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The Cure for Cancer Might be: HIV

Hemos posted more than 9 years ago | from the probably-not dept.

Biotech 668

RGautier writes "Wired News has published that Scientists have successfully modified the AIDS-causing HIV in such a way that it can attack metasticized melanoma (cancer cells). The impact of genetic research on cancer research is in and of itself amazing. To mix this with the strategy of using one strong enemy against another is brilliance! Research will continue, obviously, but they are already reporting success on living creatures." Just think: between HIV and carrots we'll be all set.

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I have good news and bad news... (5, Funny)

beatdown (788583) | more than 9 years ago | (#11668989)

The bad news is you have cancer. The good news is you have HIV!

Re: (5, Funny)

EaterOfDog (759681) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669033)

And the cure for HIV is Heart Disease!

Re: (5, Funny)

suso (153703) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669199)

And the cure for Heart Disease is exercise, which means that we're all doomed.

Simpsons (2, Funny)

operagost (62405) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669212)

Does the next step involve gorillas?

Good News vs. Bad News Joke (5, Funny)

mrighi (855168) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669089)

Totally offtopic, but your joke made me think of another I heard somewhere.

A guy goes to the doctor about a problem he's having. After a thorough examination, the doctor says to the patient, "I have good news and I have bad news."

"Well doc, let me hear the good news first.", says the patient.

To which the doctor responds, "Well, the good news is, we're going to name a disease after you!"

Might want to downplay the HIV thing (4, Insightful)

geoffspear (692508) | more than 9 years ago | (#11668992)

If you're gotten rid of 80% of the virus, you might not want to market it as "derived from HIV". Really.

Re:Might want to downplay the HIV thing (5, Funny)

EaterOfDog (759681) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669065)

Maybe HIV-Lite? Or I Can't Believe It's Not HIV!

Re:Might want to downplay the HIV thing (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669129)

I don't really think it would make sense to downplay any involvement with HIV. Lets say they decide to call it something else and at a later point in time it's "revealed" that people are being strategically infected with HIV... even in a reduced state... don't you think people would be outraged that this information was withheld? I think the natural reaction from most of the public (through ignorance, of course) would be "why would they keep it from us... is there something they didn't want us to know?"

Best to be as open as possible right from the start to avoid any misconceptions. (Or media backlash.)

LOL @ Tom Sizemore (1)

Kill all Muslims (845937) | more than 9 years ago | (#11668998)

Tom Sizemore Fails Drug Test with Fake Penis []

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Actor Tom Sizemore has been jailed for violating his probation by failing a drug test after he was caught trying to use a prosthetic penis to fake the results, a Los Angeles County prosecutor said on Friday.
Sizemore, 43, who played a battle-hardened sergeant in the war movie "Saving Private Ryan," was placed in custody on Thursday. He was ordered to remain behind bars until a hearing on Feb. 24, unless he posts $25,000 bond, Deputy District Attorney Sean Carney said.

Last month, Judge Antonio Baretto had agreed to allow Sizemore to travel to Cambodia to shoot a new film on condition that he pass a drug test every day prior to his departure.

Carney said the actor's failed attempt to fake his drug test results came on the first day of the new requirement.

The actor is required to undergo random drug tests as a condition of probation for his convictions on separate charges of methamphetamine possession and beating his ex-girlfriend, former Hollywood madam Heidi Fleiss.

During Thursday's proceedings, prosecutors told Judge Baretto that Sizemore failed three drug tests in three days, the first after he was caught using a fake penis sewn into his boxer shorts and filled with a clean urine sample kept warm by a heating pack.

Carney said the ruse was revealed when the temperature of the sample proved too cool to have come from Sizemore's body, and he was asked to remove his pants.

According to prosecutors, Sizemore had been caught once before trying to use a similar device, sold over the Internet under the brand name the Whizzinator, and had failed drug tests on at least five occasions.

Carney said two drug tests on the days following the fake penis incident showed Sizemore had methamphetamine in his system.

During the hearing, Sizemore's lawyer told the court that his client was destitute, living in a garage in Whittier, California, and that he was an expectant father, Carney told Reuters.

But Baretto told Sizemore that his drug use was "out of control," adding, "I had hoped and wanted to see a positive performance."

