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1332 comments

Wow - that was fast! (4, Insightful)

bigtallmofo (695287) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641600)

Didn't this just happen? How in the world did they get a $1 million judgement against LokiTorrent already!?

Is it just me or do the wheels of injustice move far swifter than the wheels of justice?

Re:Wow - that was fast! (-1, Flamebait)

LaPistola (813411) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641671)

RTFA! No one won anything.. the jerk that owned the site caved.. there will be no court case.

Parent is flamebait and trollish. Mod down. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11641730)

Yes, he's certainly a jerk for not wanting to be dragged through excessive litigation, bankrupted by lawyer fees, and probably having to pay a settlement anyway. He's a jerk for not wanting to be subject to more gestapo tactics from the MPAA. Yeah, okay.

And I suppose all those people who settle out of court against the RIAA are jerks for paying a few thousand dollars instead of risking a multi-million dollar settlement.

Ordinary people don't have the money to fight these things. It doesn't make them jerks.

You are a troll and need to get some sense of reality.

Re:Parent is flamebait and trollish. Mod down. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11641773)

No, the guy is a jerk. He solicited donations from the site's users, saying he was going to fight the case, and collected about $40,000. He then not only gave up the case and kept (or settled using) the money, but turned all his server logs over to the MPAA.

Re:Parent is flamebait and trollish. Mod down. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11641827)

Do you have any idea how expensive legal fees are? It doesn't say anything about what he's doing with the money. It's entirely possible he intends to pay people back their donations. If he chose not to, he could possibly be sued. And $40,000 just isn't enough to wage a court battle against the MPAA's lawyers.

As far as turning the server logs over, it's not like he volunteered to do so. That was ordered by the court.

If he chooses to pay people back their donations, will you still say he's a jerk?

Re:Parent is flamebait and trollish. Mod down. (1)

LaPistola (813411) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641842)

? Ok, All I know is that he tried to sell the site... then all of a sudden the $40,000.00 that was raisd foa a lawsuit is gone.
This was not a flame starting post.. I was just letting the idiot that posted that he didn't know what he was talking about.
Mine was not any more rude than your reply.. so that make you a sense of reality.
I calld the guy a jerk cause he caved and chose the cash.. I am not saying I wouldn't have done the same thing.. but I would be a jerk.

check out lowkee's YAHOO profile (5, Informative)

SilveRo_kun (741555) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641601)

I love his favourite quote... it seems an MPAA statement reguarding lokitorrent's defeat.
From his profile:
http://profiles.yahoo.com/edwebber [yahoo.com]

Favorite Quote
"Then there will be running and screaming - Jurassic Park"

Thank god my ip address is not in the logs that he gave the MPAA.

I don't think he will answer, but from his profile you can see when he is online, and you can send him a message asking him what's going to happen to that donation you made for the lawsuit. A normal e-mail address is supplied, too.

P.S, for some reason, sometimes YAHOO says the page doesn't exist... if this is the case, try google's cache [216.239.59.104] =)

Re:check out lowkee's YAHOO profile (2)

Marnhinn (310256) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641751)

It seems to me that he (Ed Webber) simply took the money and ran - screwing over anyone that did donate to the defense fund (I didn't thankfully).

LokiTorrent raised well over thirty thousand dollars and was getting about 680,000 - 700,000 hits a day. That has to be major advertising dollars also. If Ed did cut a deal with the MPAA, he could have made bank.

I'm not the only that thinks this it seems [torrent-news.com]

QUIT LYING! (3, Insightful)

Emrikol (21551) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641602)

It's copyright infringement, not theft for fuck's sake!
Quit trying to make people confuse them.
That's like saying amputation is "partial murder".
Hmm, I take that back...I don't want to give them any more ideas!

Re:QUIT LYING! (0)

smooth wombat (796938) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641682)

Copyright infringement is a form of theft since the rightful owners of the copyrighted material aren't being compensated.

Yes, yes, legally they are two distinct issues but overall they are linked.

You didn't or aren't paying the copyright holder to distribute the material in question. Therefore they are losing money everytime you illegally distribute it.

Don't bother trying to use the excuse, "I wouldn't have bought the song anyway." If you weren't going to buy the song/album then don't download it simply because it's free. Quit being a hypocrite.

