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Xbox 2 to Release in Fall of This Year

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the that-was-quick dept.

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GamesIndustry.biz has the news that the Xbox 2 will be launched sometime in late fall of this year. With EA games already working on Xbox 2 titles and rumors of a name for the console in circulation, it looks like the first of the next-gen consoles will be here soon. From the article: "Many have expressed concern that Microsoft is forcing the next generation of console hardware too early, and that the current generation still has much to achieve. The most famous example of this came from then Nintendo of Europe MD David Gosen speaking at an ELSPA summit in London last October, where he lambasted Microsoft for pushing a next generation machine to market in 2005, and even went so far as to question Microsoft's motivation as profit." Additionally, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer has Balmer saying that they will "blow by Sony" with their next console.

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According to "sources". (1, Insightful)

mcc (14761) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669483)

"Sources".

Right.

Whatever you say.

Um, duh? (4, Insightful)

VE3ECM (818278) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669492)

"...and even went so far as to question Microsoft's motivation as profit.

Uh, hello? What other motivation does a for-profit business ultimately have?

Stupidest. Comment. Ever.

Re:Um, duh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669505)

Raising the stock price, which is not the same as profit. Or control.

Re:Um, duh? (1)

VE3ECM (818278) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669530)

And what's the best way to raise the stock price?

Yep, you guessed it: Profit!

Re:Um, duh? (4, Funny)

oGMo (379) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669527)

Additionally, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer has Balmer saying that they will "blow by Sony" with their next console.

Gotta love Microsoft. Looks like they're really pushing for success with this one by following in the footsteps of Sega.

Go Xboxcast.

Re:Um, duh? (5, Insightful)

Rico_Suave (147634) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669572)

Except Microsoft has far more money than Sega. Sony won't be able to bury them with "Emotion Engine 65 bazillion polygon" bullshit marketing they way they did with Sega.

Re:Um, duh? (4, Interesting)

ZephyrXero (750822) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669715)

I still to this day find Dreamcast's hardware to be superior to the PS2.

Re:Um, duh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669541)

I believe he was questioning weather profit was the motivation at all.
In other words that there was actually another motivation.

Re:Um, duh? (5, Insightful)

SteveX (5640) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669545)

I think the quote (although badly written) was saying that Nintendo was speculating that their motivation might be something other than profit.

Although whatever their motivation (beating the other guys to market, driving the competition out of business, etc), it ultimately comes down to profit.

Re:Um, duh? (5, Informative)

MasterOfUniverse (812371) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669592)

I think what he meant is that thier motivation by releasing xbox 2 early might not be profit, but to get more marketshare at loss. Kinda like how they are doing with xbox1. Ofcourse thier long term goal is profit, but he is talking about short term goal of starting the next gen so early.

Re:Um, duh? (5, Insightful)

Detritus (11846) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669612)

Power and control. Microsoft has shown that it is willing to give up short-term profits in order to dominate a market. They only start turning the screws after the competition has been destroyed.

Re:Um, duh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669756)

Like they did the with the XBox? Hah! I remember reading all the magazines predicting XBox was going to win the last round of console wars. They had this, and they had that, and blah blah blah.

I've got a name for their new console --- suX0r b0x2.

Re:Um, duh? (1)

numbsafari (139135) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669633)

Couldn't have said it any better...

Re:Um, duh? (1)

atcg (818019) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669640)

Pushing Nintendo out of the market, hurting Sony at a loss, which I guess would be profit motivated in the long run. Console owners may provide a backlash, since they are more used to a 5 year console cycle.

Dreamcast (4, Interesting)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669493)

Remeber when Sega thought it would be a good idea to get a head start on the next-gen console race?

Wanna bet that Sony will once again win with their incredible "wait until we have a good machine" plan?

Re:Dreamcast (3, Funny)

ChuckSchwab (813568) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669589)

The Xbox 2 is going to be a good system though. Microsoft is going to implement some of their new technology in it, just like they did when they came out with the original Xbox. Keep in mind, these are the guys that came out with the whole .NET framework and created the world's most-used operating system. I see nothing but good things ahead.