GNAA Announces a Tsunami of AIDS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669000)

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In other news... (2, Funny)

HouseOfMisterE (659953) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669002)

...Smoking cures cancer, too!

Re:In other news... (5, Funny)

bmongar (230600) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669135)

I prefer cancer cures smoking.

Re:In other news... (1)

dawnread (851254) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669170)

Yes, basically because the original guy had it all wrong and therefore his statement was nonsensical. With his 'joke', 'cancer cures cancer' would be just as appropriate.

Possible... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669005)

It will never see the light of market shelves ... (0)

Sonic McTails (700139) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669011)

The FDA will never let them release this as a drug because they'd be releasing another virus to fight cancer, and even if they did, there was still a chance the HIV could mutate, and then we'd have even more problems to deal with ...

Re:It will never see the light of market shelves . (1)

XMyth (266414) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669091)

Do all viruses mutate? I thought many did not...if some don't then couldn't this particular strand be modified so it doesn't mutate?

Just seems to me that if that were really a big problem they wouldn't even be working on this.

Re:It will never see the light of market shelves . (3, Interesting)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669152)

Genetically modified cells and viruses often mutate. scientists aren't certain, but they suspect that modification produces a less stable genetic code. But we are getting better at producing more robust modifications.

They do mutate a lot (2, Interesting)

aepervius (535155) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669165)

At least HIV mutate a lot, As Far As I Remmember. Also the cold virus (grippe?) mutate a lot this why you have to vaccinate every year AFAIR.
mutability of influenza []
some propaganda but also speaks of HIV mutability. [] I did not have time to search for more HIV article but google is your friend.

Re:It will never see the light of market shelves . (4, Insightful)

Fwonkas (11539) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669099)

Maybe I'm mistaken, but don't we use viruses as vectors all the time? Like in vaccines?

Re:It will never see the light of market shelves . (0, Troll)

bjwest (14070) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669114)

It doesn't mater what the FDA will or will not let them do. We will never see a cure for cancer - it makes them too much money treating it.

Pessimists are seldom the revolutionaries (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669191)

subject says it all

Re:It will never see the light of market shelves . (1)

IIEFreeMan (450812) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669124)

They would never allow any vaccine if they were that superficial ... I hope they just evaluate the benefit/risk ratio as they are supposed to.

Re:It will never see the light of market shelves . (1)

Jack Taylor (829836) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669126)

But seriously, if it was that or death by cancer, which would you choose? I think a lot of people would go with this in medical trials even if the FDA didn't pass it.

Re:It will never see the light of market shelves . (1)

mOdQuArK! (87332) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669128)

Dunno - if cancer victims knew that catching the mutated form of HIV might cure them, they might be rutting in the streets.

Re:It will never see the light of market shelves . (3, Insightful)

sameerdesai (654894) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669139)

Huh? And the flu shot you take is not a virus eh?

Re:It will never see the light of market shelves . (4, Insightful)

cluke (30394) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669145)

Are you for real? You think somebody is going to invent a cure for cancer, and the FDA would dare ban it? If you thought the black market for viagra was bad, it would be nothing on this.

Re:It will never see the light of market shelves . (2, Insightful)

Freexe (717562) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669148)

If you have inoperable brain cancer and given the option to die in about a month or a 1% chance at the treatment mutating into HIV...

Re:It will never see the light of market shelves . (2, Funny)

TechnoLust (528463) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669190)

What, like sexually transmitted cancer?

Re:It will never see the light of market shelves . (1)

metsu (601943) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669194)

the success of this new treatment does not depend on morals.
which is more profitable, short term cancer treatment or long term hiv(n' hybrids) treatment.

battlefield (1, Insightful)

SpongeBobLinuxPants (840979) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669013)

Do we really want to turn our bodies into a battlefield for germ warfare?

Re:battlefield (5, Insightful)

Ironsides (739422) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669030)

You assume it isn't already. Remember what White Bloodcells do? Along with anti-biotics and vacines? All this is doing is adding in another weapon to the arsenal.

Re:battlefield (1)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669061)

If I had an otherwise incurable form of cancer? Yes. Yes I would.

The simple answer (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669074)


Re:battlefield (1, Informative)

i (8254) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669081)

They are already.
The bacterias in our bodies outnumber the body cells.

Re:battlefield (4, Funny)

Quasar1999 (520073) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669086)

Do we really want to turn our bodies into a battlefield for germ warfare?

