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GNOME 2.10 Beta 1 Screenshot Demo

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the prettyful dept.

GNOME 480

linuxbeta writes "GNOME 2.10 Beta 1 has just been released. There is a nice screenshot demo here. Also known as 2.9.90, GNOME 2.10 Beta 1 is the first pre-release intended for wide public scrutiny before the final release in March. It is packed full of tasty GNOME goodness. This release is a feature frozen snapshot primarily intended for wide public scrutiny before the final GNOME 2.10 release in March. Like the good old days of Linux kernel development, GNOME uses odd minor version numbers to indicate development status. Please check the 2.9 start page for more info. - gnomedesktop.org/node/2138"

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omg (-1, Flamebait)

armtheproles (856990) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594073)

Michael Sims Fired, Joins GNAA to Troll Slashdot Full Time
Michael Sims Fired, Joins GNAA to Troll Slashdot Full Time

FREMONT, CA (TECHNEWS) - After a heated debate at Slashdot executive offices, editor Michael Sims was locked out of the building and departed in a tirade of lisping insults, vowing revenge immediately. This morning, industry sources revealed that Sims has joined the infamous trolling organization Gay Nigger Association of America with the intent of trolling Slashdot fulltime.

In a short phone interview with Technews, Sims asserted that he was calm but resolved on his course of action. "The Slashdot editors and I had a disagreement," he explained. "I did it all for the users, but they..." he drew the syllable out painfully, resting on a case full of Little League trophies and certificates of participation from transgendered dating services, "They just couldn't take my truth. They were -- babies, just babies, oh, the horror, the abomination," he said, before being led away by three white-clad male nurses.

According to Harvard Psychology Professor Arnold Rothstahlberg, "trolling" is an internet phenomenon where dissenting users disrupt a site by flooding it with absurd or paradoxical information. "It satisfies the primal id," he said, chewing on a large, bulbous, phallic black cigar. "To justify themselves by forcing their enemies into hysterics. It's a compensatory mechanism much like getting back at the kids who beat you up in high school by installing Linux and using it to pingflood their XP boxes and Macs."

Slashdot editor CmdrTaco was reticent to comment. At an interview conducted in the crap-filled Ann Arbor bungalow he shares with his wife, to whom he proposed over Slashdot, he said, "Well, you know, Slashdot is just a web site. Michael should calm down about this. But if he doesn't, our corporate sponsors will sue him until he's giving $4 blowjobs on Haight Street."

From the GNAA corporate headquarters, a mysterious floating island off the coast of Newfoundland that few reporters have seen and even fewer have returned from with their sexual identities intact, GNAA "Head Programmer" timecop said he was glad to have Sims on hand. "From what I've seen of his postings on Slashdot," said timecop, "he's a total fag. Which is convenient as all our halfops need anal, and I can't handle the drama. That's what's worst about the net: the drama."

Sims has been involved in previous internet firefights, most notably the controversy over the censorware.org website in 2001. While Sims alleges that the site was his creation that was sabotaged by others, his coworkers disagree. Bennett Haselton, security consultant for the "Anarchy Anal" and "Chaos Cumshot" websites, said of Sims, "We set up this website, and left him the password. We have a disagreement, bam, the website goes down and someone raped my two-week-old Labrador puppy with an iPod."

Slashdot Editor CowboyNeal, who was entangled in a whale net after attempting to swim the English channel, spoke fondly of his former coworker. "Michael always brought a certain passion to the work, a passion that was easily ignited and led to many sweaty sessions in the corporate washroom," he said. "I'm not at all surprised he joined an organization of gay niggers. He always like something different and unique in his pasta salads."

Programmer Seth Finkelstein alleges that Sims is "totally unstable" and agreed readily to this interview. "Of course, I'm a disinterested observer," he said. "But anytime I see that closet psychopath and monkey nut-muncher stealing the spotlight from hardworking programmers like myself, I have to speak up, for the benefit of the people, of course," he said. Technews reporters were permitted to leave the premises only after making a PayPal donation to Finkelstein.