Re:Dreamcast (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669623)

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic with the whole .NET and Windows thing, but Dreamcast was/is a great system. How you can say Xbox 2 will be a good system though I don't know, it's not even out yet, and if EA are working on launch titles then that's hardly a resounding recommendation for me to buy it.

Re:Dreamcast (4, Insightful)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669732)

The Xbox 2 is going to be a good system though.

The Dreamcast wasn't a bad system. But Sony then released a better system: backwards compatible, better controllers, plays DVDs, etc.

  1. Wait and see what the competition releases.
  2. One-up them.
  3. Profit!

Microsoft attempted that strategy the first time around, but focused on system stats as their definition of "better". Their original controller was a nightmare (and how long did they deny it? Now it's a collector's item, despite their repeated claims that it was perfect), you had to pay extra to unlock the built-in features (Sony did that too, but quickly realised the error of their ways, and by the time of the north american launch, DVD playing was standard out of the box).

Of the current gen, none are utter crap. The Xbox does have slightly better graphics, if you're looking real close, and the Cube has a bunch of lil' gems of games. But since they're in a pissing contest, I think Sony's strategy will get them ahead again.

On the whole, aside from the backroom exclusivity deals, the console wars are good for us gamers, they're trying damn hard to get the best hardware they can, and so devellopers get a good base on which to devellop (hopefully) good games.

Re:Dreamcast (1)

Surye (580125) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669613)

I'm still bitter about this, and refuse to buy any sony gaming product.

Re:Dreamcast (1)

clausiam (609879) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669729)

Huh - you're bitter about the Sega Dreamcast and refuse to buy and Sony gaming product. I'm not following your logic here...

Re:Dreamcast (4, Interesting)

grazzy (56382) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669628)

With some diffrences. MS has billions of money to dump into development of games, they can easily use their resources to fund a couple of years loss on the console - which Sega couldn't.

When the PS3 arrives 1 year later, the Xbox 2 will be (much?) cheaper, have a nice line of games, a larger base of players etc. Sure, the PS3 will have slightly better specs, but what will you pick when you're presented with the choice between a 699 machine and a 349 machine? Where everything else (eventually) points to the 349-machine..

Re:Dreamcast (4, Interesting)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669736)

I have never seen a $350+ machine make it in this market.

I don't care how good Sony is, $700 price tag for a machine is suicide... Neo Geo anyone? I don't think your scenario is going to be the case...

Your scenario also presumes that XBox 2 is going to have a nice line of games... In order for that to work, M$ needs to squeeze Halo 3 and Halo 4 out of Bungie within a year in order to see any success.

Sorry, but when a single title causes your system to significantly increase profits, it really makes me wonder what the system is really being propped up on. Knock Halo out of the equation and honestly, what is XBox left with?

Re:Dreamcast (1)

grazzy (56382) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669784)

Figures were ofcourse a bit exaggregated. But you get the idea, the Xbox2 will be cheaper than the PS3, I'm quite confident microsoft will make sure of that.

And as for titles, theres PLENTY of good titles for the Xbox. Sure, Halo 1/2 is good but its just not the single great title on the Xbox.

Re:Dreamcast (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669637)

Yeah, Nintendo really kicked Sony's ass with the Gamecube . . .

Re:Dreamcast (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669660)

Well... The PS2 is starting to show its age, but its still not dead yet, with companies still putting titles on the market for it. Gamecube hasn't even hit a ripe age yet. Let's all remember that the reason M$ is really putting a new console out is to sweep under the rug the original Xbox's poor performance in the areana. In all honesty, Sony can wait a while to get the PS3 out. Which it looks like they're planning on doing. Nintendo hasn't said anything, but I'm going to guess they'll wait a little longer as well. Anyone care to remind Redmond of the Tortoise vs. the Hare story?

first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669496)

hsahahahahaha

Microsoft's motive is... PROFIT? (1)

JessLeah (625838) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669500)

Shock! Horror! ;)

Re:Microsoft's motive is... PROFIT? (1)

macaulay805 (823467) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669755)

Well, you'd think the contrary on the first generation XBox!