I ask myself that same question everytime I eat out... the answer is yes... yes I do... taco-hell is just too good to pass up, and the other germs I picked up from KFC and the chinese food place down the street will battle it out... ;)

Re:battlefield (5, Insightful)

imag0 (605684) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669097)

Do we really want to turn our bodies into a battlefield for germ warfare?

Yes. You better believe it.

After seeing my mother die from cancer I would give anything to make sure no one else would ever have to go through what me and my sister did.

In short, hell yeah. Bring it on.

Re:battlefield (2, Interesting)

Hyecee (809818) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669142)

I think the "slight" risk of contracting an incurable, terminal disease is worth the chance to be rid of an incurable, terminal disease. Really, what have you got to loose?

Re:battlefield (3, Interesting)

SpongeBobLinuxPants (840979) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669207)

At what cost to our bodies? Yes, there are germs in us all the time, having a common cold knocks you down for a few days, a stomache virus, a week, what would cancer and (modified) HIV duking it out do to us? Already some patients opt not to hace chemo and other treatments because of the toll it takes on them. They would rather live a better quality of life for 6 months than be sick from a threatment and live 12 months.

Re:battlefield (1)

Kplusplus (617856) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669205)

This reminds me of when Burns went to the doctor on the simpsons. He had every disease known to man, and all of them were so busy battling each other that he in turn was without detriment. Burns walked away with the idea that he was invincible despite what the doctor tried to say.

If I had to choose between HIV and carrots... (5, Funny)

RootsLINUX (854452) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669016)

I think I'd go with the carrots. I dunno, maybe I'm just weird.

Re:If I had to choose between HIV and carrots... (1)

SmokeHalo (783772) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669182)

At least now there's an alternative for those poor cancer-ridden souls who are allergic to carrots.

Beta Material (0, Troll)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669017)

When new treatments comes out, usually it has to go through the Drug administrations like 6x to see if it's $$$ profitable before it really reaches your local hospital.

HIV vs Cancer (5, Funny)

gbitten (306952) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669025)

The microscopic version of Alien Vs. Predator

Re:HIV vs Cancer (0, Offtopic)

prurientknave (820507) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669162)

Mod Parent up as funny :D

Let me guess... (2, Funny)

Capt'n Hector (650760) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669026)

The cure for HIV might be... Cancer?

Re:Let me guess... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669178)

The cure for HIV is $$$$$.

But just treating it is only $$$.

Now if only... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669027)

we could find a way to use SCO agianst the MPAA...

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I can hear the doc now... (4, Funny)

Faust7 (314817) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669032)

"I prescribe disease-riddled hookers. Take one after every meal."

Amazing! (3, Insightful)

The-Bus (138060) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669034)

I saw this on Google News this morning and wondered why Slashdot hadn't picked up on it already. As soon as I read the headline and the article, I began to wonder... How safe is this to do this research?

I'm not talking about the safety of recipients once this goes into the real-world (although that can be alarming), but about the research itself.

I'm pretty far removed from science in any practical setting, but what are the procedures for this kind of research? I've seen too many movies like 28 Days Later to not imagine some accident or oversight to cause some sort of mutant airborne HIV.

Also, does HIV even infect mice? I know there's a human/ape HIV and a feline HIV but I had not hear of mice HIV. Think of some sewer rat biting you...

That's just my mid-day alarmist self. Note I'm not against the research, just wondering about it...

Re:Amazing! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669115)

Feline HIV bears no resemblance to Simian HIV.

Re:Amazing! (1)

spleck (312109) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669153)

I assume that HIV doesn't infect mice in that it doesn't attack their immune systems. Considering this is an engineered HIV virus, its been programmed to seek out those cancer glycoproteins, no matter the host.

I think ideally, they would re-engineer FIV or some other non-human immunodeficiency virus to cure cancer with less risk of virus reactivation, etc.

Cheap Prescription Drugs (5, Funny)

kiwidefunkt (855968) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669035)

So when this hits the market, will HIV be cheaper in Canada than the US?

Re:Cheap Prescription Drugs (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669079)

I always thought it'd be cheaper in Mexico!

Montgomery Burns (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669037)

This is what is keeping Montgomery Burns alive -- the Three Stooges syndrome.

