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70 comments

They knew about the problem,... (3, Insightful)

SetupWeasel (54062) | more than 9 years ago | (#11700653)

fixed it a year ago, and this is a preventative step?

The PSP has been getting a lot of flack for its problems, but at least it won't burn your house down.

Re:They knew about the problem,... (2, Informative)

hollismb (817357) | more than 9 years ago | (#11700819)

I wouldn't expect anyone on Slashdot to RTFA, but it hasn't burned down any houses:

"In almost all instances, any damage caused by these failures was contained within the console itself or limited to the tip of the power cord at the back of the console."

But in seven cases, customers reported sustaining a minor burn to their hand.

In 23 cases, customers reported smoke damage, or minor damage to a carpet or entertainment centre.

Re:They knew about the problem,... (2, Informative)

SetupWeasel (54062) | more than 9 years ago | (#11701001)

Let's say it happened when you weren't home. If the damage was great enough, you wouldn't know exactly what caused the fire. The fire fighters would probably call it an "electrical malfunctiion." Microsoft certainly wouldn't take responsibility without hard proof that an XBOX started a fire, and that would be very hard to get, because there is always other electrical appliances near an XBOX.

Scorching leads to burning.

Re:They knew about the problem,... (2, Funny)

Oliver Wendell Jones (158103) | more than 9 years ago | (#11702866)

Scorching leads to burning.

Burning leads to fear, fear leads to hate, yada yada dark side yada yada...

Give it a rest, Yoda, we've heard it all before.

Re:They knew about the problem,... (0, Flamebait)

tf98 (445086) | more than 9 years ago | (#11700908)

If this was Sony, the management would have to ritually disembowel themselves to protect their honour and prevent humiliation to their families.

hint hint Microsoft

Re:They knew about the problem,... (1)

sw33tjimmy (662009) | more than 9 years ago | (#11700967)

"If this was Sony, the management would have to ritually disembowel themselves to protect their honour and prevent humiliation to their families." Well, either that or refuse to acknoledge there was a disk read error situation to start with.

Re:They knew about the problem,... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11701612)

Not necessarily. It could be one of any number of things--maybe they changed suppliers after a certain date. Maybe the newer cables were made in a different plant. Game console hardware is revised all the time, and it's probably pretty hard to detect problems that occur less than .01% of the time.

I know Slashdotters hate Microsoft, but throwing around baseless, poorly thought-out accusations diminishes your credibility, not Microsoft's.

Re:They knew about the problem,... (1)

SetupWeasel (54062) | more than 9 years ago | (#11701774)

And I'm sure none of the XBOXes with "internal damage" were sent back to Microsoft. I really hope it isn't standard practice to throw items with warranty claims away without inspecting it to find out what happened to cause it.

Re:They knew about the problem,... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11702171)

Have you ever worked in support or repair? There simply isn't time to play detective on everything--it's simply not cost-effective. You find the component that's broken, you replace it, and you ship the thing back. Not to mention that sheer probability says that no single technician would be likely to ever see as many as two of these affected units.

Besides, there are plenty of ways that a console could suffer "internal damage"--a power surge of any kind, for instance. And God only knows how many they get back that have been damaged by some inept idiot attempting to modify his system with no knowledge but what's printed in broken English on the modchip instruction sheet.

Would you have caught the problem? And would you have been able to trace it back to the power cords that probably weren't even shipped back to the repair center? Would you really?

Re:They knew about the problem,... (1)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 9 years ago | (#11701917)

I wonder if the Xbox I am getting free (see link in sig) is going to need it's chord replaced.

MOD PARENT DOWN (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11702041)

...and then beat him with a heavy, sharp object.

Re:MOD PARENT DOWN (1)

unitron (5733) | more than 9 years ago | (#11708070)

" MOD PARENT DOWN...and then beat him with a heavy, sharp object."

Why bother, look how he spelled "cord", he's already suffered brain damage.

Re:They knew about the problem,... (1)

Fred Or Alive (738779) | more than 9 years ago | (#11702349)

It's unlikely the Xbox you get from this [scam / pyramid scheme] will be over a year old. I don't think the "Free X" things have been going on that long, so they probably bought the stock recently. If you RTFA the Xboxes in question are basically any since launch to early last year, I doubt you'll find many new Xboxes made that long ago.

