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Google Building Tech Center Near Portland

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the portland-sucks-tell-your-friends dept.

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jdray writes "It seems that everyone's favorite search powerhouse, Google, is building a tech center in The Dalles, Oregon. About 45 minutes by interstate highway from Portland, The Dalles is a small, economically depressed city near the world-famous Columbia River Gorge. The $60,000 average annual salary of Google employees is about double the average for Wasco county. With all the outdoor sports (windsurfing, hiking, mountain biking, skiing) in the area, sports-minded geeks should be flocking to apply for a job at the new facility."

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Cheap so and so's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724074)

I thought the same thing when they built one in Soho (London)... but then realised that their average salary was approximatly 100k under the average for Soho. Ho hum!

FP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724075)

GNAA mofo!

Welcome to GoogleRecruiting.com (5, Insightful)

HarryCaul (25943) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724077)


Formerly known as slashdot.

Seriously guys, it's getting to be a bit much.

Google is a company with a nice product. That's about it.

Re:Welcome to GoogleRecruiting.com (2, Funny)

grazzy (56382) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724110)

Hey, ssh, quiet down, they're "searching".

Re:Welcome to GoogleRecruiting.com (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724270)

The problem is, all true geeks nurse a desire to work at Google. Which is why (a) Slashdot keeps doing drool drool articles about them; and (b) they don't really need anybody's help recruiting people. Indeed, unless you have a really good resume, you probably shouldn't even bother.

Re:Welcome to GoogleRecruiting.com (1)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724295)

The problem is, all true geeks nurse a desire to work at Google.

Errr, no they don't. Some geeks nurse a desire, and in a classic bit of "creating the earth in their image" they imagine that therefore all geeks want to work at Google. Search and making web apps that do type ahead really isn't the most personally fulfilling thing one can imagine.

Re:Welcome to GoogleRecruiting.com (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724390)

If you think Google is mainly about "web apps that do typeahead", you know very little about them. Which means you know very little about geekdom.

Thank you (1)

Sanity (1431) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724383)

Finally someone said it and managed to do so without getting modded as flamebait or trolling.

Give me a job! (-1, Troll)

Prophetic_Truth (822032) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724079)

working for google would probably be pretty cool don't you guys think?

Re:Give me a job! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724109)

no their search results suck

Re:Give me a job! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724272)

yeah, and their free email doesn't have enough capacity

Re:Give me a job! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724262)

I guess that depends if you think $60k is a lot of money or not! Personally, I don't. You could get around 3 times that sum working for an investment bank, doing largely similar work, and you would get to live in a cool city like NYC or London.

Re:Give me a job! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724274)

How about the web sites of some recruiters? I'll take that coin...

Re:Give me a job! (1)

climbing_monkey (809613) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724290)

yeah but $60k doesn't go nearly as far in NYC than it does in portland - the land of no sales tax (god do i miss it)

Re:Give me a job! (1)

Cromac (610264) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724401)

Better a sales tax than an income tax, especially if you're making a good wage.

$60,000 isn't that much (1)

no parity (448151) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724080)

Are they all hoping for stock options, or are they working "for the glory"?

Re:$60,000 isn't that much (2, Insightful)

mtrichardson (531417) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724130)

It is in a place like The Dalles...

Re:$60,000 isn't that much (5, Interesting)

Peter Cooper (660482) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724138)

If you compare it to the salary surveys that seem to go around, no, it doesn't look anything magical. If you compare it to reality, however, then $60,000 is pretty respectable when you consider all the benefits they get.

I'm thinking that Google is pulling the old 'provide everything at work, and make work so "fun" that they'll stay all hours' trick. This works for a while, but when your employees start getting girlfriends and kids, it kinda goes to pot. Still, as previous news stories here have shown us, married, old staff are not as innovative or useful as young hopefuls, so perhaps this plan isn't so bad on Google's part after all.

Heck, I know coders who make $30,000 a year in major metropolitan areas without Googlesque benefits. Google are just placing themselves above the average in an increasingly popular trend.. but they're no Microsoft, that's for sure.

Re:$60,000 isn't that much (2, Insightful)

goober1473 (714415) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724413)

Anyone considered that the move is to reduce costs? In the UK anywhere near London carries a huge cost to employees in housing etc, where as the north of England is much cheaper. With these kind of underlying cost cuts google could be looking to cut the staffing budget.