Profit (1, Insightful)

qwerty55 (858835) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669501)

"and even went so far as to question Microsoft's motivation as profit." Isn't that the motivation of almost all business.

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669502)

fp

but (0, Offtopic)

TedCheshireAcad (311748) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669507)

BUT does it run LINUX?

oh, wait...

Joke... too... easy... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669509)

Microsoft blow? That's nothing new.

XBox 2 specs? (2, Interesting)

BobWeiner (83404) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669514)

Anyone know what the specs are on the upcoming XBox 2? Any truth to the rumor that it will employ G5 processors?

PowerPC 970MX (5, Informative)

Seoulstriker (748895) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669565)

Derivatives of the PowerPC 970 are being used in the Xbox Next and Project Revolution, Nintendo's successor to the GameCube. A sister processor will also be in Sony's PlayStation 3 system. IBM is currently developing the 970MP, which is due out in the 3rd quarter of 2005, and is code-named "Antares". The PowerPC 970MP is said to be a dual-core processor that can scale up to 3.5GHz. This chip should start at 90nm and then graduate to the 65nm process.

Re:PowerPC 970MX (4, Insightful)

alatesystems (51331) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669783)

However, the Nintendo Revolution will not have DirectX, unless something has changed that I didn't know about. The X in Xbox came from DirectX, the abstraction language that almost all windows game programmers use(with the exception of games from id that use OpenGL).

The whole point behind the xbox was for it to be a "console for the developers". It lets people who are used to writing PC games, which includes most studios, to begin writing games immediately for a new console with a minimal learning curve.

From what I understand, the PS2 is INSANELY hard to write software for, and I imagine the gamecube and the forthcoming revolution are/will be the same.

Microsoft really has done a good thing for once by making a device that just plays games and basing it off of a common abstraction layer.

With all that said, if it isn't compatible with my current games, I'm definitely going to hold off buying it until I see what the cell processor infrastructure has to offer. Why buy a console that can't play all my games until I can compare the Xbox Next, the PS3, and the Nintendo Revolution.

Blow by Sony? Hahaha (3, Informative)

Xoknit (181837) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669519)

The PS3, according to official statements, will have as much PPC cores as the XBox2.. But will also have 32 SIMD cores.

Come on Steve who are you kidding. Even a monkey can see that you will be pwned.

Re:Blow by Sony? Hahaha (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669626)

Can post a link to these "official statenements". Sony hasn't officially disclosed details about PS3.

BTW. Real World Technologies has some estimates [realworldtech.com] for the power consumption of Cell:

"The power consumption characteristics of the processor were not disclosed by IBM. However, estimates in the range of 50 to 80 Watts @ 4 GHz and 1.1 V were given."

Changes of PS3 having four 8 SPE Cells are zero (unless Sony will ship canister of liquid nitrogen with it).

Re:Blow by Sony? Hahaha (0, Flamebait)

Drako2 (99503) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669639)

I think as a good rule of thumb it's useful to disregard everything Steve Ballmer says. Everyone knows he's a MS pumpet and nothing more.

Re:Blow by Sony? Hahaha (1)

BagOBones (574735) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669650)

Might not mater if Sony is slow to release an API and good devloper tools for the hardware. Or crippled the system with low amounts of ram.

Notice how much better Xbox games looked than the currnet PS2 games? Ever read how frustrated the devlopers of the top PS2 games where that they had to jump through hoops to make use of the PS2 hardware?

Re:Blow by Sony? Hahaha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669698)

Ever read how frustrated the devlopers of the top PS2 games where that they had to jump through hoops to make use of the PS2 hardware?

Yes, and so has Sony. They're putting a lot of effort into making sure humans can program the thing this time around.

Re:Blow by Sony? Hahaha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669677)

Are u kidding? The goal of Microsoft is not to outperform PS3 but to outsell it .

