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Mobile Phone with PC running Linux 2.6

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the good-for-the-ski-lift dept.

Handhelds 191

A8 writes "There is a new toy (aka the S101) around the corner from a German company called Road GmbH. Looks like the Nokia Communicator, but is a little PC with GSM, GPRS, IrDA, Bluetooth, WLAN -- you name it, running Linux 2.6/Qtopia! Sorry seems like the page is in German only." There are also versions based on the same hardware but running Windows CE and Symbian.

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Keyboard like the Psion 5? (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11730989)

Ah, the Psion 5 ... that was a really decent bit of hardware for the time. Quite a usable keyboard too, even on the minimal Revo model.

gay (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11730993)

my god, you reminded me the "cookie" game when i was a kid... ever played it? it went like this: there was a cookie and we would masturbate and cum on the cookie. the last one had to eat it. i never lost because i am gay so looking at five boys masturbating always turned me on. incidentally, i own a mac today. i am that gay. interesting story, isn't it?

LOL (0, Troll)

Luke727 (547923) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731100)

That is fucking disgusting, even to me. And I've seen a lot of nasty shit. You sicken me.

So ... what kind of cookie was it?

Re:LOL (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731268)

I'm gay and I like Macs, too.

blah (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11730994)

bah, how do you upgrade the kernel anyway?

Translation (3, Informative)

Electronik (821589) | more than 9 years ago | (#11730997)

Here is the Goggle translation [google.com]

Re:Translation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731021)

How was this redundant? It was the first translation post, even if the other one (at time of writing) actually was a link to the English version of the webpage.

Re:Translation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731099)

You know... karma whoring at its best.

Re:Translation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731467)

And you couldn't even manage to spell "Google" right. Jeez.

Photo (1)

relluf (722817) | more than 9 years ago | (#11730999)

And the shot of it shows it running outlook.. under WINE I suppose.

Re:Photo (1)

fewnorms (630720) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731154)

Where do you see it running Outlook?
That screenshot is so small it might just be any decent mailclient.
And besides, TFA merely states it can talk with outlook for synchronization...

Re:Photo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731251)

That screenshot is so small it might just be any decent mailclient.

You have gravely sinned with your foul insinuations. May your soul forever be tormented by large breasted igunanas.

Re:Photo (1)

SirDrinksAlot (226001) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731269)

No, thats a shot of it running WinCE. The post says the hardware runs WinCE, Linux or symbian. Read the entire thing next time.

Great keyboard! (3, Insightful)

claes (25551) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731000)

Take a look at the keyboard - finally a keyboard at a PDA-size device that includes keys for international characters. It takes germans to understand that some alphabets are longer than a-z!

Re:Great keyboard! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731537)

zes, take a good look at where thez placed the 'y' character. Btw, it doesn't support my native language's additional 3 characters. Uncool when I have to fake it using 'ae', 'oe' and 'aa'.

This looks amazing (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731003)

she has got a hot cunt for a 70 year old

For those of us... (5, Informative)

freralqqvba (854326) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731004)

who speak english [road-gmbh.de] .

For those of us... (0)

marko123 (131635) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731153)

Re:For those of us... (0)

bettlebrox (264668) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731506)

It makes slash much more readable: Pornolized Slashdot [pornolize.com] :
Linux: Mobile Phone with PC pecking Linux 2.6 Handhelds
Posted by timothy on Sunday "Dirk Diggler" February 20, @05:51PM
from the wanking good-for-the-ski-lift dept.
A8 writes "There is a new toy (aka the felching S101) around the spewing corner from a squirting German company called Road GmbH. Looks like the Nokia "Superdick" Communicator, but is a little PC with GSM, GPRS, IrDA, Bluetooth, WLAN -- you name it, entering Linux 2.6/Qtopia! Sorry dripps like the page is in German only." There are also versions based on the same hardware but running Windows CE and Symbian.

Wait... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731010)

Does it run linux?

ROAD runner? (5, Interesting)

KontinMonet (737319) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731015)

Looks to me like vapourware. Hardly any info, pictures tooled up with Photoshop (or whatever). No address or phone number, just a one address email. Is it a 'skam' (as we might say auf Deutsch)?