I've had to look and the manufacturing date on my Xbox, and it was only a couple of months before I bough it at most. I've got a nice new power cable winging its way to me...

As for the scam, if you can afford to pay the people we you get referred $10, why can't you afford to just go into a shop and buy one? Or are you just tight, and want the illusion of a free lunch?

Re:They knew about the problem,... (1)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 9 years ago | (#11702696)

Why do you call it a scam? I got a free Ipod from the same company. I need just one more person to do an offer with them to get the free console.

Why $10? Because the console costs $150, so I can just pay $40 for it. Besides, I haven't had to pay all the people - some folks ask me to recipricate them and do their deal.

There are usually a few easy offers there where you don't pay anything - you just need to sign up for something and cancel it during the trial period. I did this most recently with the efax offer.

Of what illusion do you speak?

Re:They knew about the problem,... (1)

evdogg (825585) | more than 9 years ago | (#11704471)

I agree, pretty good deal. I am going for the Mac mini. If you would be willing to fulfill an offer for me, http://www.freeminimacs.com/?r=15117165/ [freeminimacs.com] , then I would be willing to do one for you.

Re:They knew about the problem,... (1)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 9 years ago | (#11705327)

K - will do it on Friday (tomorow).

Re:They knew about the problem,... (1)

IchBinEinPenguin (589252) | more than 9 years ago | (#11714971)

A firewall will be included in XBox-SP2.

There will then be a great debate over whether or not Microsoft should do this and put traditional suppliers of firewalls at risk.
In the end, those in the know will use thrid-party firewalls due to their superior features, like egress filtering.

Give me a break. (0, Redundant)

BoomerSooner (308737) | more than 9 years ago | (#11700654)

I just posted this exact same thing that got rejected.

Here is the link [xbox.com] to get it repaired.

Re:Give me a break. (2, Insightful)

Leroy_Brown242 (683141) | more than 9 years ago | (#11700848)

Yeah, maybe you were submitted 523 out of 10967. :)

Re:Give me a break. (1)

hattig (47930) | more than 9 years ago | (#11701128)

I submitted it around 3 hours ago, heh. The page was "Breaking News" at the time.

How much money for 14 million power cables plus packing and shipping do you reckon?

Re:Give me a break. (1)

Student_Tech (66719) | more than 9 years ago | (#11702472)

Well, given that I can get a generic cable that would work for $2 ($1.75 /each quanities > 10,) it even includes the ferite filter. Froogle seems to show that to be about the lowest you can get, unless you go eBay.

I would bet it would be about $0.25/cable in bulk, and another $0.50 - $1 for shipping.

So $6-10.5 million, if you have every elegible person apply I wanna guess.

Of course this is all just guessing.

Correction to my above post s/10.5/17.5/ ;s/6/10.5 (1)

Student_Tech (66719) | more than 9 years ago | (#11702519)

That should have been $10.5-17.5 million. Somewhere I got an 8 stuck in my head instead of 14.

Even then I still messed up my math...

Re:Give me a break. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11705230)

Don't forget to include the handling cost and the call center cost - this will more than double it...

Thanks for the link! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11703679)

I have an xbox, but don't follow xbox news. thanks for the link!

/submitted order

//wonders about all those xbox beowulf clusters

///seems to be spending more time farking than slashdotting lately

////maybe there ought to be a "news for nerds. stuff that matters" category for those of us that miss that kind of thing.

/////maybe I should just shut the hell up and enjoy the free show.

Order Replacements Here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11700684)

click [webprogram.com]

Any more details? (3, Informative)

Student_Tech (66719) | more than 9 years ago | (#11700997)

Everything I have read has been fairly scarce on the details. So far I know that it has something to do with the power cord, and that when there have been problems, it has been contained to the console or power cord tip.

If it is something internal, I seriously don't think a new power cord is going to help (unless it has like a fuse inline or something and the console pulls to much when the thing starts to smoke).
Is it just a better connection? Were people having the cord come out slightly and arcing?

