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Firefox Breaks 25 Million Downloads

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the thats-a-lot-of-firefoxen dept.

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certron wrote to alert us that earlier this week, Mozilla passed the milestone of 25 million downloads. From the official site: "With a minimal set of tools--an affiliate system, a small donations fundraising system, blogs, galleries, forums, and the good old human larynx--you all are spreading Firefox to a quarter of a million people a day. More than 500,000 sites now link to Firefox according to Google--a fivefold increase from six months ago. What was just a small flame 100 days ago has since exploded into a phenomenal demonstration of the power of open source. Tens of thousands of devoted users and fans are a powerful and capable force of change. We have created a special commemorative image if you would like to mark this milestone on your own site." Reader asa also wrote to mention an interview with Bill Gates from this week where the mogul was asked directly what he thought of Firefox.

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More = Better? (5, Insightful)

samtihen (798412) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698540)

25 Million Agree - IE SUCKS!

Although, the 25 million downloads doesn't actually equate to 25 million users. How many times have you downloaded Firefox? I'm over 10, that's for sure. And how many people got it from others, rather than downloading it?

I mean, it really doesn't matter, it really shouldn't be a competition anyway. If it is a good product, it will do well. Who really cares if it competes with IE? All more users really do is bring attention (very possibly malicious) to the project.

Re:More = Better? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11698596)

Yes, as you are the first person in history to point out, the statement "25 million downloads" implies neither exactly, more than, or less than 25 million users. Congratulations on the free karma.

Re:More = Better? (2, Insightful)

tehshen (794722) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698643)

That is true; but for every person like you who has downloaded it ten times, there's a school or college or organisation that has only downloaded it once, but uses it a hundred times per day. It all tends to balance out in the end.

Re:More = Better? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11698687)

thats what i was going to say, what about offices & schools with HUGE lans that downloaded it once and then installed it to hundreds or thousands of workstations...

25 million is not an exact count, it is just a general idea of how large the use base is...

Re:More = Better? (2, Insightful)

rbarreira (836272) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698710)

It all tends to balance out in the end


More like - it all makes it too difficult to know how many people use firefox.

Re:More = Better? (2, Insightful)

tehshen (794722) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698739)

Why do we need to know how many people use Firefox? Yes, there are multiple downloads, networks, and so on, but the user count is going to be somewhere between 22 and 28 million, which is good whichever way you look at it. And as long as we can reach a nice number with six zeroes on the end we'll be happy.

Re:More = Better? (2, Insightful)

pbranes (565105) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698647)

Perhaps 25 million can imply - 25 million computers. You probably only download it to 1 machine at a time. So, 1 machine at home, 1 at work, that leaves about 12.5 million distinct users. Still not a bad number. That's more downloads than the latest album of William Shatner singing. :-)

what makes it better are the plugins, my top 5 (5, Informative)

Steve_Jobs_HNIC (513769) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698714)

here they are:

Adblock [mozdev.org]
Session Saver [extensionsmirror.nl]
Web Developer [mozdev.org]
IE View [mozdev.org]
Target Alert [bolinfest.com]

Re:what makes it better are the plugins, my top 5 (5, Informative)

tehshen (794722) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698758)

And before the complaints come,

Slashfix [hardgrok.org]

Re:More = Better? (1)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698716)

Truthfully I've downloaded Firefox several times but at separate workstations (where it is still being used).

The thing we have to think about is that we are counting version 1.0 only [mozillazine.org] . It isn't like they are counting milestone (nightly) releases either, so we are pretty much counting people who entered the Mozilla.org homepage (or www.getfirefox.com [getfirefox.com] ) and downloaded Firefox. It may be pretty close.

Think about it though. Software companies who want to charge for software, charge "per seat" (at minimum). I mean, if I dual-boot and run Firefox in both operating systems I think it should count twice. No matter we all know that Gecko [mozilla.org] is the future.