Re:ROAD runner? (1)

Stuwee (739059) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731105)

Looks to me like vapourware


Indeed it does; we have here a phone running Linux 2.6.x which lists "MS Outlook" as a part of its software collection. Mis-marketing any which way you look at it.

Re:ROAD runner? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731140)

They've announced that the gadget will be able to run Linux, Symbian or WinCE. MS Outlook on WinCE would not be too much of a surprise.

No, it doesn't say Outlook is part of the software (1)

cbreaker (561297) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731144)

It says:

- PC-Synchronisation MS-Outlook

Even the English version of their page is somewhat poorly translated, but it's pretty obvious they mean you can synchronize with Outlook, not that it INCLUDES outlook.

They also say there's viewers for office documents - don't confuse that with "Includes Microsoft Office."

Re:ROAD runner? (1)

NamShubCMX (595740) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731151)

Connectivity with outlook.

I believe this is quite possible...

That doesn't nullify skepticism about vapourware, though :)

Absolutely (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731119)

This IS a scam.

Next topic!

Re:Absolutely (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731318)

You ARE a troll.

Next user!

Re:ROAD runner? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731124)

German commercial websites are required to publish address and phone number in a way which makes it easily accessible from every page. It's usually called "Impressum" or "Kontakt". The link is at the bottom of the page and leads to http://www.road-gmbh.de/impressum/index.html [road-gmbh.de]

Products have been announced for the fourth quarter of 2005.

Hans Constin is also director of Constin GmbH [constin.de] at the same address.

Re:ROAD runner? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731164)

Here is your address and phone number:
http://www.road-gmbh.de/impressum/index.h tml

Viel Glück with your German knowledge while on the phone!

PS: I think it's a fake as well, but hey, they have an address...

Re:ROAD runner? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731221)

They allegedly showed a prototype at this year's 3GSM in Cannes. The founder of Road GmbH has more than 20 years of business experience with his other company "Constin Design GmbH". You will probably recognize some of the housings they've designed. [constin.de]

The Windows CE and Symbian versions (1)

Catullus (30857) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731022)

...are "still under development". Considering the difficulty of getting hold of licenses for either of these two OSes as a small developer, don't hold your breath.

I'll be interested to see how this competes with Nokia's Communicators. It doesn't seem to offer any new features, so it might have to compete on price.

Re:The Windows CE and Symbian versions (2, Informative)

wertarbyte (811674) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731149)

It might also rely on the geek factor, it seems to work for other devices [openwrt.org] as well.

Re:The Windows CE and Symbian versions (3, Insightful)

cecom (698048) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731208)

I don't know wbout Symbian, but getting licenses for Windows CE is not a problem for any size developer. I used to work for a very small company (less than 10 people) in 1999 and we developed an embedded device with Windows CE (2.1 I think). Getting the licenses was not a problem at all. The environment (to build custom CE images) wasn't expensive either (I don't remember exactly, but less than $1K).

A CE license in our miniscule volumes was about $50 (again, I don't remember exactly), which might be considered prohibitive for devices in the $200-300 range. I don't know.

OTOH, Linux in a phone is mighty cool. I doubt it will be available in the US, though.

Advantages of Linux (1)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731028)

Can someone inform me/us what the advantages of running the Linux version would be? I already assume it would be cheaper to aquire such a phone dollar wise , and being immune to viruses (sp), but what about in day-to-day operations?

Re:Advantages of Linux (3, Insightful)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731114)

I'll probably get modded troll for this :(

If you don't already understand the whole "Linux" appeal, I doubt you'd find anything particularly appealing about a Linux-powered phone.

For the most part, I think the appeal is the ability to tinker with it, add software that wouldn't be intended, and various other 'geeky' things that most consumers wouldn't give a damn about. It would give the sysadmin type a great deal of mobile administration ability. If you don't grok grep and pine for sed, there's not a perl of wisdom I can give you which would likely make you see the significance.

Additionally, since it uses Opie, there's a lot of available software out there for the device already. Much of it is 'geeky' software, but as a for instance: you'd be able to emulate PalmOS without any problems, provided you had the ROMs. I don't know if this is possible with WinCE, though, so it might not be all that 'special'.

This particular device looks fairly useful to me, and that's saying a lot, as I tend to thing such things are just trendy toys. The existence of the SD slot is definately nice, as it'd allow you to use this device for quite a few things, including a portable MP3 player. It's got a built-in keyboard which - while not full-size, is a hell of a lot bigger than those on other chick-key keyboards.

