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Nintendo With Possible Palm OS Capabilities

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the makes-a-lotta-sense dept.

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Sammy writes "According to GamerCentric, Nintendo has licensed Palm OS software although there intentions are not clear. "Well there seems to be some clues about this. "Nintendo had recently licensed Palm OS based PDA software without any details on why they had done it. Now Nintendo sources have revealed that V-Pocket trademark concerns this licensing. E3 will be the first witness of Nintendo's complete line of personal organizer tools for its Nintendo DS." So there is a possibility that we could see a Nintendo device with Palm OS organizer capabilities."

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Well that's spiffy.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11658897)

If it wasn't for the fact that PalmOS is a dead horse.

Let me guess (4, Interesting)

dnoyeb (547705) | more than 9 years ago | (#11658903)

I bet Nintendo has new management which are trying to look like they add valuable by making 'moves.' This is a decidedly US style manover which to me is surprising from a Japanese company.

Kids play nintendo.
Adults use palm.

They do not mix. To be sure, I am an adult and I do both. But never at the same time...

Re:Let me guess (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11658917)

You're right! U.S. business maneuvers are usually so idiotic. Thank goodness we're elitist intellectual Europeans!

Re:Let me guess (1)

boeserjavamann (655642) | more than 9 years ago | (#11658918)

Its like those Nokia Game Device/Cell Phone, where u had to take out the battery to insert a game-chip. Kids like to play, but IF they play they don't need phone.

Re:Let me guess (2, Funny)

roseblood (631824) | more than 9 years ago | (#11660046)

HEY, you stop that right now, unless you want legal trouble. Didn't you know that Nintendo Trademarked Prompt Speculation [slashdot.org] . You'd be better off to speculate belatedly, like after the product is released.

Re:Let me guess (4, Insightful)

way2trivial (601132) | more than 9 years ago | (#11658950)

amazing
handago, a popular software site for palms
has at

http://www.handango.com/SoftwareCategory.jsp?optio nId=1_1_2&jid=D7E61X5EF8787877C76A5FA961E36DC5&spe cial=&platformId=1&bySection=1&siteId=1&txtSearch= games&sectionId=3258&topSectionId=3258&catalog=1&t itle=Games [handango.com]
two thousand, six hundred, and nintey two games for the palm....-- who are they for?

Re:Let me guess (5, Insightful)

JanneM (7445) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659039)

Kids play nintendo.
Adults use palm.


In their home market, everybody plays video games, not just kids. This could be a pretty good move to get people in their twenties to go for the DS rather than the PSP.

Re:Let me guess (2, Funny)

pacc (163090) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659194)

Kids play nintendo.

Adults use palm.


But now the wait is over for those adults waiting for the limited hello kitty styled Palm V.

Re:Let me guess (1)

dextration (852266) | more than 9 years ago | (#11661463)

In fact, i'm in my early twenties. Being at a college where Art History courses are required, i'd love to be able to play my DS and say 'No no, I've got the Palm software installed on it. I'm taking notes. Really.'

Gross overgeneralization. (4, Insightful)

oneiros27 (46144) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659072)

Many adults are kids at heart.

I have a Palm, and I have multiple Nindendos of different generations. Most of the males from my generation (late 20s) have a better opinion of Nintendo than they do most other consumer electronics companies.

The Nintendo DS has a touch screen on it, that might be useable for writing input -- There comes bundled a little communications package, which accepts 'writing'.

When I first got my DS, I saw how nice it would be to use it as an organizer. Imagine -- being able to claim your nintendo as a tax write-off! [and well, it'd be one less thing to carry with me when I'm travelling].

I'm not much of one for bundling -- I've moved back to an older phone, just so I don't have to wait for java and crap like that to load. But I could see a benefit in this particular combination, provided that the palm wrote out its memory to non-volitile RAM, in case I ever drained the battery from playing games.

And whoever said you'd use them both at the same time? It's possible these days that Nintendo could pack enough memory into one of their cartridges to place the Palm OS on a Nintendo DS cartridge, rather than into the handheld itself.