Re:More = Better? (1)

mirko (198274) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698769)

I also think it sucks less than MSIE but now, Sage cannot reload my RSS feeds and this very page (Slashdot) appears totally corrupted so I guess I'd somehow like Firefox to "emulate" MSIE when it comes to viewing some "incompatible" sites (yes, Slashdot, if it weren't for the contetns, I would not be there now).
IIRC, Konqueror could pretend to be another browser but had it been able to reproduce the way another website render a site, it'd be the most used.

Re:More = Better? (1)

GweeDo (127172) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698772)

While I had downloaded Firefox 1.0 more than 10 times I have installed it far more times than that. I downloaded it once at my work, it is now on 50 workstations here. I downloaded it once at home...that was 3 computers. I downloaded it another time and threw it on my thumbdrive...that has found its way onto atleast 10-15 machines. 25 Million downloads...I would say a good number more machines using it!

Excellent (2)

buxton4 (849144) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698545)

But lets hope they keep imroving it with FF1.1 and that they stick to their roadmap for future firefox releases

Update! (5, Funny)

RobertTaylor (444958) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698547)

25,241,830 and counting to be precise ;)

Re:Update! (1)

bigtallmofo (695287) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698684)

>25,241,830 and counting to be precise ;)

WRONG! It's 25,241,837

Wait... It's 25,241,842...

No, wait... 25,241,857

Uh, never mind.

Refresh button (5, Funny)

madaxe42 (690151) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698548)

Damn, knew I'd pressed it a few times too many on getfirefox.com

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11698549)

Foist post!

Send in... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11698554)

... the trolls. Those laughy, daffy trolls. Send in the schmoltz by the bowl full... Trolls.

Breaking downloads (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11698558)

Someone better file a bug. CRC errors are a pain in the butt.

Interview with Bill Gates (5, Interesting)

Walkiry (698192) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698559)

Problem is, he doesn't really say much other than "we have competition in many places, we'll keep working to be the best". Typical marketdroid stuff. The funny thing is that one of the things he mentions is that they'll be trying to be #1 in "Security". Heh. One can only hope...

Re:Interview with Bill Gates (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11698576)

"we have competition in many places, we'll keep working to be the best"

Isn't that the same thing we hear about Firefox?

Re:Interview with Bill Gates (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11698610)

>Isn't that the same thing we hear about Firefox?

Marketdroid speech is universal, applies to Microsoft, Firefox, burgers, flying pigs, whatever you want to promote.

Re:Interview with Bill Gates (1)

lanc (762334) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698699)


Unfortunately you're right.
However marketing - as so many other things - started with good (tm) source and will, for market research, like "What would the market need?", and nowadays in fact it is "How could we push our $whatever_product to the market?"

Micro$oft is just the right example. They deserve their "$" in the name.
Dear MS - work with normal standards, document your things, do not like about your products - and you'll get away the "$" - and get respect. Real respect is all you need.

Re:Interview with Bill Gates (1)

tehshen (794722) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698605)

Not only are they #1 in security, they are also trying to be #1 in features, #1 in speed, #1 in stability, and #1 in ease of use. So in the end all these priorities aren't as good as you thought they'd be.

Re:Interview with Bill Gates (1)

EvilCowzGoMoo (781227) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698709)

GATES: Well, there's competition in every place that we're in. The browser space that we are in we have about 90 percent. Sure Firefox has come along and the press love the idea of that. Our commitment is to keep our browser that competes with Firefox to be the best browser -- best in security, best in features. In fact, we just announced that we'll have a new version of the browser so we're innovating very rapidly there and it's our commitment to have the best. I'm not sure what to say, or where to begin. I think it speaks for itself!!!!

That's so cool (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11698561)

Go firefox!

the best (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11698563)

firefox/mozilla is the best

duh! (1)

private Burrito (836582) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698564)

No wonder, it's the best movie I've seen in years! :)

Firefox *breaks* downloads? (5, Funny)

thiophene (216836) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698566)

I read that the wrong way.

