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IE7 Announced for Longhorn and WinXP

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the coming-soon-to-a-pc-near-you! dept.

Internet Explorer 755

sriram_2001 writes "There is now an official announcement from Bill Gates on Internet Explorer 7. It will be available in beta form this summer for Longhorn and XP SP2. The IEBlog has commentary about the decision making process that went into the new browser version." Coming on the heels of the June Beta announcement for Longhorn, if things go as planned it will likely be here in early summer. The new browser's early arrival was first discussed last year.

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I wonder what MS has stolen from firefox (5, Insightful)

Prophetic_Truth (822032) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680258)

Who wants to bet we'll see 'tabs' in IE7

Re:I wonder what MS has stolen from firefox (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11680302)

Opera had tabs before Firefox did. Also mouse gestures.

Re:I wonder what MS has stolen from firefox (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11680341)

And mouse jestures were available in UNIX cad pacakges before they were in opera...

Shame we won't see much more tech evolving in the market place with patents on everything.

Re:I wonder what MS has stolen from firefox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11680449)

...and Mozilla had tabs before Opera. What is your point?

Re:I wonder what MS has stolen from firefox (3, Insightful)

Ericn484 (713920) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680319)

There have been other browsers before firefox that has used Tabbed browsing. Firefox is great but not all of its features are "new" ideas.

Re:I wonder what MS has stolen from firefox (5, Insightful)

frankthechicken (607647) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680324)

More importantly, will Microsoft be willing to include an Adblock of some form?

Somehow I doubt that owners of websites/advertisers would appreciate such a move.

Probably not... (4, Insightful)

sterno (16320) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680435)

This would arguably be opening themselves up to some huge legal problems. Sites that rely on advertising revenue would get rather cranky if the default browser on the monopoly desktop operating systems was blocking the ads.

Re:I wonder what MS has stolen from firefox (5, Funny)

kidoman (835979) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680331)

not just tabs,

a whole lot other goodies like:

- Poop blocker (but not MSN poop)
- ad blocker (ofcourse, excluding those in HoTMaiL)
- a about:firefox page which allows IE developers to speak their "minds" out.

and others....

Re:I wonder what MS has stolen from firefox (4, Insightful)

Quattro Vezina (714892) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680352)

*sigh*

I hate Microsoft too, but let's be fair. Firefox didn't invent tabbed browsing, Opera did. If IE has "stolen" tabs, then so has Firefox.

There's nothing wrong with adding features developed by the competition. That's one of the most important parts of competition.

Re:I wonder what MS has stolen from firefox (1, Insightful)

barryman_5000 (805270) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680364)

I am certian ms will try to just ease out a few features so that their longhorn IE will be even better. This will probably be a security update and small feature release. I can imagine some hacked on tabs b/c Longhorn needs something better. I don't think microsoft follows the model of "Give the customer what they want."

Re:I wonder what MS has stolen from firefox (5, Funny)

axis-techno-geek (70545) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680374)

Come on, I'm sure they will create a half dozen new security holes, give them some credit :)

I've seen it and its called ActiveTabs (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11680438)

And its even better than other tabbed solutions in that each tab appears in its own window as God intends.

Re:I wonder what MS has stolen from firefox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11680459)

I do not understand why peopl like the tabs of FireFox so much. They are really inherently badly constructed with no clear destiction of tabs and multiple windows.

Sure there are "single window" extensions, but they work rather poorly and still allow new windows to open sometimes.

There are also other things that FireFox is doing bad, for example the smooth scrolling which is very poor compared to that of the Opera browser.

Not to mention FireFox using lots of RAM (especially on Linux).

Otherwise I do like FireFox, much in favor of IE. Still there are many things left to do before FireFox becomes intuitive and smooth.

Re:I wonder what MS has stolen from firefox (4, Interesting)

shokk (187512) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680461)

I don't see any benefit to an IE7 without the tabbed browsing. It's just such a big part of the browsing experience these days that I couldn't image being without it. In fact, I invite them to take all keystroke commands used by Firefox tabbed browsing just to keep things consistent. There are times when you just have to use IE and for those times they should want to appear as similar to Moz/FF as possible.

Good (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11680261)

Firefox could use a little competition.

Re:Good (1)

nkuzmik (528366) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680318)

I agree with you on that one. Nothing keeps you sharp like somebody looking to kick your butt. My mod points expired yesterday, otherwise I would 1+ you on that thought.

