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Nokia To Use Microsoft Digital Music Software

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the battle-lines dept.

Media 180

BCMM writes "From an article on Reuters: 'The world's largest mobile phone maker, Nokia, and software giant Microsoft struck a deal on Monday to make it easier for consumers to buy digital music on-line and play it back on their handsets ... Nokia agreed to put Microsoft's music player software into its handsets.'" (The BBC covers the deal as well.) "The articles don't mention what sort of DRM or licensing will be involved." jfanning writes "Two new Series 60 phones were also announced that ship soon and support WMA, the 6680 and 6681. I haven't seen it mentioned clearly yet, but also the Media Transfer Protocol has been licenced, so that could mean the phone will show up as a media device in Windows Media 10." jfanning mentions also that Nokia has licensed the Microsoft Exchange Server ActiveSync protocol for business phones.

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FP valentines day hihi (-1, Flamebait)

Auritribe (856763) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670096)

Stupid Nokia, T-Mobile is better. Happy Valentines Day and First post.

Re:FP valentines day hihi (1)

dextroz (808012) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670137)

Yo! And happy us too!

With MS security, that much time is saved till a crack turns up :->

Re:FP valentines day hihi (0, Redundant)

Mr.Mysteriosity (750547) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670259)

T-Moblie = Carrier
Nokia = Cell Phone Manufacturer.

Happy Valentines to you too baby ;-*

Re:FP valentines day hihi (0, Redundant)

Auritribe (856763) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670311)

noooooooo ; ; Stupid first posts... >.> hate you all.

HAPPY VALENTINE'S DAY YOU COCKSUCKING FAGS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11670097)

don't forget your heart-shaped AZT candies

In other news (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11670113)


SonyEriccsson reported sales increases of its handsets rose

Re:In other news (1)

coolcold (805170) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670736)

SonyEriccsson reported sales increases of its handsets rose

Apart from 6680 and 6681

Re:In other news (1)

Eric_Cartman_South_P (594330) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670742)

SonyEriccsson reported sales increases of its handsets rose

Wow! The sales increased, and THEN the "sales increases" themselves rose? That would definately fall into the catagory of DoublePlusGood(TM).

Yay! WMA on my phone! (5, Funny)

Augusto (12068) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670114)

Now I can unwittingly download the latest spyware!

Re:Yay! WMA on my phone! (2, Funny)

donbrock (705779) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670150)

Luckily, I have a Samsung.

Re:Yay! WMA on my phone! (3, Funny)

plover (150551) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670372)

Not in Europe. The EU is likely to force them to ship WiMP-free phones.

They'll probably be marketed as "Microsoft Reduced Ring-Tone Phones"

OGG still sounds better... (1)

zev1983 (792397) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670115)

And DRM still sucks.

Re:OGG still sounds better... (1)

gnuman99 (746007) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670581)

And carbs are better for you than fat. Yet, loook at the "carbs are bad for you, eat grilled crap" diet.

...so run Ogg on your series-60 (2, Interesting)

sopuli (459663) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670852)

Right here [sourceforge.net] . Works nicely on the SX1 stereo headset.

Motorola & Apple (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11670130)

Make it easier for consumers to buy digital music on-line and play it back on their handsets?

Somehow I doubt it will be easier than iTunes, and since Motorola allready teamed up with Apple's iTunes...

Where's my stream? (5, Interesting)

EspressoMachine (815675) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670142)

I want my mobile to be able to stream music. And for that matter, I also want my car stereo to be able to receive streaming audio. Downloading is so yesterday, who wants to pay per song? As a Rhapsody subscriber, I'd love to access my playlists through my phone or my car - Get on it, guys!

Duh (5, Funny)

dsmitchell1 (720633) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670368)

Your car already has streaming audio. It's called radio!

Re:Duh (1, Interesting)

EspressoMachine (815675) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670457)

You still listen to radio?

Given the choice between Clear Channel's playlist and my own, I think I'll take mine, but thanks anyway.

Re:Duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11670649)

I don't know which is worse. Buffering...buffering...buffering or commercials and the same 20 songs all the time.

Re:Where's my stream? (1)

emars (142040) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670433)

I totally agree.. To some extent you CAN stream to certain cellphones now, such as ones that can run Real Player (I believe) from Nokia [realnetworks.com] . Also, the Treo 600 can stream SHOUTcast. I've never had one of these devices to try it for myself, but I think it's possible.