Mike Godwin of the EFF, who balances a career as privacy advocate with his hobby of making videos of teen swingers blowing goats, agreed. "I've never met another editor like Michael," he said. "And, since my regimen of retrovirals is already costing me an arm and a leg, I hope I never do." Godwin mentioned that Sims believes his trolling of Slashdot is providing a "different perspective" that benefits "the broader Linux, er, Slashdot, community."

When Technews returned to interview Sims, he spoke softly and with conviction. "They don't have the interests of the user community at heart," he said. Suddenly he was pounding his desk in tears. "Those bastards cut off my lifeline, my raison d'etre," he sobbed. His voice and eyes became clear, a hatred burning behind the lenses. "I'll crapflood every Linux kernel update from now until oblivion. They haven't heard the last... of Michael Sims," he said.



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Fly for a white guy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594270)

Michael IS pretty fly for a white guy.

Re:omg (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594275)

It appears there's some veracity to the story. [refundersrefuge.org]
Good riddance, Michael Sims. Enjoy Canada.

THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING - HEY TROLLS (0, Offtopic)

ThinkAboutYourBreath (735770) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594075)

Hello, and THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING

Yes that's right, THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING. Why you might ask? Well it's simple!

Your brain usually takes care of breathing FOR you, but whenever you remember this, YOU MUST MANUALLY BREATH! If you don't you will DIE.

There are also MANY variations of this. For example, think about:

  1. BLINKING!

  1. SWALLOWING SALIVA!

  1. HOW YOUR FEET FEEL IN YOUR SOCKS!

  1. THAT ANNOYING SONG THAT GETS STUCK IN YOUR HEAD!


In conclusion, the THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING troll is simply unbeatable. These 4 words can be thrown randomly into article text trolls, into sigs, into anything, and once seen, WILL FORCE THE VICTIM TO TAKE CARE OF HIS BREATHING MANUALLY! This goes far beyond the simple annoying or insulting trolls of yesteryear.

In fact, by EVEN RESPONDING to this troll, you are proving that IT HAS CLAIMED ANOTHER VICTIM -- YOU!

i guess im in wikipedia so i hit it bigtime, hows troling been

Hello. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594153)

Nice to see you again. So yeah, what's it like having been mentioned in the Slashdot Trolling Phenomena Wikipedia entry [wikipedia.org] ? It must be nice, but they put you in the "Minor Trolls" category. Fucking bastards. Yours is the most effective. I know all about the troll and it STILL gets me. In fact, I'm thinking about my breathing right now! *breathes*

First Superbowel post! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594172)

First Superbowel post!

Go Patriots!

frist psot? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594076)

?frist?

hurrah gnome (0, Redundant)

ICeDX (835320) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594078)

Looks awesome, gnome rules

Shitty SS's (5, Funny)

wdd1040 (640641) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594084)

Yeah... 640x480 screenshots with a shitty theme really show us the changes to Gnome.

Is it me, or does this look worse than the stock ubuntu install Gnome?

Re:Shitty SS's (5, Informative)

Coryoth (254751) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594239)

Is it me, or does this look worse than the stock ubuntu install Gnome?

If you look through the screenshots, it is an Ubuntu install, and has a number of the Ubuntu customisations already, so it's not even very representative of what the general GNOME 2.10 user is going to get. All up, the screenshots aren't worth your time, head here [gnome.org] to see what changes GNOME 2.10 has.

Jedidiah.

Fonts look nice (2, Insightful)

Dancin_Santa (265275) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594086)

But everything is so huge. The screen resolution looks really terrible. What is that 640x480? Did GNOme just enter the VGA world?

And I'm not sure I'd like that "Courtesy of OSshots" banner at the top. Ugly.

So my initial reaction, is, "Hey, that's cool. Where did the mouse pointer go?" Then my second reaction was, "It looks like every other window manager out there."

Screenshots are nice, but what are they trying to show us that can't be done with any other window manager?

Re:Fonts look nice (1)

Leroy_Brown242 (683141) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594098)

yeah, I love screen shots. But these aren't so great. Possibly to a more trained eye, but not mine.

Biting comment! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594128)

Ouch. That comment was meaner than a junkyard dog!