Re:Advantages of Linux (4, Insightful)

Erik Hensema (12898) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731115)

To the user it probably has no advantages at all. You won't even notice it's Linux.

To the manufacturer it's just the usual freedom/free beer thing.

Re:Advantages of Linux (1)

cbreaker (561297) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731125)

I guess if it would be possible to port normal linux apps to it, it would be a great geak device. I'd love to be able to hack away on a linux "box" anywhere. Could run all my favorite linux console apps, and maybe even X stuff if it supported some sort of X interface.

But other then that, the Linux "Qt" PDA GUI has been used in Sharp PDA's and others, and provides most if not all (or more?) of what you'd find on a Windows CE based device.

Re:Advantages of Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731156)

Nethack, duh.

Re:Advantages of Linux (1)

Trejkaz (615352) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731320)

Jokes aside, Qt NetHack [troll.no] is actually pretty cool. :-)

Re:Advantages of Linux (1)

Surur (694693) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731307)

This device will sell in much greater volume if released with win CE. There is a real momentum building around win ce phone devices, such as the xda 2 (which is actually being aggressively advertised on billboards and TV in the UK), the various MS smartphones (such as the SDA) in Germany, the underpowered Mpx and many others (like the wonderful MDA 4, which has a vga screen, wifi, bluetooth, GSM, GPRS, 3G and a qwerty keyboard) to be released soon.

When normal people think windows mobile they think the power of a desktop in their hand. When they think symbian they just think pretty wall paper, games and ring tones. If you want to scare them tell them their phone is running Linux.

The cellphone networks are firmly behind win CE because they generate much greater GPRS data profits that symbian devices (average 3 times more), because they get used used more to access the internet etc.

Now if they release both it may be interesting to see if enough geeks (who will be the main consumers of such a device) will choose Linux over Win CE.

In short however, they wont be doing themselves much favours by releasing a Linux version in preference to a Win CE version.

Surur

Re:Advantages of Linux (1)

Taladar (717494) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731394)

The cellphone networks are firmly behind win CE because they generate much greater GPRS data profits that symbian devices (average 3 times more), because they get used used more to access the internet etc.
That might be simply because geek users (a.k.a. don't fall for marketing scams as easily) tend to buy more Linux Devices than the average user.

Re:Advantages of Linux (1)

Surur (694693) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731533)

That would be Symbian geeks. Linux smartphone devices dont have a significant presence at the moment. Either way, if you want to make money you want to appeal to the dumb overusers, who surf over expensive GPRS with images on, instead of finding the small checkbox to switch if off and save megabytes of data and money.

Hence you target windows users ;)

Surur

Linux for handhelds? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731030)

What use is linux for handhelds, considering there are currently no good open source mini browsers (eventually, there will be minimoz) or handwriting recognition programs.

For less than this, you could get palm or windows devices that are fully functional. Until there is a free handheld environment, we can't just say "stick linux on it".

--
Dogs are annoying. Go ECFA. Buy a K9Zap today.

Re:Linux for handhelds? (1)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731122)

"What use is linux for handhelds, considering there are currently no good open source mini browsers (eventually, there will be minimoz) or handwriting recognition programs."

I'm more interested in being able to synch up with Outlook or an equivalent app. Honestly, I don't care what OS it runs.

Re:Linux for handhelds? (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731377)

Ah, you did notice that this guy has a keyboard? And no stylus. Not much use for handwriting recognition.

Re:Linux for handhelds? (1)

tijmentiming (813664) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731399)

Well, they can run MS outlook/word/excel and a PDF viewer on this PDA/Phone. so way can't they do an opera browser?

btw, i wonder if i could remove the M$ware and install thunderbird, abiword and xpdf ;-)

offcourse we want midpssh too!