I set up my own SHOUTcast server over my crappy DSL and use it to stream all my music so I can listen at work... I (and others) can request songs over instant messenger.. I would love to be able to listen to my shizznit in the car or anywhere using my phone. Sign me up.

Re:Where's my stream? (2, Interesting)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670515)

umts + laptop and you'll have it(or whatever it is thats the fastspeed network where you live).

or just edge.

and just the phone if you do some creative coding(s60 is open so far after all for you, me and anybody to write on).

Re:Where's my stream? (2, Informative)

javaxman (705658) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670743)

I want my mobile to be able to stream music

As much as they'd like to be able to eventually sell this service, I'm not sure most cell phone companies want you to stay on the phone _quite_ so constantly. Their networks depend on the fact that not everyone is using their phones at once. A single cell tower can support only so many callers. Ever try to make a call in an area where you know you can get service and not be able to connect? Until that problem goes away, you won't see the streaming service... not from the carriers, anyway.

They are working on it, of course... eventually, as long as folks lobbying against cell tower density don't get their way...

Interesting (5, Interesting)

Joshua53077 (849570) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670145)

It does make sense that the media companies (i.e. MS, Apple, Napster, etc.) are trying to lock up license agreements with cell phone makers but why wouldn't these companies go after the cell phone providers instead? I mean, if Apple came up with an agreement with Verizon to be their exclusive provider of music, wouldn't it force the cell phone makers to engineer apple's DRM and iTunes into their future phones? And put another way, if I were a cell phone carrier, wouldn't I want a piece of the action and the opportunity to control media standards?

Re:Interesting (1)

SpaceLifeForm (228190) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670267)

Oh great, you've given them ideas now. Next thing you know, the provider will call you, put you on hold (listening to music that you must pay for), and you won't be able to hang up!

Thanks a lot.

Well my other idea was... (3, Funny)

Joshua53077 (849570) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670304)

a huge 80's style boom box/cell phone that the kids could carry on their shoulders and they could blast their newly purchased music or their phone call, so be thankful I only floated the first idea. :-P

Re:Interesting (1)

Donny Smith (567043) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670393)

>I mean, if Apple came up with an agreement with Verizon to be their exclusive provider of music

Why would Verizon want to sign such an agreement with **Apple**? Cut out the middleman, I says.

>wouldn't it force the cell phone makers to engineer apple's DRM and iTunes into their future phones?

That seems to be likely and that is why Verizon wouldn't want to have Apple as an exclusive provider - that would automatically make all of their (multimedia-capable) phones more expensive (for the amount of royalties given to Apple and Apple's cut on each and every song sold/rented/streamed).

> if I were a cell phone carrier, wouldn't I want a piece of the action and the opportunity to control media standards?

It's of course very attractive but at the same time it's expensive to play such games.... If you screw up, say goodbye to hundreds of millions of dollars.
Carriers are already in deep shite with all those billions sunk on stupid 3G licenses that will have been rendered almost useless by Wi-Max, WLAN, Skype and such...

Re:Interesting (1)

eseiat (650560) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670611)

Why would Verizon want to sign such an agreement with **Apple**? Cut out the middleman, I says.

While it would seem to make more sense for a company like Verizon to go straight to the source for the music, it would also be easier and more lucrative to utilize someone like Apple or Napster or Microsoft, who already have licenses with all the major and a good deal of the minor records labels, for their services. It's all about marketing and when consumers think of online music purchases they are immediately drawn to a branded name such as iTunes or Napster, not to the record label since that is not the type of marketing that the record label itself is looking for in the public image.

Record labels make all their money by promoting an artist, who might flaunt their label a bit, but they predominantly stay back in the shadows.

CUM MUFFIN (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11670146)

i will blowW a load of hott MAN BUTTER all over your SEXY, CELL PHONE SHAPED BODY

windows IS R0xx0R!

Crashes.... (3, Interesting)

FalconZero (607567) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670153)

Nokia is a type of PHONE
T-Mobile is a type of NETWORK
Sheessh - If you're gonna make up random things to get FP, at least make them vaugley techincally correct.

