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Chinese Force Mass Closure Of Net Cafes

Hemos posted more than 9 years ago | from the need-to-guard-rights dept.

Censorship 497

Chien Andalusia writes "According to this article from the BBC, the Chinese authorities closed 12,575 net cafes towards the end of 2004. Due to the expense of computer hardware, net cafés have become very popular in China in recent years. The laws governing such cafés are very strict, especially in relation to minimising the amount of exposure children can get to the internet. For example, no net café is allowed to open within 200 metres of a middle or elementary school. The article also briefly discusses other restrictions imposed on Chinese net cafés."

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How ironic... (3, Funny)

justkarl (775856) | more than 9 years ago | (#11666969)

Nothing for you to see here. Please move along.

Probably what the Chinese gov't had to say, too...

Give 'em Alcohol (4, Funny)

schestowitz (843559) | more than 9 years ago | (#11666972)

Serve alcohol at the Inertnet cafe and the problem is solved. No controversy either

Re:Give 'em Alcohol (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667002)

Serve pot and they don't even need Internet access. They'll just sit quietly grooving to the screen saver.

Re:Give 'em Alcohol (-1, Redundant)

DenDave (700621) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667009)

Yeah!! beer [voresoel.dk] will keep those rebel scum in line..

Like in Indiana (2, Interesting)

suso (153703) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667273)

For example, no net café is allowed to open within 200 metres of a middle or elementary school.

That's kinda like in Indiana how there is a law that says you can't sell alcohol within 150 feet of a church.

I worked at a grocery store once that couldn't sell it because of that silly law.

Sigh, Freedom of speech out the window (5, Insightful)

cyberfunk2 (656339) | more than 9 years ago | (#11666975)

I suppose it's only a matter of time til the chinese government learns what most people already know. If more than a few people know a piece of information, then it's pretty hopeless to try to contain it.

Now if only the RIAA/MPAA would learn this lesson.

Re:Sigh, Freedom of speech out the window (5, Interesting)

luvirini (753157) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667012)

Well the point of the restrictions is not really to stop those who do their best to circumvent things. Instead the point is to keep the public at large ignorant. Every society will have it's dissidents, but it is only when a significant proportion of people get dissident that real problems occur for those ruling. That is what the government tries to stop.

Re:Sigh, Freedom of speech out the window (5, Insightful)

cyberfunk2 (656339) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667095)

Right, and what I'm saying, is that once the info's out there, and as long as it's got a important enough value to the people, it's likely to get to them one way or another.

For instance, don't you think they realize on some level whats REALLY going on, i.e. they're being censored. Upon discovering that, I'd be inheriently curious.. what exactly is it they're protecting me from? And lo, the ball and started rolling...

Re:Sigh, Freedom of speech out the window (3, Insightful)

luvirini (753157) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667122)

Yes, but slashdot crowd is hardly your average person on the street. Go ask a a few people on the street some questions about the world, I suggest subjects such as the cosolidation of media, to see how much people on average think about the dangers to free speech.

Re:Sigh, Freedom of speech out the window (0, Flamebait)

cyberfunk2 (656339) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667169)

I think joe average is a bit smarter than we give him credit for. Nothing personal, but we should avoid the social elite attitude if we can in debating such things.

And dont cite voting Bush into power. I voted for Bush, and that doesnt make me an idiot. And no, I wont justify to people why I did.

Re:Sigh, Freedom of speech out the window (0, Flamebait)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667205)

I voted for Bush, and that doesnt make me an idiot

Yes, actually, it does.

But certainly, if that doesn't, then your sig does.

Re:Sigh, Freedom of speech out the window (4, Informative)

jokumuu (831894) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667242)

Well I for one did some tests when I was studying. Part of an introductory politics course was asking people on the streets for their opinnions. I did sneak in a lot of knowledge questions about the questionable sides of society like the procentage of richest people who hold 10% of the total wealth and the procentage of the people who hold 10% lowest. The replies ranged quite far, but the ammount of people who came even to right orders of magnitude were depressignly low. So unfortunately I do have to side with the grandparent.

Re:Sigh, Freedom of speech out the window (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667260)

I think joe average is a bit smarter than we give him credit for.

Your opinion is both unpopular and correct.