Re:Linux for handhelds? (1)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731560)

hmm konqueror is pretty good IMHO

english translation [google] (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731032)

S101/S101K
Technical features
Software
- standard applications
- GSM telephone with SMS/MMS
- PIM also
* Directory
* Appointment calendar
* Tasks
- pocket calculators
- dictating machine
- indication program
- MP3 Player
- PC synchronisation Ms Outlook
- remote ACCESS
- InterNet Browser
- email client (POP and IMAP), repeated accounts
- Office Viewer (Ms Word, Ms Excel, Adobe pdf)

[Customized applications]
- cryptology (only S101K)
- Business applications for direct access to firm servers
- Providerspezifi on-line services

[Operating system]
- LINUX Kernel 2.6.x
- Qtopia Graphic user interface

[Hardware]
- GSM telephone
* Display: LCD mono chrome 102x65 pixel
* Keyboard: 20 keys standard layout
* Acoustic output over earphones or free speech mechanism
- PC
* Display: Color TFT 640x240 pixel with Touchscreen
* Keyboard: 63 keys PC-compatible layout
- Diktiergeraet/Audioplayer
* 4 separate keys for control
* Rendition over loudspeakers/earphones
- camera (optional)
* 2 megapixels

Actual working time
- GSM telephone: actively 4h, standby 240h
- PC: actively 5h, standby 30 days (GSM telephone switched off)

Konnektivitaet
- wireless: GSM quadband (850, 900, 1800, 1900MHz) with EDGE
* WLAN
* Bluetooth
* IRDA infrared modules
- wire-bound
* USB 2,0, mini USB socket
* SD Card base
* Power supply unit 5V DC, RK 1A
* Telephone Headset or stereo earphone

[Interior life]
- CCU Intel Xscale PXA 263 with 400 MHz
- memory 64MB RAM, 64MB Flash
- Akku lithium polymer 1500mAh, load time 3h
- vibration alarm

[General data]
- weight 210g inclusive Akku
- dimensions 128x60x25m

Ah memories... (5, Funny)

goofyheadedpunk (807517) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731034)

Does anyone else remember the simpler days, when phones where just phones? When you didn't have to bother with your friends sending you pictures over their $400 internet phone camera thingies? When you didn't have to interupt a kernel compile just to check your voice mail?

I do. Good times.

Re:Ah memories... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731049)

At least with this phone you could argue that it is an 'old-school' (i.e., Psion style) PDA with wireless internet capability and mobile functionality built in.

Then you can bitch when it gets nicked and not only do you lose the phone, but you lose the stuff you've been working on earlier in the day because you were out of the office, etc.

Re:Ah memories... (1)

datastalker (775227) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731130)

Remember back in the old days, when a washing machine was just a scrub-board and a tub, and you got to spend all day washing one load of laundry with your bare hands? Remember how you'd have to then hang your clothes on a long piece of rope by attaching it with wooden pins? Remember when you could spend a whole day doing nothing but laundry? You wouldn't have time to do anything else, but boy, it was fun spending all that time doing laundry.

I decry these new-fangled machines that let you toss in the clothes and go away for three hours to find that your clothes have been washed *and* dried! Bah, convergence is for hippies!

It's called "progress". Get used to it. ;)

Re:Ah memories... (2)

Taladar (717494) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731421)

"Smart" Phones are NOT progress. They just waste a lot of time for a lot of people and are really annoying the shit out of everyone when someone not up to date with current microphone technology yells into his/her phone so everyone in a 10 meter radius can hear his/her part of the conversation.

I agree that mobile phones are a progress for certain people who travel a lot and have to be reachable (like service technicians e.g.) but cameras, games, ringtones and all that other shit companies put into "modern" phones are just a big scam.

Re:Ah memories... (1)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731136)

"Does anyone else remember the simpler days, when phones where just phones?"

Yep, and now I have a ton of extra pocket space!

Those "old good times" you paird $500 for nothing (1)

giaguara (632198) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731141)

Those "old good times" you paid $500 to have something like a Motorola Flare (my first mobile, and left me a horror towards Motorola phones really).

Re:Ah memories... (2, Insightful)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731147)

Yeah, I remember those times.

I remember the absolutely atrocious low-frequency ringtones which would set me on edge every time someone's phone would ring (at least the new 'personalized' ringtones have a fuller frequency). I remember the shitty quality signals and the battery life which required the phone to be recharged after about 8 hours of in-pocket use and maybe 20 minutes of talk time. I remember having to cart around a huge brick which took horribly grainy photos if I wanted to use a digital camera. I remember having to wear a watch around in addition to carrying my phone if I wanted to tell the time. I remember not having voice mail, so that when my phone was off I'd not recieve calls. I remember having only 20 slots to store my friends' and family members' addresses.