Anyway... As for Nokia - The rest of my devices running MS stuff crash - Why Oh Why would I want my phone to crash as well??? I can just see it now. "Hello Bob, I need you to look up error code 61023... Bob? Bob?... damn - my phone's rebooted."

Re:Crashes.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11670594)

Why Oh Why would I want my phone to crash as well???
I've never have a Nokia phone crash but Motorola phones crash all the time. I had a 720i that locked up about once a month. I now have a v600 that also locks up a lot. The only way to fix it is to remove the battery and put it back in.

Re:Crashes.... (1)

SteveX (5640) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670682)

I had a Nokia 3650 that crashed on me every few days.

Re:Crashes.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11670767)

I second that. My Nokia 3650 crashes much more than windows!!

Stupid Symbian... :(

Re:Crashes.... (1)

don.g (6394) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670734)

Well, actually:

Nokia is one of many manufacturers of phones
T-Mobile owns a GSM cellular network in the US (and presumably more elsewhere)

In Other News... (3, Funny)

bigtallmofo (695287) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670161)

Motorola has announced that they have signed a deal with Microsoft to implement the stunningly successful Microsoft Bob into their new line of phones.

Because after all, we all love... (5, Insightful)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670165)

> struck a deal on Monday to make it easier for consumers to buy digital music on-line and play it back on their handsets ...

...aah, in rapture to Beethoven's Ninth, compressed to a 32kbps mono .WMV, gloriously rendered on a tinny piezoelectric speaker.

Turning phones into music rental devices seems to fall under the "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should" category.

Even if you stuck a headphone jack into your phone to get around the shitty piezo speaker problem, consider that if you actually plan to use your phone for something (oh, I don't know, say, talking on it?), why would you want to wear down its battery by playing music on it?

Re:Because after all, we all love... (1)

athakur999 (44340) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670252)

There's this neat thing called a "battery charger" that comes with most phones. The battery life of most mobile phones is more than sufficient for most people (meaning the length of time they do not have access to their charger). Why not not make something you carry most of the time more useful?

I use my mobile phone to play music when I go to the gym. This way I only have one thing to deal with instead of having to deal with a seperate music player.

Re:Because after all, we all love... (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670430)

Yeah, my phone battery life is fine too, as long as I don't actually talk on the phone. If I actually use the phone much, then I need to recharge it.

WTF is the point of having something that's "mobile" if you have to drag around a battery charger just to use it? The last thing I need is a phone that's dead after 1 day just because I forgot to put it on the charger for one night. Or worse, dies just before I need to make a call because I played music on it all day at work.

Most MP3 players don't have such a problem with battery life, but then again they're a lot bigger than my phone, and consequently have much larger batteries.

When they finally come up with a solution to the battery life problem, then maybe we can think about combining more functions into one device.

Re:Because after all, we all love... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11670578)

If I actually use the phone much, then I need to recharge it.

Did it occur to you that it's actually the radio transmission that's sucking power, not the sound production? Given that, time spent playing music should drain the battery much more slowly than time spent talking on the phone.

Me, I don't even carry a cell phone. I hate the little fuckers.

Re:Because after all, we all love... (1)

ad0gg (594412) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670375)

Turning phones into music rental devices seems to fall under the "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should" category.

I bet you said the same thing about cameras in phones. The market is now consoldating personal gadgets, we got phones, cameras(now even decent cameras), pdas combining together. There's alreay phones on the market that can accept flash cards and play mp3s, combine that the dropping price of flash storage and you have a good market.

BTW. There's a few services that you "rent" music that are doing very very well. Have you heard of XM and Sirius? People paying $10 to $13 for the right to recieve broadcasted songs. People are willing to pay for the right to listen to music something slashbotters haven't come to grasp yet.

Re:Because after all, we all love... (1)

jridley (9305) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670700)

I bet you said the same thing about cameras in phones.
I still do say the same thing about cameras in phones. And color screens on phones for that matter.

I dropped my cellphone contract a few months ago. If I ever have to get one and can't get a phone without all that crap in it, I'll probably just give up and decide I don't really need a phone, anyway.