The Simpsons were ahead of their time -- (4, Funny)

oneiros27 (46144) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669157)

They predicted it 5 years ago --
Episode 238: The Mansion Family []
Meanwhile at the Mayo Clinic, Mr. Burns is told he has every disease known and unknown to man, it's just that they are all existing and trying to get through the door together in something the doctor's call "Three Stooges Syndrome". The doctors do warn him that a stiff breeze could kill him.

HIV and Carrots (4, Funny)

your_mother_sews_soc (528221) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669039)

I knew this girl in college that did amazing things with candles and vegetables, including carrots. I know for a fact she won't die of cancer. She OD'd in '86.

Does That Work Both Ways? (0, Troll)

CheeseburgerBlue (553720) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669045)

Can I smoke cigarettes as a form of birth control?

I need a handy disinformation pamphlet.

The best medicine to a headache... (0)

freedom_india (780002) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669055) guillotine. No head = No headache.

Re:The best medicine to a headache... (1)

genner (694963) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669088)

Doesn't work. Your head stays alive for a few seconds and boy does it hurt.

Just like the Simpsons (1, Funny)

dr_dank (472072) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669058)

After the gorillas kill the crabs sent to kill the herpes sent to kill the flu sent to kill the acne sent to kill the hiv sent to kill the cancer, they'll just freeze to death once winter comes.

2 for 1 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669063)

Sweet! I can smoke all the cigarettes I want. I just do a little heroin with dirty needles on the side to keep the cancer away.

Mabye (2, Interesting)

uberjoe (726765) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669068)

I guess as long as they take care of the immunodeficency part, that might not be so bad. Wouldn't want to live in a bubble now would we.

Great news except for this small fact... (2, Interesting)

CyberLord Seven (525173) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669083)

Shades of Andromeda Strain, this story =Aids&slug=New+HIV+strain+found+in+NY&id=68437&cal lid=1 [] implies that HIV is becoming stronger at a time when we want to spread it by calling it a cure. I guess if you die early of the new more virulent HIV then you don't have to worry about cancer.

This just in.... (0, Offtopic)

MrCobaltBlue (802735) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669084)

Next discovery is that Cancer cures HIV

and cancer is the cure for HIV... (1, Funny)

matt4077 (581118) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669085)

... no person that died of cancer ever died of hiv.


Admiration for Scientists (1, Insightful)

reporter (666905) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669090)

I greatly admire the scientists, doctors, and nurses who are pursing research to convert HIV into a cancer fighter. Such research is dangerous for the researchers because they are working with live HIV.

Even doctors and nurses who are not focused on research but who are focused on caring for HIV patients are, in my opinion, heros. They are willing to accept the risks that others shun. There have been occasional stories of nurses who accidentally prick themselves with needles used on HIV patients. Memory tells me that nurses dealing with high-risk patients are prescribed AZT in order to prevent infection. Can anyone confirm my memory?

So the next question is... (0, Redundant)

eth1 (94901) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669092)

Could mutated 'cancerous' immune system cells kill HIV?

I'm not gay (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669093)

I'm not gay, my cock sucking is for medicinal purposes only.

Would this spread? (1)

grahamsz (150076) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669101)

Would this new strain of HIV be infectious?

I'd presume it'd have to be. It must reproduce inside the body to hunt down and kill the cancer.

It'd probably also be a hard thing to sell, if you could get it by screwing someone else who had it.

Re:Would this spread? (5, Funny)

k96822 (838564) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669193)

Oh, great. If the future of medicine means that cures will be spread via sexual contact, I'm a dead man for sure!

Glow-in-the-dark AIDS (1)

flappinbooger (574405) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669103)

The scientists also inserted a glowing firefly protein into the virus to track its progress. They used a light-detection "cooled charged-coupled device," or CCCD, camera to look at the glowing protein inside live mice

Now they're just showing off.

New pick-up line(s) (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669107)

"Hey, Nice boots. Wanna fight cancer?"

Re:New pick-up line(s) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669143)

So sex * does* cure everything!

"Ahhh that's how it always starts. Then later..." (1)

MetaPhyzx (212830) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669109)

"People might wonder if it's scary to use HIV as a therapy," said Irving Chen, who led the UCLA team. "But in actuality we have completely removed 80 percent of the virus. So really it's just a carrier."