Even went so far? (-1, Redundant)

truesaer (135079) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669521)

Even went so far as to question their motive as profit? Does this moron not understand the concept of a business? OF COURSE their motive is profit!

Re:Even went so far? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669583)

Of course he doesn't understand profit, he works for Nintendo.

Profit?!? (1, Funny)

BigDawgES (821410) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669526)

even went so far as to question Microsoft's motivation as profit.

A corporation? Motivated by profit? All this time I thought companies were supposed to act solely for the greater good of humanity!

Re:Profit?!? (4, Insightful)

byrd77 (171150) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669665)

Missing the point; Nintendo is saying that MS may be doing something detrimental to short term profit (selling next-gen hardware early, thus reducing returns on current-gen investments) in order to take market share from competitors, thereby (hopefully) improving long term profit potential. Nintendo is notorious for eeking out every last bit of return from products before moving to the next generation (think gameboy), so it's understandable why this may irk them.

Profit? Of course! (0, Redundant)

ERJ (600451) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669531)

and even went so far as to question Microsoft's motivation as profit.

Of course their motivation is profit. It might not be immediate profit but long term squeezing out competition is Microsoft's way of making profit.

I guess I see the guys point but I am pretty sure that profit is the long term goal of Microsoft with the XBox.

Re:Profit? Of course! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669760)

Maybe the concern is Microsoft's focus on short term profit instead of long term industry viability, but it still sounds like whining.

What's next? (4, Funny)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669532)

Okay so far:

Halo 2 released
Doom 3 released
Red Sox win World Series
Hurd reaches milestone
Now, Xbox2 releasing in November

Has global warming started to cool down hell already?

Re:What's next? (4, Funny)

laresek (758105) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669587)

Never fear, Duke Nukem Forever is still not out.

Hell has a long time yet to completely freeze over!

Global Warming? (1)

emo boy (586277) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669621)

Doesn't global warming...warm stuff? Cool down hell? Is the water draining off the icebergs seeping into hell or did i miss something?? :)

DNF for Xbox2 rumored for December (1)

MexicanMenace (673792) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669735)

. . . not really, but I figured I'd get that one out of the way. :D

Longhorn (2)

tommyth (848039) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669551)

Yup, just like Longhorn was going to be released on schedule.

A company doing business for profit? How dare they (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669553)

"The most famous example of this came from then Nintendo of Europe MD David Gosen speaking at an ELSPA summit in London last October, where he lambasted Microsoft for pushing a next generation machine to market in 2005, and even went so far as to question Microsoft's motivation as profit."

Can anyone name a single company on the face of the planet that isn't motivated explicitly by profit?

And Nintendo isn't making video games for profit? Could have fooled me when they were charging 70 bucks a cartidge monopolizing the industry in the 80s.

More power to them. (1, Interesting)

cybrthng (22291) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669563)

If there is one place where Microsoft has actually achivieved "Innovation" it *IS* on the xbox and services surrounding it.

I for one am excited to see the potential, excited for the competition and look forward to the "big 3" duking it out.

I also think its funny how people bash Microsoft for being anti competitive in the PC world and then bash them for being HIGHLY competitive in the Console world.

Competitiveness (5, Insightful)

Infonaut (96956) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669649)

I also think its funny how people bash Microsoft for being anti competitive in the PC world and then bash them for being HIGHLY competitive in the Console world.

The thing that bothers me is that Microsoft's anticompetitive behavior in the PC world directly affects their ability to be so competitive in the console world. Microsoft makes use of monopoly rents to subsidize the losses they accrue with the XBox.

It's a lot easier to spread into new markets when you can siphon profits from a monopoly you hold in another market.

Re:Competitiveness (2, Insightful)

1000101 (584896) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669787)


Microsoft just reported their first quarterly profit [gamespot.com] from their Home and Entertainment unit. They lost money on the XBox in the beginning, but they knew all along that the long term would be profitable. The 'monopoly subsidizes the XBox' argument is now void.