Re:Because after all, we all love... (1)

fleaboy (657517) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670819)

I suppose that if my life was so sorely miserable that living were something I wanted to block out, then I wouldn't move the next time the current marketing machine crapped out their next redundant technology at me. The masses make me grateful every time they defend the system that is laughing at their consumers every time they exclaim "don't think, shut up and buy something"

Re:Because after all, we all love... (3, Informative)

tongue (30814) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670397)


Even if you stuck a headphone jack into your phone to get around the shitty piezo speaker problem, consider that if you actually plan to use your phone for something (oh, I don't know, say, talking on it?), why would you want to wear down its battery by playing music on it?


Yeah, actually, not only would i, but I've been screaming for the ability to do so for years. Now I can stick a miniSD card into my cell phone and have a small "emergency supply" of music on hand whenever I need it, without having to carry around an extra gadget. And not only can I play Beethoven's 9th in 32kb mono wma, but also in 192kb vorbis, 128kb wma, and anything in between if i so choose. Not to mention the ability to put videos on my phone--now if i can just get tivo to let me store as wm10 content i can watch 24 on my phone as well.

As for the charging, the engineers made a very wise decision in allowing the phone to charge over USB, so when i hook it up to sync to my desktop, its also charging for me, which means I only have to carry around a small USB cable instead of a whole charger, and i can charge off anything with a USB port, even if the phone's software isn't installed on the computer. hell, i can even charge off linux. :)

(for those wondering, the phone in question is the Audiovox SMT5600, not the nokias mentioned above, but the same principles apply.)

Re:Because after all, we all love... (1)

IWantMoreSpamPlease (571972) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670871)

... Now I can stick a miniSD card into my cell phone and have a small "emergency supply" of music on hand whenever I need it...

Are you so hard up for music that you need an "emergency supply" with you? ...damn hoss.

Re:Because after all, we all love... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11670923)

now if i can just get tivo to let me store as wm10 content i can watch 24 on my phone as well

i just use .mpg right now, all the 8/900 sony erriccsons support mpg2/4 (presume the MS devices do too) or this tool [makayama.com] rips them down to size (or straight off the DVD), the p900-910i supports 1gb mem sticks too, so room for a few vids and some mp3's (can you wait for the HD version mmm :)

video and mp3's, everybody (crapGRPRS,iMode,3G,4G) is doing it, the only thing that sucks is the quality (its not the best of fun viewing 2" movies at 15+-fps) and battery life is harsh but technology is bound to improve those

-AJ

Cellphone rage (1)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670401)

Alex: No. No! NO! Stop it! Stop it, please! I beg you! This is sin! This is sin! This is sin! It's a sin, it's a sin, it's a sin!

Dr. Brodsky: Sin? What's all this about sin?

Alex: That! Using Ludwig van like that! He did no harm to anyone. Beethoven just wrote music!


And "La Cucaracha" in polyphonic clarity!

Re:Because after all, we all love... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11670545)

"Turning phones into music rental devices seems to fall under the "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should" category. "

Actually yes, it does. MP3 players and phones are both portable, both share a lot of electronic components and are both utilised by the same parts of the body (hands and ears - mouth if you sing along to MP3s, but hey). It makes sense to converge these.

In fact, it will solve one of my biggest annoyances; why the heck hasn't someone developed a bluetooth headset that works as wired headphones? When an incoming call arrives, it could fade the music out while you talk, and fade it back in afterwards. Perfect!

Re:Because after all, we all love... (4, Interesting)

skubeedooo (826094) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670663)

When I'm listening to my mp3 player, i can't hear my phone ring. And i can't feel it vibrate because it's usually in my bag (i don't like leaving it in my pocket all the time). This obviously causes a problem, because if i'm expecting a call then i have to not listen to music, and if i'm not expecting a call then i'll probably miss it.

And regarding batteries, i have a charger at home and at work. Most of my friends have nokia phone chargers. If listening to music through my phone reduces the battery to, say, 5 hours, then i probably won't care.

I find it really bizarre how the slashdot community has so many neo-luddites. Just because this technology is not perfectly set up for how YOU listen to music, or how YOU use your phone, it doesn't mean it isn't good for others. Sometimes i get the feeling that my grandparents are more adaptable to change than the average slashdot reader.

Re:Because after all, we all love... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11670777)

I find it really bizarre how the slashdot community has so many neo-luddites.

I've noticed this too, increasingly ("who needs that"), and I think it is a generation thing. People get stuck with the ideas and habits they grow up with, and defends it against all the silly new things. But is especially funny to watch a place like Slashdot, with so much leet people :) walk into the same trap.