You're wrong. (5, Insightful)

ShallowThroat (667311) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641766)

When you take something from someone else, and they no longer have it, that's stealing.

When you go over to someones house (after they invite you in, of course) examine an object of theirs, and go home and make your own... That's copyright infringement. Assuming, of course, that object was in fact under copyright and not public domain or anything.

Quit buying into their shit.

Re:QUIT LYING! (5, Insightful)

Frymaster (171343) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641777)

Copyright infringement is a form of theft since the rightful owners of the copyrighted material aren't being compensated.

well, that's a pretty broad definition.

is someone parks in my driveway without giving me five bucks, is that theft? no. it's trespass which is a totally different crime, even though it meets your definition of theft.

they key component of theft is that the owner is denied the use of the property. if someone boosts my car i am denied the use of it. that's theft. if someone violates copyright, the original holders still have property.

bottom line: loss of alleged, potential, future revenue is not theft of a tangible, existing asset. copyright infringement is not theft.

Re:QUIT LYING! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11641791)

Copyright infringement is a form of theft since the rightful owners of the copyrighted material aren't being compensated.
Bullshit. If copyright infringement was a form of theft it would be treated as a criminal matter when it's clearly a civil matter. Besides which, copyright is not a natural right--funny how people like you like to treat it as if it were.

Besides which, if it were a form of theft it would be called copyright theft instead of copyright infringement.
You didn't or aren't paying the copyright holder to distribute the material in question. Therefore they are losing money everytime you illegally distribute it.
More bullshit. They aren't losing anything by the mere fact that it's being copied. You can blather on all you like about lost sales, but that's just pure hokum.

Re:QUIT LYING! (1)

ShallowThroat (667311) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641708)

Yeah, but they don't care. They want people to think it IS theft, so they just keep repeating it, and eventually people start to repeat them without thinking. Afterall, "theft" is much easier to fit on a headline the "copyright infringement".

Minor correction to the story: (3, Insightful)

Golias (176380) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641755)

LokiTorrent, a popular torrent bootlegger site, has officially been shutdown.

Copyright infringement is a type of theft.

When you take something without securing permission to take it, even if you are just taking a copy of intellectual property, that is theft.

If you ask me to sign a petition to revise copyright law to be more favorable to consumers, I'll gladly sign it. If somebody rus for office saying he wants to make copyright more fair, I'll listen to his ideas. ... But what I won't do is support data piracy. I'm not at all sad to hear that LokiTorrent is gone. They were ripping people off, and those people were perfectly within their rights to unleash the lawyers.

Re:Minor correction to the story: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11641833)

When you take somethign and deprive the rightful owner of it, that's theft.

When you take something and the owner still has it, that's copyright infringement.

What I want to know... (5, Funny)

Vann_v2 (213760) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641603)

What I want to know is, if I were to work for the MPAA, would I get a cute proto-fascist uniform? You know, maybe black or a rich tan color, with a little armband and small hat. Because if I did then I'd definitely work for them.

Re:What I want to know... (1, Funny)

garcia (6573) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641651)

What I want to know is if we can all be forced to wear yellow "I" patches pinned to our shirts to identify us as the Illegal Downloaders [lokitorrent.com] group.

HAHAHA dead Jews are funny.... ASSHOLE!!!!!!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11641681)

Yes, you would.

We all know that the MPAA is as bad if not worse then the Nazi soilders who stomped in the skulls of infants to save bullets .

I find you comment increadably insesitive and condemn you as an anti-semite.

Re:HAHAHA dead Jews are funny.... ASSHOLE!!!!!!! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11641713)

And I find you to be an idiot. Court ajourned.

Re:What I want to know... (2, Funny)

mattkinabrewmindspri (538862) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641779)

I don't know, but I just downloaded the images off of that site.

There's all kinds of potential for funny copyright infringement there.

Sorry for this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11641608)

I for one welcome our new MPAA Overlords...

Death by Litigation (5, Insightful)

slusich (684826) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641609)

Regardless of the legality of the site, it is down now simply because they didn't have the money to fight a lawsuit. This is a dangerous trend which has been going on for far too long.

Re:Death by Litigation (5, Interesting)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641769)

They had raides $45,000, which the site owner said should be enough for almost two months legal defence. As it turns out, he gave the MPAA the site, the server logs and $5-10k and walked away with a PROFIT.