Re:More power to them. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669683)

They're highly competitive only while there is still competition. Then after they win, they sit back on their laurels and enjoy their monopolies.

Re:More power to them. (4, Insightful)

j-turkey (187775) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669726)

I also think its funny how people bash Microsoft for being anti competitive in the PC world and then bash them for being HIGHLY competitive in the Console world.

Dude, this is Slashdot. If there was an article about Bill Gates wiping his nose, he'd be criticised here.

Trying to rationally discuss anything relating to Microsoft on Slashdot is an excercise in futility.

Re:More power to them. (2, Insightful)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669727)

The x-box is not innovative as far as gaming consoles. It's basically a small form factor PC (large when compared to things like Mac Mini), that only plays video games. I think that the gamecube is much more innovating as they were able to produce a very good gaming console without making it too big, as well as giving it fast load times. X-Box didn't really bring anything new to the console market. They may have the most advanced system out there, but then again, they were the last to market.

Re:More power to them. (2, Insightful)

SlashSnot (647926) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669772)

They are being HIGHLY competitive by: Buying up the game companies and sucking them dry. Releasing hardware and taking a loss for years to gain market share (and take share from others). Releasing platforms early to beat others to market. Some would "bash" them for being "HIGHLY" competitive so that they may later achieve their legendary status as "anti competitive" in this market segment later. I own an XBox. I also own Windows versions, and I sometimes do wonder what price I am paying for doing so.

Adblock satisfaction... (0, Offtopic)

hedgehog2097 (688249) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669566)

Thanks for that Zonk... The first GamesIndustry.biz link kept me happy with Adblock for a good few minutes.

I'd dread to think what it looks like in IE.

Not too Early? (1, Interesting)

KrackHouse (628313) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669570)

If the rumors are true and we've reached the point of diminishing returns as far as better graphics are concerned then maybe MS is making a smart move here. Xbox 2 graphics are going to be fast enough to support High-def resolutions (1920x1080 & 1280X720) so it should be fairly future proof.

At this point, if the PS3 is late and/or the Cell chip is hard to write fast code for then the MS early mover advantage could be really bad news for Sony. Of course I think Open Source games will be the killer app(s) that spark the beginnig of a PC gaming reniassance and legal nightmare but that's going to take a couple more years.

rumors of a name for the console... how about.. (3, Insightful)

eggoeater (704775) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669571)

YBox

Re:rumors of a name for the console... how about.. (1)

jo42 (227475) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669653)


I've trademaked ZBox(C)(R)(TM)!

Re:rumors of a name for the console... how about.. (1)

alatesystems (51331) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669680)

It's been done. [g4techtv.com]

Forcing the market, I think not (3, Insightful)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669574)

Well... The PS2 is starting to show its age, but its still not dead yet, with companies still putting titles on the market for it.

Gamecube hasn't even hit a ripe age yet.

Let's all remember that the reason M$ is really putting a new console out is to sweep under the rug the original Xbox's poor performance in the areana.

In all honesty, Sony can wait a while to get the PS3 out. Which it looks like they're planning on doing.

Nintendo hasn't said anything, but I'm going to guess they'll wait a little longer as well.

Anyone care to remind Redmond of the Tortoise vs. the Hare story?

Poor performance? I think not. (1)

cybrthng (22291) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669702)

Xbox exceeded in many ways where many others have failed.

Show me this "poor performance" you speak of and then maybe i'll listen to you.

Re:Forcing the market, I think not (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669728)

aka the sega vs the sony story?

Re:Forcing the market, I think not (1)

AviLazar (741826) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669777)

Poor what? The only reason I have a ps2 over an xbox is because I am an FF junkie (though FF x-2 blows chunks). XBOX is nothing to sneeze at - it is a great system.

Bungee (1)

pploco (694950) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669580)

Wonder if bungee will have anything new to add to the XB2 launch. Halo2 sure ended funny.