Re:Because after all, we all love... (1)

fleaboy (657517) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670915)

Hey you! Up on the mount, afraid to post with your name? That afraid to stand up for what you believe in? If I were like you I would have committed suicide long ago. Have a nice day-anonomous COWARD

Re:Because after all, we all love... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11670817)

Sometimes i get the feeling that my grandparents are more adaptable to change than the average slashdot reader.

Make that the "average slashdot poster and I would agree with you. There are plenty of intelligent people who just read, don't post.

Damn, I just excluded myself.

Re:Because after all, we all love... (1)

skubeedooo (826094) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670877)

Yeah, well i was thinking that myself, but then i realised that it had been modded +5, so it is at least posters and modders.

People that buy these... (4, Insightful)

Sheetrock (152993) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670176)

Are definitely into it for the gadgetry rather than the purpose. Unfortunately, that serendipity in addition to the average longevity of cellular hardware and batteries in general contributes to a major environmental problem.

Granted, the manufacturing processes have gotten better, or at least have been outsourced to other countries, but we desparately need to find a way to extend the life of old electronics and recycling components in order to develop a environmentally-safe and sustainable electronic culture.

Re:People that buy these... (1)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670801)

Wasn't that quote from Yoda? And Spock from Star Trek was never a doctor. Dr. Spock was a child psychologist.

Either your sig is stunningly brilliant or stupid. I can't decide which.

du-du-du ... dudu! (1)

zaubermantel (837400) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670178)

Just wait till Microsoft trademarks a ringtone that you can't change. Or maybe it will just be Bill Gates cackling like a maniac.

Monkey Boy (1)

gandell (827178) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670265)

Nah...

I'd rather have the audio from the Monkey Boy Dance playing when someone annoying calls me. "Give it up for me!"

Too much of even a good thing makes you barf. (4, Insightful)

nomad63 (686331) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670186)

I am talking about consolidation here. You consolidate your PDA with your phone. Fine. It was a wise move not to carry two separate address/phone books. It was vital and trivial decision for the business minded. But Music on my phone at the same time in return for a M$ DRM installed on my phone ? I don't know how'bout you but I do not feel my contacts staying secure after some piece of micro$oft code placed in my phone.
Obviously this unti is going to be targetted at the college kids but, how many college kids have the money to throw away on DRM'ed song downloading anyway.
In my opinion, this is going to be another one of Nokia's flops.

Re:Too much of even a good thing makes you barf. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11670455)

(Score: +5, Childish "Micro$oft" name calling)

(Score: +5, Believing that music DRM will infect your contacts list)

Re:Too much of even a good thing makes you barf. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11670910)

I hope it will be. I really don't like WMA, especielly DRM-crapped WMA.

Now... (2, Insightful)

CapnGrunge (233552) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670201)

Clueless cellphone users will add to clueless computer users for us to deal with.

Microsoft? Open Standards? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11670204)

Microsoft will introduce open standards for digital music compression and piracy protection in its Media Players for personal computers

HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! (sniff - wipes tears from eyes)
Microsoft supporting open standards. (snort) Now, that's funny!

Re:Microsoft? Open Standards? (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670481)

You're missing something: they're using Microsoft's definition of "open". It's much like how Microsoft's definition of "innovate" really means "copy someone else's idea and add some proprietary crap to it, then claim it was our idea all along"; the MS definition of "open" means "open APIs to our closed and proprietary libraries and programming interfaces, so that you can be locked into our platform."

Re:Microsoft? Open Standards? (1)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670567)

M$ version of O.P.E.N source.

Ok
Programmers
Engineer for
Nothing

Do I get a refund (2, Insightful)

sulli (195030) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670207)

if I just keep the damn thing on vibrate all the time? I hate those )(@#&@!#@!#& ringtones.

Missing Sync (4, Interesting)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670225)

Palm also licensed the MS ActiveSync (Outlook/Exchange protocol). Now Nokia. How does an open source project, like Open-Xchange [open-xchange.org] , license a product like that? Beyond the legal issues of GPL on software that depends on a (very) proprietary license (which can be overcome by partitioning the licensed SW over IPC APIs), how does the project negotiate with MS, and be trusted to honor the agreement? How to pay? If this is all doable, what are we waiting for?