It' would be just our luck that in the remaining 20 percent lurks HIV"s ability to mutate and unleash some other horror. But hey, I guess turning one "enemy" of mankind against another enemy. I guess the guys working on this know the risks... so hey.

I hope this holds significant promise, but considering this on the heels of the resistant HIV strain discovered/found in New York recently, it's just not the right time for PR spin on virii...

Re:"Ahhh that's how it always starts. Then later.. (1)

dhakk (613823) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669172)

Using HIV's replication machinery as a vector seems risky to me as well. An adendovirus ended up deadly (1 person) as a vector in a previous trial. Imagine what could happen with a highly unreliable machinery like HIV has...

The enemy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669111)

The Enemy(HIV) of my Enemy(Cancer) is my friend???

Nothing new really (5, Informative)

FiReaNGeL (312636) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669117)

Gene therapy use lentivirus-based (HIV) vectors for quite some time now; it's nothing new really; a marketing team found the 'Cure Cancer with HIV!' twist interesting I guess.

When pseudotyped with the right envelope, these virus can infect efficiently any type of cell. They can also transduce non-dividing cells, which is usefull. They lack almost every gene of HIV; they retain certain structures which allow packaging of the genome in the virus and the viral promoter, but that's about it. Viruses are packaged in special cell lines containing the viral components on plasmids most of the time, and preparations are tested for recombinants. Its the best technology out there, but its nothing new, really.

Re:Nothing new really (0, Offtopic)

EmagGeek (574360) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669189)


Check you facts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669119)

Virus's are already used to fight cancer. They already usd a modified cold virus as well as a few other types. They modify the virus to only attack cancer cells and inject you. so the virus does what it does best, but only attacks cancer cells. To date they have only used virus's that cause only minor illnesses such as the cold virus, that way if it did mutate you would get a cold at worst, but the technology exists to modify a virus enough so that you cou;d use a more dangerous strain, by the way, i am a Bio-chemical engineer and do do such things for a living...

Check you gramm'er (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669195)

Jesus, dude, your spelling is *atrocious*. I don't know if I'd trust a cure from someone who can't spell.

skeptical (1)

to_kallon (778547) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669120)

they are already reporting success on living creatures
IANAB but scientists cured cancer in lab rats years (literally) ago. i'm not saying this isn't a breakthrough, but you need to take this news with a grain of salt.

An old phrase comes to mind (2, Insightful)

Marcus Erroneous (11660) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669123)

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" seems like a good fit in this instance. Then again, your mileage may vary.

Re:An old phrase comes to mind (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669208)

We see how well that worked with Bin Laden and Hussein...

I can see it now, we're gonna have preemptive strikes against the HIV Terrorists who literally live inside of us.

Cell picture (1)

RGautier (749908) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669127)

That will be an interesting cell picture - an HIV cell with a carrot cell attached to it...

Time to Market? (1)

Tal0n (695067) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669141)

Perhaps someone out there can provide some insight for those of us not in the know. Lets assume for a second that they reach an acceptable level of confidence that this turns out to be an effective strategy for battling Cancer (and also that they can ensure that the HIV virus doesn't harm the patient). How long does it generally take for a strategy such as this to reach Cancer patients (and i don't mean as test subjects)?

This just in... New Cure for cancer. (1)

Jacer (574383) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669150)

Death! That's right folks, those who die are 100% of the time spontaneously cured of all forms of cancer. Research suggests that death may also be the answer to several other of lifes problems, including but not limited to, Valentine's Day depression!

Amazing things can be done with retroviruses (3, Informative)

JoeBuck (7947) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669163)

Unlike "normal" viruses, retroviruses actually rewrite the DNA of the cells they infect. Perhaps some day you could be cured of a genetic defect by having a retrovirus rewrite the bad gene in every cell of your body, or at least enough cells to cure the disease.

On the other hand, HIV mutates very rapidly, so attempts to control the cure, say, by having it die off when there are no more defective genes to rewrite might well fail (as any viruses that mutate in a way to work around the die-off mechanism would reproduce rapidly).