Beta Release? (4, Funny)

NardofDoom (821951) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680263)

Hasn't IE been in beta since, well, it was released?

Re:Beta Release? (1)

bird603568 (808629) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680357)

Beta is a relitive term. I rather run a Mozilla beta than a final IE. doesn't beta mean that bugs aren't worked out. If thats the case isn IE 6 still in beta? correct me if im wrong.

Re:Beta Release? (3, Funny)

Ford Prefect (8777) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680466)

Hasn't IE been in beta since, well, it was released?

Doesn't 'beta' mean feature-complete? ;-)

Yippee (4, Interesting)

nkuzmik (528366) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680266)

Any word yet on substantive changes? Like separating IE from the fabric of the OS?

A friend's computer is virtually unusable because something corrupted IE, and that in turn broke Windows Explorer.

Re:Yippee (2, Insightful)

FuzzzyLogik (592766) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680337)

Separate it? haha... that'd be stupid. they make more money on leaving it in than they would by taking it out. Even with the lawsuits, it isn't going to make a difference, they'll still make more money by leaving it in. They really have no reason to take it out

Re:Yippee (5, Insightful)

pilgrim23 (716938) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680367)

I rememeber reading once that IE loads into memory at boot. That is, IE is substantially tied in as a portion of the operating system itself. This makes for superb integration with the UI for all system tasks, it also results in blazing fast speed as a browser. It ALSO means any threat to the browser becomes by nature a threat to the entire computer, its system its data, its hardware, and its user. If IE 7 has been decoupled from Windows that would be the one greatest security improvement Microsoft could perform.

Windows Explorer =/= Internet Explorer? (1)

Yankel (770174) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680445)

<disclaimer>IANAExpert</disclaimer>

This is a funny debate. There are obviously some shared elements between Windows Explorer and Internet Explod^Hrer.

Now the file manager for KDE is Konqurer -- which also happens to be a web browser. Will KDE break if you pull out Konqurer? What functionality would you lose?

Although in KDE's case, the desktop manager is independent of the underlying OS.

Using Windows 2000? Surfing the web? Upgrade now! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11680269)


Thanks for the forced upgrade, Microsoft!

Hmm. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11680272)

Poopies

Firefox (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11680273)

Rumour has it it's built on Firefox.

beleive it when i see it.. (-1, Troll)

Zate (687440) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680275)

FP.
but i'm interested to see what "innovations" it has.. or how much of it is just copied from other browsers. I have long beleived MSFT has lost all their innovation.

Re:beleive it when i see it.. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11680323)

1. Opera has stollen tabs from Netcaptor (a shell for IE),

2. Mozilla stole tabs from Opera

Indeed, how much is copied from other browsers.

Maybe they'll do it right this time... (4, Insightful)

agraupe (769778) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680276)

All IE needs to be good is: tabbed browsing, popup blocker, standards compliance, and fewer security issues. Sounds simple, doesn't it? Firefox was able to do it, let see if, given enough time Microsoft can do the same. Although I will still use Firefox, it will be nice to have a competent browser when I use, for example, a computer at school.

Re:Maybe they'll do it right this time... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11680325)

There IS a popup blocker in IE 6 that comes with WinXP SP2. There is also a more restrictive security setting with SP2 in IE.

Anyway, lets hope they have fixed the PNG and standards compliance issues (XHTML and CSS).

Re:Maybe they'll do it right this time... (4, Informative)

Verteiron (224042) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680382)

Don't forget alpha-channel transparency in PNG files.

(without the nasty DirectX hack)

Re:Maybe they'll do it right this time... (1)

Trimbo2 (661670) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680436)

I was going to mod you down but instead...

I suspect (and hope) IE7 will have inbuilt support for the entire .net api library and possibly avalon et. al. Maybe even client side c# or any other .net front end language? Soon we can all code web apps in COBAL.net :D

Seriously though, DHTML + javascript + css have long since had there day for powerful web apps. If maps.google.com is the best the world can manage in web apps then I welcome a richer client side environment in IE7. Maybe Mozilla XUL support as well?

Two words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11680437)

alpha transparency

Re:Maybe they'll do it right this time... (1)

Intocabile (532593) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680455)

No need to use IE. With the 200MBs of space alloted to electrical engineering students I have both Win32 and Linux Firefox binaries running the same user profile mapped to the network drive. There is also a version that can run off of a USB key here [johnhaller.com]

Wow. It's been a long time since Microsoft blinked (4, Insightful)

ip_freely_2000 (577249) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680277)

So they've admitted that IE is weak and Firefox et. al. is a compelling product. Knocks aside, I am very interested in seeing how this plays out.