Re:$60,000 isn't that much (0, Flamebait)

0racle (667029) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724149)

Most Technology workers aren't worth what they're paid anyway. They should consider themselves very lucky to get paid that much.

Re:$60,000 isn't that much (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724189)

it's about time /.ers got real about salaries. $60k is a bloody awful lot of money

Re:$60,000 isn't that much (4, Funny)

nybble_me (572503) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724225)

**AVERAGE** That means that 1/2 of their people make more than $60,000/year. I'm sure they have receptionists and janitors making way less.

Re:$60,000 isn't that much (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724257)

**AVERAGE** That means that 1/2 of their people make more than $60,000/year.

No. That's the median.

I guess we all know which side of the median you're on.

the south (1, Offtopic)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724082)

All tech houses seem to be in the North...nothing in the south? Why? Will this be called the GooglePlex?

Re:the south (2)

Chatmag (646500) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724127)

According to some folks, the only thing down here in Florida are spammers, which is not accurate.

While there are a small group of lowlife spammers in Florida, there are also many good Internet related companies, including us. And, we have front row seats for the Shuttle launches :)

Re:the south (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724128)

No tech houses in the south because there they're called "tech trailers."

What about Texas? (Re:the south) (1)

Joe Tennies (564856) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724245)

I would assume you don't consider Texas part of the south than. There are probably as many tech companies there as the Silicon Valley.

Also RedHat and Epic Megagames are in N.C. Tiberon (makers of Madden Football for EA) is in Florida. There's definitely some.

Re:What about Texas? (Re:the south) (1)

leonmergen (807379) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724322)

Also RedHat and Epic Megagames are in N.C. Tiberon (makers of Madden Football for EA) is in Florida. There's definitely some.

Oohhh, Epic Megagames... that brings up memories. Didn't we all just love jazz jackrabbit and extreme pinball ? :-)

Why don't they try... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724085)

improving their search results instead.

Hmm? (5, Funny)

Faust7 (314817) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724092)

sports-minded geeks

Who what now?

Re:Hmm? (1)

Cracell (788266) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724118)

Hey sports are fun, there are more out there then you think.

Re:Hmm? (1)

notanatheist (581086) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724145)

Yes, sports minded geeks! Check out my new toy on my site. Indoor bike trainer that interfaces with the PC. Making pain more fun!

Re:Hmm? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724250)

When.

It's been said that the singularity happens when geeks take up sports.

Re:Hmm? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724331)

Yeah, some of us get mixed up [penny-arcade.com] .

Google building a new complex... (1, Funny)

Capt'n Hector (650760) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724093)

Will they call it a googleplex?

Ow, stop throwing things at me!

Re:Google building a new complex... (1)

game kid (805301) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724187)

Will they call it a googleplex?

Since a googolplex is 10^(10^100) [www.fpx.de] --one with a googol of zeros after--it'll be a rather...powerful statement.

(Very interestingly the googolplex is not recognized [google.com] by the built-in Google calculator, which "knows" the googol. [google.com] )
Ow, stop throwing things at me!

Ok. (throws a final tomato at Capt. Hector's head as [s]he turns around ;) )

Re:Google building a new complex... (5, Informative)

XorNand (517466) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724281)

Probably not since that's what they call their existing complex [google.com] .

Sports geeks? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724099)

Is that some sort of oxymoron? True geeks play video games most of the time.

Re:Sports geeks? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724271)

FIFA 2005

eh? (3, Funny)

ImTheDarkcyde (759406) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724101)

Did i spy geeks and sports in the same sentence?

Not that we windows users don't enjoy living dangerously.

Re:eh? (4, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724121)

Did i spy geeks and sports in the same sentence?

Not that we windows users don't enjoy living dangerously.


Using Windows isn't sport, it's masochism.

Re:eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724316)

I wonder who you offended to get modded troll, a Windows user, or a Masochist?

Ideal location for geeks (4, Interesting)

Peter Cooper (660482) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724115)

These sorts of locations are ideal for geek workers. If you're running a design or marketing agency, being out of town is going to really hurt your company, but for the sort of people Google hires, this is ideal. Your money goes a lot further out of town, so you can spend more on gadgets, and since they're indoor types anyway, it's ideal. Perhaps more tech companies should be getting out of the smoke and letting their workers live in more idyllic locations. I certainly appreciate being out in the sticks and getting less distractions.

Re:Ideal location for geeks (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724129)

Problem is if you get fired or, more likely, laid off you are SOL and have to move at a time when you really can't afford it. The way Google's search results currently look this may very well be a possibility in the near future.