Re:Death by Litigation (3, Insightful)

SlayerofGods (682938) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641774)

Of course it's hard for the guilty to fight back... it's always been like that.

Re:Death by Litigation (2, Insightful)

gowen (141411) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641812)

it is down now simply because they didn't have the money to fight a lawsuit.
Bull. The EFF, and various other civil rights groups -- as well as pro bono lawyers -- have come to the aid of those people wrongfully accused. DVD Jon springs to mind. The difference is, DVD Jon actually had a case. No-one is helping Loki Torrent because everyone knows they did exactly what they're accused of, and if the MPAA choose to continue litigation not even Johnny Cochrane could prevent the Loki boys getting absolutely crucified at trial.

hax0red (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11641610)

if there was ever a web site that needed to be defaced...

Noooooooo (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11641614)

not mufftorrent too!

Fuckers (1)

yogikoudou (806237) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641615)

I was sure they were asking money before shutting down. People gave money, not to pay lawyers, to pay for their flight ticket in order to run away with bucks in the pockets.

Sloow (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11641616)

I wondered when this would show up.

fp?

Hmmm.. That's funny . . . (3, Insightful)

InsideTheAsylum (836659) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641619)

What are they going to do with all the money that was donated? I belive that someone was speculating that this is EXACTLY what was going to happen. 1) Do something illegal 2) Get sued 3) ....* 4) Profit! * Make a plea to the community and then run away anyways.

Re:Hmmm.. That's funny . . . (1)

mmkkbb (816035) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641762)

the guy still has to pay the settlement, so i imagine that's where the funds will go

Re:Hmmm.. That's funny . . . (1)

onewing (754420) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641802)

Theres that theory, and theres another that whos to say that he accually caved into to pressure, and wasnt offered, say $10,000 to turn the logs over and close the site. That kind of money is nothing to an organization like the MPAA, and probibly much quicker and effective that suing.

Plus there is no was we would ever know the different.

//end conspiracy rant

I can see the site being shut down (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11641624)

...by a court order or something, but how can the MPAA take it over and put their own blurb on it short of an actual court decision in their favor?

Re:I can see the site being shut down (1)

DaHat (247651) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641718)

LokiTorrent could have simply given up the domain name to the MPAA willingly (ie without a court order but still under pressure/threat of an extended lawsuit).

Boom! (1)

aacool (700143) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641626)

Pop go the Weasel(s)! Did they take the approval of the site owners to do what they did? or is 'ownz0ring' - will they get paid back in their own coin?

Public Trackers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11641627)

Only fools use public trackers anyway, there only full of leeches that don't upload anything

There's also other obvious reasons ;)

Why don't they provide links? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11641632)

Why don't they provide links to these supposed sites that provide legal downloads of movies? Seems like they're missing an easy opportunity here.

The MPAA have access to the Logs (1)

advocate_one (662832) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641633)

according to The Register [theregister.co.uk] , the MPAA have got court orders giving them access to all of LokiTorrent's server logs and records...

sure glad I never joined...

Re:The MPAA have access to the Logs (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641700)

"The operator of that site, Edward Webber, agreed to not only pay a substantial settlement with even greater financial penalties for any further such actions, but by Court Order must provide the MPAA with access to and copies of all logs and server data related to his illegal BitTorrent activities, which will provide a roadmap to others who have used LokiTorrent to engage in illegal activities," the MPAA said in a statement.

Why would the site owner keep these records? They should be sent directly to /dev/null. It's not only incriminating for HIM but for everyone that uses that site.

Didn't people learn anything from all those gangster movies?

"The only way not to get caught is to stop" (4, Interesting)

jolyonr (560227) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641641)

- quote from their site.

So does that mean if you have downloaded stuff, and you stop, they can't catch you? Does it imply an amnesty? Or is it just sloppy wording on their part?

Jolyon

Re:"The only way not to get caught is to fake it" (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11641792)


you really think that the MPAA put that page up ?