Re:Wow. It's been a long time since Microsoft blin (4, Insightful)

DaHat (247651) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680439)

I fail to see how they admitted that IE is weak.

It is quite rare that a company releases a product that is so perfect that they do not need to create a new version. Such is the case here, IE can always better... and so can Firefox. Down the line when the next version of Firefox is released... is it their way of saying that their own product is weak?

Re:Wow. It's been a long time since Microsoft blin (2, Insightful)

PhiberOptix (182584) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680472)

they didn't admitted anything. if this were a mozilla announcement, you wouldn't say that firefox 1.0 is "weak" just because they announced 2.0, would you?

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11680278)

n+1th post, microsoft sucks balls -MikeTROLL

i dont know.... (1)

kidoman (835979) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680279)

if Firefox becomes the dominant browser by the time IEnexgen is out, it might well be named IE 1.1 add your favourite (C) and Microsoft tags there....

Tabs! Glorious Tabs! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11680283)

Now if only they'd let you middle click to open a new one, I might consider occasional use. Well, and if they had adblock.

So? (5, Interesting)

FuzzzyLogik (592766) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680284)

This is disappointing because we all know microsoft won't fill the giant security hole that is active x. Sure they have a "popup blocker" and this beta will have "tabs." But will it actually follow the W3C standards or is it going to be as hard to work with as IE6? I mean we KNOW they won't clean the issues up because they're releasing their own Anti-Spyware application. So really, what's the point?

No IE7 for Win2K. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11680288)

Why am I not surprised ?

Gate's press release on IE7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11680289)

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/feb0 5/02-15RSA05KeynotePR.asp

So surprised. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11680290)

What? Microsoft suddenly decided to release a new version of IE now that FireFox is taking nearly 12% of its previously undesputed market-share? Shocking!

Too bad (0)

timothv (730957) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680294)

IE7 will most likely not contain a single rendering improvement.

Re:Too bad (1)

kidoman (835979) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680383)

jokes aside, but i think M$ will clean up its plate.

for one, it cannot afford to see MSN rendered better in Firefox that in IE. therefore we can most certainly see IE7 or wutever it is eventually called (maybe IE2008) to included support for CSS. also they can stop treating standards specifications like a cook book - where u can add and subtract ur own niceties.

most of all, we will hv a download war, let see if it beats 10 million downloads in a month (or was it 20 days.)

Catch up (2, Insightful)

whats_a_zip (743877) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680296)

Now that there is competiton, Microsoft is suddenly interested again. But, losing brand loyalty is key, and I see lots of unsophisticated users using Firefox. Take IE7 and shove it Microsoft.

Part of Microsoft's Press Release (4, Funny)

bigtallmofo (695287) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680298)

"In yet another example of innovation, Microsoft has invented a feature called Tabbed Web Surfing (tm) (r). Tabbed Web Surfing is a revolutionary user interface for web browsing that Microsoft as its inventor has received over 7,000 patents on."

Re:Part of Microsoft's Press Release (1)

Verteiron (224042) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680418)

It is a testament to the sad state of the software industry (and my personal paranoia) that I actually did a double-take on TFA when I read that.

The real question is: (4, Interesting)

lucabrasi999 (585141) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680301)

Will all you Firefox users now be quiet [msdn.com]? Oh, they are talking about me, as well?

If you had read that link you posted... (2, Funny)

benhocking (724439) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680389)

You would have noticed the poster was asking the forefox users to be quiet. So, us Firefox users can keep on ranting. :)

Re:If you had read that link you posted... (1)

lucabrasi999 (585141) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680450)

Does this mean that you don't have to spell to be an MS developer? Yeah, I know, the poster may not have been a developer....

It looks like a recent decision (1)

diegocgteleline.es (653730) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680307)

...reading this article [gameshout.com] where it seems that they were their partners who asked for it

Microsoft's people have said in public several times that IE is the best browser out there. Why are their customers asking for new versions then? Heh.

This is a way of saying "IE 6 sucks, even the one in SP2". A new excuse to "sell" firefox - "are you going to expect until summer to have a decent browser?"