Re:Any more details? (1)

FinestLittleSpace (719663) | more than 9 years ago | (#11701161)

it's the usual figure of 8 shaped cord isnt it? I hate these things and I don't really trust them as far as I can throw them. the thing I always noticed when i plugged the cord into the xbox whilst the cord was still plugged in was that as it went in, it sparked when it was NEARLY touching.

I still can't work out where the 'when left on' fire hazard comes from however.

Now to wait for my replacement...

Re:Any more details? (1)

riotous (113418) | more than 9 years ago | (#11709231)

there's a bit more detail here http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=57 961

Serves em right for stealing (1)

SgtChaireBourne (457691) | more than 9 years ago | (#11709275)

Serves em right for stealing.

As usual their tricks have backfired. Instead of trying to pull another Stac or Sendo, they should have just made a deal up front with George Foreman rather than trying to "innovate" his technology into their product.

C'mon it should have been obvious to any one.
LAN party = food + CPUs.
Intel CPUs = heat.
heat + food = grill

The probablility of danger (1)

delta_avi_delta (813412) | more than 9 years ago | (#11701225)

...must be relatively high. 14 million cables, shipping, etc - that's got to cost more than a couple of lawsuits.

This sort of thing happens all the time in the motor industry, according to my good friend Jack.

Re:The probablility of danger (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11715426)

if they ignore the cost they can be then tried criminally. plus the average lawsuit payment goes WAY up when they hide the problem and dont offer a recall.

No big deal (2, Informative)

devilsadvoc8 (548238) | more than 9 years ago | (#11701351)

As a previous poster claimed it happens all the time.

A google search of "electrical cord recall" nets 67,000 hits. On the first page you have Black & Decker, HP, and a petition for Apple to recall its power cord.

So all the MS haters blast away at their "incompetance" and attribute it to a massive anti-consumer rights conspiracy. Whatever. Just get a new cord and be quiet.

Re:No big deal (1)

bcmm (768152) | more than 9 years ago | (#11701446)

If I may quote Google:
Your search - "electrical cord recall" - did not match any documents.
Remove the quotes.

Not the same (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11701982)

Black & Decker's recall is due to: "...The electrical cords may have come in contact with the mounted saw blade during shipment, which could result in a possible shock hazard from a damaged cord."

HP's is due to: "The plug that connects the power cord to the printer may crack, exposing live electrical contacts and presenting a hazard for electric shock or electrocution."

And Apples' recall petition is for: "We, the undersigned, demand that Apple Computers immediately address the obvious and dangerous defect in the so-called "yo-yo" a/c power adapter cords designed for Apple iBook and Powerbook computers which leads to fraying of the cords, exposure of wires, and sparking."

So... frayed cords, frayed cords and frayed cords...

Nothing about NON frayed cords overheating and being a fire hazard.

Re:Not the same (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11706752)

NON-FRAYED CORDS! OH NO, MICROSOFT IS FUCKING US AGAIN!!!!!

Get over yourselves. Hell, I'll even take a karma bonus on this one.

Doublespeak alert... (0, Troll)

Leadhyena (808566) | more than 9 years ago | (#11701396)

The company said the move was a "preventative step"

Translation: Microsoft is trying to prevent themselves from being sued, not trying to prevent more XBOXen from burning down houses, although less XBOX meltdown is a benificial side effect.

Altruisitic action does not imply altruistic intent.

Re:Doublespeak alert... (1)

Ayaress (662020) | more than 9 years ago | (#11702520)

Linux developers strive to make Microsoft look bad, not to make Linux a better system.

[Every damn business in world history] is only trying to make profit, because that's what businesses do, not make/sell/provide a product/service.

Hospitals save lives because health care services bring massive profit margins, not because it saves lives.

People donate to charity so they can feel/act/look like better people and/or pay less on their taxes, not to help the disadvantaged.

I just swatted that fly because it was pissing me off, not to stop it from pissing somebody else off or spreading some kind of disease or something.

The argument doesn't work. Not getting sued and not burning down houses is the same thing by any measurable purpose, regardless of who's doing it.

Re:Doublespeak alert... (1)

Leadhyena (808566) | more than 9 years ago | (#11703986)

I would counterclaim that your argument is without merit. The problem with it is that there really are altruistic people out there working for companies, there really are benificient software developers, there really are thoughtful and civic-minded companies that have morals and forethought. I'm only pointing out that those people obviously don't work for the XBOX division of Microsoft, because otherwise they wouldn't have manipulated the UL testing that much to allow something so haneous to occur in the first place.