Re:Ideal location for geeks (2, Interesting)

tprox (621523) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724238)

This really depends on the age and stage of life of said recruits. I would think, generally, that a younger out-of-college crowd would appreciate being in or near a city. For the older crowd, or those starting families, living out in the sticks as you call it would definitely be less distracting.

Re:Ideal location for geeks (2, Insightful)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724339)

Moving to some remote location to work for one specific employer, with no other viable employment in the region, sounds like a crazy plan. Once you're there, have a family and some roots, Google has the capability of turning the screws until you bleed [google.ca] .

There will come a time, possibly in the not so distant future, when Google is Just Another Employee, and they're battling for survival amongst a wide range of contenders [msn.com] to the throne. Suddenly they're not giving out raises, or asking for salary concessions, and the game room and free gym membership are closed down...

Re:Ideal location for geeks (2, Interesting)

fm6 (162816) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724379)

Money is the key issue. It costs a lot to live in Silicon Valley. In most of the country, $60K is a lot. But it's not enough to afford a decent house within an hour's drive of Google's current headquarters in Mountain View.

What's really interesting is that they bought the land, presumably with an eye to developing it themselves. Which means yet another attempt to build a geek paradise office building. A risky enterprise -- CEOs such as Phillipe Kahn have lost there jobs over this sort of thing.

Re:Ideal location for geeks (1)

ces (119879) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724408)

I agree that this is perhaps not a bad idea for tech companies.

I also believe Oregon has some major incentives for tech companies to locate in economicly depressed areas (pretty much anywhere outside of the Portland area). For example Symantech has most of their IT staff in Springfield, OR.

There are some advantages for the employees too beyond the outdoor recreation opportunities, namely: lower cost of living, less traffic/shorter commutes, and far lower housing prices. (if you make $60K/year you can afford a nice house in the Dalles. In San Jose, Seattle, or even Portland you can't really afford a house on $60K/year, forget getting a nice one)

Google moves to The Dalles (5, Funny)

mctk (840035) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724122)

Locals wonder about "internet" phenomenon.

Expect more of this (4, Interesting)

bigtallmofo (695287) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724126)

This is going to be The Next Big Thing. Such "Rural Sourcing" has been going on somewhat quietly for a while now and is giving offshoring your workforce a serious run for its money.

There's even a company named (imagine that) "Rural Sourcing, Inc." that is consulting companies on how they can open up call centers, technology centers, etc. in economically depressed or extremely rural areas of the U.S.

Re:Expect more of this (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724216)

I don't know if investing in The Dalles area would really qualify as Rural Outsourcing. In any case though, $60K is probably still a lot of money if you compare to places like India and China. Is it not a little weird that companies like Google and Skype are not moving all their operations overseas? The nature of their businesses makes it really easy to operate from any location in the globe. It should be much harder for a manufacturing shop to move overseas because of all the logistics involved. If this is indeed the case though, why do we still see companies like Google and Skype operating from Europe an USA when it would be much cheaper to do so from elsewhere? Maybe their decisions could point to some pitfalls of the outsourcing model.

45 minutes?!? (4, Informative)

Brian Knotts (855) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724134)

If you drive 120 miles an hour, maybe. It's at mile marker 82 or so. Do the math.

Re:45 minutes?!? (3, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724191)

If you drive 120 miles an hour, maybe. It's at mile marker 82 or so. Do the math.

Okay...

82 miles take 41 minutes to make at 120mph. Driving at 109mph will get you there in 45 minutes.

Re:45 minutes?!? (2, Funny)

Brian Knotts (855) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724199)

Since we're being pedantic...that only gets you to the exit. You still need a few minutes to get to the actual location. :-)

Re:45 minutes?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724194)

yeah, no kidding . . . from yahoo maps:
Starting from: Portland, OR

Arriving at: The Dalles, OR
Distance: 83.6 miles
Travel Time: ~1 hour 27 mins

sure, it's a scenic drive, but not what one would call convenient for commuting.

Re:45 minutes?!? (2, Informative)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724217)

The Dalles is about 1.25 hours from downtown Portland, I know a lot of people that commute an hour or more up here in Seattle. If you live in the burbs, it's closer. But if I worked in The Dalles, I'd live nearby. Also, The Dalles is not Bumfuck Nowhere, it's a very nice little town near Bonneville Dam, some spectacular vistas in the Columbia River Gorge, and is becoming quite "gentrified" with rich yuppies who are bailing out of the city. It's a two Starbucks town...