Software evolves (0)

RandoX (828285) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680440)

All software continues to evolve. New versions, more features. I can't think of any software that hasn't been discontinued (or maybe the project just died) that doesn't continue to release new versions. Show me some software where the company just decided it's perfect and quit making releases. Just because a developer releases a new version doesn't mean it isn't the best out there. The fact that it isn't the best is covered extensively elsewhere.

In other news.... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11680312)

4 critical security flaws have already been found in the yet to be released Internet Explorer 7.

If Microsoft has any sense. . . (1)

Nomihn0 (739701) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680332)

If Microsoft has any common sense left, they'll leave Internet Explorer as "beta" for the duration of its product life. That would serve to blunt some of the more obvious criticisms of security, interface, and data loss that are sure to crop up.

Then again, if they were to truly mimic Google, Mozilla, and the rest of the "do good" gang, they'd release a Microsoft-equivalent finished product as their beta.

OMG WTF (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11680335)

THE CYBORGS ARE... what's that Bill? Oh.

Never mind, I thought you said "SkyNet". :P

Can it catch Firefox before MS looses control? (1)

Gareth Saxby (859006) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680336)

What with Firefox slowly munching it's way into the browser market, it makes you think what do Microsoft have to add to IE to get these users back? Or are they all gone for sure?

I would hope the rise of the "alternate" browser again means that MS finally realises that plugging the holes really does help them (Yes, I do know that other browsers have never gone away, and there has always been a minority, once a majority of users making use of them).

Re:Can it catch Firefox before MS looses control? (1)

FuzzzyLogik (592766) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680414)

The problem is that IE still dominates the market. Firefox might be gaining ground but it's still pretty small. It is a threat but.. not a real big one at this point. That doesn't mean it won't be a big threat, but I see this IE release as a way of trying to cut back on that threat a bit. Will it work? That really is the question.

What i'd like to see are PC maker's bundling firefox on their machines. THAT would make a big dent in IE usage.

IE.Net? (5, Interesting)

Repugnant_Shit (263651) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680338)

I think the most interesting question about IE7 is: will it be written with .Net? Microsoft seems to think that developers should all jump on the .Net bandwagon, but they seem rather reluctanct to do it with any of their big products.

IE.Net (or rather, mshtml.Net) would be a great way to show off the supposed security enhancements that .Net brings.

(Aside: Is Visual Studio now written in .Net? If it is, no wonder it's so much slower than VS6.)

Too little too late? (1, Interesting)

rritterson (588983) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680340)

My first thought at the announcement was 'who cares'? It's too little, too late. Microsoft discounted firefox when it appeared, let it get to 1.0, then they realized they might have a problem.

From my perspective, they have given Firefox a huge head start, and, since they can't outcompete them on a cost standpoint (hey, Firefox is free too!), they will have to rely on superior coding (maybe), or hope that most new computer users will simply use whatever comes installed as long as it doesn't suck too hard.

Consider, though, that almost everyone I know either uses Firefox now or avoids windows altogether. Heck, Firefox is even the default browser on the public computers on the UC Berkeley campus these days. I work there - I know how notoriously slow the PC techs are to change anything.

IE7, great. Microsoft will probably integrate it more tightly into the OS. In the meantime, the Mozilla foundation has at least 4 more months to get even better. Lets hope they build an even stronger lead.

I was a long time IE user- I remember downloading all of the IE4 betas and admiring the technology. But, I know who i'll be rooting for in this one.

Re:Too little too late? (1)

TOWebstress (855727) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680470)

they will have to rely on superior coding (maybe), or hope that most new computer users will simply use whatever comes installed as long as it doesn't suck too hard.

One shouldn't discount the fact that this tactic has worked for them in the past. There are still a lot of users (not power-users by any means, but average run-of-the-mill users) who would never consider downloading a different browser and using it. When they see a big blue "e" on the screen of their new computer, and when they click it, POOF! they're online...well, they're happy. End of story.

I'm afraid Berkeley isn't very representative (4, Insightful)

benhocking (724439) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680474)

Consider, though, that almost everyone I know either uses Firefox now or avoids windows altogether. Heck, Firefox is even the default browser on the public computers on the UC Berkeley campus these days. I work there - I know how notoriously slow the PC techs are to change anything.

Kudos to Berkeley, but they are the exception in most cases, and this is no exception to that rule. :)

As long as IE is even almost as secure and almost as feature rich as Firefox, it will probably win the browser war. That is, unless and until Linux wins the OS war (or at least makes a bigger showing).