Now, granted, there's something to be said for simplicity. I don't think I'd want this "phone" but I sure as hell don't want to go back to the irritation of old technology. I would like a simple, durable phone with just basic phone/clock/alarm features, though.

If you don't like the extra features, just don't use them or turn them off. That's still a possibility.

Re:Ah memories... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731187)

I'm longing for the days when we will finally get phones where you can turn off the phone feature. I don't want it. I want a mobile clock, alarm, mp3-player, camera, organizer etc. the size of a box of matches, but I don't want people to call me all the time. That's annoying.

Re:Ah memories... (1)

Surur (694693) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731358)

I'm longing for the days when we will finally get phones where you can turn off the phone feature. I don't want it. I want a mobile clock, alarm, mp3-player, camera, organizer etc. the size of a box of matches, but I don't want people to call me all the time. That's annoying.

It's called flight mode. All smartphones in the last 2-3 years have it.

Surur

Re:Ah memories... (1)

gmplague (412185) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731212)

Does anyone else remember when phones were JUST phones? When they were tethered to a jack on your wall? When you didn't have to worry about "checking your voicemail"? When someone would call you to arrange a meeting and then you'd meet them IN PERSON?

I do. Good times.

Re:Ah memories... (1)

Lord Bitman (95493) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731253)

Does anyone else remember when Telegraphs were just telegraphs...?

Re:Ah memories... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731367)

Does anyone remember when we used to grunt and throw our women over our shoulders?

fr1st poist (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731041)

Shitbutt.
Poos for turds. Shit that splatters.

Keyboard has a "Windows" key (4, Interesting)

Linuxathome (242573) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731087)

In the English version of the page [road-gmbh.de] , if you look at the larger picture of the device, the keyboard has a Windows key next to the Alt button. I understand we can remap that key to do whatever we want, but can't we use another image? I'd like to be reminded less of the pervasive MS Windows monopoly.

Re:Keyboard has a "Windows" key (1)

IO ERROR (128968) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731362)

You want the Happy Hacking Keyboard [fujitsu.com] .

*Everybody* has a Windows Key (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731366)

If you click on the links on this page, you'll find that the company plans future phones using the same hardware, but with Windows CE or Symbian in place of Linux. They're hedging their bets!

Re:Keyboard has a "Windows" key (1)

Feztaa (633745) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731458)

Who cares about the icon printed on the key, when the same screenshot you reference clearly depicts Windows running on the screen? Surely that is a much more heinous crime?

Outlook Express (2, Interesting)

ward.deb (757075) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731110)

I think I see Outlook Express running here: http://www.road-gmbh.de/grafik/foto_pro_s101_02.jp g On Windows 9x...strange ;-)

Re:Outlook Express (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731280)

http://www.road-gmbh.de/grafik/foto_handypc.jpg

so if the Start button is part of its linux GUI, why does it have the windows logo next to it?

some developer's wet dream (1)

danimrich (584138) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731120)

This is -at most- a work in progress. The phone looks as if it were just a computer graphic(look at the large image). The firm is just being founded. Everything is copyright 2005 only. The features look as if they were some developer's dream.

Power use (2, Interesting)

pdxdada (684092) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731126)

What strikes me as odd is that they claim a 5 hour battery life using it as a computer but only a 4 hour battery life for calls. Are cell phones really that power hungry or are portable computers really that power lean?

Re:Power use (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731162)

Phones are radio transmitters, using power to communicate with the base stations.

Re:Power use (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731360)

Cellphones have to transmit a signal that can be picked up by a tower that is some miles away. An electromagnetic signal attenuates at rate of some constant I can't remember times pi times r to the power of two ( the surface area of a sphere. ) I think modern cellphones tend to use about a tenth of a watt to transmit, from memory.
But basically anything that broadcasts a radio signal uses a lot of power.

Fishy (1)

pherthyl (445706) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731166)

While it looks cool, it seems more vapourware than anything else, as other posters have mentioned.

Which company in their right mind plans 3 models of a phone, with the only difference being the OS?

Re:Fishy (1)

cmclean (230069) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731188)

Which company in their right mind plans 3 models of a phone, with the only difference being the OS?

It's called being OS-agnostic. Not something most slashdotters would recognise :-)

qwertz keyboard? (1)

lawguy2006 (859274) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731194)

Anyone know why the "Y" and "Z" keys are switched?