Scary Message (4, Funny)

bblazer (757395) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641642)

I just checked out the hijacked site and saw their warning. It claims that downloading copyrighted files leaves a trail and the only way not to get caught is to stop. I wonder if this is the same trail that led them to the 80 year old woman that didn't own a computer that they sued (repealing the suit only after she died). I heard as she died she exclaimed, "Run, run as fast as you can (MPAA) you can't catch me I am the gingerbread man!!!!"

Guess my company doesn't like the MPAA. (1)

Phosphor3k (542747) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641644)

This site is blocked by WebBlocker. It does not meet the standards set by the XXXX XX XXXXXXXXXXXX Internet Use Policy. If you have any questions please contact the IT Helpdesk at XXX-XXXX.

Re:Guess my company doesn't like the MPAA. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11641744)

they need to change that message to

This company does not trust its employees. You do not meet the standards set by the XXXX XX XXXXXXXXXXXX Management Policy. If you have any questions please contact your therapist at XXX-XXXX to see immediate attitude adjustment.

a little honesty goes a long way

Re:Guess my company doesn't like the MPAA. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11641838)

The phone number is all 9's? wow.. easy to remember I guess.

Whew... (1)

burdalane (798477) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641646)

Good thing I never signed up for lokitorrent.

Re:Whew... (5, Insightful)

ElGuapoGolf (600734) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641727)

That's good for you and all, but I think there's a larger point that needs to be made...

What, really, is the difference between downloading a TV show you missed of LokiTorrent and recording it with your VCR? I've done it a few times, I'm guilty. Did I really hurt anyone? My VCR skips commercials (mostly), so that can't be an argument. It's not like the stuff I'm downloading is even available for me to purchase (or in some cases, to even see again)... but I suppose to the MPAA, I'm still some sort of terrorist.

Ironic... (2, Insightful)

boris_the_hacker (125310) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641650)

... is it just me, or does anyone else find it ironic asking people who pirate films, music and other such downloads for money ?

Re:Ironic... (2, Interesting)

ceeam (39911) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641800)

... is it just me or does anyone else find it ironic that people that "fight against piracy" charge for a frigging CD/DVD the amount of money they do? Is it ironic that people that fight against zero-day warez release movies months later in Europe than US?

And the donated money will go... (4, Insightful)

rinkjustice (24156) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641655)

a) back to the people who donated
b) be channeled to a fund for tsunami victims in Asia
c) get LokiTorrent owner that bitchin new plasma tv at Futureshop

Re:And the donated money will go... (4, Insightful)

bmongar (230600) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641724)

d) be used to pay the settlement with the MPAA

Re:And the donated money will go... (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641745)

d) MPAA profit.

TheInquirer article (4, Interesting)

hoferbr (707935) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641657)

Something to worry about:

What's really alarming the swapperati, though, is that Lokitorrent has agreed to turn over the server's user logs.

In a normal situation, you could make the case that agreeing to turn those over is a violation of users' privacy. In this situation, even if you could show that the site's terms and conditions promised never to disclose its users' information, you would almost certainly lose: a court that has just shut down a site for illegal activity is hardly likely to agree to protect its users. Especially not since the Supreme Court decision in Illinois v. Cabbales, which held that sending a sniffer dog to find drugs through a car stopped for speeding does not violate the Fourth Amendment (the one that prohibits search and seizure without probable cause). Around now, the MPAA is probably gleefully poring over the logs, going through IP numbers, and compiling a list of the "hundreds of thousands" of individuals it might sue next. Fun!


From http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21216

Re:TheInquirer article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11641689)

So if one never went to this site, but torrented from other sites (say Suprnova), will one's IP address appear in these logs?

Re:TheInquirer article (1)

SlayerofGods (682938) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641820)

Yes. If you used their tracker then your in their logs.

Oh that explains.. (5, Funny)

StacyWebb (780561) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641658)

"The illegal downloading of motion pictures robs thousands of honest, hard-working people of their livelihood, and stifles creativity"
Well I guess that expains all the crappy movies coming out of Hollywood.

Time to switch to exeem? (1)

LegendOfLink (574790) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641663)

Since exeem claims to be completely decentralized, would this be the time to switch torrent sites over to there?

Re:Time to switch to exeem? (1)

chasingporsches (659844) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641813)

by people like you saying that, you've just helped MPAA's cause against exeem. good job. next time, why don't you make a billboard in downtown new york?