Re:Fonts look nice (1)

maglor_83 (856254) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594109)

Looks pretty much exactly the same as the current version to me.

Re:Fonts look nice (2, Funny)

daijo78 (783312) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594131)

Would be nice with some comments and screenshots showing whats new. I really couldnt tell any difference from the previous releases (could have tried hrder but I m lazy:) Also that theme muust be the most ugly one they could have choosen...

Re:Fonts look nice (4, Informative)

Coryoth (254751) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594179)

Would be nice with some comments and screenshots showing whats new. I really couldnt tell any difference from the previous releases (could have tried hrder but I m lazy:) Also that theme muust be the most ugly one they could have choosen...

I think this [gnome.org] is what you're looking for - of course this one is "old news" having been posted on Slashdot previously. It does a lot better of job of actually showing you what to expect in GNOME 2.10 than the selection of Ubuntu screenshots from OSDir though.

Jedidiah.

Re:Fonts look nice (1)

daijo78 (783312) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594252)

Thanks! Looked great:)

Re:Fonts look nice (1)

kesuki (321456) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594174)

it is 640x480, and apparently was done by someone who doesn't know how/didn't want to bother to resize larger resoultion desktops to smaller image sizes. and it looks awful in 640x480, and yeah Ubuntu (at least the Live CD) tends to default to 800x600 or if it can't configure your graphic card to 640x480... so perhaps Ubuntu was mis-configured.
I'm sure they've put a lot of work into it, but that it's very difficult for an end user to tell what has actually changed. what is signifigant is that this is a feature freeze, and that any new features will need to be impleneted in the next unstable release, and that only fixing existing bugs and vulnerabilities will be reasons for point releases in this release branch. Some distos will only use applications that have impleneted a feature freeze, so this will allow those distros to gradually incorperate this version, as it proves itself stable enough for use by those distros.

Re:Fonts look nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594185)

the screenshots are at low resolution so they load fast, thats all.

Re:Fonts look nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594207)

Christ, how far off the deep end have you gone to assert that the "fonts look nice" in these screenshots? I suppose they look nice if you've been accustomed to mediocrity, as Linux desktops will. Certainly the text in these screenshots looks nicer than Windows XP, but that's a little like measuring the size of your penis against a cocker spaniel's.

If you want to see how a good desktop environment renders text, look no further than Mac OS X.

niiiiice (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594087)

niiiiiiiiiice

What's Gnome? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594089)

Does it run KDE?

New GNOME release codename: DOGGONE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594091)

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release date (1)

r84x (650348) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594092)

I'm confused, according to their release schedule, this is due on the 9th. Is it really coming out 3 days early? How often does that happen?

Re:release date (1)

hazah (807503) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594142)

Your sig made me giggle.

What about Nautilus (1, Interesting)

jm91509 (161085) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594093)

A screen shot in there seems to hint that we'll be able disable the annoying feature where nautilus opens new windows for each directory you select instead of the real estate saving tree view.

Anyone know if 2.10 can have a tree view for directory hierarcies?

Re:What about Nautilus (5, Informative)

wdd1040 (640641) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594104)

You can do that now by going into your Desktop | Preferences | File Management applet.

Re:What about Nautilus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594113)

It's been in the GUI preferences to shut this off since GNOME 2.8.1

Re:What about Nautilus (2, Interesting)

sewagemaster (466124) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594124)

Anyone know if 2.10 can have a tree view for directory hierarcies?


It's not nautilus, but try xfe [roland65.free.fr] . It has tree view and is LIGHTENING quick - even faster then Rox file manager. I've been looking for the ultimate file manager on linux desktop and this one might just cut it.

Re:What about Nautilus (1)

ftgow (791708) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594133)

Run GCOnf. Go to Applications, Nautilus, Preferences Select 'Always Use Browser" There you go.

Vectorized graphics (4, Interesting)

st3v (805783) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594095)

I hope GNOME will take a step ahead and use vector graphics. Then those of us that use large screen resolutions (such as those UXGA laptops) will have nice looking fonts without a magnifying glass. I know it might be easier said than done, but this will push the Linux desktop miles ahead.