IE7, great. Microsoft will probably integrate it more tightly into the OS. In the meantime, the Mozilla foundation has at least 4 more months to get even better. Lets hope they build an even stronger lead.

About that word "lead". I don't think it means what you think it means. :) (Ob. quote.)

Sweet a new IE! (1)

nullkill (835502) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680343)

Oh man, a new IE... this is exciting! I'm sure many things will change. We'll, many things except one, IE's blaringly evident security flaws and the level of user frustration during use of that ridiculously terrible browser that needs to be retired, rather than keep incrementing to higher numbers to show how "Cutting Edge" it is. No thanks Billy, I'll stick with my firefox.

the new browser (1)

mabus42 (805037) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680344)

so microsoft is building IE7 from the mozilla/firefox rendering engine? nah... that would be too easy.

I POOP ON IE7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11680346)

poop

Missing from the article... (1)

Infinityis (807294) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680347)

Bill Gates: "We've got new and improved security loopholes. We have made things so simple for hackers, even the dumbest 12 year old can now create and deploy viruses, worms, trojans...you name it!"

obligatory duke nuke em ref (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11680355)

will it....

ahhh, fuck, i'm even boring myself.

So Bill buys himself a reprieve. (2, Insightful)

blcamp (211756) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680356)

Announcing IE7 allows Bill to spend some "capital" to get the unwashed computing masses to try IE one more time.

They just better get it right this time.

Otherwise the pendulum swings over to the browser with the Netscape Pedigree.

Now... how ironic would *that* be...

In Response to Firefox Comments : (1)

iibbmm (723967) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680368)

Okay, I use firefox, but let's stop being stupid. Citing MS using tabs or any other item found in firefox as being proof that MS can't innovate is just plain dumb. Maybe it's a good idea and they want to utilize it. Is Firefox uninovative because it has a back button, or a stop button? Software changes, and different companies evolve along with new ideas. Also, how is MS releasing a VERSION 7 of a piece of software taken as them being 'scared' or 'blinking?' They are releasing a new version of their internet browser. Did you expect them to never update IE6? I know hating MS is cool, but be honest to yourself.

Security Enhancement == M$ antispyware hook (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11680370)

If there is ANY security enhancement for IE7 at all, it will be automatic downloading of M$ AntiSpyware, which means any future 'fix' to the browser hole is nothing but a money making scheme that will NOT make the browser less prone to attacks.

Why tabs? (1)

Bazman (4849) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680372)

Why has everyone gone 'oh i bet it has tabs'? Perhaps it'll have an even better metaphor for multiple web pages, and firefox will then copy that!

Hmm, is that bacon overhead?

valid CSS and FULLY supported PNG? (5, Insightful)

OmniVector (569062) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680373)

if we got just these two things, and nothing else, i might actually stop slitting my wrists as a web designer. PLEASE MICROSOFT. PLEASE. that's all i want god damnit.

See... (1)

BB101 (695226) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680376)

We're going to release a beta and listen, then refresh the beta and listen some more.
Walls do have ears!

So uhh... (1)

Infinityis (807294) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680377)

I'm thinking he should probably get together a bunch of future IE7 users, ask for donations, and put a big ol' ad in the New York Times or something. Just to see if he can.

Market speak translated (2, Insightful)

acomj (20611) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680379)

IE developer/lead says "I think of today's announcement as a clear statement back to our customers: "Hey, Microsoft heard you. We're committing (to ie7)."

What he means : "Damm firefox took a lot of market share. Even with our monopoly people are downloading this better and free product"

Mircosoft intended to use its domenence in browsers to control the desktop. IE distribute apps with IE/Longhorn and proprietary extentions (.net) that only worked on windows.

Firefox's success caught them off guard and now there running to catch up. I think MS was hoping to bundle ie7 with longhorn, causing massive corporate forced upgrades, but delay after delay nixed that idea.

IE7 and Win2k (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11680393)

"Hey, Microsoft heard you. We're committing."
Translation: Oh shit. Here comes Firefox.

"questions about support for Windows 2000." ... "and comparing that to the engineering and logistical complexity of that work. "
Translation: Hey, we're a bunch of assholes who put arbitrary limits into our software. As such, since we tie our shit-ass browser into the OS so tightly, it won't work on Win2k without some act of God.