Although, it'd be rather inconvenient to quit your game, so you could check your address book, it's still a possibility -- but licensing doesn't mean it's going to ever go anywhere. It's good business practice to keep your R&D going, so you can be ready to move in interesting directions. I didn't see anything in the article (which was rather short), saying they were planning on putting it into a specific product, or that we might see it in use in any sort of time frame.

Re:Gross overgeneralization. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659528)

You may be able to write off your DS now, legally. First, it's an electronic media device, and if you have _anything_ to do with electronic media, interface design, etc., then you can write it off as research or a regular expense item. That is, unless I am mistaken. Get an accountant (not some H&R Block doofus), tell her what you do, what you've bought, etc. You might be surprised.

Re:Gross overgeneralization. (1)

GFLPraxis (745118) | more than 9 years ago | (#11660408)

And whoever said you'd use them both at the same time? It's possible these days that Nintendo could pack enough memory into one of their cartridges to place the Palm OS on a Nintendo DS cartridge, rather than into the handheld itself.

They'd have to do that. The Nintendo DS has only 4 MB of RAM. The cartridges have much, much more.

Re:Gross overgeneralization. (1)

javatips (66293) | more than 9 years ago | (#11660544)

Many adults are kids at heart.


This remind me of the old saying : The difference between kids and adults is the cost of their toys.

Re:Let me guess (1)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659150)

Kids play nintendo.
Adults use palm.


It's an open secret that this is for Nintendo's mobile pron media center device, code named Hairy Palm.

Re:Let me guess (2, Insightful)

ripnet (541583) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659235)

They do not mix. To be sure, I am an adult and I do both. But never at the same time...

Which is exactly why it makes sense to have one device share both those functions.

Dumb statement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659835)

I play games on my palm, wishing it were a gameboy. I carry around my gameboy, wishing it had more features, like a PDA.

GBA + PDA = Nintendo for the win

Re:Let me guess (1)

ikkonoishi (674762) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659878)

Imagine it like this.

You got PDA in my game console!
You got game console in my PDA!

Why do you think its called Nintendo DS instead of Gameboy DS?

People wouldn't buy a Gameboy for business use.

Re:Let me guess (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659891)

Teens play Nintendo and use palm.

Re:Let me guess (1)

GFLPraxis (745118) | more than 9 years ago | (#11660372)

Kids play nintendo.

Shall I kill you now, or later?
Adults play Nintendo, as well. They have some of the best games around.

Re:Let me guess (1)

losman (840619) | more than 9 years ago | (#11660518)

Speak for yourself. If I could have my PalmOS on my Nintendo DS I'd pay for it!

Kids play nintendo ---> WRONG both do!

Re:Let me guess (1)

Spetiam (671180) | more than 9 years ago | (#11660642)

They do not mix. To be sure, I am an adult and I do both. But never at the same time

I must disagree. I daily ride on the public transit rail system in a major metropolitan area, and I see many adults on the train playing games on their cell phones or solitaire on their PDA. I don't know how far the Nintendo-Palm market would extend beyond what I see, but there is certainly a market for it.

Re:Let me guess (1)

petsounds (593538) | more than 9 years ago | (#11660673)

I'm an "adult" and I play Nintendo. So does my wife. I've never had one of their portable systems, but I would be very interested in a DS with PDA capabilities. I think it's a great move and will expand their market to new segments. The only thing "surprising" about it coming from Nintendo is that it actually makes sense.

Finally! (2, Funny)

bigtallmofo (695287) | more than 9 years ago | (#11658905)

Now I can finally play a game using the highly efficient Graffiti writing.

Re:Finally! (2, Informative)

rootofevil (188401) | more than 9 years ago | (#11658911)

No you cant, graffiti was shot down. You have to use the even more effecient graffiti2.

Unless you find the original libraries out on the net and can upload them into the device overwriting the old ones, that is.

carpal tunnel of doom (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659340)

Nooo! I'll never give up my much more efficient "roll to the letter, with the thumbpad, select it with the button, roll to the next one, oops, roll to backspace, backspace, backspace, reroll, select...". I'm not even a gamer and I can Graffiti faster than most people can type. What's your preferred alternative for entering text on a videogame?

Re:carpal tunnel of doom (2)

AndyL (89715) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659619)

My favorite text input method for videogames is the "Shoot Your Initials" method found on light-gun games.

