyone has your pro level ears... they seem just fine to me...and the vast majority of the 10 million ipod owners out there...

It goes to show... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11551881)

"they seem just fine to me"

Right.

Now do you understand why so many people use windows? It seems fine to them!

So if you can accept that people who have a little knowledge know that Windows sucks, why can you not accept that people who know what good sound is know that the Apple iPod earpuds suck?

Seriously, think it through.

Re:headphones (1)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551832)

My left ear is a bit smaller than my right, the buds that came with the iPod hurt like a bastard in my left ear and made it all red. I looked in the apple store and found a nice set of normal earbuds for like $20 and snagged 'em up. They work great and fit nicely in even my deformed mutant ear.

Could it be (4, Funny)

CDOS_CDOS run (669823) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551715)

Can you imagine people using the most popular product of it's kind?? I bet many of them drive HONDAS too!!!! What will Bill do?? Micorsoft doesn't compete with Apples Ipod, why would anyone at Microsoft care?

Re:Could it be (1)

iMaple (769378) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551891)

Micorsoft doesn't compete with Apples Ipod, why would anyone at Microsoft care?

Yeah , right. Its just a coincidence that most (and I think all) other music players use MS based software and run WMV files (which the iPod doesn't).

Best comment ever, from a M$ manager (4, Funny)

dmuth (14143) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551716)

Straight from the article:
But at the Windows Digital Media Group, which is charged with software for portable players and the WMA format, using an iPod is not a good career move.

"In the media group they all smoke the company dope on that one," the manager said.


So a Microsoft manager is comparing their own products to mind-altering substances? I won't dispute that!

Re:Best comment ever, from a M$ manager (1)

CactusInvasion (838662) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551860)

The best defense: I was here trying to get WMAs working on it, boss! See, then we can convert all those iPod users to us! Honest!

Here comes Bill! (3, Funny)

Pirogoeth (662083) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551717)

Quick! Put that thing away!

This makes no sense... (1, Funny)

dook43 (660162) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551723)

Why would people who spend all day on the computer have portable music players?

Re:This makes no sense... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11551811)


Why would people who spend all day on the computer have portable music players?

Plug the player into a dock at your work & home PC then pump music through the computer speakers while the thing charges.

Re:This makes no sense... (5, Funny)

slimak (593319) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551814)

At my work, we are not allowed to use company resources for personal use. This includes playing audio CDs on our computers, playing digital audio on our workstations, etc. So a portable player is a good solution. I should probably not be posting to slashdot either...hmmm.

Re:This makes no sense... (1)

Cassius105 (623098) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551847)

because they want to bring there music collection into work and listen to it

and i dont think the sys admins would appreciate people filling the hard drives with mp3s

Re:This makes no sense... (1)

hab136 (30884) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551857)

Why would people who spend all day on the computer have portable music players?

So you have something to listen to while you're staring at that blue screen!

(And seriously, because it's more convenient, no syncing problems, etc)

MS tasteless again? (2, Interesting)

CactusInvasion (838662) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551727)

I think it'd be a total coup for Bill to be seen with one and just say offhandedly, "Oh, they're pretty good" and then go back to whatever he was doing. It boggles the mind that management at Microsoft has nothing better to do than chase down iPod users. That employees think they have to hide them is frightening. I can only imagine that meeting with the boss: "Uhh, yeah. We've seen you using an MP3 player made by someone other than us. We're going to have to let you go."

So? (0, Troll)

jonr (1130) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551732)

IPod (iPod?) is _the_ most popular mp3 player, why not on MS campus? Does MS even make a mp3 player? /slow news day, eh?

First Sign of Intelligent Life at Microsoft! (5, Funny)

Zemplar (764598) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551733)

Here you have it folks. Not everyone at Microsoft is hatching ill-conceived ideas; apparently it's only the Management.

Slow News Day? (-1, Troll)

toby360 (524944) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551737)

Another meaningless Slashdottian post...

Wow, that certainly is surprising... (1, Insightful)

Rakthar (580956) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551740)

So, if we look at the numbers:

The Ipod owns 80% of the digital media player market.

Of the MS employees who own a digital media player, 80% of them own Ipods.

So this means that MS employees are just regular people who happen to work at Microsoft?

This story is analogous to a breaking headline such as "Pizza hut driver seen eating Dominos!" "Adidas executive wears Nike for his morning run!" "Pepsi bottler drinks Coca-Cola at hot dog stand!"

And you expected...? (1)

ChibiLZ (697816) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551743)

Well, Microsoft workers or not, they all know what the best MP3 player is out there. I don't see too much of a problem as there isn't any direct competition that I know of. There are no Microsoft-branded HD MP3 players out there. I understand the incongruency of this, but it's not like I can blame them for having good taste.