Re:45 minutes?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724286)

Oh, and Hanford is nearby as well.

Re:45 minutes?!? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724305)

My parents live near The Dalles. I went to high school in The Dalles. The Dalles is an economically depressed shithole. However, it is close to good skiing, hiking, mountain biking, and - of course - sail boarding. Hood River is also nearby, which is a much nicer place to live.

Re:45 minutes?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724314)

It's a two Starbucks town...

Is it a town because of Starbucks or are there Starbucks because it's a town?

Re:45 minutes?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724378)

More importantly, what does the convert to in horses?

Re:45 minutes?!? (1)

climbing_monkey (809613) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724377)

there are plenty of ppl in the portland metro area who have long commutes, its life - you'll just have to deal with it. it could be worse, you could be driving down to salem (the capital).

Re:45 minutes?!? (2, Funny)

fatcow (121528) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724310)

My thoughts, exactly

Why, let's ask GOOGLE! [google.com]

Are trees at stake? (-1, Flamebait)

Space_Soldier (628825) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724140)

I don't care if they are going to build a few buildings and parking lots on those 12.14 hectares as long they don't kill 30 acres of trees.

Re:Are trees at stake? (2, Informative)

SerialHistorian (565638) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724223)

Um. Obviously you've never been there, but I still don't understand why you posted that. There really aren't that many trees in The Dalles. It's mostly prarie-type high plateu... halfway between grassland and desert, and very dry.

Re:Are trees at stake? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724321)

My guess is that they bought property next to the defunct aluminum plant. There are no trees and a while back the port authority prepared the area for industrial use.

Am I the only one who thinks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724146)

That Google search results really suck right now? What the hell happened to them?

Re:Am I the only one who thinks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724180)

People learned how to game their system. It's like why microsoft has all the spyware.

I'm sure that google has been working very hard to come up with better methods, and when they're finished touching it up they'll roll it out.

why? (4, Interesting)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724162)

With all the outdoor sports (windsurfing, hiking, mountain biking, skiing) in the area, sports-minded geeks should be flocking to apply for a job at the new facility

The Yahoo story I read (several days ago) said that maybe 100 jobs would be created. Not a lot, folks...and that's 100 jobs total. Not "100 techie jobs"...100 -jobs-.

Those jobs won't be doing sexy things. The only reason you put a facility in the middle of nowhere is because it's cheap in terms of space. Skilled labor is virtually nonexistant and relocation expensive.

Google strikes me as being like the Army. They talk a great talk(in Google's case, innovation, exciting workplace, etc; in the Army's, it's "defending freedom" and "jobs skills") and show you eye candy galore, and when you actually get in, you spend your time wading in shit (metaphorically in Google's case).

Nevermind the locals are going to hate you because you're making twice what they are and you're "some city kid", etc. Experience has told me, "trickle down" is never popular until you forcibly remind people (for example, I've heard of companies exchanging cash to silver dollars for employees to use in the local town, to demonstrate to the community just how much of their income comes from employees).

No thanks, I'll pass.

Re:why? (0, Troll)

Legodude522 (847797) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724334)

I hate city slickers. My family been in this town since before the revolution. So I say fuck off. My town is over run and controlled by city slickers.

Re:why? (2, Insightful)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724342)

Those jobs won't be doing sexy things. The only reason you put a facility in the middle of nowhere is because it's cheap in terms of space. Skilled labor is virtually nonexistant and relocation expensive... ... Nevermind the locals are going to hate you because you're making twice what they are and you're "some city kid", etc.

Portland is full of skilled labor, and from the Portland burbs, The Dalles is very commutable. The quality of life in The Dalles is quite high as more and more yuppies bail out of Portland for more rural and livable areas. The Dalles is not the same town it was 20 years ago. Also, Oregonians are much more progressive than you seem to imply. You've never been here, I cam tell.

Tired: Outsourcing Wired: Insourcing (3, Insightful)

imperious_rex (845595) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724169)

This is just more proof of an under-reported trend in IT: insourcing. Google gets cheap(er) labor AND avoids bad PR from outsourcing to some foreign locale known for cheap labor. $60k annual for IT work is almost a joke in the Bay Area, but it's Big Bux in rural areas like the Dalles (Hell, even I don't make that much. Hmmmmmm...maybe I should consider getting a job there, despite my aversion to rural living)

Hopefully desks, not servers (4, Interesting)

afabbro (33948) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724170)

Putting lots of people in the Dalles makes sense. Putting lots of computer doesn't. Let's see:
  • In the Columbia river flood plain
  • In an earthquake zone
  • Not far from the Umatilla chemical weapons depot
  • And the big one: we're overdue for the every-300-year Cascadian subduction zone tsunami event, which will roll right up the Columbia river. And there are dams both West and East of the Dalles...