Good for all... (1)

BrettWilcox (858011) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641670)

I think it is a good thing that the site has shut down. The only problem that I have with them and suprnova.org shutting down is that it can make it very difficult to fing legal torrent files. That being said I thing it is good for all!

Hacked (1)

ReeprFlame (745959) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641673)

It looks to me like they got hacked. I don't think they would put up such a message. Even if they did, I guess the MPAA made them put up their generic "gay mesasge".

This is why you need to "network" (5, Insightful)

Dancin_Santa (265275) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641675)

They always tell you, when you are jumping into the job search fray, to Network, Network, Network. For the flip among us, it is taken to mean that one needs to get greasy and slimy and be generally fake with a bunch of people. These are typically network engineers, which is pretty ironic.

But the same holds true here. You need to be able to get onto networks that are private and trustworthy. The last thing anyone needs is to join a torrent network and have the RIAA or MPAA come in and seize personal hardware. You want to find the torrents that use GUIDs for URIs. You want to find the torrents that are so underground that only the people who are on it know of it. The way to do that is to Network Network Network.

Posting at Slashdot is one good way of Networking. Getting to know people, learning the habits of some posters, and generally being attentive and friendly and discrete is the way to become trustworthy yourself. Once you are seen as someone who can be trusted, you can then approach people about joining their underground torrents.

Not american. (5, Insightful)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641677)

Hold on, the MPAA can tell me what to do when I'm not even American?

I know what they are trying to do is proper, and cutting the supply off at the central source is tonnes better than the underhanded suing kids and grannies, but I'm not even American.

We need copyright to protect Linux and Open Source in general, but surely only where laws are in place?

side note, can American filesharers use proxies in remote countries to protect themselves from **AA lawsuits?

Oh, dear (1, Troll)

ceeam (39911) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641683)

If ever you need a definition of "pathetic" then this page fits 100%. 'nuff said.

two sities still standing (2)

fvdham (800916) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641685)


torrent reactor [torrentreactor.net]
pirate bay [thepiratebay.org]

Re:two sities still standing (1)

theVP (835556) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641829)

I wonder if they'll ever send piratebay another threat? I want to read something funny today.....

Re:two sities still standing (1)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641835)

More [hackz.nl]

And don't forget MiniNova, Myspleen, Torrentleech, and even more important: The ones we don't know about yet.

Resistance is Futile.. (1)

donharper (857802) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641688)

You will be assimilated. You will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile. What a load of fear mongering.

Repulsive... (5, Insightful)

LakeSolon (699033) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641690)

This website has been permanently shut down by court order because it facilitates the illegal downloading of copyrighted motion pictures. The illegal downloading of motion pictures robs thousands of honest, hard-working people of their livelihood, and stifles creativity. Illegally downloading movies from sites such as these without proper authorization violates the law, is theft, and is not anonymous. Stealing movies leaves a trail. The only way not to get caught is to stop.

Am I the only one who is absolutely repulsed by that message? A friend just said, after reading it, "wow... how come I feel that i was just glared at by the SS?". This kind of brainwashing is the same bullshit that got Bush re-elected. Our society requires an informed populace to function properly. All the powers that be are manipulating public perception to suite their own needs and it really, really, needs to stop.

~Lake

Re:Repulsive... (1)

LakeSolon (699033) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641772)

ergh, "suit their own needs". I guess that's what you get when you rant.

~Lake

Re:Repulsive... (1, Informative)

mmkkbb (816035) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641855)

"wow... how come I feel that i was just glared at by the SS?"

cause he's a paranoid dork who needs to grow up and experience real life?

Cashed in. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11641691)

I bet they keep all the money that they got donated for their "legal defense fund". They knew they were going down and figured they would make as much cash before doing so.

That notice... (1)

CdXiminez (807199) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641696)

Looking at that 'MPAA NOTICE', I see lies, unfounded claims, threats and in general, bullying. Is that legal?

Re:That notice... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11641834)

Probably not, but since nobody can really do anything about it it is.

http://breaker1.no-ip.com/loki/index.html is a far funnier message though.

Re:That notice... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11641844)

No. However, in the US no-one can afford to do anything about it. In case you didn't notice, the owner of LokiTorrent had to cave in before they even went to court because he couldn't afford the fees.