Missing SynCE (1)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670604)

what about synce [sourceforge.net] ?

Did Nokia just get ripped off?

Re:Missing SynCE (2, Interesting)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670687)

SynCE is a way to synchronize your WinCE device's native PIM databases with a Linux (or unixlike) computer. It does not let you sync, say, Evolution, to, say, MS Exchange. That's what the ActiveSync protocol lets you do. Even if SynCE was a GPL version of ActiveSync, MS frequently changes their protocols (eg. driving Samba developers insane); the license means the protocol updates will be shared with the licensee, while SynCE users can get left behind until a developer re-reverse engineers the protocols.

big freagin deal (1)

fribhey (731586) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670264)

i stopped using nokia a long time ago because of their craptastic phones. maybe that's why microsoft struck a deal with them, now when the software crashed they can just blame nokia.

It's not just Microsoft doing this (4, Interesting)

Buran (150348) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670283)

... and why doesn't the story reflect that? Motorola reportedly showed off their new iTunes-compatible phone today, too!

The dirt on the Motorola E1060 - Engadget - www.engadget.com [engadget.com]

the only way i'd even consider it (1)

fishyfool (854019) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670292)

is if i could stream my Phone Music to my car stereo while it was on the car charger via radio waves.

Well, yes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11670301)

I mean, who else is aggressively trying to sell themselves in this area? Besides Microsoft there really aren't any alternatives. I mean, there's MPEG4, the MPEG4 vendors are still stuck back in the dark ages where consumer devices were built with the interests of consumers in mind, not the interests of large media companies, so no one's interested; and Microsoft's got a lot of cash from other areas to throw into beating MPEG4 in readiness to market, whereas MPEG4 companies have to survive off their own money, so they've been stuck at the speed of capitalism (slow).

Microsoft is going to continue to snap up every single contract in this area until there's nothing left to snap up because there's no one else to buy from.

I realize what Apple thinks they're doing in not trying to market Quicktime+Fairplay, but in reality all they're doing is allowing Microsoft to fence them in to an "iPods and nothing else" niche while soon, if you are anyone but Apple and you want to sell a device that works with audio or video, you will have to pay a tithing to Microsoft for their codecs.

Re:Well, yes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11670685)

I mean, who else is aggressively trying to sell themselves in this area?

From The Register:
RealNetworks has relaxed commercial license terms to encourage more device makers to support its technology, which would in turn widen the potential customer-base for its content services. [theregister.com] [...] RealNetworks hopes that device makers and their software development partners will continue to take the single package. Nokia, for instance, this week upgraded its licence to take in Helix DNA Player, ensuring future Series 60 and Series 80 phones will play a range of audio and video content - not just the RealVideo material that the likes of the 6600 can only handle today.

Drivers and Drivers (4, Funny)

Stanistani (808333) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670308)

*Press One to Download Drivers*
Beeep
*Press Two to sync device with server*
Meeep
*Look up to avoid crashing into large truck*
Yaaaaaaagggh!
*crunch*

Re:Drivers and Drivers (1)

Angostura (703910) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670399)

Made me laugh. Thanks

Spywares (3, Funny)

michelcultivo (524114) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670322)

When I go to download there will be that screen asking me to click on "Yes" to install the application? Yeah, that application signed by Verisign :)

Prayers answered (0, Flamebait)

Badly Configured (231381) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670338)

Finally something sensible. I refuse to buy yet another computer (Mac) download music and carry yet another gadget (iPod) to play it. But if I can use the existing PC and the phone that I would carry anyway for the same purposes, I'm ready to stop inserting CDs into the stereo and join the downloading mania.

The same goes for the Exchange-Nokia integration. My mail happens to be on Exchange (at home too, so flame me) and I should be able to access my calendar, address book and mail from the one mobile device that I have in my pocket. There is no way I would carry around another paperweight (Blackberry) for this, and anything that does not update appointments on the go is totally useless.

Yes, it is two evil corporations getting together but it is what I have prayed for.

Re:Prayers answered (1)

OS24Ever (245667) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670442)

You need a stand alone computer to download music too then sync it to an iPod? The one I use to do everything else works for this feature just fine, and isn't limited to the Mac platform though that is my platform of choice at the moment and for teh forseeable future.