I'm just saying...not where I'd put a data center. Many of the major data centers in Portland have moved elsewhere in the last 20 years for reasons such as this. (Yes, there are still some around...I work at one).

Re:Hopefully desks, not servers (1)

Xzzy (111297) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724237)

> I'm just saying...not where I'd put a data center.

Well look where they built silicon valley. ;)

Your argument is likely falling on deaf ears.

Re:Hopefully desks, not servers (2, Funny)

shine-shine (529700) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724300)

> Putting lots of people in the Dalles makes sense. Putting lots of computer doesn't.

It's good to know what we value most.

Hanford Too! (1)

feyhunde (700477) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724412)

Hanford Nuclear, where uranium becomes weapons grade plutonium, is not too far from The Dalles either. So when the earthquake comes, it will 1. Cause the dams to brake, which will create a flood, which will let free the nuclear materials and the gas. Of course, The Dalles is upwind. Chicago and Idaho and such are downwind....

Additional information for slashdotters (4, Informative)

Brian Knotts (855) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724173)

We're all conservative rednecks out here and it's always windy, and we get snowstorms and ice storms.

$$$: Motivation for The Dalles, Oregon (3, Informative)

reporter (666905) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724174)

The principal reason that Google's management is building a technology center in Oregon is that building and running such a center in Oregon is cheaper than building and running such a center in Silicon Valley. Similar reasoning applies for why the management chose an economically depressed city in Oregon.

Even now, taxes in California are high, and so is the price of property. Why else would management explicitly build a technology center far away from an elite university like Stanford University or UC-Berkeley?

If more companies would do what Google is doing, then the Californian government will start to lower taxes and to limit the number of legal/illegal immigrants flooding into the state. The latter is the cause of the high prices of apartments and residential homes.

$200,000 gets you an excellent, spacious house in most places in Oregon or Texas. That same $200,000 gets you, barely, a small noisy condominium in Silicon Valley.

Proximity to Cal, Stanford overrated (1)

Ars-Fartsica (166957) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724404)

Many of these Valley firms are hiring developers from the east coast, IIT (India) and universities in Russia and China. The proximity to Stanford and Cal is not relevant anymore. In fact I might say it is even irrelevant. These universities have moved on to biotech and to a lesser extent nanotech anyway as "big idea" fields.

I grew up in The Dalles (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724184)

The Dalles is a depressed area that suffers from a heavy criminal activities. Meth labs are common place in the area and meth junkies are prevalent everywhere. The drug has reached epidemic proportions there and I'm amazed google hasn't taken that into considering when deciding where the facility should be located.

Hopefully any geeks that decide to move there are well armed incase of any incidents.

Re:I grew up in The Dalles (0)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724259)

First of all, these days you can find meth labs just about anywhere. But in general, your characterization of The Dalles is bullshit, so much so in fact that I can tell you have never been there. I think you are thinking about some of the shit-holes in Washington and Oregon, like Wenatchee. The Dalles has been steadily moving in the yuppie direction for the last 15 years or so.

Re:I grew up in The Dalles (1)

Sophrosyne (630428) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724265)

Just out of curiosity- why would Google consider whether there are Meth labs or no Meth labs in a city when looking to open a branch office? Do you think they are worried all their employees will start doing Meth?

Re:I grew up in The Dalles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724352)

Thats how Google comes up with all their wacky ideas.

Oregon = The Anti-Microsoft (3, Funny)

rsmith-mac (639075) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724186)

Is anyone else noticing an interesting trend here as far as company location goes? Though Oregon already has a ton of high-tech companies(including Intel R&D), this is the second major Microsoft competitor to set up shop there in a year(the first being the OSDL). As an Oregonian I certainly welcome this, though I'm starting to wonder if I should get a bomb shelter should MS want to obliterate the competition in more ways than one.