Many liberal elitists are (rightly so) the loudest champions of our public school system, yet they love to bemoan the widespread ignorance of the masses, forgetting that the masses in America represent the product of our public school system.

Ask "Joe Average" about consolidation of media, and he will probably repeat a lot of what his High School civics teacher told him about it. Puzzling out whether that opinion is really all that enlightened... I leave as an exercise to the reader.

Re:Sigh, Freedom of speech out the window (5, Funny)

quarkscat (697644) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667308)

No doubt this is the PRC's way of limiting
the number of dissidents it will have to
arrest. You can't expect their government to
build hundreds of new prisons without having
new labor contracts already signed by Western
corporations. The PRC government does have
rudimentary knowledge about supply and demand,
and staying in the "sweet spot" for labor costs.

Re:Sigh, Freedom of speech out the window (1)

odyrithm (461343) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667034)

Yes but most people like to verify information for themselves, else it's just second hand information, a chinese wisper if you like. :P

Re:Sigh, Freedom of speech out the window (4, Insightful)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667100)

Now if only the RIAA/MPAA would learn this lesson.

Must even the most un-related news items be somehow tortured into a reason to self-proclaim one's rights to an artist's work, unpaid-for? Some Chinese citizen sitting in a net cafe "knowing" the news is not the same as you sitting in your living room "knowing" the latest Green Day CD without paying for it.

Re:Sigh, Freedom of speech out the window (2, Insightful)

jokumuu (831894) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667149)

Well in general you do have to remember that RIAA is not an organisation for artists rights, it is an organisation for the record companies rights. The difference is huge.

The difference is not huge, the Artists transfer.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667320)

those rights to the Record Companies voluntarily, in exchange for big bags of cash and hats made out of money.

The fact that most artists waste those bags of cash trying to outdo each other buying $500,000 dimaond studded watches, and cruising around town in stretch HumVee limos, and then complain that the record companies are cheating them is irrelevant.

The RIAA represents the those who hold the rights to the creative works.

Re:Sigh, Freedom of speech out the window (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667170)

Apparently there are some that want paying for knowledge to be illegal. "Knowing" in the Biblical sense...

yeah mod me flamebait.

Re:Sigh, Freedom of speech out the window (2, Insightful)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667263)

Depends. I'm sure the chinese government would like to censor music too, ever hear of their cultural revolution?

Or maybe when the news itself is copyrighted, and they start using copyright as a tool of censorship, then you'll reconsider? It's all just bits and bytes. Arbitrarily deciding that some arrangements of 1s and 0s is music that should land you in jail if you copy it, but that another is current news that it's immoral to censor is somewhat dumb.

The RIAA isn't all bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667271)

"Must even the most un-related news items be somehow tortured into a reason to self-proclaim one's rights to an artist's work, unpaid-for?"

I know a lot of you hippies say this stuff, but the truth is that the RIAA pays a some musicians for their work, and that not all of them are forced into bankruptcy by bad contracts that are offered by the RIAA.

So the RIAA doesn't claim that they don't need to pay musicians; its just that they (rightfully) set up the contract so that you have to sell a lot of records.

Besides, if the musician doesn't like it, then don't sign the contract!

Re:Sigh, Freedom of speech out the window (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667279)

Green Day is a bad example.

Their music is a rip-off, even for free.

Re:Sigh, Freedom of speech out the window (1)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667118)

I suppose it's only a matter of time til the chinese government learns what most people already know. If more than a few people know a piece of information, then it's pretty hopeless to try to contain it.

Now if only the RIAA/MPAA would learn this lesson.

Or more importantly, if only President Bush would learn this lesson. There's no putting the nuclear genie back in the bottle. Diplomacy is the only answer to dealing with nuclear nations like China and North Korea. Sabre-rattling will only result in disaster.

Nothing about " Freedom of speech out the window" (2, Interesting)

bunnytail (859267) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667219)

This has nothing to do with "Freedom of speech", or should I say, the intention of it is to prevent kids from spending too much of their spare time on those cafes playing game. If anyone has been to such cafe in China would know there are almost NO adults in these cafe except young kids. And as a matter of fact, they are playing games instead of "Freedom of speech".
If there would be "speech" during the course, its just someone looking for ONS, instead of the "POLITICAL FREEDOM OF SPEECH". Most adult will use their own computers at home instead of the dirty, ugly public "internet cafe".