Trite but trite (5, Funny)

L. VeGas (580015) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641701)

"You can click, but you can't hide"?

This is a wonderful illustration of the creative genius of the entertainment industry. I have a few more suggestions along the same lines.

"Guys don't make passes at girls who click torrents."

"You can lead a horse to water, but you better not click that torrent!"

"Click on a torrent, break your mama's back."

"What would Jesus Do? Not click on torrents, you betcha!"

"I wouldn't click on a torrent if it were the last torrent on earth."

Re:Trite but trite (1)

strelitsa (724743) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641832)

"Every time you click on a torrent, God kills a kitten.

Please ... think of the kittens."

Just rent the DVD and rip it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11641702)

Then sneaker net copies to all your friends. Let's see them shut that down.

Here's what I find interesting (1)

kilodelta (843627) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641709)

That law enforcement has a hard time crossing jurisdictional boundaries yet corporations do not. The premise of Robo Cop isn't far off.

Comin' a rain... (4, Insightful)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641717)

But of course they can hide, as MPAA actions force torrent swarms to decentralize and truly anonymize. To the MPAA: you can sue, but you can't catch!

Fear policy (1)

bruno loff barreto (858293) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641720)

It's an interesting attempt at scaring people into not using file sharing applications. It's pretty pointless, though, when you look at what technologies like freenet allow you to do. I yearn and fear for the day when what I choose to do when online will be as anonymous as my thoughts. It will be a whole new world of possibilities, some good, some bad.

Before we over react (4, Insightful)

gowen (141411) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641721)

This website has been permanently shut down by court order because it facilitates the illegal downloading of copyrighted motion pictures.
Let's face it. Every single word of that is true. Loki didn't quit because they ran out of money, they quit because they were going to lose, and they knew it.

They knew copyrighted material was being downloaded illegally, and they were more than happy to help facilitate that -- hell, that was pretty much the raison d'etre of their site.

Google News (2, Insightful)

MrDoh! (71235) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641722)

Nice, lots of sites carrying the news and a link to Google news with the title put in. For a news sites, isn't it a bit too easy to just do this? I read /. to have a bit more of an insight into whats going on, and having links to actual sites carrying the news isn't expecting too much I think. If I wanted to see EVERYTHING related to the news, I'd be quiet capable of doing the search myself. What next, every news item with a link to GNews for more info? If that continues too much, I may as well set my home-page to;
http://news.google.com/news?q=news%20for%20ne rds
myself and never have to worry abour checking /.
. Bit too lazy guys, at least do a teeny weeny bit of effort, eh?

Loki HERE (1)

DroopyStonx (683090) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641723)

You got one brown eye closed tight.

Perfect Opportunity (2, Funny)

loteck (533317) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641731)

Since so many media outlets are covering this, now would be the perfect time for some ambitious person to change the lokitorrent.com website to display this image [pipex.com] and with this quote:

"The more you tighten you grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."

A wonder.. (2, Interesting)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641733)

.. that no one submitted this earlier.

LokiTorrent, down for the count?
Rejected
LokiTorrent owned by the MPAA?
Rejected
LokiTorrent... Gone for real?
Rejected


Each one having links to the Netcraft and Register stories. And some even asking what the site owner did with the $45,000 raised for his defence.

But, you know, I'm not bitter about not getting accepted.

Is there a list of movies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11641737)

...whose copyright holders belong to the MPAA? I assume that most (if not all) those produced in the U.S. would be, but I'm not certain about those produced overseas, orif I should worry about something that is subbed that (AFAIK) isn't available in the U.S.

Sealand is the answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11641747)

http://www.havenco.com/legal/aup.html

They have no laws against copyright infringment, the MPAA couldn't touch them. Set up trackers and a web server and you're set. Just need enough in donations to cover the (likely) high costs.

WHAAA? (1)

alan_dershowitz (586542) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641748)

Who in their freaking right mind perceives the movie industry as "honest"???

I just got done reading "Fatal Subtraction" by Art Buchwald, about how he came up with the idea for the movie "Coming to America", and how it got stolen and made millions without any recognition to him. He sued to get paid. Paramount fought for months, and finally Buchwald won the right to a percentage of the profits.