"their" (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11658906)

*sigh*

Slashdot = Rumor Mill (4, Insightful)

Xeo 024 (755161) | more than 9 years ago | (#11658907)

That was one of the worst articles posted.

All I see is possibility, rumored, without any details etc.

All from as far as we know, an unreputable site.

Re:Slashdot = Rumor Mill (1)

PoopJuggler (688445) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659058)

Dude, get with the times. The new world order runs on FUD and diet pills now, not facts and technology.

FIRST POST!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11658909)

J MURPHDOG!

Re:FIRST POST!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11658924)

Nope, but that was a nice try:
I got the FP, and I beat 'cha by 2 minutes.

Viva (1, Troll)

News for nerds (448130) | more than 9 years ago | (#11658910)

la Revolution

powered by PalmOS.

What took them so long? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11658916)

The Gameboy has a dandy display and a dandy processor and you can program your own carts. I have seen it used as the base for several excellent projects. I have always felt that it was a better product than my Palm Pilot. Maybe if someone built a perfect tiny keyboard that the Gameboy would connect to ...

Re:What took them so long? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659031)

and you can program your own carts.

...which is very unlikely to happen soon if you look at everything Nintendo did in the past (like the "give us the binaries, we're the only one allowed to create cartridges if you want the Nintendo Seal of Quality on it" policy).

There's a difference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659196)

There's a difference between "the device has this capability because I have seen students do it" and "Nintendo won't let you do this commercially." We're both right.

Re:What took them so long? (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 9 years ago | (#11661540)

So if I don't want Nintendo's Seal of Quality I can commercially make my own cartridges?

makes sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11658919)

The DS could benefit from a few PDA functionality. In fact, it could become an n-gage killer if they ever add a GSM card.

Btw, 1P!

--
HawkinsOS [hawkinsos.com] , fuck Smorgreff [www.des.no] in the ass.

Re:makes sense (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659044)

Do they really need to kill the n-gage?...

Pseudo Tie-In to Cell phones? (1)

bagel2ooo (106312) | more than 9 years ago | (#11658930)

It's difficult to see where Nintendo may be trying to go with this. My closest guess being that they are trying to tie in the whole thing with 'texting', et al that seems to be a craze with the younger generation with having a portable gaming device. I recall the DS having that collaborative pictographical game. This could be an easy manner to make these a more social device in ways I don't feel the N-Gage quite hit.

Re:Pseudo Tie-In to Cell phones? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659247)

hmm?
n-gage gives you irc, major messengers, mms and whatever else.

even python scripting.

you see, unlike nintendos systems.. n-gage runs series60 and is completely open for anyone to develope for (for free).

nintendo games (0, Troll)

Bob64 (844867) | more than 9 years ago | (#11658934)

i hope nintendo games on the palm are a hell of alot better then the ones that come with the regular palm...

Re:nintendo games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659024)

I for one am looking forward to buying "Mario turbo platinum limited edition" for the nth time again, Nintendo always had a great range of characters and new ideas.

Re:nintendo games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11661254)

There has never been a Nintendo-developed game with the words "turbo," "platinum," or "limited" in their long history of making games.

There has been a "Legend of Zelda Collector's Edition" for the GameCube, which is a compilation of selected home console Zelda games, but that's the only Nintendo game that's ever had the word "edition" in it.

Now, back to the real issue that you're having mental difficulties in processing: Nintendo rereleases games so (A) both older and new gamers who never played the old games can get the chance on new hardware, (B) older gamers can play the games in a new format (such as portable, whereas it may not have been before), and/or (C) older and new gamers can play through these old games with improved graphics or otherwise new features (multiple characters and additional levels in Super Mario 64 DS, hugely improved graphics and music in Super Mario All-Stars and the Super Mario Advance series, etc.) So catch up already. This very practice just happens to make Nintendo a lot of money, and if that's the case, you can only "blame" the people buying this stuff, not Nintendo for making it available when there is obviously a market for it. If you aren't a part of that market, fine, walk away and live life. Just quit bitching if you're clearly not even involved.

Re:nintendo games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11661445)

I'm looking forward to final fantasy 38 and gran turismo 15: one more new car.