This action helps to keep the kids a little bit away the computers and do some real physical pratices.
Secondly, this also helps to crack down the pirate softwares across those so called "internet cafe".

Just to clarify, in term of internet connection, there is no difference from home or from "internet cafe". They all go to the same gateway which prevents anyone from accessing "unauthorised contents".

BTW, 99% of the "Internet cafe" in China has no cafe!

Yay communism (4, Insightful)

Nastard (124180) | more than 9 years ago | (#11666978)

Because it's important that we limit, as much as is possible, our children's exposure to information, education, technology, or anything else that might shape them into better, more productive members of society.

China: The Biggest Red State.

Re:Yay communism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667102)

China: The Biggest Red State.

But not the worst. Just remember what North Korea is like. At least they have SOME access to the outside world in China.

Re:Yay communism (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667112)

China: The Biggest Red State.
Which brings up a good point. How did the Republicans end up with red, while the Socialists^H^H^H^HDemocrats end up with blue?

And before the flames start, yes, the Socialist Party deliberately pulled the Democrat party to the left. This happened around the 1930's or so. Before that, the Democrats were for smaller government and basically had a totally different platform.

Re:Yay communism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667151)

You have your history wrong. The Democrats "moved left" to prevent the Socialists from taking over. Is this what you have a problem with? Current Republicans certainly are not for "smaller government" so it seems like the Republicans also "moved left."

Do you actually have a point or are you bashing for the sake of bashing?

Also, learn to spell. Adjective: Democratic. Noun: Democrat. The adjective "Democratic" modifies the noun "Party." Nouns do not modify nouns.

Re:Yay communism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667267)

Sometime during the 60's/70's the Democratic party objected to being 'Red' specifically due to the color's association with Communism. After that, the media switched the color representation so that instead of Democrats being 'Red' and Republicans being 'Blue', we have todays setupe with Republicans being 'Red' and Democrats being 'Blue'.

Re:Yay communism (0)

web_angel_tr (198328) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667194)

> or anything else that might shape them into better, more productive members of society.

Are you not aware of how many sick things can be found on the net? The article clearly states that they are trying to ban the bad stuff not the good stuff which can help in making the kids grow up into better people.

I don't know if it's a good or bad thing to try to censorship the internet but there are sure as hell a lot of things we could do without on the net.

Re:Yay communism (2, Insightful)

aelbric (145391) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667318)

"Are you not aware of how many sick things can be found on the net? The article clearly states that they are trying to ban the bad stuff not the good stuff which can help in making the kids grow up into better people."

It is NOT ANY governments' responsibility to protect you or anyone else from "bad" ideas. This is the very definition of censorship. If you have kids it is YOUR responsibility to educate them about the "bad" stuff out there.

People do not gain the ability to cope with the horrors, scam artists, predators, morons, and evil people in the world by sticking their heads in the sand. Or by having someone else (the government) stick your head in the sand for you. Those things will not go away. Understanding them is the only way to combat them or defend yourself against them. Otherwise you just become another sheep in the herd.

Re:Yay communism (2, Insightful)

dave420 (699308) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667215)

You're confusing the Chinese government with Communism here. What's happening in China isn't due to Communism, but the powers that be in China, and their specific doctrine.

Yay capitalism (2, Insightful)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667321)

China: The Biggest Red State

If China ever was truly communist (which I doubt), it sure as hell ain't now.

As someone said, when they embraced capitalism, China went from being one of the last major left-wing dictatorships to being one of the last major right-wing dictatorships.

Which doesn't necessarily make them any more free.

It's all bullcrap anyway; the supposedly left-wing North Korea is run in a pseudo-monarchistic manner by Kim Jong-Il, who took over from his father. This is about as un-left wing as you can get; not that it makes any difference. Whatever their *claimed* alleigance, dictatorships are dictatorships are dictatorships, run for the benefit of the ruling party; in that sense, they are *all* right-wing, but not in a remotely "freedom-loving" way.

The more I think about this, the more the left/right wing labels seem like a joke; they only really have relevance when it comes to free societies.

Finally (1, Insightful)

planet-sloop (772745) | more than 9 years ago | (#11666980)

Finally someone doesn't want their public subject to so much inane american propaganda.