Re:Vectorized graphics (1)

Leroy_Brown242 (683141) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594115)

yes, fonts have been a long time gripe for me as well. I end up running a lower res than I'd like, or just guessing what text says. making me unpopular on IRC. :)

Re:Vectorized graphics (1)

xenocide2 (231786) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594189)

Its been a while, but I'm pretty sure GNOME has already been using vector graphics for a long time. I recall my roommate doing a background in vector graphics, though that might have been an gdm login screen instead. It had a robot breating fire! Also, I'm pretty sure icons can be vector graphics as well. As for text, all I can really think of is sub pixel rendering, or whatever its called for X. There was an article not too long ago on the subject, just look for something like "cleartype linux."

Re:Vectorized graphics (5, Informative)

be-fan (61476) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594236)

Fonts are already vectorial. If you've got a high-resolution screen, just go to "Preferences", then "Fonts", click the "Details" button, and set the "Resolution" spinner to get the fonts to the right size. For a UXGA laptop, presuming a 15" screen, 133dpi is the proper resolution, and 8-9 is the right-size for the UI font. I have such a screen, and I use Albany AMT 9pt at 130dpi, with sub-pixel anti-aliasing disabled (but the auto-hinter enabled). I've also heard of good results with 8pt or 9pt Tahoma at 133 dpi with sub-pixel AA enabled.

Re:Vectorized graphics (1)

be-fan (61476) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594251)

Oh, I forgot in my other post. With regards to non-font rendering, GNOME is already planning on using Cairo (a vector-graphics library) for its core drawing routines.

Re:Vectorized graphics (3, Informative)

ticktockticktock (772894) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594265)

Hmm. I thought the font issue was already solved, at least in SUSE, where font sizes at a given point are exactly the same size (or very close to it) in different resolutions. I vaguely remember reading somewhere, that it was actually an X related feature where it calculates the actual pixel heights/widths based on the DDC info from the monitor that contained the monitor's actual height/width, and if it cannot get that info, it defaults to something (I think).

Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594097)

Any user of Mac OS X can see, in these screenshots, the wretched face of desperation--and an ugly face it is too. Compared to Aqua, the GNOME environment is misery embodied. So the question naturally presents itself: Why would anyone bother using Linux, when a brand-new Mac can be had for $499?

Face it, Linux advocates. Your time has come and gone. 2004 was the year of Linux on the desktop, and nobody noticed. Five years hence, GNOME and KDE both will lie forgotten in the dustbin of history.

Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594121)

Given that law-abiding citizens must pay $699 for a license to run Linux, it is indeed one of the universe's great mysteries why anyone would choose that exercise in mediocrity over Mac OS X.

Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (0, Troll)

desplesda (742182) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594132)

That's right. This screenshot tour is, of course, the official screenshot tour, delivered by GNOME. You can tell they're desperate for exposure - look! They posted a message to a mailinglist and everything!

Troll.

Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594154)

Dear desplesda,

Are you trying to say these screenshots look good to you? Only a slob with a face even uglier than GNOME could possibly espouse such a patently absurd opinion. How you can bear contemplating your own visage in the mirror each morning is truly beyond me.

Sincerely,
"Troll"

Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (2, Informative)

maglor_83 (856254) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594148)

Why would anyone bother using Linux, when a brand-new Mac can be had for $499?

Maybe you already have an x86 that you want to use.
Maybe you already have a mac?
Or maybe you don't like the fact that a Mac Mini only has a 32MB video card which can't (officialy) be upgraded, when to run nicely, OS X really needs at least 64MB?
Or maybe you prefer the various desktops available for linux to Mac OS X?

Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (1)

MuckSavage (658302) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594165)

Or maybe you don't like the fact that a Mac Mini only has a 32MB video card which can't (officialy) be upgraded, when to run nicely, OS X really needs at least 64MB?


Who told you that nonsense?

Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (1)

maglor_83 (856254) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594186)

Well I guess my idea of running nicely is a little high. That and like to do fancy graphics stuff, which slows it down.

Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (1)

ciroknight (601098) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594298)

I'm guessing you've never owned a Mac. My iBook with its dinky 32MB card and 256 MB of ddr (before I added a gig) ran every graphical piece of eye candy completely fine until the harddrive got very full (98%). Then it seemed like the operating system swapped out a lot, causing it to be a bit slower. Even then, it was much better than anything I've seen in Windows, and its performance was still good enough to play World of Warcraft without batting an eye.