UL cerification is there for a reason, and if a power cord is causing fires (which isn't that common anymore), then either someone at UL screwed up or someone at UL got paid/pressured to pass that cord. This is a safety issue that Microsoft should have had their finger on and corrected before release. My 2 cents is that they already knew of the issue (because while Microsoft may be evil, they aren't stupid), and it was only until recently that they were called on the carpet for it.

Most companies have better scruples than that.

Re:Doublespeak alert... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11719614)

Altruism is by nature sacrifice. Sacrifice means that, while the action may be better for the greater good, by some ideological or religious standard, it is not good for the individual who performs the action. The greater good is an abstract concept which, in most cases, can never be quantified. The harm caused to the individual, however, is concrete--and the acting individual, being an altruist, is fully-aware of this negative consequence. Altruism is by definition a bad idea.

Love, kindness, humbleness, generosity, chivalry, etc., are too often lumped in with altruism. Being a good person brings happiness to everyone and requires no sacrifice whatsoever. Being a good person is not altruistic. Sacrifice is altruistic. If there are any altruistic people working for Microsoft, they should be fired immediately!

Now, and ONLY now... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11701441)

... can anybody say video games are dangerous. --- Slashdot roulette: Placing bets on +1 funny.

Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.. (1)

chrismcdirty (677039) | more than 9 years ago | (#11701508)

Maybe Jack Thompson can start a class-action suit claiming video games are responsible for all cases of houses burning down due to electrical fire.

Just another day .. (3, Funny)

OmgTEHMATRICKS (836103) | more than 9 years ago | (#11701603)

Boy: Daddy, let's plug in the XBox!
Daddy: Sure thing, son! Let's just get this power cable here all hooked up an- OH MY GOD!

*FWOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSH!*

Orderd mine (0, Redundant)

generalleoff (760847) | more than 9 years ago | (#11701648)

I dont know how they screwed up the power cord of all things (it's the most simple part of the xbox) but mines orderd and should be here in a few days.

Orderd as William H Gates like everything else I get from MS :)

Ho hum, why am I surprised? (1)

musicman2059 (672439) | more than 9 years ago | (#11701748)

M$ already tried to burn up our entertainment centers with exploding CPUs, now this? Why am I not surprised?

Sure... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11701979)

Trade in your old plain power cord for our new and improved DRM power-cord!

Here's the problem (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11702214)

Since I know more about this than I can post from my own computer without getting into trouble...

The cords are basically safe. Just like any other electrical device, if someone screws with the cord, you can have a problem or issue. If the machine that was winding the wires that make up the power cord, for example, ended up only having 7 strands of wire instead of 8 due to operator error, then the wire can still carry the load, but it may get warm. (GM, for example, had this problem with their new truck tailgate cables - they weren't quite as rust-proof as they thought.)

So what are we talking about here? The cords are designed for normal, everyday usage. They are NOT designed to be used like your computer power cord, where you turn the thing on and just leave it on 24/7/365. What's happened is that there have been instances where the consoles were just left on, with the power save disabled. Then people go away, you have power surges, and the cords end up shorting out something inside the console.

The burns have come from people unplugging their consoles after long periods of running, and they were just plain hot. Overload anything electrical and then touch the power cord, and you'll get a burn.

Re:Here's the problem (1)

mink (266117) | more than 9 years ago | (#11713815)

So you are saying that the power cord shipped in an Xbox is incapable of passing the current necessary for operation without generating large amounts of heat (enough to burn you after a number of hours).
This is just bad design and might even legally be an issue for them.

another lawsuit idea to blame videogames (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11702351)

Boy sets house on fire, says "My XBOX gave me the idea when it caught my carpet on fire". Lawyers for the homeowners are planning to sue Microsoft for encouraging arson in teens with their XBOX console.

Of course they knew (1)

jedimasta (854265) | more than 9 years ago | (#11702445)

Well, they knew a lot longer than just recently anyway. Judging by the manuafcaturer dates they posted, I'd say they recognized a flaw and changed their manufacturing process late 2003 and hoped for the best...then lawsuits started. As far as the suits themeselves, my sources [media-geeks.com] said that several cases of minor burns, furniture scorching and carpet singing occured, so a few property damage suits, minor injury, etc...