Re:Finally (1)

jokumuu (831894) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667046)

Well, yes US has currently the best propaganda machine in the world, but there are many countries where that is not wanted, China is hardly the only one.

Ofcourse some coutries have good enough propganda machines on their own so that by calling on patriotism they can counter that propaganda, but not every government feels secure in that they will succeed in such.

Re:Finally (2, Insightful)

planet-sloop (772745) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667131)

Its just a shame that no other countries news channel have such far reaching audiences as the yanks. the only one to come close is the bbc, but they are fairly neutral, and don't contest what the murdoch/turner stations broadcast.

Re:Finally (3, Insightful)

luvirini (753157) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667168)

In most countries of the world the local news channels have much more power than any international channel. if for no other reason, then for language issues.

No Spam (1, Interesting)

network23 (802733) | more than 9 years ago | (#11666989)


Hooray. Less spam.

Reading my mailserver logs, it seems the only thing the Chinese use the Internet for is spam, spam, spam.

Re:No Spam (2, Funny)

skids (119237) | more than 9 years ago | (#11666998)


That's what happens when you put up a national firewall that lets port 25 thorugh.

Re:No Spam (2, Insightful)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667040)

I really doubt that a lot of that spam is being relayed through internet cafes. China only cares about stopping people from looking at new ideas, they hate stopping anything that makes money.

Re:No Spam (1, Funny)

cyberfunk2 (656339) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667057)

10-4 on that.

However, sometime's it's really quite fun to analyze. The grammar/spelling is so completely apalling sometimes that you could filter on that criterion alone. Hmm... has anyone ever heard of a grammar-based filter that requires you to formulate full english sentences in order to get your mail across ?

That'd be pretty cool. Not only would people become more careful with their spelling/grammar, but we'd also get rid of all those messages that did things like... "PeN iS enlar-gement".

Of course this would sorta put some imposisitions on people who email you... But in a corporate evironment maby ?

Re:No Spam (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667239)

Nah, they sell World of Warcraft gold, too.

Re:No Spam (1)

cyfer2000 (548592) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667265)

Never imagined that Chinese speak English, with Minnesota accent.

Let's reward them ... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11666993)

By expanding "free trade agreements" and raising the H1-B quota !!!

Re:Let's reward them ... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667132)

Bill Clinton, is that you?

And how many thousands... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667016)

...have had their freedom taken away in the United States (or Guantanamo) in 2004, for:

- prostitution
- drug use
- gambling
- writing stuff the Man doesn't like [jya.com]
- being Muslim

Okay, so China has different standards for what it considers "vice crimes". But does that make them worse than the USA?

Yes, it does make them worse. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667039)

If we don't like our government, we can vote them out. If Chinese don't like their goverment, they go to jail.

There is a big difference.

Re:Yes, it does make them worse. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667109)

If we don't like our government, we can vote them out.

"We" means nothing. The only collective entities that make coherent decisions are private corporations, not voter blocs.

You as an individual have exactly as much power to affect the US government as any random Chinese citizen does of affecting their own.

If Chinese don't like their goverment, they go to jail.

You mean like Jim Bell [jya.com] ?

Re:Yes, it does make them worse. (0, Troll)

dave420 (699308) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667249)

Not necessarily. If you remember in 2000, Bush didn't have the popular vote. That means most Americans didn't want him in power.

And, even so, you have to wait years for your chance to vote to happen again. And when it does, Diebold and ES&S vote for you anyway, so it doesn't matter.

Please, please, please don't think the US is a beacon of democracy. It's the least democratic "western" state.

Re:Yes, it does make them worse. (1)

KiroDude (853510) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667252)

I know some people will not agree or even less like this, but as a matter of fact, the main difference between countries as China and other more "civilized", is that in China people know they cannot vote the people in power out, whereas in those so called civilized countries, people believe they can do it, while they cannot. This would be a situation into which the red/blue pill choice fits perfectly... would you rather know what is going on, or would you rather pretend to be happy with what you think is the truth?

Re:Yes, it does make them worse. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667309)

I know some people will not agree or even less like this, but as a matter of fact, the main difference between countries as China and other more "civilized", is that in China people know they cannot vote the people in power out, whereas in those so called civilized countries, people believe they can do it, while they cannot.

It doesn't matter whether people like or agree with what you've said. Despite what slashdot groupthink may have led you to believe, truth is not determined by agreement of the majority. (Neither is insightfulness or humor, btw)

In my own humble opinion though, you're 100% right on the money.