If I had their stock options... (-1, Flamebait)

TheRealMadScientist (850473) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551744)

...I might pay a premium for membership in the herd as well, but there's no excuse for paying way too much for way too little player in my book (not to mention the draconian DRM and Mac centricity).

Apple Employees are as much a consumer as you are. (1)

teiresias (101481) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551751)

Would management be pleased that their employees were using the Rio's [digitalnetworksna.com] or any of the other mp3 products out there? Is this because Microsoft has some displeasure of it's employees using a product that were not made by Microsoft? If that's so is the MS I-Pod killer that far around the corner?

Seriously, it's an I-pod. Get over it. If it was effecting their productivity that would be one thing but I doubt it's the case. And get over the fact that MS employees are using I-Pods. They're as much a consumer as you are.

This Just In! (0, Redundant)

Smegma4U (301112) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551753)

The iPod is the most popular music player just about anywhere you would look, whether it be a company, school, or recreational area.

That's because they have the largest market share of any MP3 manufacturer.

It's not like M$ has their own branded player yet...

outside their firewall... (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11551755)

MS has an unsecured network for test projects - a little bird told me that when launching iTunes on this unsecured network (from within the MS campus) you can see dozens, if not hundreds of shared iTunes libraries--all being shared by Rendezvous.

iPod comments (1)

ButtNutt (846086) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551760)

As a die hard PC/MSFT user, I have to say that the iPod is really the pinnacle of mp3 players. The look/feel is clearly superior to any other products. Plus you also get some "trendy" intangible benifits similar to the ones Starbucks and Banana Republic bestow. You cannot underestimate that. Finally, my thoughts are that Bill kinda likes Apple being there as "anti-monopoly" insurance. Apple is trying to venture into the set top box territory with the miniMac, so there is a little competition with Windows Media Center so it will be interesting to see how that space shapes up...

and who cares? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11551761)

who cares, good lord it is a stupid little music player, not teh end all of everything.

last time i checked MS doesnt make a portable music player either.

A matter of time (2, Funny)

Enevitable (783991) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551765)

Until microsoft makes their own branded MP3, I can't imagine the DRM fiasco that would be

The Simple Truth (1)

SpottedKuh (855161) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551768)

Perhaps the cutest line of TFA is:

Neither Apple nor Microsoft responded to requests for comment.

Apple need not say anything; the article said it all. As for Microsoft, there simply is nothing they could say.

Insight into the campus here... (4, Insightful)

kneecarrot (646291) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551769)

I actually work for Microsoft (gasp! and I also read Slashdot!). My cube-mate owns an iPod. I remember the week after MSN Music was launched, he took his iPod with him into the cafeteria. He was waiting in line to grab his lunch and noticed that people kept cutting in front of him in line. He couldn't figure out what the heck was going on until he realized the people cutting in front were all from the music division. They had seen the white earphones and were "punishing" him for going with the competitor.
Sometimes people can be very petty here.

iPods at MS, Windows at Sun (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11551771)

When I worked at Sun Microsystems New York Office, the majority of Java developers & managers carried Dell laptops loaded with Windows. No Solaris & not even Linux. Reasoning - Java JRE 1.3 ran best on Wondows, & that is what 90% of their Wall St clients used as well. Who cud argue with that ?

It's natural. (1)

Jack Taylor (829836) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551778)

The iPod has the best user interface and best looks of any hard disc player out there. Sure, it doesn't have ogg vorbis support and it is a little expensive, but it still beats all the competition that I'm aware of. It's got tonnes of geek appeal - of course every programmer is going to want one!

If Bill doesn't like it then Microsoft should bring out their own product. It worked with the XBox...

This could work for David Letterman (1)

LinuxMacWin (79859) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551782)

Remember his old NBC / CBS jokes....a variation on them....could work for other companies.

1. Dave, you are recording the program now, what do you watch when you go home.

Of course, Leno - who watches CBS?

2. Today Les Moonves (CBS Boss) had a busy day. There are so many series to review, so many decisions to make, such a tough life. So when he reached home, he relaxed watching an episode of Friends on NBC.

I am sure other jokes can be built. But you have to imagine Dave speaking for these to have some effect.

I personally recall working in Reebok and a colleague wearing Nikes, and the trouble he got from management.

Slightly off topic, but I hope "Funny" moderators.

Well... (1)

astebbin (836820) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551786)

It's not like people are going to walk around with Media Center PC's slung around their backs.

Though I am sure that somewhere, someone has tried to do this and ended up flat on their back with several hundred dollars of busted equipment that didn't work right in the first place...

So what they need ... (1)

airrage (514164) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551788)

So what they need is a iPod case mod. Something plastic and industrial looking that would "snap-on" over the iPod.

Amazing that corp security allows them (4, Insightful)

winkydink (650484) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551792)

A 40Gb writable device that easily attaches to one's computer.