Re:Firefox *breaks* downloads? (1)

CactusInvasion (838662) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698681)

Guess they'll be looking to fix that download manager even sooner, now.

Re:Firefox *breaks* downloads? (1)

stupidfoo (836212) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698735)

Ughh... that thing is awful. Why again does it take an incredible amount of machine power to just open the damn thing in a tab?

If... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11698567)

If 25 million people were downloading from your server, it would be broken too...

I guess he's talking about the 1.0 version (2, Insightful)

cflorio (604840) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698568)

"What was just a small flame 100 days ago has since exploded into a phenomenal demonstration of the power of open source."

I know I've been using firefox for over 100 days (I think i jumped on the bandwagon around the .4 release)

Re:I guess he's talking about the 1.0 version (1)

DenDave (700621) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698603)

Yep.. remember the first firebird builds...

http://www.mozilla.org/press/mozilla-2004-02-09. ht ml

Re:I guess he's talking about the 1.0 version (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11698720)

I know I've been using firefox for over 100 days (I think i jumped on the bandwagon around the .4 release)

I'd just like to preempt this before it becomes a leeter than thou competition and remind you that how long you have been using Firefox will NOT, I repeat NOT, get you chicks.

Thank you.

first post ...w000t (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11698570)

wooooot

Power of open source? (5, Interesting)

suso (153703) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698572)

has since exploded into a phenomenal demonstration of the power of open source.

I see what you're trying to say, but I don't know whether you can call this newfound popularity due to open source. When I think of firefox, It doesn't even occur to me at first that its open source. I mean, I know that it is, but thats not the first thing I think of. When I think of something like Gnome, I think of it as open source. Mozilla and friends just have a different feeling. Does anyone else think that too?

Re:Power of open source? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11698592)

Because, unlike Gnome, Mozilla spawned from closed source development. They got the "user" part right.

The difference is simple :) (5, Insightful)

KZigurs (638781) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698595)

Firefox thinks about usability.

You wouldn't associate Open Source with usability even if forced to.

Re:The difference is simple :) (4, Interesting)

suso (153703) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698649)

Hmmmm, this is interesting. You might think that the parent comment is flamebait or a troll, but I think this person has a point. As an open source community, I think we can learn a lot from how firefox has succeeded so well and so quickly, analyze it and apply it to a lot of other projects. Much like how the FSF originally redid all the unix applications before rewriting the kernel, maybe the goal could be to redo all windows applications and then subplant the underlying OS.

Sounds familiar... (4, Interesting)

oldosadmin (759103) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698815)

That's exactly what OpenOffice.org has been advocating for months, but nobody seems to listen.

Re:Power of open source? (1)

Kokuyo (549451) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698678)

Yes. Firefox feels more like 'alternative', 'more options' and 'better look and feel'.

I still use IE in certain situations and that's okay. But Firefox is just... well I don't know IE is Pepsi and Firefox is Coke.... you can decide whether you are a coke-person or a pepsi-person yourself ;).

Re:Power of open source? (1)

Gadgetfreak (97865) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698730)

I agree, but mostly because I'm sort of an "in between" geek. Personality wise, I'm definitely there, but I'm a MechE, and not someone who codes beyond some VB problem-solving. I wouldn't know what to do with source code, so as far as I'm concerned, I don't directly care that FireFox is open source.
What Open Source does for me, though, is that it allows other people (like a lot of the Slashdot crowd) to write nifty add-ons and accessories and plugins that I can download and enjoy.
I don't have to wait for a software company to release an expansion pack, or add-on... much less actually come up with something creative.

Re:Power of open source? (1)

scenestar (828656) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698740)

The reason why firefox caught on was beacuse of 2 simple things.
it was free ande it was better then other available products in its price range(IE).

Sure, Opera and Mozilla itself were competing for the browser throne, But they were too complicated for the average soccermom to use when browsing for cooking recipes.(not to mention the fact that you had to PAY for opera)

I Hear The EU Is Going To Force MS To Rename... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11698575)

Internet Explorer to

Internet Anal Rape Explorer

just like they made MS rename their new version of Windows XP.