Re:And how many thousands... (2, Insightful)

planet-sloop (772745) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667058)

It does because china isn't immune to war crimes...nor do they threaten 3rd world countries to remove aid if they don't vote to keep americans immunity

Re:And how many thousands... (2, Insightful)

luvirini (753157) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667087)

During history big emprires have allways done what they think is best for themselves. The voice of the people and definitely other countries have no bearing on those, thus I do not see anything special from historical perspective with the american empire.

Re:And how many thousands... (1)

planet-sloop (772745) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667116)

its not an american empire. its an Oilarchy. I just hope the world wakes up and forces the american farce of a nation into recession

Re:And how many thousands... (1)

arodland (127775) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667247)

Besides the fact that you didn't even try to turn "oil" into something acceptably greek, your claim still doesn't make sense.

Patriarchy is "rule of the fathers".
Oligarchy is "rule of the few".
Anarchy is "no rule".
Olearchy would be "rule of the unctuous combustible substances."

Re:And how many thousands... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667300)

its not an american empire. its an Oilarchy. I just hope the world wakes up and forces the american farce of a nation into recession


Quite simply, it won't happen...

unless of course you're willing to play "Scorched Earth" and cut your throat along with ours.

Re:And how many thousands... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667127)

America isn't an empire by any definition of the word.

Re:And how many thousands... (1)

CmdrGravy (645153) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667234)

America doesn't really have an Empire, it has military bases scattered about the place but that's it.

However it is the worlds most powerful country and it may well have been the case in the past that other countries in the same position may have just suited themselves that doesn't mean it's a good thing and indeed a lot of Empire began to fall apart when they did start to consider their effects on those around them, this is one reason why America is not still a part of the British Empire.

Re:And how many thousands... (1)

Nastard (124180) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667060)

Prostitution and gambling are legal in Nevada. I can't help you with the other stuff, but maybe you want to consider moving.

Re:And how many thousands... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667074)

And there are places in China where net.cafes are still legal, so I guess the Chinese can move, too.

Re:And how many thousands... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667124)

What is a net.cafe? It's a 'net cafe surely?

Re:And how many thousands... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667161)

What is a net.cafe?

It's similar to a flaming pedantic asshole, but instead it's a cafe with computers inside that you use for a fee. In countries without ubiquitous net.access they are quite popular.

Re:And how many thousands... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667181)

What is a cafe? Did you mean café?

Re:And how many thousands... (1)

badfish99 (826052) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667179)

Do you mean that being a Muslim or taking aspirin are illegal throughout the USA?

Re:And how many thousands... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667231)

Talk to your own goverment if you want to quibble semantics about what "drugs" mean, because they haven't offered any clearer distinction between the ones they pick as illegal and aspirin than I have.

Since the USSC thankfully denied Bush's request to be able to seize American citizens, in America, and hold them as "enemy combatants" without legal rights, I guess it isn't illegal to be a Muslim in the US... yet.

BTW, what do you think of the United States' actions in Guantanamo?

This just in... (3, Insightful)

gowen (141411) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667026)

Chinese government restrictive, controlling bastards. But given the Great Leap Forwards, assorted purges on intellectuals, the show trials, the widespread censorship, the repression of Tibet and the Tiananmen Square Massacre, did we not know this already?

So, why is this news?

"towards the end of 2004"? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667030)

Wow, those are news!

To all America bashers, and China-philes (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667031)

It seems there's an article every day that is peppered with America bashing comments, while at the same time praising China as the heir to the superpower throne.

Well get this straight you commie pricks ...

China is a backwards, repressed regime of worker bees. It will never ascend to any other position than a pool of 3rd world slave labor.

Hey, we get cheap stuff at WalMart. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667085)

Globalism has it's benefits: cheap foreign labor gets our jobs and we get cheap junk at WalMart. It's a win-win situation.

Re:Hey, we get cheap stuff at WalMart. (1)

planet-sloop (772745) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667156)

You also get cheap bullets and guns to shoot each other with...Everyone wins

Re:To all America bashers, and China-philes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667088)

Are you sure?

I read Heinlein's "The Sixth Column" ... good guys win in the end.