N-Gage (1, Interesting)

Space_Soldier (628825) | more than 9 years ago | (#11658936)

They'll probably add cell phone components too. So Nintendo wants to turn the Game Boy line into N-Gage. The problem is that N-Gage is not successful, so what makes them think that Game Boy with PDA and maybe phoning will be successful? I don't think that a 12 years old kid needs a PDA in his Game Boy, nor do I think that he should have a mobile phone. What are your opinions on this?

Re:N-Gage (1)

thrashbluegrass (855748) | more than 9 years ago | (#11658978)

N-Gage didn't take off because of idiotic initial design (take the batteries out to change a game? whoever let that slip through the engineering process should be stripped of their license). Nintendo has two big things going for it:

Name recognition, and a known software library. If anybody's going to make the first successful initial game/phone/pda, I think Nintendo has a better-than-fair shot at it.

Re:N-Gage (3, Interesting)

jmcmunn (307798) | more than 9 years ago | (#11658988)

I would agree completely with your point, young kids have no need for that kind of crap. It only makes them spend more time with their gadgets instead of going outside and getting exercise, or playing with their friends (in person, not online). However, the PalmOS could be used for a lot of things. One simple thing it could be used for is to keep around your "buddies" in a convenient matter so kids can use the fun little wireless chat thing that the unit already does. Also, it could be used to maintain high score lists (both local and online) and to simply provide for a powerful (for a game unit) interface for browsing your firmware/game menus. Just because they licensed the PalmOS doesn't mean it will be a full blown PDA. Of course it could, and I can't say for sure that it won't be, but it could just be for a code base that they want to use for their own design.

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Re:N-Gage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11660199)

Thanks for the gmail...

Re:N-Gage (2, Insightful)

DeltaSigma (583342) | more than 9 years ago | (#11658991)

F*** the children! I want a Game Boy with integrated PIM and cellular!

Re:N-Gage (1)

Nova1313 (630547) | more than 9 years ago | (#11658995)

true, but... by not packing it in if you just want the ds you get a ds (that is if it's really for the ds).. And those that want it can grab it. I carry a cell phone, palm and ds with me most of the time currently. If it was well designed I would much welcome a ds cart that added the other two. It would definatly save storage for me. Plus we would have one device to rule them all ^^. As for the n-gage well it just sucked, games and all. They played like crap and I couldn't see one good thing about the "system". The phone wasn't even comfortable. On a ds just add support for the wireless to work with wireless headsets and your golden.

Re:N-Gage (1)

CarrionBird (589738) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659445)

Maybe if they do it right. The tacophon... err n-gage combined a poor phone with a mediocre console.

Check out the Tapwave product, a palm with a real graphics chip and a gaming oriented design. That's what theyre looking to dominate.

Re:N-Gage (1)

AmberBlackCat (829689) | more than 9 years ago | (#11660360)

Maybe creating video games that require a touchscreen is a good way to introduce kids to PDA's. And there are games for the palm operating system, which could run on the DS I guess. Maybe adding palm OS would also make the DS more appealing to palm users without taking away the system's appeal to children. It would still play Pokemon red, silver, purple, and whatever other colours they have.

Re:N-Gage (1)

incom (570967) | more than 9 years ago | (#11660694)

And why do you discount the large numbers of adults who own DS's? That nintendo is for kids stuff is the puerile mantra of sony/xbox fanboys.

Re:N-Gage (1)

wernercd (837757) | more than 9 years ago | (#11660839)

Preach on my brother.

But just keep it on the down low. All those sony/xbox fanboys need to feel manly. Those few times the leave their parents basements to take out the trash for mother are quiet painfull from what I hear.

I'm a grown up-kid and I've never owned sony/xbox. Nintendo kicks ass.

Re:N-Gage (1)

Moofie (22272) | more than 9 years ago | (#11661472)

Yeah, and your opinion is much more rational than their opinion. Righto.

I wouldn't buy this for my 12 year old. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11660741)

I would buy it for myself.

I found the palm pilot extremely useful. And I enjoy playing my GBA when I am sitting waiting for my car inspection to get done, or those long waiting room sits at the Dr.s office.

The problem is I have had 3 palm pilots die on me for only what can be explained as "no apparent reason".