PPC games optimization (1, Interesting)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669585)

So it looks like Macintosh is going to be the premier game computer in the future. LAready we are seeing that when games are optimized for ppc they beat the best intel boxes. The problem is not paltform performance but optimzation of ppc and availability of the games in ppc format.

xbox is going to solve both of those. Of course they will still need grpahics card optimization and that will be different on Xbox and Macintosh. But clearly the largest obstacles to mac dominance of the gaming world are being removed. Price of course is not an issue here since a top gaming machine will cost more than an equivalent macintoshes--macs are good values at the high end of the market.

Re:PPC games optimization (1)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669671)

here's a link [barefeats.com] to a site reviewing mac verus PC perfomrance on the latest machines. They find that on games optimized for PPC the PPC is better but without optimization the PPC is about half as fast as the best Athalon system available.

http://www.barefeats.com/mac2pc.html

Meanwhile, back in reality (1)

Mike Hawk (687615) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669724)

But clearly the largest obstacles to mac dominance of the gaming world are being removed.

There's still that little problem of noone owning a mac. But whatever, the xbox dev kits have some similarity to the ppc so lets consider PC gaming over.

Re:PPC games optimization (1)

BlueCodeWarrior (638065) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669738)

Now, I may be wrong on this too...

...but there's a whole lot more to a Mac than the processor. Yes, they're using an offshoot of the G5 for a processor, but what about the other hardware? I'd imagine console games are highly optimized for the video card and such...so I doubt this means 'omg n0 wr0k and g4m35 4 M4C!!!1'...

As much as I'd like to welcome our new gaming overlords, I don't see it as happening...

Here's hoping I'm wrong.

Re:PPC games optimization (1)

XaXXon (202882) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669767)

I can't see processor optimization meaning much for video games. Modern video games are (at all but the lowest resolutions) GPU limited. Optimization for video cards has much more affect on game performance than CPU optimization.

Maybe as AI and physics become more demanding CPU capability will become more important, but if history has anything to show, CPU performance increases will greatly outpace game's use of it.

I think the reason there are no games for Mac is that there's very little market for them.

NOTE: I have a PowerBook G4, so you can't call me a PC zealot. It's no game machine, but that's fine. I wouldn't buy a game for it even if it was.

Innovating (1)

adam31 (817930) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669588)

Ballmer quote:
"The graphics, what it can do, the way things look, huge innovation... What is 'Halo 2?' It's the greatest video game ever written."

"...And furthermore, we fully expect Halo 3 to be the most innovative game ever written!"

So... (0, Redundant)

aprilsound (412645) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669598)

  1. Release next-gen console ahead of competitors.
  2. ????
  3. Profit!
But seriously,
David Gosen ... lambasted Microsoft for pushing a next generation machine to market in 2005, and even went so far as to question Microsoft's motivation as profit.
Of course it's profit! Is Nintendo not in business to make money? I know some programmers will work for 'shrooms, but honestly...

Re:So... (0, Redundant)

Psykus (827143) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669662)

"# Release next-gen console ahead of competitors.
# ????
# Profit!"

Yup, that strategy worked wonders for Sega....(Dreamcast)

Ballmer bullshit (3, Insightful)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669604)

Why do people buy one game console over another? As we say around here, 'Duh, it's the games.' ... Partly they're great games because they have great graphics, they have great processing, they have great this, they've got great that, but it's about getting great games. [...] What is 'Halo 2?' It's the greatest video game ever written.

I'm sorry, no.
Graphics are nice, but gameplay is what counts. And Halo 2 is just another multiplayer FPS.

I still replay Super Metroid and Castlevania: Symphoy of the Night about once a year, and every few months I get an urge to replay Rez intensly for a couple of weeks.
The graphics were an important part of the initial experience, but they are just eye candy, and they get old fast. Why would I still play old games when the new ones have the better graphics? Gameplay? That's right.

Re:Ballmer bullshit (1)

Yevda (859322) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669676)

The graphics were an important part of the initial experience, but they are just eye candy, and they get old fast. Why would I still play old games when the new ones have the better graphics? Gameplay? That's right.