Apple beware! (1)

warderz (839772) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551804)

The MSPod is coming soon! With numerous features, such as bsod and random skipping!

What else is smuggled in? (2, Funny)

CTO1 (850830) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551810)

Perhaps there are a few employees that are sneaking in Knoppix CDs disguised as AOL disks.

there has got to be a good wma--aac converter (1)

kgruscho (801766) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551815)

if that many of the MS folk use ipods, somebody has got have a decent protected wma converter out there to put music from the media player stores onto their ipod without loss of quality.

That's nothing (1)

iamacat (583406) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551817)

Did Bill Gates check what kind of browsers his employees are using lately? Or where they go to search the web or check e-mail. Talk about elephant in the house...

Company Dope (1)

Cliff.Braun (825786) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551833)

They have company dope? Even Google doesn't do that.

Oh god. (0, Flamebait)

jb.hl.com (782137) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551837)

Another day, another Apple fanboy story (and another tick on my preferences page :).

Pulp fiction time (2, Funny)

savagedome (742194) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551842)

The way Steve looked at it, this iPod was your birthright. He'd be damned if any of the slopes were gonna get their greasy yellow hands on his boy's birthright. So he hid it in the one place he knew he could hide something: his ass. Five long months, he wore this iPod up his ass and disguised himself on the Microsoft campus. Then when he left because of dysentery, he gave me the iPod. I hid this uncomfortable piece of metal up my ass for two more months. Then, after seven months, I was sent home to my family. And now, little man, I give the iPod to you.

Make sure the wire coming out of the headphone jack is not too thick. Sometimes it hurts but I can tell you that once you use iPod, you will never go back.

With apologies to Mr.Tarantino

reasons why this is an issue for MS (1, Insightful)

musikit (716987) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551848)

1. if their own employees don't buy into DRM and WMA how can expect the general public to.
example. you work for MS. are you going to tell your parents to buy a Rio with WMA technology or an IPOD.

2. the "eat your own dog food approach" we'll how can you tell if your cooking sucks if your not "taste testing"

3. 7 degrees of seperation.
I.E. MS employees X number of people (i donno exactly how many but we will say 20k for exmaple) the average family is 2.3 people. so 46k people. each of those people has say 10 friends 460k people. and 2 extended families ( round to 5) or...2.3 mil people...

So? (1)

LoRdTAW (99712) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551856)

"Despite the displeasure of management, the iPod is the most popular music player on the Microsoft campus."

If they don't like it then make their own goddamn player and sell it to their employees.

as usual, take wired with a grain of salt (4, Interesting)

sootman (158191) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551867)

Robert Scoble--one of the people mentioned in the article--has already written [weblogs.com] about it. "Personally there's no way that 80% of our employees own an MP3 player. I don't know what world that source is living in, but it's not the one I live in... the story is a non-starter. I know a lot of Apple employees who play Halo 2 too. Is that a story?"

Ed Bott has some good comments [edbott.com] too: "Now read the story. Read it carefully.... Note that the entire thingis based on an interview with one "high-level [Microsoft] manager who asked to remain anonymous." From this one source, we are able to calculate with confidence that 16,000 employees at Microsoft's Redmond campus own iPods... taking an offhand remark from an unknown source (who may or may not have a hidden agenda and who may or may not know what he's talking about) and extrapolating it to the entire campus is just silly...
One thing they teach you in Journalism 101 is that when you have a single anonymous source, you don't have a story. That's still true."

In other news... (1)

GbrDead (702506) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551877)

... most Microsoft employees run Linux at home and discuss Apache configuration problems at the coffee corners using a special code language :-)

And this matters because... (1)

slungsolow (722380) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551880)

Oh yeah.. I forgot that iPods don't work within the windows operating...

Oh wait... no... One of the reasons that the iPod is so damn popular is because it works on the windows operating system. Why in god's name would Billy get upset over a piece of hardware being used? For that matter, why would he get upset with a piece of hardware being used that his company doesn't even compete against.

This would make more sense if microsoft had a handheld gaming unit, and everyone on the redmond campus was walking around with a DS or a PSP. I can see him getting pissed in that case.

I can only imagine.... (2, Funny)

astebbin (836820) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551883)

"Hey! You with the iPod, put it away right now!"

"Yes sir, sorry sir."

"Ok, just make sure it never happens again. Wait a minute... is that Knoppix running on your workstation?!? Bill, for the last time..."

Best Quote: (1)

rampant mac (561036) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551884)

From the article:

"But at the Windows Digital Media Group, which is charged with software for portable players and the WMA format, using an iPod is not a good career move.

'In the media group they all smoke the company dope on that one,' the manager said."

Don't take the brown acid, man!

First User? (2)

vbdrummer0 (736163) | more than 9 years ago | (#11551885)

I wonder who the first Microsoft guy was that brought an iPod onto campus. That must've taken balls.
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