You realize, of course... (1)

Moryath (553296) | more than 9 years ago | (#11705882)

that they retool the design process every few months anyways.

They alter the cord... because they get a new, lower-bidding supplier, or because they can make the cord for a few cents cheaper per cord (trust me, it adds up!) a new way.

They alter the PSU, change suppliers on the internal components like the DVD drive, switch to a different variety of internal cabling... it happens all the time.

The fact that only the older cords were changed at some point could be due to any one of a dozen design changes that they made to cut down the production cost, and it isn't an indication that they knew of any problems with them.

Re:You realize, of course... (1)

jedimasta (854265) | more than 9 years ago | (#11705912)

Okay, but you can admit, it COULD be that they discovered a flaw.

Then will you kindly admit (1)

Moryath (553296) | more than 9 years ago | (#11706372)

that even if they "discovered" a flaw, actually tracking it down and being sure of the cause of a flaw with a failure rate of a mere 1 in 10,000 is going to take a while to work through?

Re:Then will you kindly admit (1)

jedimasta (854265) | more than 9 years ago | (#11706684)

Like say.... almost 2 years perhaps? This is fun, yer turn! Seriously though, I figure the 1 in 10k number could mean a couple things including that that percentage relates to the number that were produced using that particular method or from one particular plant. I think we can agree that there's a lotta truth out there we'll never know.

Open Source Powercords... (4, Funny)

seann (307009) | more than 9 years ago | (#11702667)

would have prevented this. Another bit of proof that MS IS EVIL!!!

Re:Open Source Powercords... (1)

IchBinEinPenguin (589252) | more than 9 years ago | (#11715057)

Obviously: if the specs of the cord had been available to everyone, then someone could have spotted the design flaw and corrected it.

Apparently you can download patch-cable from xboxupdate.microsoft.com to alleviate the problem.

Can we be realistic for a second? (4, Informative)

Moryath (553296) | more than 9 years ago | (#11702856)

Recalls happen all the time. In just about every industry. Exercise equipment, automobiles, televisions... you name it, there's been a recall. It happens.

It's not like there is a humongous danger. Nobody's house was burned down or car exploded, unlike several automobile types where a recall (faulty wiring in the ignition units and steering column pieces) only happened after lives were lost.

The facts are:
- The failure rate on these cords is listed as 1 in 10,000.
- The failure ONLY happens when the unit has been on for a ridiculously long time (read: someone just turned off the power-save feature and let the thing run all day and night).

- Seven people had minor burns from unplugging the cords while they were still hot.
- 23 people smelled smoke or had minor damage (likely plastic melting, which is what you'd expect when the low-grade plastics used in most entertainment centers comes in contact with an overheated wire) to their entertainment centers or carpet (likely synthetic carpet that melted).

I know, there are plenty of little trolls out there who hate MS, but seriously. They're doing the right thing and recalling the cords.

No, the fact that cords after October 23, 2003 aren't susceptible to this isn't an indication they knew about it - it could be a standard part of ongoing redesigns (which they do every few months to lower the production costs anyways). Or it could be that they went to a new vendor, who were making the cords to a higher standard or with a different process anyways.

Or it could simply be that they were investigating the CAUSE of the incidents before they did anything - after all, if the culprit were really the power supply, then replacing the cords wouldn't have done any good.

So come on. They're doing the right thing. Give them credit for doing it, in spite of the fact that the raving MS-hater lunatics are going to be spewing "OMG did yew see the xbox got recalled haha" all over chat boards for the next couple weeks, and move on.

Re:Can we be realistic for a second? (1)

mink (266117) | more than 9 years ago | (#11713907)

I give em credit, but realize how bad a problem is if the cords are so poorly made that they heat up to the point of melting carpet.

They are lucky no one was killed after falling asleep with the Xbox on.

I think they should have sent a bit extra making sure stuff like that never happened by getting power cords speced for handling a higher load then what they expected to be drawn by the machine.

The internal fuses are whats supposed to die in the event of a short not the power cord.