FireFox and IE have something in common... (4, Funny)

bigtallmofo (695287) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698582)

"FireFox Breaks 25 Million Downloads"

and

"Internet Explorer Breaks 25 Million Computers"

Of course, this is just a low estimate on both.

Hahaha (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11698583)

GATES: No, in fact that's one thing I like about the Microsoft culture -- is that we wake up every day thinking about companies like Wang...
So what you're telling me is the first thing on his mind every morning is wang? Interesting.

What bill says (5, Insightful)

gowen (141411) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698585)

In fact, we just announced that we'll have a new version of the browser so we're innovating very rapidly there
Wow, a new web browser 4 years after the old, and several years after you've declared that there wasn't even going to be another stand-alone version.

Four years of stasis.
Two years of complete disinterest.

That's some really rapid innovation, there, Bill.

Re:What bill says (4, Interesting)

confusion (14388) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698658)

They have to dust-off the old 'anti-netscape' playbook now. FF has risen to a level where MS is very concerned about losing momentum and support for their proprietary IE extensions. I know many software vendors have it on their near term road maps to inter-operate with Firefox (they don't now, due to the use of proprietary extensions in IE). MS really hasn't had to deal with any competing products taking up market/mind share so quickly in the past.

Jerry
http://www.syslog.org/ [syslog.org]

Re:What bill says (1)

dave420 (699308) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698664)

I don't know if you know this or not, but Microsoft makes more than just IE. Maybe you should think of the plethora of things Microsoft makes before you say something that makes you look silly... ;)

Speed up Firefox (4, Informative)

BobWeiner (83404) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698589)

This may have already been mentioned, but here's a link [freerepublic.com] on tweaking Firefox to make it even faster on a broadband connection. I've applied these settings and notice an immediate performance boost.

Re:Speed up Firefox (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11698661)

Bob Weiner reads and has linked to FreeRepuplic. Please mod him down as flamebait.

Re:Speed up Firefox (1)

BobWeiner (83404) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698765)

I did not know that they were racist. Apologies if I've linked to such a site.

Re:Speed up Firefox (-1, Troll)

dave420 (699308) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698688)

Those guys are racist fucks on that there site. not nice peeps.

Re:Speed up Firefox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11698689)

It also helps to slashdot sites even faster. Rather than making a single request to a site this "tweak" makes several. It's an automated equivalent of hitting refresh 30 times in a row.

Re:Speed up Firefox (2, Informative)

naylor83 (836780) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698745)

Only, Firefox ignores values above the maximum 8, that is, it only ever does a maximum of 8 requests (or whatever).

BEFORE applying settings!!!!! (5, Informative)

codesurfer (786910) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698712)

I'm sure many people know about this, but please read the following [theinquirer.net] before applying the settings mentioned in the parent article. There are other things to consider. The following is an excerpt

The dearly beloved "run the turbines at Military Power 'til they blow up" Scribner on your staff who suggests sticking their foot through the floorboards by tweaking Firefox & setting "network.http.pipelining.maxrequests" to "30" connections (This means it will make 30 requests at once.)
Said Scribner, who is obviously a gamer & overclocker freak, _FORGOT_ to read the comments section at th4e bottom of the posting http://forevergeek.com/open_source/make_firefox_fa ster.php#comments
"#13 Great little tips, but only one problem, and that's that you're breaking servers by doing this. 3-5 requests is fine, but trying to do 30 requests at once puts some strain on the server. If two people try to access the same page at once with this set, that's 60 connections. Most httpd's are set to cut off after there are 100 connections made. So, 4 people with this set could not access the same site. I urge you to think things through before setting something like this and killing the websites you browse."

Re:BEFORE applying settings!!!!! (5, Informative)

naylor83 (836780) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698776)

See my above reply. Firefox & Mozilla never do more than 8 requests. Setting a higher value is pointless.