Apple can show you that minimalistic hardware can go a long way. No need for 256MB graphics cards on a daily user or an economy machine.

Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594230)

"a Mac Mini only has a 32MB video card ... when to run nicely, OS X really needs at least 64MB?"

Not only does your bullshit reek to Rome and back, but also consider that there is no amount of VRAM that can make a Linux desktop "run nicely". You could cram your video card with four gigabytes and still fail to compensate for Linux's myriad shortcomings as a desktop, interface usability and beauty chief among them.

Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (2, Interesting)

mboverload (657893) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594149)

Aye. I wish linux was purtyer. I am probably going to get a new mini instead of make a machine with linux on it. OSX with it's security and programs makes it a better option. If you had talked to me 5 years ago, I would be pissing on macs all day. However, Apple has make a great turn-around and the price makes getting a regular machine and putting linux on it unreasonable.

Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (1, Insightful)

hazah (807503) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594206)

Um... yes, why indeed would anyone at all bother using linux. You have a flawd perception as to what linux is. Besides it being only a kernel (which isn't even the point here), it is, from the perspective of many, a highly adaptive system. A GUI, in linux, is NOTHING but a front end. It has a very specialized use. I don't think you'll ever find a linux user (one that actually knows how to use it, that is) that will brag about it's GUI. They probably don't care, and would laugh at the notion. Quit trolling, you obviously don't know what you are talking about.

Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594247)

Hahahaha! And you know what the worst thing is? You probably actually believe yourself.

Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (1, Insightful)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594212)

I knopw that this was meant to be a troll but there is some truth to what you say. But I don't think looks are the main problem with it. The main obstacle for linux adoption on the desktop are some of its advocates who vehemently oppose movements like the LSB and commercial involvement with linux.

Face it guys, it's all well and good to have principles but the average joe/jane wants to have access to closed source apps on their platform of choice.

Linux advocates must also come to the hard realization that many closed source apps have superior UI's to their open source counterparts because those companies took the time and money to hire UI designers.

Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (1)

Joe Tie. (567096) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594276)

Depends what you mean by superior. I'd agree that they're often more on target to the audience in general, but that often comes at the cost of what the more geeky crowd wants. The windows interface is well suited to, say, my non-technically inclined boss. Personally though, it seems at times that it was created by studying what I like to do and then putting in an active effort to make it difficult to accomplish. KDE fits my style well, and if it comes at the cost of it arriving on the average Joe, than so be it.

Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (0, Flamebait)

mythicflux (794321) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594227)

Any user of Mac OS X can see, in these screenshots, the wretched face of desperation--and an ugly face it is too. Compared to Aqua, the GNOME environment is misery embodied. So the question naturally presents itself: Why would anyone bother using Linux, when a brand-new Mac can be had for $499?

Absolutely right, just as five years from now Apple will need to produce yet another product to maintain it's relevence in the computer industry. Let's not forget how Apple's mainstream appeal tends to fade after the mainstream consumer market get's over the fad that Apple produced.

I mean obviously the iMac is still the powerhouse it was in 1998.

As for the $499 dollar price tag, nice move on Apple's part but to quote Mr Steve Ballmer "DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS" which I'm sure that Apple will have in abundance once Linux moves into #2 in the desktop cosumer market (thus further erroding Apple's relevence).

But hey, you keep your narrow little Mac Zealot view of the world and all the Linux user's in the world will be there thumbing there noses at your elitist crap... Troll.

Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594267)

I want you to remember this post in five years when even the most zealous of zealots have given up on waiting for a Linux desktop that doesn't cause ocular hemorrhage.

Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (1)

callipygian-showsyst (631222) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594303)

As for the $499 dollar price tag, nice move on Apple's part but to quote Mr Steve Ballmer "DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS"

That's an excellent point (which I talked about here [robert.to] ). In fact, the reason I switched from Macintosh development to Windows development is because the tools on Windows are many times better than Apple's crashy UI slapped on top of Gnu's Objective-C compiler and GDB.

Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594228)

Anybody here ever heard of GoblinX, a live cd distro that focuses on pretty gui's. Linux (even gnome) can be beautiful if you want it to be.

Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (3, Interesting)

ScytheBlade1 (772156) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594274)

Oh really? [lynucs.org]

Besides, I thought that personal tastes are just that. Personal.

Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594287)

Don't you think it's sad that in order to refute a post claiming that OS X's interface is superior to Linux desktop environments', you have to point to a screenshot of someone's desktop imitating Mac OS X?

Also, Mac OS X's usability aesthetic runs much deeper than anything you can patch onto GNOME or KDE with a simple theme. Don't be a cockcheesewad.

Differences (1)

desplesda (742182) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594101)

How many of the differences that we can see in the screenshots are from the new GNOME, and how many are from Ubuntu? I run Ubuntu, and it customises a fair bit of the GNOME desktop.

Re:Differences (1)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594180)

I've installed GNOME on gentoo which pretty much uses the stock gnome and I didn't find really anything too remarkably different. The changes must focus on the underlying stuff and not gui enhancements.

Difference (2, Insightful)

mboverload (657893) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594105)

Honestly, I relaly don't see much of a difference.

Difference? Difference! (2, Funny)

nxtr (813179) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594163)

Look at the version number!!! It's one more than the other versions! C'mon! Just look!

Re:Difference? Difference! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594203)

Unfortunately that seems to be the extent of the difference. 95% of those screenshots could have easily appeared in the preview for Gnome 2.6. The article in general seems to be a flop.

Re:Difference (-1, Flamebait)

Bootle (816136) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594243)

It looks the same to me as well, and by same I mean ugly.

Honestly, gnome looks like something from 1995. I always used KDE just because it looked good. I also hate having everything in a right-click context menu.

Maybe I've just been spoiled by OS X....

Re:Difference (1)

Compenguin (175952) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594286)

I love the right click context menu. It seems fairly analogous to object oriented programming. You right click on your "object" and perform actions on it. The right click is like the dot.

Gnome? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594106)


A changelog be more useful than crappy screenshots...

And why is this news anyway? There's several hundred current distros. Wheres the news posts for all those?

Re:Gnome? (5, Informative)

Coryoth (254751) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594222)

A changelog be more useful than crappy screenshots...

Indeed, this story seems to be a waste of time. If you want screenshots that actually show you what you're getting that's different, look here [gnome.org] . It's old news (it's been up for some time), but it gives you a far better idea of what you're getting.

Jedidiah.

Wow! It looks, it looks....(exactly the same?) (2, Interesting)

RootsLINUX (854452) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594112)

Visually I can see no leaps and bounds here, so I'm a little baffled at the purpose of the "screenshot slideshow". Then again, graphics certainly aren't everything. I haven't been reading up on GNOME developments lately but what is "Assistive Technology"? It sounds like something dubious and misleading that Microsoft would promote...

Re:Wow! It looks, it looks....(exactly the same?) (4, Informative)

be-fan (61476) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594205)

"Assistive Technology" is technology to help the disabled use computers. Stuff like screen magnifiers, screen-readers, high-contrast colors and icons, etc.

Re:Wow! It looks, it looks....(exactly the same?) (1)

mibus (26291) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594220)

Assistive technologies are things like screenreaders, magnifying glasses, etc. that are largely intended to assist those with disabilities.

It's a requirement for being usable in some areas (some governments IIRC require it).

Re:Wow! It looks, it looks....(exactly the same?) (2, Interesting)

akulbe (625876) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594285)

I'm thankful I'm not the only one that has been thinking this for a LONG time.

In my opinion, Gnome has looked the same since around 2.2 - 2.4. Nothing new, really.

Call me a naysayer if you will, but I'm not impressed.

Volume Control (5, Interesting)

espergreen (849246) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594120)

Having used gnome 2.92 in Ubuntu Hoary, I have to say the best new feature is the volume control. The old one had way to much information, the new one is amazing. It's hard to describe, but it's much better than the old one. It may not seem like a big deal. But gnome currently only has a mediocre volume control. In the next release it will have the best volume control I have ever used on any platform.