I guess my concern is battery life. All these extra gidgets on my phone make the battery shorter because of all the gizmos. Something has to power up the storage in the phone whether I use it or not, and has to power the fancier sound speaker that is 100s of times better than the phone system that carries my signal.

I don't mean to sound like a grumpy old man here but the rush to converge everything without improving the power consumption/storage device just makes me that much more reliant on standing next to a pillar in an airport fending off other for the one power outlet within 500 ft.

I mean the iPod has a 40GB drive in my latest model and I can't get anywhere near the 12 hours it advertised (sometimes I wonder if it is 12 hours frmo when you unplug it from the charger whether you use it or not) but then most of my songs are around 224 AAC instead of 128 AAC so maybe that has something to do with the battery life.

Re:Prayers answered (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11670492)

iTunes is available for Windows, too, you know.

Apple doesn't offer anything like Exchange, but I'm told by Apple fanboys that Micro$uck Exchange is teh suck adn IMAP is teh bettar so I don't expect them to match Exchange with anything.

Re:Prayers answered (3, Interesting)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670522)

Why would you need to buy another computer? iTunes and iPods work fine on Windows or reasonably well on Linux. Fair enough if you don't want to buy an iPod - why not just rip the songs to MP3 and put them on your phone? Then you don't need to go paying again for music you own. If you really want to pay for downloads rather than hard copies you can also use hymn to strip the DRM from legally purchased iTunes songs which can then be used with any standard FairPlay-incapable MP4 software that'll run on Symbian on your phone, without any restriction hassle.

I'd like to know if there's anything I've missed here, but if I were you I wouldn't be giving my money or approval to a big evil setup designed to make the big bosses richer while giving you less rights.

Re:Prayers answered (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11670585)

You probably want to look into a Windows Mobile smartphone. Microsoft knows thats what a lot of people want, so their product is geared towards synching with Outlook (either over the air, or via a desktop).

Unlike what you hear around here, Microsoft knows what they are doing.

Re:Prayers answered (1)

SlightlyOldGuy (805345) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670865)

"My mail happens to be on Exchange (at home too,so flame me)"
OK, I'll bite. Is your Exchange server properly licenced and paid for?

The Meme to Propogate (2, Interesting)

ewhac (5844) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670411)

Nokia recognized that phones are not exactly what you'd call "high-end audiophile" equipment. Further, there is a lot of downward price pressure on phone manufacturing costs (mostly from the service providers, whose heavy discounts on phone handsets are easily noticed on their books by Wall Street analysts). Hence, you're not likely to see quality audio coming out of a phone soon, since few organizations will be willing to pay the extra engineering and manufacturing costs to put that quality into the phone in the first place.

So, realizing this, Nokia understood that putting in support for AAC or MP3-Pro or Ogg Vorbis or any other high-quality audio standard was fairly pointless, since phones are physically incapable of reproducing their dynamic range. They wanted an audio format equal to the platform on which it would be running. Hence, Windows Media.

Everyone knows Windows Media looks and sounds very poor but, on a cheap phone with low-quality sound hardware, you'd never be able to tell. So Windows Media is the obvious choice for "toy" audio applications.

If you want quality audio, however, then you'll have to get a decent piece of audio hardware that supports quality codecs.

Schwab

Re:The Meme to Propogate (1)

LourensV (856614) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670694)

But people care much more for popularity than for quality. They'd rather have the latest Britney Spears in DRMmed mono WMV than $unknown_band's latest in unencumbered 4-channel Ogg Vorbis. And they're not going to get the latest Britney Spears unless her record company trusts the format. Hence, not MP3, and not the evil open source Ogg Vorbis. I bet WMV is cheaper to licence than AAC.

Re:The Meme to Propogate (1)

amliebsch (724858) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670905)

Huh? I can accept criticism for DRM, for proprietariness, for lock-in marketing...but in fair bit-rate-for-bit-rate comparisons I've found WM video and audio to be pretty damn good. And why wouldn't it be? As far as I understand, it's only slightly modified MPEG-4.

Must have got it real cheap (1)

edxwelch (600979) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670446)

Nokia created Symbian to prevent Microsoft putting the windows tax on mobiles, so I can imagine that the licence must have been pretty cheap. Most people don't use MP3s anyways, so it's not exactly a killer feature.

These Are Two Phones... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11670475)

I will definately not purchase.