Re:BEFORE applying settings!!!!! (2, Funny)

Ford Prefect (8777) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698794)

Great little tips, but only one problem, and that's that you're breaking servers by doing this. 3-5 requests is fine, but trying to do 30 requests at once puts some strain on the server.

Hmm... Y'know, I've got an idea.

One meellion maximum connections!

* Puts little finger to mouth and points Firebadger at Microsoft [microsoft.com] . *

Mwuhahahaha!

In other news (1)

Laurentiu (830504) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698602)

25 million browsers (including mine) are still unable to properly render Slashdot.

Re:In other news (1)

c0p0n (770852) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698673)

In the mean time, you can wordkaround [hardgrok.org] it.

Re:In other news (1)

Laurentiu (830504) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698694)

Thanks :) I'd mod you informative, if I had them means.

Re:In other news (4, Informative)

bcmm (768152) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698696)

That's fixed in the trunk build, and will be fixed in FF 1.1.

Re:In other news (1)

CactusInvasion (838662) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698703)

Only the ones unable to apply Slashfix. Get it here [hardgrok.org]

Re:In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11698774)

Admit it, that's worse than any MS solution you've EVER seen.

Re:In other news (2, Interesting)

RangerRick98 (817838) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698705)

The fix is coming in the next Firefox version. In the meantime, try this [slashdot.org] .

Re:In other news (1)

ceeam (39911) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698773)

Makes me wonder, slashcode is open-source, right? BTW - it is used not only on slashdot. Anybody tried to fix it? I believe it should be not a big deal to do. Has anyone submitted a patch to OSTG? No, really?

Me, I couldn't care less, frankly - except for occasional mentioning of the issue here I don't care - I use "reduced" version of slashdot, no fancy formatting, no graphics. And I'm grateful for it!! ;)

Is Firefox buggy? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11698606)

Or why does it break 25 million downloads?

Someone please stop the download bots!! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11698630)

Ok, Firefox fans, you can stop the auto-download bots now you've made your point !!

My download was not broken (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11698639)

and i am sure most of them succeeded ;-)

Nice of Bill to take all the credit (4, Interesting)

grandmofftarkin (49366) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698642)

"There's a new technology that is an industry standard we created called Sender ID"

No mention of SFP [wikipedia.org] or the guys behind it.

This does not mean 25 million users. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11698644)

From the site:

"you all are spreading Firefox to a quarter of a million people a day"

I don't believe this quote is accurate. Number of downloads != number of users. It would be more accurate to say there have been a quarter of a million downloads per day.

I have personally downloaded 4 copies of Firefox. Linux/Windows at home, Linux/Windows at work. I'm sure many other people are in a similar position. Just something to bear in mind if you are quoting how many Firefox users there are in the world.

Re:This does not mean 25 million users. (4, Insightful)

Jason O'Neil (607723) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698804)

I see what you mean, I have downloaded firefox a couple of times myself. But on the other hand, I have also downloaded a single install file and then proceeded it to install it on my computer, my brother's computer, and my Dad's laptop.

Schools, universities and businesses that are using firefox will be adding even more users that are not included in the download count on the website. I think the number of users who have not been registered on the download count will balance or even outweigh the number of users who have registered multiple times on the count.

Serious Question... (3, Interesting)

phunhippy (86447) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698653)

I like Firefox.. however its not my browser of choice and here's why..

I am constantly switching with ctrl-tab between using IE for web based crap and going throough my file system.. ctrl-tab type c:\ and bam.. you get the idea?

I like the interface explorer gives me for browsing my files. I don't like the interface FIREFOX or any other browser gives me.. Is there any way I can get that interface inside firefox? some plugin maybe?

Any thoughts?

Re:Serious Question... (1)

bcmm (768152) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698717)

Switch to Linux, use Konqueror!
Tabbed file browsing!