After he won, Paramount argued this major hit movie had NO profits! They cook the books so that the studio ALWAYS gets back its investment, the top stars ALWAYS get paid, and everyone else gets whatever is left, which usually ends up being comparatively nothing.

Luckily Buchwald came out on top, but these people are crooks, and have been for decades.

how will they know (3, Interesting)

54v4g3 (756080) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641752)

Sure I may have signed up for lokitorrent, but what if I never downloaded any movies. How are they going to know who to sue? Are the logs really that verbose?

the one with the most lawyers win... (1)

elucubra (685819) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641759)

As usual, the ones with the most money and lawyers win.
It is not always the case, but it is so common, that in cases the little guy wins...
They make a movie about it!
( and in this case, the MPAA would get a piece too!)

Shit! where did I put that sig again!

legal wheel keeps on turning (4, Insightful)

spyrochaete (707033) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641788)

Does it really help a torrent or ED2k site if you send money to help with legal fees? I would think this would only complicate the defense - having to prove that the money was only used for the benefit of the website.

It looks like the P2P world is going to go through a bit of a shuffle until it can find the "sweet spot" country that will not prosecute, just like what happened with online bookies and casinos.

This story is getting pretty tired. Pirates figure out a smart way to distribute media, old fashioned companies too lazy to change their business model start suing the pants off of everybody, nothing changes in the long run, and in the end the company adopts the new methodologies or dies.

How many times must history repeat itself before companies learn to listen to their consumers? They know what they want better than any marketing department.

Oh yeah, and screw the proprietor of Lokitorrent for being a spineless jellyfish. He did a real disservice to his visitors by ratting them out. There needs to be a P2P code of conduct with a corresponding logo on list sites to tell users that their privacy will be protected if the site comes under legal fire.

Fortunately... (2, Informative)

TheSurfer (560640) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641811)

...other sites are continuing, like mininova [mininova.org] and The Pirate Bay [thepiratebay.org] :)

Ingenious (1)

RyoShin (610051) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641815)

After asking for donations from users for the past couple of months to fight the MPAA's lawsuit.

Step 1: Ask people doing illegal things for money to keep site that supports illegal activity alive.
Step 2: Post on how great the money swindl- er, earning is going, and how you're going to fight back that bastard, Corporate America.
Step 3: Give in to the MPAA, and make off with $30K or so of donations.
Step 4: Profit!

Seems logical, (1)

BigDawgES (821410) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641817)

The only way not to get caught is to stop.

if (stop)
then (!caught)

Therefore,
if (!stop)
then (caught)

Well, that settles it! I'm stopping.

Please excuse the languageless code.

click and hide (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11641824)

Pirates Bay should put a big fat banner at the top of their page: "You can litigate, but you can't win."

Only in the USA (5, Informative)

lipi (142489) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641831)

From the site:"Illegally downloading movies from sites such as these without proper authorization violates the law, is theft, and is not anonymous. Stealing movies leaves a trail. The only way not to get caught is to stop."

I'm tired reading this sort of stuff again and again. They always forget to mention that it is illegal only in the USA. For example it is perfectly legal to download music or video for personal use in the EU, even with file sharing application where you make it avaliable for 3rd party temporarily. I found even those living in the EU are not aware of this situation, probably due to the continuous MPAA/RIAA threathenings.

Distributing copyrighted content is a different issue even in the EU, but I'm not familiar with the legal side of that. All I know my movie downloads fall in the "fair use" category according to the current EU copyright law.

Library analogy (5, Insightful)

IgD (232964) | more than 9 years ago | (#11641836)

This is really troubling. What ever happened to the first amendment? LokiTorrent didn't host any of the illegal contact. How is this different from...?
- Hosting a list of banned books
- A library that contains books on how to pick locks

It seems like the courts often times are fast food restaurants for big corporations. I thought the courts were supposed to be object and ensure the rights of the little guy weren't trampled on??

The real troubling thing is now from new stories the movie mafia wants to "review log files" and go after people who viewed the site. That's rediculous.

Another aspect of this is hiring 3rd party companies to collect evidence. For example all these P2P so called monitoring services. Of course they are going to find evidence in favor of the movie mafia since that is what they are being paid to do. Can you imagine Microsoft doing an objective Linux story and revealing that Linux is in fact better? The government needs to collect the evidence and everything else needs to be thrown out.
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