Can't wait for Side-Scratchin' (1)

sharkey (16670) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670518)

The Portable DJ mod is going to be killer!

What will it do really well? (4, Insightful)

Perl-Pusher (555592) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670536)

So they have a phone that can play windows media, does it do it well? For what purpose would I want this? My daughter has a phone that takes pictures, real crappy pictures. She's always using my digital camera, so she must think so too.

My daughters and I have iPods, we connect them to our car stereos, the home stereo, manage it with our computer and I even use it to play music in between sets in my band. What advantage would there be having a cellphone play music? What happens if a call comes in while attached to my PA system? I'm sorry but I want device that does it's main function really well, not a bunch of mediocre features slapped together in a phone.

Re:What will it do really well? (1)

t_allardyce (48447) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670943)

I agree, certainly with digital cameras that also play mp3s - thats just a stupid combo. But mobile phones are quickly becoming the modern urban Swiss army knife. they are so small, most people don't so much as take the rubbish out without theirs. They have already become most peoples' 3rd essential item, only your wallet and keys are more important when you're out and about and phones will probably replace those for some people quite soon.

Instead, why not ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11670548)

... buy a Archos Gmini XS-200 [archos.com] instead. It has 20GB HD, fits in your palm, has no DRM and sells for around $200. Great sound too.

By buying products with DRM you are actually paying fees to MS thus helping MS to spread DRM. Instead, invest the money into a bigger HD, I'd suggest.

yay for ubiquitous (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11670586)

crashy computing

the revolution is here. as soon as it's done rebooting.

Thank you! (2, Insightful)

pair-a-noyd (594371) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670608)

Now I know which mobile phone NOT to buy when I ever do switch service.
I wish someone would publish a list of the popular carriers, the models they sell and the OS the different models use.

great! (1)

fleaboy (657517) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670676)

The computer, the car, the house, and now the phone-I wonder when the total reboot-software will be available? Then I'll be able to reboot all of the crappy systems at once. Sure you can trust the government, just ask the Indians

In other news... (0, Troll)

Eric_Cartman_South_P (594330) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670680)

Eric_Cartman_South_P continues to not buy Nokia phones.

As an ex-employee (-1, Flamebait)

szo (7842) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670722)

I only have to say: up yours, nokia.

Szo

Oh I'm so excited! (1)

museumpeace (735109) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670726)

Now I can get acoustic neuroma [cbsnews.com] run up my cell phone minutes, make Mr Gates even richer yet and hear my favorite songs reproduced with truely hideous sound quality while my hand and neck cramp up as I strain to use a device with the ergonomics of a brick. Whoopee for Billy ... won't make a nickle off of me. and my damn NOK is still 30% underwater.

Re:Oh I'm so excited! (1)

t_allardyce (48447) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670782)

COUGH
erm.. im pretty sure it will have head-phones and the sound quality of any current mini mp3 player. But yes, the phone industry is about making obscene amounts of money off of your investment (comms equipment) without actually doing much.

As long as it plays mp3's and connects directly to my PC i don't care.

Makes sense (1)

m50d (797211) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670783)

Say what you want, but seriously, nothing beats WMA on quality for really tiny files. Which is what I imagine you tend to put on these phones, given how little storage they have. Seriously, try getting a 3-minute song down to 1mb with any other codec and see if it's still listenable. Because with wma it is - just, but it is.

MS using AAC per article (No WMA?) (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11670804)

From the article: In its audio player, Microsoft will introduce the open AAC format that shrinks audio files, as well as anti-piracy software from the Open Mobile Alliance (OMA). Nokia and Loudeye agreed they would start selling a music download service directly to mobile phones that will use the same AAC and OMA technologies.

wtf (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11670838)

wtf

WMP10 is for PC - NOT phone (5, Informative)

4r0g (467711) | more than 9 years ago | (#11670988)

The reuters story isn't really in line with the actual press [nokia.com] releases [microsoft.com] .

It does not say that Nokia is licensing Windows Media Player for phones, rather the technologies underneath, such as WMA, for achieving better interoperability with the PC. WMP10 is used as the PC frontend for the music solution they just launched.

There's going to be "support for Open Mobile Alliance (OMA) digital rights management and the MPEG Advanced Audio Coding (AAC) family of codecs in Windows Media Player via a plug-in" too to support the service.

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