I have yet to have my original gameboy, or gameboy advance die. Even given the several drops, tosses, slams and crunches they have been in. If the DS holds up as well as its predecessors it would be great. A palm pilot that doesn't break down after the 6 month mark would be awesome!

*there* intentions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11658954)

Where intentions?

Maybe we can... (1)

RobotII (815006) | more than 9 years ago | (#11658956)

...play attack of the killer notes.

This looks like doing something just for the sake of having been seen to do something. It remains to be seen - maybe they will actually come up with a product that will work.

Its possible they are looking to expand into other markets and see this as a likely avenue.

FSCKING LEARN TO SPELL!!!! (0, Redundant)

Hamstij (831222) | more than 9 years ago | (#11658984)

THEIR intentions.

Obviously... (0)

TTYMan (854341) | more than 9 years ago | (#11658989)

Nintendo business plan: 1 Buy useless PalmOS software 2 ... 3 Profit!

Re:Obviously... (0)

wernercd (837757) | more than 9 years ago | (#11660889)

Someone start modding the South Park jokes down. I love south park. I love that episode. Hearing a 1. 2. 3. Profit! joke every thread was old last year.

Same thing for the soviet russia jokes.

Get a clue.

Re:Obviously... (0)

TTYMan (854341) | more than 9 years ago | (#11661145)

Must... resist... urge... Arrrrghh! IN SOVIET RUSSIA, CLUE GETS YOU! Sorry.

Your write! (4, Funny)

Mike Schiraldi (18296) | more than 9 years ago | (#11658996)

According to GamerCentric, Nintendo has licensed Palm OS software although there intentions are not clear.

I have no idea what there intentions are, but i'm sure their up to something good. They're are many cool things they could be planning.

Re:Your write! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659028)

heh. your funny.

Re:Your write! (1)

wheany (460585) | more than 9 years ago | (#11660791)

Yes, its a funny post.

Palm Cartridge (4, Insightful)

sehryan (412731) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659020)

"So there is a possibility that we could see a Nintendo device with Palm OS organizer capabilities."

You will see the DS with Palm OS capabilities, and they will be provided in a cartridge. The DS already has what all other PDA's have, except much better gaming ability.

This is a pretty smart move by Nintendo. Basically, they give you a simple, handheld game system, and then allow you to decide what add-ons you want through carts. Keeps the "I just want a gaming system" folk happy, while appealing to the "everything and the kitchen sink" folk interested.

Of course, I am a Nintendo fanboy, so my view could be a bit biased.

Re:Palm Cartridge (0)

radish (98371) | more than 9 years ago | (#11661053)

The DS already has what all other PDA's have
Except a decent sized screen. Now they might be able to come up with some interesting interfaces with different views on the two displays, but most PDAs have a single screen much larger than the DS.

I would buy Nintendo Palm IMMEDIATELY (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659052)

I have a DS, and frankly, the number of good games released so far is disappointing (but there are a few winners, like Feel the Magic, and Band Brothers in Japan).

I no longer have a Palm, but had a VII and Palm Pilot Professional a while back.

If Nintendo released essentially a Palm cartridge that turned your DS into a fully functional Palm OS machine, I would buy it in a second -- ESPECIALLY if it included a browser that took advantage of the DS' built-in wireless. I DO miss having a handheld computer -- I just can't justify it, when I already have a SE T-610 phone, and iBook G4 w/ BT and 802.11b/g. But $50 bucks or so for a Palm that uses my nice DS hardware (when it's sitting idle for lack of games)? Hells yeah!

Re:I would buy Nintendo Palm IMMEDIATELY (1)

GFLPraxis (745118) | more than 9 years ago | (#11660455)

I have a DS, and frankly, the number of good games released so far is disappointing (but there are a few winners, like Feel the Magic, and Band Brothers in Japan).

I agree completely. The good games are still coming.
Repeat after me: Age of Empires DS. Metroid Prime Hunters. New Zelda game. New Mario game. Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory. Mario Kart DS (possibly online). Age of Empires DS.

Keep repeating Age of Empires DS over and over.

Re:I would buy Nintendo Palm IMMEDIATELY (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11661477)

OH MY GOD!