I am in total agreeance.. I mean, why did I play Everquest for so many years with less than par graphics and Everquest 2 for only a couple weeks?.... There were many factors, addiction, lack of a life, etc.. But gameplay was definately there.

Re:Ballmer bullshit (1)

MSFanBoi (695480) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669689)

And every night there are tens of thousands of people playing Halo2 online... Halo2 may be just another multiplayer FPS, but it happens to be the current best multiplayer FPS on any console, by a HUGE margin.

They need games for it (1)

CrazyJim1 (809850) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669606)

I just bought an Xbox last week because of Halo2. If you don't make good games for your console, people won't buy it.

All I wanna know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669617)

Can I boot Dyne:Bolic [dynebolic.org] off it?

in other news (1)

kevinx (790831) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669627)

The phantom was released last week. Unfortunately you probably didn't see it on the shelves because it comes in an invisible box.

I hope they work the bugs out this time (4, Insightful)

Joshua53077 (849570) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669634)

When the original Xbox came out, I rushed out to buy it. Unfortunatley, my console had a lot of quality control problems including scratching my games and then refusing to play them. I had heard a number of reports of similar problems but when I called tech support, they would not admit that there were design defects or manufacturing defects. They did fix it but it was an annoying ordeal that I should not have gone through (I was without the console for quite some time). Hopefully this time, they have all the bugs worked out.

This is completely backwards (3, Insightful)

deft (253558) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669643)

Who here cares if the last thing can still be used? We yearn for the next graphics card when we know damn well the last one we had will probably be just fine... because we love the cutting edge stuff. Thats part of being a tech geek.

So now someone wants to put out something better, and we're all supposed to say no! Too early.... let me play with this one longer?

Bah, those who want to play with PS2 and XBox can do so, but I'm going to take a bet that if this is that much better, people will buy it...if not, it will die.

But retraining new tech for the sake of keeping old tech around? Thats counter-slashdot... and the same argument applies if it was Sony or Microsoft, although I'd also sneak a side bet in that if it was Sony, it would be a good thing... but its Microsoft, and people love to hate them.

yes, for profit (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669657)

Unbelievable. What a concept. Release worldwide, for, no-way-oh-my-god Profit. Whoa, the sky is blue.

I can't help but wonder if the folks writing this article have a reality check on the motivations behind the release of anything. Folks, here's a cluestick: Consumer products are made for profit. It drives everything. It drives Microsoft, a for-profit, public company in the form of revenue. It drives the game developers, also corporations. It drives the programmer working at EA developing new software, in the form of his/her wages. No kidding, and I hope you weren't surprised.

When the communist-leaning self-absorbed slashdot geek types will realize profit is the core of the current world, and not some neo-hippie desire to revolutionize humanity with technology, that is when Microsoft will have a worthy challenger in the workstation OS arena. They already have one in the console space--Sony--who are very much also profit oriented.

Other hot news at 11...Politician Lies! Slashdot has the scoop...

PPC? (1)

swimmar132 (302744) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669668)

Did previous consoles use a PPC architecture? Why are the XB2 and PS3 using them?

The Bigger Concern (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669669)

I don't really care when the new platform comes out. The bigger concern for me is if XBOX2 will be backwards compatible. I would have no problem spending the $ if I could play all my old games on it.

Otherwise why would I want to buy one. There are still tons of great XBOX games I want to play and I don't really care to throw out the ones I have. This seems critical to a successful early launch and the long term success. I think the playstation hit the nail on the head when they released their 2nd generation.

How long before (1)

KingBahamut (615285) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669672)

The modding instructions come out, so that I can "upgrade" my token Mandrake box?

Next generation too early (1)

PhotoBoy (684898) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669686)

It's understandable for MS to want to transition to a new console quickly, with the success of Halo 2 and the Xbox currently having quite a "cool" image it's probably the best time to do it. And at the same time they can get rid of the costly hardware they make a loss on and the piracy issue. Still at least removing the hard drive that makes it harder for Tecmo to start suing its fans for enjoying modding their games...