I use Win2k still, and it works beautifully. The advantages of Win2k3 or WinXP could have easily been bundled onto Win2k, just as this could be, but instead they try and continue to force the upgrade.

Microsoft should start sending out jars of vasoline to their loyal customers ...

CSS2/3 support - I doubt it bit I can hope (1)

haplo21112 (184264) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680395)

I'll be shocked if it includes updated (and proper) CCS2/3 support. As a web designer its one of the things I am screaming to see. I somehow doubt they will do it. Updating thier code to do proper support will break most of the sites currently coded for it.

Just in time for Apple's Panther! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11680399)



In other news, Longhorn has officialy been renamed "Gazelle"

Is this an announcement or a warning? (1)

CdXiminez (807199) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680408)

So Longhorn comes with IE7.
Remember people, it's not a bug, it's a feature.

Re:Is this an announcement or a warning? (1)

Infinityis (807294) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680463)

Actually, if it's anything like previous versions of Windows, you must mean "Longhorn is IE7".

This will push Google to release a browser (1)

DARKFORCE123 (525408) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680415)

Maybe this will push Google to further incorporate more Firefox talent and have their browser ready by the time MS has IE7 out.

Browser wars (1)

qwerty55 (858835) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680420)

I think how improved IE is will largely depend on how serious they feel the competition from alternate browsers like firefox are. A few years back when they set their sites on netscape IE did show some innovative qualities at the time. I'll admit that their business practices worked to crush netscape too, but for a period of time IE was a top of the line browser. Hopefully firefox will be seen as enough of a threat and bring about some real innovation from IE's browser team again. Competition is usually a good think and hopefully a browser war between IE and firefox will improve the internet experience of everyone.

*sigh* (1)

DarkHelmet (120004) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680423)

Why just Windows XP and Longhorn? So that pretty much means we'll have to wait even longer for all the 98 / ME people to play catchup so we can start doing things entirely with CSS.

Does anyone really believe? (1)

INetUser (723076) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680433)

Does anyone really believe for one minute that this new version of IE will actually be an improvement specific to exploitations?

If anything, I think it'll reset the clock on the patchwork, so to speak. MS'll have to re-release all the patches that they've release for IE 6.

Just one request (2, Insightful)

m50d (797211) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680448)

Please, please, implement alpha transparency for PNGs. That's all I ask. CSS2 would be nice, but it's ok if you don't have time or whatever. But just get proper transparency working. Please.

I don't want MORE LAYERS (0)

Matey-O (518004) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680451)

Why? Because we listened to customers, analysts, and business partners. We heard a clear message: "Yes, XP SP2 makes the situation better. We want more, sooner. We want security on top of the compatibility and extensibility IE gives us, and we want it on XP. Microsoft, show us your commitment."
I don't want Microsoft telling me every time something malicious does or does not happen. This comes after having the SECOND automatic update of my PC bring it to its knees. (I suspect AVG's virus scanner, but I canot be sure.)

I wake up to 'your machine failed to boot into normal mode...try again?' Spend 20 minutes looking at the 6 updates, remove two to no affect, remove AVG and have the system come back, only to have microsoft YELL "YOU MAY NOT BE SAFE! I CAN'T FIND A VIRUS SCANNER!"

Uh, no shit?

I don't know _who_ you're helping Microsoft, but you're sure not helping me.

Link to IE7 Alpha (and code?) (1)

GillBates0 (664202) | more than 9 years ago | (#11680475)

Stumbled upon this page [edwards.name] which apparently belongs to one of the people working on IE7.

This page is mentioned in an interview transcript [microsoft.com] at Microsoft and also on "Windows XP Central" [microsoft.com] and I quote:

RE: Firefox Users IE 7 is coming
In: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Other link
IE 7 Code!!!!!!!
http://dean.edwards.name/
i think these are real developers on early stages the work has begun i'm sure of that!

Not really sure what's going on here...but don't have time to dig in further right now.

Say hello to a new round of... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11680485)

proprietary technology lock-in. I saw a demonstration of Longhorn about 6 months ago at school. In Longhorn, Microsoft has made clear their intention to pioneer thick-client web interfaces. Basically, browsing to Amazon.com will upload a whole client application to your computer that will be much richer than a typical website. Do you think MS is going to let an FOSS browser have the ability to interact with these applications? Helllll no. It's been a sweet run with Firefox, but unless MS really screws this one up, we'll all be upgrading to Longhorn to use these enhanced webpages.
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