What, does it go to 11 ? (4, Funny)

anti-NAT (709310) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594171)

I didn't think there could be much room left for new invention in volume controls.

Re:What, does it go to 11 ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594192)

sure there is, they could read your mind and adjust volume levels perfectly to suit your desire...

-7 Flamebait (1, Insightful)

netrat (104221) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594126)

It's not my intention to knock Gnome, but I think it future releases could have a more all-ecncompassing set of system configuration tools, like KDE has. Maybe I'm just not digging well enough, or am using too old of a version, but Gnome has always seemed to pale to K in that regard. KDE is frigging ugly though. We live in a world of trade-offs, I guess.

errrrmm (0, Offtopic)

netrat (104221) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594141)

-8: Dear God at least look at what you typed after typing it.

Sad (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594129)

Sad, after reading about GNUStep to see what a sad state the Linux desktop is today.

Those Mac mini's are looking tempting...

bad menu UI (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594130)

There's a big space between the "foot" and "Applications" (same spacing as between other menus), yet they're the same menu?! Either glue the foot to Applications, or call it foot *or* applications. What where they thinking?

You actually think this looks good? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594139)

If you think these GNOME screenshots look good, or even more important - will be a step forward in usability, you're really out in the cold.

When you grow tired of your amateur GUIs...consider Mac OS X. It looks so much better than the KDE Krokodile and GNOME beta screenshots that i've seen - so much better that it's not even funny ....and, and the interface is actually intuitive - you dont have to know anything about UNIX or X servers or modelines or anything to use it.

I mean, stop kidding yourselves - Windows 3.1 looked better than these screenshots.

Re:You actually think this looks good? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594175)

Greetings, fellow connoisseur of aesthetic excellence! I wholeheartedly agree.

Sincerely,
11594097 [slashdot.org]

Re:You actually think this looks good? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594193)

I think OS X rocks, too, (and that Linux desktops have quite a way to go) but jeezus, quit being a "better-than-you" troll...

still only one background for workspaces (3, Insightful)

DeathAndTaxes (752424) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594168)

This is just about the only complaint I have with gnome. You're stuck with the same desktop pic on all your workspaces. It's gone on too long, and it's silly.

A geeks wishlist... (3, Insightful)

rmdir -r * (716956) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594176)

Smaller GTK widgets (Maybe its just perceived, but GNOME, and GTK apps in general seem to waste waay to much real estate... not everyone has a 21' monitor..)

A decent default theme (Grey is ugly. Get over it.)

I love gray, but GNOME ain't gray (1)

Quattro Vezina (714892) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594244)

Gray is a beautiful colour. Themes that aren't gray tend to irk the hell out of me. That theme isn't gray--it's tan. Who's bright idea was it to use a tan theme for a desktop?

Frankly, the default looks of both GNOME and KDE are rather ugly. I used to think it was just GNOME that was ugly--not only the default theme, but also most user's themes, but I've since realised that most KDE themes (including the default) are just as ugly.

KISS: Ubuntu and Gnome (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594188)

Congrats to the Gnome and Ubuntu teams. You have taken Linux from depths of desktop mediocrity and confusion and transformed it into something that real people can use to get work done.

Re:KISS: Ubuntu and Gnome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594278)

Sure, much like "real people" can self-administer a lobotomy with a toothpick. Why not use a jackhammer (Mac OS X) instead? It'll be much more pleasurable.

Backwards? (2, Funny)

hokputooy (762081) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594200)

2.10 is actually 2.1 mathematically.

Re:Backwards? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594240)

Pfft. Who cares about math? This is FOSS versioning. It could be -3.12^0-b5u next.

Question? (4, Interesting)

Vectorferret (814726) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594204)

As a real question (not trolling), does Gnome have a graphical way to edit the menus yet? My primary reason for staying with KDE is I don't want to have to edit them manually.

Re:Question? (4, Informative)

chazwurth (664949) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594279)

Yes, several.

You can right-click in the menus for some options. You can also, for example, open a nautilus browser window and type 'applications://' in the URL bar to edit the applications menus as if they were directories.

Check out the GNOME docs on menu editing. They're not perfect, but they aren't too bad.