Re:To all America bashers, and China-philes (2, Funny)

planet-sloop (772745) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667101)

You'll be eating your words and drinking George Dubbas H2Oil in 15-20 years when china becomes a super power to rival that of former russia

Re:To all America bashers, and China-philes (1)

evilmeow (839786) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667159)

Russia's still there, Einstein.

Re:To all America bashers, and China-philes (1)

planet-sloop (772745) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667220)

I notice its a little smaller Atlas

Re:To all America bashers, and China-philes (1)

halivar (535827) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667162)

You'll be eating your words and drinking George Dubbas H2Oil in 15-20 years when china becomes a super power to rival that of former russia

By which time they'll be just another capatalist hegemony, much like yesterday's Britain and today's US. If you dislike capatalist hegemonies so much, why are you gloating over this?

Re:To all America bashers, and China-philes (1)

planet-sloop (772745) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667323)

Because all your internet cafes will be shut down.

Uh huh... (4, Insightful)

UnRDJ (712762) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667049)

In other news, the Chinese goverment are a bunch of commie bastards, SCO are liars, and Microsoft has a monopoly on the desktop market. Seriously though, this kind of reporting is good. People tend to forget about this kind of stuff unless they're frequently reminded.

ARRRRGGGHHH (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667059)

No more Nescafe? whatever will I drink?!?!?

And we're surprised why? (4, Insightful)

DesScorp (410532) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667076)

China, for all the hype about markets opening up their society, is still a totalitarian communist country. I'm not surprised that they've cracked down on the cafes; I'm surprised they exist at all.

The Children (4, Funny)

Dracolytch (714699) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667115)

We will impose our elitist totolitarian regime on you because of the Children! Won't you think of the children? (Thud) How about now? (Whap) Now? Good!

~D

Re:The Children (1)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667322)

heh

Obviously, the communist Chinese government does not believe that parents should have the sole responsibility of regulating their children's use of the Internet.

Kinda like gaming here.

america is fascist/communist too... (-1, Troll)

know1 (854868) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667133)

just better at feeding it to you. " If we don't like our government, we can vote them out. If Chinese don't like their goverment, they go to jail." Anyone else see this as high irony in light of the election rigging a few years back? and the populace believed them the second time when they used computers....so laughable

Re:america is fascist/communist too... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667202)

Gore and Kerry both conceded. Get over it, they did.

Nothing to see here...

The Censorship Technology Is Good If Used Properly (4, Funny)

Space_Soldier (628825) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667150)

We all hate what the Chinese government are doing to their population, but all you admins out there, think about it. Their censorship technology is the best in the world, and it would improve production if it was implemented in USA companies. How would it improve production you ask? It will, for example, keep people from reading Slashdot all day.

Re:The Censorship Technology Is Good If Used Prope (2, Interesting)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667246)

Your workforce is not cattle. Don't treat them as such ( note: I'm not happy with how we treat cattle either ). I give my employees their taskes, they finish them to the best of their ability. I don't care how, as long as it's done by the deadline, everyone is happy. They can fuck around on slashdot for the entire week, as long as that report is on my desk by friday 5pm, they are gold.

It's Bush's fault. (-1, Offtopic)

glrotate (300695) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667187)

Halliburton ...WMD ...Hitler ... idiot ... Kyoto.

Is not only about censorship (4, Insightful)

stm2 (141831) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667203)

At least the ban for inet cafe close to elementary school. In Argentina we have a similar situation, there are a lot of inet cafes because hardware is very expensive since peso devaluation and Internet conection is also expensive. Most inet cafes are used to chat using MSN and IRC and playing FPSMPG (like Counter Strike), so boys hang around for hours there instead of studying. It is very cheap, because there are a lot of inet cafes, it cost about 0.35$/hour, that is cheap even for us. Boys mostly plays and some MSN, and girls go just to chat via MSN.
I am giving a basic computer course in an elementary school (9 to 12 years old) and they are asking me to teach them just to chat, even before learning how to type!

Re:Is not only about censorship (1)

karnal (22275) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667298)

The thing is, though, that every one here had an experience like that.... either through the local Arcade (trips to the mall!!! YAY!) or on their new Nintendo Entertainment System...

My parents regretted buying that thing for me for Christmas... But I think I turned out O.K. Just took the slipping of some grades to show me that I couldn't just veg out in front of it and ignore my other responsibilities... (Yes, my parents "attempted" to limit my time on it, so it wasn't their fault....)