If it was the cord design... (1)

Moryath (553296) | more than 9 years ago | (#11714227)

then that'd be one thing.

It's not, though. They've only got 30 instances so far. Their (obviously leaning on the safe-side) estimate of the failure rate is approximately 1 in 10,000. How many Xboxes have been sold again?

More likely, there was some thing in the production line that wasn't quite right, or one of several vendors they'd contracted to make the cords wasn't up to spec. It happens - there are thousands of product recalls a year in the States alone.

I for one wish Sony had recalled the first-gen PS2's when tons of their DVD drives died after the first year; those motors were never designed to spin constantly at the rate required to stream a DVD movie.

Re:If it was the cord design... (1)

mink (266117) | more than 9 years ago | (#11718053)

I have a revision 2 PS2(out of the 12 models cylon^H^H^H^H^H) and I never used it for movie playing. It seams to play all type media (even runs film discs is I putthem in to test) just fine after all these years.
I do agree that SONY makes cheap crap for consoles, my PSX wont work unless at a greater then 45 deg. angle (the upside down trick dont work). I know people who have gone through several PS2 units.

Why this isn't on the front page. (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 9 years ago | (#11703011)

This isn't on the front page because one doesn't directly insult one of your largest ad buyers...

Microsoft geo-locates all owners (2, Interesting)

p3bf (459005) | more than 9 years ago | (#11703488)

Ah, the beauty of it. All that statistical data, tying the serial number of your xbox to a physical location.

Now those who don't even have xbox live can enjoy data association and aggregation.

Re:Microsoft geo-locates all owners (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11706720)

So you mean to say I wasn't the only one with privacy concerns on the mind in this story, just because MS is involved?

We must both be nuts (in a good way).

Support (5, Funny)

Taulin (569009) | more than 9 years ago | (#11705300)

I always told people XBox had firewire support

Master Plan (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11706641)

There is no defect. Microsoft just initiated the self-destruct sequence in preparation for the launch of xbox 2.

I wonder.... (3, Interesting)

another_plonk (534010) | more than 9 years ago | (#11709581)

Considering that the power cable is probably the cheapest part of the system to replace, I wonder if this might not be an excuse to collect data of Xbox owners.

a) The release of Xbox Next is imminent (i.e. comming fall/winter.) Microsoft may be wanting to collect data for massive marketing or regional statistics.

b) Microsoft may be wanting to collect data to crackdown on modders. With Xbox live, they can determine the serial number of modded Xboxes. Considering that you have to enter the serial number of your Xbox to order your power cord replacement, they might be collecting the addresses of the owners of these Xboxes.

Re:I wonder.... (1)

567432-1 (862706) | more than 9 years ago | (#11777282)

Ive just been thinking all what you wrote before even i read your comment. i believe its very possible that microsoft is attempting to gather information regarding which model xbox you have to go with the information that they gather from xbox live and its registration.

Then again they may be using the code to find out where the console was constructed so they can rule out the need for a new cable, but how can they be sure when cables can be changed.

oddly form does not work with firefox. (2, Interesting)

leuk_he (194174) | more than 9 years ago | (#11709844)

Users are noticing that entering the ordering form with firefox can report you do not need a replacement cable, but if you fill in the same serial number in explorer you suddenly do.

i gues it is called firefox for a reason.

This notice is for Canada as well! (1)

hotdip (804898) | more than 9 years ago | (#11712823)

Here is a news story about the same issue in Canada as well.

http://www.lesaffaires.com/index.asp [lesaffaires.com] (the linked article is written in french.)

yet another MS bashing story on /. (1)

IchBinEinPenguin (589252) | more than 9 years ago | (#11714906)

Seriously, haven't people leanr that you need a firewall yet, especially if you're running Microsoft products?

Only One Recall (1)

Paradizzle (853542) | more than 9 years ago | (#11716765)

Yeah they recalled the power cords thats cool. How about they recall the entire xbox because of the faulty thompson dvd drives put in most of the original xboxs. They know that problem exists and yet still want you to pay $80 plus S&H to get it fixed.
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  • em
  • strong
  • tt
  • blockquote
  • div
  • quote
  • ecode

"ecode" can be used for code snippets, for example:

<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>
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