Why is that the default gnome theme? (1)

xenocide2 (231786) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594210)

Everybody in the world comes up with a better one. For what amounts to promotional screenshots, you'd think they'd try to at least demonstrate how pretty it can be, even if does eat cycles and causes noticable lag / draw in. Is it just that they dont want to play favorites with the other author's choices?

gnomeflexiserver tied in with xscreensaver (5, Interesting)

Sark666 (756464) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594217)

I tried gnome recently and found out about this cmd to graphically quick user switch a la xp/osx. So one user can log in and leave other(s) still logged in.

This has some issues but what would give almost complete functionality right now, would be if the screensaver had an option to run gnomeflexiserver.

The other problem with this though, is if logged in as another user, the other users settings for xscreensaver will kick in after the idle time and bog down the other user(s). I also believe this will take over the 3d functionality of the users card and not allow another user to use it.

Also, I recently set up my .asoundrc file for software mixing with alsa, and used esd for gnome sounds and piped to alsa. I get sound in pretty much everything simultaneously, nothing holding the soundcard, but if another user uses gdmflexiserver to log in, that user will have no sound.

Afaik, this is also a bit of a kludge, tying another Xscreen to a vert terminal similar to some users using ctrl alt f8 for the other X session. I'm not sure if there would be a way to tie multiple users to one Xsession, but I would think it would save resources and potentionally avoid sound/video accel getting taken over by just one login.

I know this is somewhat off topic as I don't believe gdm is being enhanced in the coming future in this regard, but I'd like to know how /. users deal with this with multiple users in the household. Esp wanting to lock out kids from ones login by xscreensaver but not locking them out from theirs.

Xp and MacX have now had this for ages. The DE's for linux really need to catch up in this regard.

Perhaps I'm missing something... (3, Insightful)

hatrisc (555862) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594219)

But screenshots of the next version of a piece of software do absolutely nothing if it looks exactly the same!

Wow! (5, Funny)

gustgr (695173) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594221)

I can't wait to see the ScreeShots of Gnome 2.10 Beta 2!

I didn't RTFA but can it.... (1)

Dark Coder (66759) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594246)

Can it edit START menu?

For 5 releases (2.4 to 2.9), I haven't been able to drag and drop a new ICON/application into the START menu bar, yet.

Last time I tried this, it involved a convoluted method of editing three different files just to borne a new application menu item within the START menu.

(sigh).

Re:I didn't RTFA but can it.... (1)

MarkMcLeod (759072) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594288)

Er. What's this start bar you speak of?

Better screenshots/descriptions (4, Informative)

kasparov (105041) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594250)

Here [gnome.org] are some better screenshots of apps in this release with descriptions. Much better than the 640x480 screenshots linked to in the article.

GET A LIFE!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594256)

Ok, Now I know there are lots of people who look at slashdot at all hours of the day, but >50 posts before 12:20am EST? come on!! Get a life people! .... uh .... I guess ... I'm going to go get a life now... :P

big deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11594258)

The shit looks the same as the gnome I have now and the version before it.

Whoopty doo.

If gnome 2.10 has some great technical improvements they sure as hell aren't evident from those screenshots.

Innovation at Slashdot! (5, Funny)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594261)

GNOME 2.10 Beta 1 is the first pre-release intended for wide public scrutiny before the final release in March. It is packed full of tasty GNOME goodness. This release is a feature frozen snapshot primarily intended for wide public scrutiny before the final GNOME 2.10 release in March.

To those who say the Slashdot staff are resting on their laurels, I present you with what I believe to be the first case of single-story duplicity!

It looks like Microsoft Windows (-1, Troll)

callipygian-showsyst (631222) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594290)

With the bar on the top!

Standard graphics (1)

aventius (814491) | more than 9 years ago | (#11594302)

I love gnome and its my preferred gui... but why can't the default gnome have a little style? Get rid of the shitty screensavers, beef up the 1994 era icons, and throw in a few good wallpapers that aren't solid colors or a rainbow on crack like this one. I realize that graphics don't matter with regards to functionality... but dammit, a piss poor interface is just a lack of attention to detail.
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