Seriously though, I would also like to see Firefox get better file browsing capabilities. A nice, uniform cross-platform file browser would be good (one that isn't written in Java with tiny confusing icons and doesn't use a different set of icons for each OS).

Re:Serious Question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11698775)

Agreed, Konqueror is pretty sweet, if it could accept firefox plug-ins, I would be in heaven. Unfortunately, there is no Adblock, no dictionary search, terrible RSS treatment, and no Gcache. Add those, clean up some rendering engine problems, and Konq is no longer just my file browser of choice.

Re:Serious Question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11698722)

I suppose you are using the Windows OS, but under the K Desktop Environment you could use the application called Konqueror. It's a lean browser, the fastest one in the test recently posted on /. and it offers a nice Explorer-like filesystem interface. You can also use it to browse remote FTP sites, SFTP sites, Webdav and more remote-filesystems.

You might want to check it out. Try Knoppix or SLAX, they are Linux live CDs you can just pop in your computer and use.

Re:Serious Question... (2, Informative)

kryptkpr (180196) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698810)

If you like the awful way explorer manages files, you've never tried anything better.

Try this [totalcmd.net] .. I've been using a *commander since the days of MS-DOS 5. Once you go split-panel, you don't go back. Not to mention stuff like built-in ZIP, RAR, FTP (archives get treated as folders, FTP is treated as a drive), a Search that works MUCH better then explorer's, wildcard file selection, .. I'm gonna stop now.

Disclaimer: I have nothing to do with TotalCmd, other then loving their product.

"Reader" Asa... (2, Informative)

ronobot (739113) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698656)

...is likely Asa Dotzler, Mozilla's chief quality control and testing guy. Congrats to Asa, and the rest of the team. I can't imagine browsing the internet without Mozilla, and especially Firefox.

Submit a bug report (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698672)

If Firefox is breaking all those downloads, then something must be wrong.

ep? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11698675)

continues to lose The 7ongest or

Should lead to better crap from MS (1)

GatesGhost (850912) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698676)

actually, competition should be great for the end user, no matter who wins, we all win. but for now, 25 million intelligent people agree, firefox rox.

IT WAS NEW (2, Funny)

BitwiseX (300405) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698691)

When I was downloading Firefox this morning on my 2nd machine, I had this funny feeling in my gut. Now I know why.. I WAS the 25millionth person! Or maybe it was just gas....

This was too much... (4, Funny)

Obiwan Kenobi (32807) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698698)

To paraphrase into hilarity:

Bill Gates: "No, in fact that's one thing I like about the Microsoft culture -- is that we wake up every day thinking about ... Wang."

What would make it better (3, Interesting)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698702)

The only reason I use IE is because when I am in Windows Explorer, I like to just type in the URL, and go. Otherwise, I use Firefox. You don't know how many times in the day, I hit Ctrl+T to get a new tab, and realize I am in IE (or worse, go to do a search and see the clunky dialog box come up). I then have to switch over.

Anyone know of a way to integrate firefox without adverse effects? I'd love to ditch ie 100%, but old habits die hard, plus I'd hate to lose the efficiencies...

Gates interview is bogus (1)

tbone1 (309237) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698715)

The first line is:

  • Microsoft Corp. has for decades been on the cutting-edge of technological innovation.

..... Riiiiiight.

So, does anyone else notice that when a journalist gets an idea, he gets it all wrong?

Err go Ego (3, Interesting)

canuck57 (662392) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698719)

GATES: We're responsible for the creation of the PC industry.

With a statement like that, what about TRS-80, Apple II, Commodore PET and others. Steve Jobs would be the man if he wasn't so closed up with his architecture and IBM was not. All Microsoft and Bill did was be in the right place when IBM had 100,000 PCs without an OS. After that they screwed their way to the top of the heap with questionable business practices to ride the wave. It was well under way long before Bill had DOS.

Microsoft even had interest in SCO to get code and make sure they didn't rival their Windows NT. Oh yes, these two companies have a long relationship more than most know.