I think Nintendo especially have a lot to offer on the GameCube this year, with RE4, Zelda, DK Jungle Beat, Star Fox etc.

PPC? (1)

Surye (580125) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669711)

A bit off topic... but PPC? I keep hearing they'll be using a PPC arch. Correct me if I'm wrong, but 1) Microsoft is not experienced with the PPC arch (okay, MS Works for Mac does not count, nor IE, I mean on the whole), nor is the majority of the gaming industry. Do we really need a waiting period for everyone to brush up on PPC? And how is this in MS's best interest as ease of porting to _their_ operating system becomes further difficult.

Really torquing me up!!!! (0, Flamebait)

Seahawk91 (585715) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669717)

First, Microsoft is slammed for not being innovative and meeting market needs. Now Microsoft is slammed for being too innovative. I know this is Slashdot, but I sense a pattern. Whether you love or hate Microsoft, fast graphics and awesome games stand on their own merit.

For the parent poster, I am sorry you will have to buy a new system from Microsoft to be in the latest crowd. If this bothers you, just wait six more months and buy a PS3 so you can use your current games on the (then) latest system.

Some people will complain about anything.

Re:Really torquing me up!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669765)

...but I'm going to take a bet that if this is that much better, people will buy it...if not, it will die.

nostradamus? is that you?

Can't Wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669721)

I, as an Xbox fanboy, can't wait for the next gen console to be released, what a splendid day it will be. Hopefully, Halo 2.5 will be a launch title too. God that would be nice!

Let the flaming begin...

Bad article (1)

brkello (642429) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669723)

The most famous example of this came from then Nintendo of Europe MD David Gosen speaking at an ELSPA summit in London last October, where he lambasted Microsoft for pushing a next generation machine to market in 2005, and even went so far as to question Microsoft's motivation as profit.

I didn't know Microsoft was a not-for-profit organization now. Does all XBOX profit go to tsunami vicitims? Seriously, this seems like a good idea. PS2 came out before the other next gen consoles, and that is how they came out ahead. Microsoft is trying to emulate that. If they can get the titles on it, then they may beat out the other two this time around. But accusing them of doing it for profit is probably one of the stupidest things I have read in awhile. Of course they are doing it for profit...is Gosen and Nintendo doing this from the kindness of their heart? Overall, it is a horrible article with very unprofessional writing. You have to question anyone who uses the phrase "anyone and their dog" when they are writing an article.

On the flip side of all this...bring it on Microsoft. While I won't but an Xbox2 right away (I like waiting for a later rev to get the kinks out and the price to drop) more competition is a good thing. If this causes Sony and Nintendo to innovate more or drop their prices, then we all benefit. I don't understand a lot of people on here who want one company to win (a lot of pro-Nintendo fan boys are on here for some reason). I hope all companies do well so that we have a choice. This always benefits the consumer. Moves like EA getting the exclusive NFL license and aquiring game companies left and right is not encouraging on the software side of things. (Though my friend has made lots of money off his EA stock)

I think (1)

Tsiangkun (746511) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669743)

with all the hype around the cell processor, it would almost seem that if Microsoft releases without one inside their box too, the release date was too soon.

Let the countdown begin! (2, Funny)

bizitch (546406) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669763)

Ok - the Xbox2 is out in November - Does that mean modchips and hacks in time for Christmas?!?!

Yeah...right (1)

SteakandcheeseUm (191173) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669782)

I thought I saw on the news that Microsoft got in the Cell Processor game way behind sony. Interesting.

Blow by Sony? (1)

autosentry (595252) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669791)

I think everyone agrees that the XBox is technically superior to Playstation. Well, most people. But are the games more fun? Not really. All XBox has is a lot of first person shooters, the most irritating Sonic game ever coded, and gorey fighting games that are a lot less fun than say, Katamari Damacy. Although, Dance Dance Revolution is kinda fun . . .
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