Are you serious about the aoe ds?

jesus christ i'm about to have an orgasm.

Re:I would buy Nintendo Palm IMMEDIATELY (1)

Grey Ninja (739021) | more than 9 years ago | (#11660470)

Yeah, the DS is starting out really slow, but look at the lineup. Castlevania, Metroid Prime, DS Wars, Lost in Blue, Mario Kart, Xenosaga, Baten Kaitos, and Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles all in the upcoming games list.

That's hardly to be scoffed at. ;)

Probably not a PDA (1)

Yelsaeb (630079) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659055)

I really doubt that Nintendo would give PDA/Organiser functionality to the Gameboy. The gameboy is aimed at five to fifteen year olds, PDAs are aimed at eighteen plus. My guess is that they licensed the PalmOS for other reasons, possibly aiming to integrate data syncronisation, the filesystem, or other parts of PalmOS with their existing software, for their next generation gameboy. (Yes, they just released the DS, but they would definitely be working on the next one already)

Re:Probably not a PDA (1)

Manchot (847225) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659075)

The DS isn't a GameBoy, though. If it was, they would have named it as such. It's actually considered to be separate from their GB line of products.

Re:Probably not a PDA (1)

Yelsaeb (630079) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659106)

Even so, it is marketed as a portable gaming system. Thanks for the information though, I had no idea it was considered a different product line. I haven't touched a portable game of any sort for at least five years.

Re:Probably not a PDA (1)

SetupWeasel (54062) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659465)

Then maybe we shouldn't be making sweeping generalities about those portable games.

Re:Probably not a PDA (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659581)

Even so, [Nintendo DS] is marketed as a portable gaming system.

So was the Virtual Boy [reset.jp] .

Re:Probably not a PDA (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 9 years ago | (#11661402)

even so the last I saw the adverage age of a Gameboy user was 22.


Sorry if you watgch the comercials nintendo barely markets to the younger croud anymore, and it shows with their versions of like BMXxxx and stuff having more sex and violence than even the xbox version.

Re:Probably not a PDA (1)

Yelsaeb (630079) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659078)

I forgot to mention the graffiti system of converting writing to text, esp. now that they are using the touch screen. Certainly beats the way you have to enter high scores in the older gameboys.

makes sense (1)

j0nb0y (107699) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659077)

The DS has a touch screen, and is certainly powerful enough to do everything a PDA can. The only thing missing is the software... and both the palm pilot and the DS run on ARM processors...

Re:makes sense (1)

Jonny_eh (765306) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659272)

Don't forget that the DS also has a microphone, speakers/headphone jack, and 802.11 abilities. A lot of palm devices don't have those. Plus, the DS has 2 screens (not sure yet if that's a good think for a PDA) and it is self protecting (it closes up like a clam), no need for a bulky carrying case. I am quite excited!

Re:makes sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11660077)

The dual screen is actually a pretty nice feature. The only problem I've seen is people want to click on the top screen with the pen all the time.

Games like Feel the Magic have buttons shown on both the top and bottom screens with a button that flips the displays, but people miss that and click the non-touch screen.

Another good thing is, there is one processor for each screen. Do palm's have dual processors?

Pictures? Phonecalls? (1)

Anne Thwacks (531696) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659080)

Yes, but does it have a megapixel camera, and can it make GSM phonecalls?

My Nokia has an organiser and plays games (and not just "guess if the battery is flat"!)

This is clearly aimed at the DS (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659124)

I don't know why people think that Nintendo is going to launch a new line of hardware. This is clearly meant as an add on to the DS. Really, the only thing holding the DS back from being a decent Palm replacement now is the software, which of course, this license takes care of. The beauty part is that both the DS and the Palm use an ARM processor, so porting the code shouldn't be too awful.

The DS already has a built in touch screen and 802.11b. Once they have the Palm OS added to it, you'll be able to run Palm software relatively easily, which means the DS will gain a web browser, IM client, etc. So, for everyone who's already shelled out their $150 for a DS and gotten bored of Mario 64, this is great news. This unlocks an extra bit of functionality on this versatile bit of hardware. Of course, most kids won't need it, but for those of who game and want to web browser wirelessly on a PDA, it could be pretty cool.