In fact, we just announced that we'll have a new version of the browser so we're innovating very rapidly there and it's our commitment to have the best.

I guess this hints of a new browser. I wonder how much open source code and ideas it will contain. Most people, including Microsoft seem to forget that Microsoft really hasn't invented anything new. They just use other's ideas.

In a few years when the biggest market in the world runs Linux (China) we will see Microsoft in second place. It will be a glorious day when Microsoft gets a long needed lesson in humility.

Friends (3, Interesting)

cyberfunk2 (656339) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698736)

A lot of my non-technical friends have recently become wise to the 'Fox.

And I quote "My internet explorer just stopped working about a month ago.. it wasnt worth the trouble, and those damn popup windows are annoying too.."

I think average Joe is starting to understand. (Incidentially, one of my friend's names is Joe)

I guess (1)

Digital Warfare (746982) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698752)

We can now wait for the Spyware attacks to start coming ? Konqeuror for me :)

Count me out of the FireFox craze.. (2, Funny)

JohnBob73 (860286) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698753)

I really do not care for microsoft, but I'll definitely sitck with IE because I'd rather be safe than sorry later on and here is why: http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/02/08/spoof/inde x.php

Re:Count me out of the FireFox craze.. (1)

JohnBob73 (860286) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698808)

http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/02/08/spoof/inde x.php they moved it.

alternatives (3, Interesting)

john_uy (187459) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698755)

i think other open source applications should be promoted together with firefox. people now find out that there is a better alternative. more promotion should be made to applications such as open office, and of course, linux. i hope this is a start of something better for everyone.

Love Firefox, but it's not perfect... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11698779)

I truely do love Firefox but it's not perfect... Popups for Firefox [mozilla.org]

WTF? A popup? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11698783)

How the Hell did the ABC news site (the Bill Gates link) open a popup (or more accurately, a popunder) on my system? I'm using Firefox 1.0 under Solaris 2.8, and I have popups blocked....

Yay competition, rah rah rah! (2, Funny)

porcupine8 (816071) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698792)

A summary of just about all of his answers:

There's room for everyone! Competition is great! I love competition! C'mon, compete with me right now, I'll enjoy every minute of it! I'm born to compete! With competition. Whom I adore.

25 million broken downloads (1)

woodhouse (625329) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698796)

Yes, the download-breaking bug is annoying. I'm surprised they think this is a good thing.

Pessimists (1, Insightful)

skogs (628589) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698797)

I noticed several individuals saying that they had downloaded Firefox several times, when it only serves one or two actual users. Number of downloads does not equal number of users.

Remember this also: many responsible individuals, with good file management skills, have downloaded it once or twice, but actually installed and loaded it on several machines. I myself have turned roughly 25 users from the world of IE to Firefox. I have downloaded it twice.

If everybody did as I have done, then there would be ~65,000,000 users. While I realize not everybody will do this, I think it starts to make up for those that download it several times and only install it once. I think actually the number is probably about right for number of users. Many will download multiple times, many will decide that firefox is not for them, and many will share with friends. It all evens out.

It's fantastic (2, Interesting)

Electric Eye (5518) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698809)

I've downloaded it for my work PC, many of my freelance clients and several family members as well. Since then (at least for me) there has not been ONE case of spyware infecting my computer. Viva la Firefox, baby.

And it still doesn't... (-1, Offtopic)

Rurik (113882) | more than 9 years ago | (#11698811)

And it still doesn't save the URL in the address bar as soon as you open a new window. ARGH! Makes fark.com viewing horrible, as each link opens in a new window. And if the server is down, the URL isn't saved, so you have no idea what URL you were looking at when you get a timeout error.

Anyhow, I still use it. Even though it's not supported by my company (can't do any intranet work with it), nor is it supported by my college for online courses. Crap, that's all I do, no wonder I still use IE a lot :D

Anyway, 25 million down, how far can this ball go?
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