I think the point of the article is... (1)

jamesbuko (840871) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669167)

they wont be able to find cure for cancer....ever

Brilliance? (5, Informative)

aprilsound (412645) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669169)

To mix this with the strategy of using one strong enemy against another is brilliance!
As others have said, it sounds potentialy dangerous (mutation et al), but the idea of using something bad to treat something else bad is by no means innovative. A few examples:

chemotherapy - is just poison. it works because the cancer cells absorb the poison much quicker than normal cells.

radiation therapy - again, radiation by itself is bad.

most over the counter acne treatments - are just some form or acid that kills the bacteria on the skin
As for reengineering a virus to take on something else, while facinating, its hardly a new idea. If you are interested in this sort of thing and haven't read Orson Scott Card's Xenocide [] (part of the Ender Series), you might check it out.

oh dear (2, Insightful)

St. Arbirix (218306) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669171)

Wired News has published that Scientists have successfully modified the AIDS-causing HIV in such a way that it can attack metasticized melanoma (cancer cells).

So "scientists" is capitalized now?

I guess that's fair, but not everyone believes in science so it might upset some people.

How to cure cancer in one easy step! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11669177)

"But Doc, how're we gonna get ridda this tumor?"

"Bend over, Billy. Bend over"

Oh the humanity... (1)

drunkennewfiemidget (712572) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669179)

I can see it now. New bar pick up lines:

"No baby, we don't need to use a rubber, I gots da ANECDOTE in there, baby!" *zip*


What would the evangelitcal Christans beleve. (1, Funny)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669181)

They loved to push HIV and Aids as a desease that God sent to punish the immoral. Now that it could be altered to fight canser, does it mean that God created the desease and made it spread so we can put a lot of resources at it and find a way to turn it into a force for good? God expecting us to do good things it seems a bit far fetch.

Mis-titled article (4, Informative)

rpdillon (715137) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669185)

I'm not too much in the know about bio-tech, but it seems that this HIV-transport-for-another-virus doesn't actually attack the cancer:

The researchers programmed the altered virus package to attack a protein on the cancer cell surface called p-glycoprotein, which causes problems in cancer patients by shuttling cancer drugs away from the cell. In other words, p-glycoprotein causes resistance to cancer medication. Scientists could customize the system to target any protein on the surface of a cell, Chen said. He and his colleagues have seen success with about a dozen different molecules, including brain and other blood cells, he said.

Except for the last sentence, it makes it seem as though this is only a way to pave the way for more conventional treatments. The last sentence doesn't make sense to me, given the context. I can understand how the proteins on the surface of a cell could qualify as "molecules", but then the structure of the sentence makes it seem like they're calling brain and blood cells molecules:

He and his colleagues have seen success with about a dozen different molecules, including brain and other blood cells, he said.

I'm still waiting for a virus that attacks the actual cancer cells. I remember hearing something about it a while back, but then it seemed to die off. Anyone been following it?

ob. simpsons reference (3, Funny)

supersuckers (841107) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669186)

Doctor: Here's the door to your body, see? [bring up some small
fuzz balls with goofy faces and limbs from under the desk]
And these are oversized novelty germs. [points to a
different one up as he names each disease] That's
influenza, that's bronchitis, [holds up one] and this cute
little cuddle-bug is pancreatic cancer. Here's what
happens when they all try to get through the door at once.
[tries to cram a bunch through the model door. The
"germs" get stuck]
[Stooge-like] Woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo! Move it,
[normal voice] We call it, "Three Stooges Syndrome."
Burns: So what you're saying is, I'm indestructible!
Doctor: Oh, no, no, in fact, even slight breeze could --
Burns: Indestructible.

Hmm.... (1)

JessLeah (625838) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669192)

Let's beta test this! You go first. ;)

Nothing To See Here... (1, Interesting)

tilleyrw (56427) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669204)

The Medical Indu$try in America is founded upon the idea of maintain a large pool of "sick" people.

  1. Without sick people buying medicines, there is no Profit.
  2. These medicines are only sufficiently effective to "ease" the trauma of the patients.
  3. These medicines will never cure the patients as such removes the profit margin.
  4. Therefore, the patients buy more and more "medicine", just to feel less sick.
  5. The Medical Indu$try PROFITS.

End of story.

Ridiculous Theory (1)

dawnread (851254) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669213)

So to make sure that everyone becomes immune to cancer, they purposely 'infect' a few hot guys and chicks with this new HIV and tell them (and all the general public) to go out and get fscking!!

If they are sucessfull.. (0, Redundant)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 9 years ago | (#11669217)

that would be the first sexually transmitted cure?
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