Now, can we please knock off the "Let's play the Graffiti game" jokes?

Re:This is clearly aimed at the DS (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659423)

I agree that that's the most likely use for Palm OS, but also I think there is one more possibility that has been overlooked in this discussion. If you look at some things from the development stage for the DS, you can see it was not designed to be a GameBoy replacement. Originally, it wasn't supposed to play Game Boy Advanced games or even have a traditional D-pad. Nintendo wanted to bust things wide open by selling two handheld system at once, to two different markets. The DS is designed to "level the playing field" for new gamers, since everyone has to learn how to use a touch pad, as though gaming for the first time. In the end, however, Nintendo decided that releasing a handheld that wasn't compatible with the uber-popular GBA was suicide, and moderated the DS's design by adding a D-pad and whatnot.

However, there is still some rumbling afoot that Nintendo is still developing a "true successor" to the GBA. This system would be without a touch screen and with a more powerful processor. Essentially, it would be more like a PSP (although undoubtedly with a better battery life ;D ). No one really knows much about the Super GBA project, but it's possible that Nintendo is looking for software to use as an OS for this handheld. Maybe Palm OS could play a role similar to WinCE on the XBox?

Still, I agree that the most likely point of such an alliance would be to release a web browser and other internet utilities for the DS, since they do both use an ARM chip and doing so would greatly increase the utility of the DS for those in the 18+ bracket.

Re:This is clearly aimed at the DS (1)

prattboy (804069) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659966)

Who gets tired of Mario 64???

They should make the DS into a cell phone, camera, PDA, video game system, remote control, metal detector, and remote car starter.

Is it bad that I just don't understand all of this convergence stuff? Maybe Nintendo should focus on creating a great gaming system with great games that people want to play.

Re:This is clearly aimed at the DS (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11660112)

They did that with the gamecube and people said "But the XBox and PS2 both come with a DVD player so they must be better"

Missing the point... (1)

DrLungoon (705937) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659141)

The capabilities of the DS have only begun to emerge. My son has one, and I can't help picking it up every time he leaves it laying about and thinking "hey, wouldn't it be cool if..." (Probably will get my own actually...)

You put some Palm PDA functions in the sucker, aim it at junior/senior high kids, then *boom* you got some PDA junkies for life...

Have you seen the text messaging a 14 year old girl can do? Put one of these in her hands, let her friends get some "me too" going, then fuhgeddaboutit!

Probably not a PDA (2, Interesting)

Primal_theory (859040) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659301)

The nintendo ds IS NOT THE NEXT GAMEBOY if you read some of their reports, they said this is not the new gameboy, their working on that, this is the nintendo DS, a completely new console... Old uninformed people shouldn't talk about stuff that kids want either... I am infact a high school student, and me and quite a few of my friends have nintendo ds's, we have spent lunch playing eachother, and we have even cheated on tests by talking to eachother via pictochat... And if we were to get internet, either by using ds and school network or ds and network running from my locker, then i would pay any sum of money for that!

Re:Probably not a PDA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659723)

I am confused - did you attempt to make the point that the DS isn't for kids by putting yourself forward as a non-child DS user?

That's so cute - but you fail.

Editorial standards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659386)

"although there intentions"

Is this American English?

Maybe they just want the handwriting recognition? (2, Interesting)

ProppaT (557551) | more than 9 years ago | (#11659553)

Maybe they're leasing Palm's software just for their handwriting recognition? Really, all they need to do is integrate an AIM client w/ handwriting recognition from Palm and they'd have a MAJOR hit on their hands. Of course, it would be nice to have the Palm software too. But adding an AIM client to the package would make it a killer ap IMO!

I could just be really out of it (1)

mcc (14761) | more than 9 years ago | (#11660846)

But since when does Palm even have handwriting recognition software to license? Last I checked they only used that funky deformed-handwriting software.

Bluetooth and Palm OS in a Cartridge for DS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11659592)

This would be a killer app for the DS... I'd a actually consider trading in my SP if it comes out.

Especially if they put a little of the Nintendo magic on top of Palm OS.

No I don't mean Mario icons or an animated Koopa for your file transfer...

Just that Nintendo have always managed to make their Game UI's simple and polished.