Silicon Valley Part Deux? (4, Interesting)

Ars-Fartsica (166957) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724195)

When many of the pioneers of "the Valley" first set up shop, they were building on cheap farmland far away from the sky-high rents of San Francisco, and even Palo Alto. Look at a map of a place like Cupertino in the 60s...you will be blown away...nothing but farms. Some tech companies looked for cheap digs...and look at things now.

one catch (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724197)

You have to float your wagon down the Columbia and avoid the rocks.

It's a lot cheaper there.. (3, Informative)

EvilStein (414640) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724208)

"Google, based in Mountain View, California, is expected to pay $1.87 million for the parcel of industrial-zoned land 85 miles east of Portland, with an option to buy three other area sites."

Dude, around here, (Mountain View) 1.87 million will get you diddly squat. 1.87 million for 30 acres near Portland, OR isn't all that bad. That's a beautiful area, not far from Portland or the PDX airport (lots of flights to Seattle and down here to the Silicon Valley every day) and Portland also has a lot of young professional types.

Not a bad move overall. :)

But Portland is a Liberal hellhole (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724301)

If you want to be near a bunch of anarchists and whiney liberals wearing tinfoil hats, Portland area is for you!

and then you'll realize (0, Troll)

climbing_monkey (809613) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724231)

and after all of you sports minded geeks flock to portland you'll realize that there arn't an people of color, but then again, it is the nw and ya know, oregon is the northern hot bed for neo-nazi's and the KKK so why would people of color exactly want to live in portland (hell, thats one of the reasons i moved my ass out of there this past june).
but rest assured, you'll have plenty of organic food, clean water, the wonderful dirty willamette river (well not if you live in the dalles but if you're in pdx then you're fine), and rain to your disposal. have fun!

what about kiteboarding? (1)

quakemeister (190139) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724239)

windsurfing is so 80's.

Why is Google so important? (-1, Flamebait)

kaalamaadan (639250) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724241)

Should it be allowed to become all-important?

I find that hard to believe (1)

Zoc_All_Alone (177585) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724242)

No, I know for a fact they aren't going to build a Google complex in The Dalles.

How? I asked Google Maps [google.com]

:P

Little-known irrelevant fact (5, Funny)

Limburgher (523006) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724248)

The Dalles was a point along the oregon trail.

CmdrTaco has cholera.

Found 32 pounds of food.

You broke a wagon tongue.

Ah, those were the good old days.

Re:Little-known irrelevant fact (1)

doormat (63648) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724313)

Damnit, where are my mod points. Thats the first thing I thought when I saw "The Dalles". Playing Oregon Trail in elementary school.. so fun...

oxymoron? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724306)

sport-minded geeks?!? wtf?

Very common occurence nationwide. (3, Interesting)

jwcorder (776512) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724335)

The call center I work for is in a rural area of less then 20,000 people. There are three types of jobs in this town. The educated work here. The uneducated work at a Tyson Food processing plant. The rest work in retail such as restaurants and grocery stores that the other two groups keep open.

I live in a 4 bedroom house on 7 acres 15 mins from my job and the payment is 650 a month.

Of course the DSL is about 400kb down on a good day.

The problem with this is that the town growns so dependent on the two industries here that when trends cause employee moves, have the town goes belly up. The whole company used to be here but then they moved our merchandising and logistics departments to a new complex in the nearest big city and about half of this town has shutdown. Not to mention you are an hour away from any real forms of entertainment or good shopping.

This is positive as it's cheap, beautiful, and quiet.

It's negative because it's quiet, less technologically advanced, small town minded.

/My 2 cents.

To get to The Dalles (1)

Kilroy Wasn't Here (849661) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724366)

Do I still have to raft up the Columbia River, or have they opened the newfangled "toll road" yet?

Welcome to The Dalles, Sanjeet! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724374)

I'm sure Rick Cooper of the NSV will welcome you with open arms to our close-knit community.

Great! (1)

HardwareLust (454846) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724391)

Now there's *two* employers in The Dalles, Wal Mart and Google. Could there possibly be two more diametrically opposed businesses in one small town?

Talk about your 'have's' and 'have nots'... Now we'll have a textbook example to follow along with.

What are these "outdoor sports" (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11724392)

I'm not sure I understand this concept of "outdoor" actually. I tried looking for the IETF RFC on "outdoor sports" and came up blank. Can someone help me?


- Typical Slashdot Reader

About that link to Yahoo Maps ... (1)

ClassicPenguino (687127) | more than 9 years ago | (#11724400)

On the TheDallas page the article refers to, they have a link to a Yahoo Maps map of the area. I'm fairly certain they meant to link to Google Maps instead.
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