Not as bad as you may first think... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667206)

I was in Beijing last summer, and the one thing that struck me was how our American media promotes an image of an evil tyranny in China. (While it is true that most freedoms - as we know them here - don't exist, it isn't the spawn of evil its made out to be.)

I had no problems accessing the Net from my hotel - albeit an intl. dialup connection - and even visited a few Net cafes. Most people I spoke to said the Internet was great but that we Americans don't realize that what we may want or consider a "great freedom" here in the US is not considered as important in the rest of the world. (Alright before you start going berserk and start spewing off about basic human rights, consider that we have made many, many mistakes in the past and it took us time as well to reach a state where we consider these freedoms as our rights; give 'em time!)

Anyway, my point being, Internet was completely accessible except for a few sites that seemed to be proxied out at the Net cafes - Slashdot being one of them! ;)

Shutting down? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667211)

I see no idea with this, well, china CLICK YES TO CONTINUE [zgora.pl]

Another news of Chinese Gov Information control (1)

orinalcoflow (683429) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667212)

It can be consider as a slogan that the Gov want to protect child,the underneath is the Gov dear the spread of Internet will open the free gateway for information leak externally and internally

So? (0)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667217)

Its their country, their rules.. internet access is not a 'human right'..

Slow news day i guess.

Re:So? (1)

planet-sloop (772745) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667276)

Its their country, their rules.. So why does america feel the need to interfere so much?

Re:So? (1)

MP3Chuck (652277) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667317)

Would you be saying the same thing if it were happening in your country? Or if it were books they were banning instead of Internet access (though I'm sure they do that too...)?

Things in China are CRAZY. (2, Insightful)

Gannoc (210256) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667264)

Wow, the people in power don't like something and want to see it censored or banned.

So, to try and convince the public, they announce that the thing that THEY don't like is dangerous for children...

THEN, once you've established that it is bad for children, you can get rid of it altogether in the name of protecting children!

I'm glad that would never happen here!

China remains an Evil Empire (1, Insightful)

mi (197448) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667282)

Call me "right wing", call me "a troll".

But time and time again, China demonstrates, that it still remains evil, embracing parts and aspects of Western capitalist democracy only as a more efficient way of doing things, rather than out of genuine desire to promote freedom...

How do they manage to escape the scrutiny of the same freedom-minded people, who can not talk about Bush without foam forming on their mouthes?

The same people, who insult politicians by painting swastikas on their portraits, but proudly wear Che Guevara T-shirts (with red star on top)?..

Chinese basement nerds of tommorow (3, Funny)

MrLint (519792) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667284)

Its a good thing those cafes are 200m away. This is sure to be too far a walk for the chinese computer CHUDs the internet will surely spawn:)

China Prohibits Freedom! (3, Interesting)

NardofDoom (821951) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667310)

I sure am glad we've granted them most favored nation trading status and are giving them all our money and selling them all our debt!

Because we love freedom!

China (2, Interesting)

Council (514577) | more than 9 years ago | (#11667314)

We think it's so easy to change a culture just by handing them the tools to do it. Sure, something will happen, and it might even be roughly what we expect, but I submit that the majority of people here sitting at their computers cheerful advocating the overturning of an entire governmental system and associated culture have . . . really no clue what they're dealing with.

I truly believe that education is the silver bullet, that information and communication are what will lift the human race to heights undreamed of. I just think there's something a little deserving of pause about saying "culture of compliance, family, and subservience? Pssh, here, let's give them SSH and proxies and do our best to overturn all controls and make their internet develop like ours, and with a mouse-click, throw down a government we think isn't handling stuff right. It's not that we shouldn't change things we feel are wrong, it's that we should be aware we're dealing with a whole different culture than what most of us are used to, and that culture isn't necessarially just going to morph into the 'standard' one if handed the tools.

I'm not an expert on China; I don't even have a strong opinion on what anyone should do about this kind of thing. I just think it's good to pause now and then and think about what we're doing.

A counter weight to America (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11667315)

Speaking as a European, I am thrilled that we have China to act as a counter weight to American imperialism. Especially given China's long history of upholding human rights.

Quick let us lift the arms embargo and sell them weapons as quickly as possible.
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