What you end up with is a PDA with Bluetooth, WiFi and an application configurable input area.

And you can also play Mario Kart on it.

tapwave zodiac? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11660035)

i assume that sombody here has to have heard of this little gizmo. if not, its a palm powered pda that is set up to orient itself more toward gaming. a company developing palm software was making a gameboy advance emulator that would run on high end palm devices such as the zodiac, but nintendo sued the company and put it out for a while. perhaps this is why they put up a stink about an emulator being put out for palm but look the other way with PC emulators? http://www.tapwave.com/ [tapwave.com] if you are in the market for a high powered palm based pda.

Emulation! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11660309)

I guess then we would be able to install a gameboy emulator (liberty of gambit) on our gameboy/palm :)

DS is for adults. Besides, Tech + Kids = Good! (4, Interesting)

metalligoth (672285) | more than 9 years ago | (#11660472)

After reading a lot of replies I see a general theme.

Most people seem to think the DS is for kids. It isn't. Nintendo has stated clearly that the Game Boy Advance is for the market of the original Game Boy (6 to 25 years old or so) and that the DS is for the young adults that had the original Game Boy and are grown up now. The DS is intended for a 16 to 40 market. It's not for kids.

Nintendo has also previously announced plans to launch a VoIP service for the DS that will only work with other Nintendo DS units. I think this was even covered on Slashdot.

To the people saying 12 year olds don't need cell phones, I have to say this:

I was using experimental (read: pre-Newton and Newton-era but not the Newton itself) PDAs when I was as young as 12. I loved them. They helped me in school immensely and kept me entertained, as well. I loved communications equipment at that age, and when I wasn't busy hacking the local BBS I was often on the CB radio with my buddies. If we had cell phones, we would have used those.

There were plenty of times I was out in the middle of the woods or in town with friends that I'm sure my parents would have loved to get ahold of me. I know that when I have kids I will enjoy the piece of mind that comes from knowing you can get ahold of them while they're out playing and having fun.

Yes, I'll still ask them where they're going, but you simply can't lock your 12 year old in the house 24/7. So, a cell phone is often the best thing you can do.

Frankly, I'd rather it be a cell phone that I can call to /ask/ my kids where they are rather than a GPS device of some sort like many parents want to use these days.

From what I hear from parents I know, there are few kids these days in middle school or high school that /don't/ have cell phones already! ...and why shouldn't they have phones? PDAs?

Isn't giving a kid a piece of technology and teaching them how to use it responsibly a GOOD thing?

If you think the answer is no, I'd like to say you have a rather anti-Slashdot (or simply anti-hacker) mentality.

There were plenty of times I'd take a long hike in the woods and sit down in the middle of the woods on a log and program on my PDA for a few hours. Hey, it might of been strange, but I was active physically and I was learning, too. I got a good programming job fresh out of high school when a lot of my peers were still at fast food jobs, so it couldn't have been all bad.

About Three Years too Late? (1)

DavidD_CA (750156) | more than 9 years ago | (#11660525)

While I think it's certainly about time that mobile devices began to converge, I think that this is well overdue.

I already have a SmartPhone which, while it doesn't play the niftiest games, it does have great PDA abilities, a camera, music player, web browser, etc, etc.

Had Nintendo done this about three years ago, even with the cellular module, I think they could have been big leaders in this market today. Now, they're just playing catch up.

zerg (1)

Lord Omlette (124579) | more than 9 years ago | (#11660965)

The problem w/ the N64 was that it was too difficult to program for, that's why Nintendo went all out making sure the GBA and the GameCube were easier to produce content for.

Anyone who's written code for PalmOS can see what a terrible idea this is...

Organizer Plus (1)

darkain (749283) | more than 9 years ago | (#11661470)

Organizer Plus [nintendo.com] for the Nintendo DS. Not much information, other then it has been on the DS gamelist on Nintendo.com ever since the DS's launch.

I've been hoping for this (1)

focitrixilous P (690813) | more than 9 years ago | (#11661491)

The DS is quite a little handheld, but I think a lot of the features have really gone to waste. Mario 64 is fun, but I don't feel the same compulsion to seek out every star again. Having a web browser would be pretty slick, but I won't contribute anymore to the rumor mill than I already have.
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