Re:qwertz keyboard? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731243)

The Germans do that.

Re:qwertz keyboard? (1)

chillmost (648301) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731246)

That's how the keyboard is laid out in Germany (Perhaps other countries as well?) but I don't know why it is different or if it makes a difference in typing speed. On the French keyboard layout the first row starts with AZERTY. See here. [terena.nl]

Re:qwertz keyboard? (1)

Taladar (717494) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731451)

It is different because y is not very common in german while z is. These are not the only differences btw. Most special characters are different and we have umlaut-keys. I use an english keyboard though because the german one has the / key on the shift-7 which is just awkward to type all the time in Linux (there are other advantages, this is just the most important one for me).

Re:qwertz keyboard? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731249)

Cause it's a german keyboard.... DUH!!!

Re:qwertz keyboard? (1)

b0lt (729408) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731262)

German keyboard arrangement, most likely

-b0lt

Re:qwertz keyboard? (0, Flamebait)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731363)

<Stan>What the fuck is wrong with German people?</Stan>

Oh great... (4, Funny)

n2dasun (467303) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731196)

...as soon as I've ordered my Treo 650, they introduce the phone that will mother my children.

Calm down with the "Vapourware" talk. (3, Informative)

cmclean (230069) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731220)

Hey, let's get this out in the open, shall we. The product was "announced" at the 3GSM World Congress, it don't exist, you can't buy it. Yet...
But the specs have been announced, you can email the company about pre-ordering, and it's getting some decent coverage. Plus the fact it looks pretty cool (the screen may have been photoshopped, but the model looks like a prototype).

Usually I like to give a product more than 72 hours before denouncing it as "Vapourware".

Now, about the 1400 Euro pricetag :-(

Issues: Size and GSM (1)

Arch_dude (666557) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731233)

I just measured my current cell phone: it is 86x47x22 mm. This is an 3-year-old Samsung, not a big old qualcomm.

The ROAD is 128x60x25mm

I abandoned my belt holster three years ago when I shifted to the Samsung. Qualitatively, the ROAD is on the bleeding edge of being too large to keep in your pocket if you wear guy-type casual clothes. I guess it's back to wearing the phone in a belt holster if I move to the ROAD.
On the other hand, 128mm looks like an absolute minimum width for a QWERTY keyboard, and 47mm is really short for a usable screen, so unless we go virtual, it looks like a belt holster is mandatory.

My service provider is Verizon. No GSM. Will ROAD eventually have CDMA, or will the US eventually have GSM?

Re:Issues: Size and GSM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731252)

The US will have GSM. My current Cingular phone does TDMA and GSM (as well as analog...) in anticipation of the switch.

Re:Issues: Size and GSM (2, Informative)

jrumney (197329) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731292)

My service provider is Verizon. No GSM. Will ROAD eventually have CDMA, or will the US eventually have GSM?

The US has GSM already, you just need to switch networks and/or move to another state.

But for a phone with these specs looking to release in almost a year's time, I'm surprised they're going with GSM rather than WCDMA, or is Germany that far behind in 3G rollout?

Re:Issues: Size and GSM (1)

Taladar (717494) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731466)

In Europe we never had CDMA and thus I guess we won't go to WCDMA. UMTS seems to be the next big thing here now.

Linux? (1)

kronchev (471097) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731299)

Using a Qtopia handheld myself, I can say it doesnt really count as "linux" persay

MÄrvelØus (2, Funny)

adnvvfr (861260) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731300)

The wait was unbearable.
Finally a Cell Phone you can use to type viking names without knowing the ASCII codes.

You can run Outlook on a Linux phone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731312)

That's cool and all, but what is up with the composite screenshot?

Death of the stand alone PDA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731330)

As I read this, I am surprised at how common cellphones and PDA's are becoming. The functionality between standalone PDAs and cellphones are becoming more and more similar. It seems that the stand-alone PDA will be extinct in a couple of years, along with the stand-alone cellphone.

The phone doesn't run Linux (0)

Bottlemaster (449635) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731337)

Look at how thick it is! It makes me wonder if it's actually several seperated devices in one box. In fact, the specifications agree with this by listing them seperately in the "Hardware" and "Running time" section. In fact, it says you can use the PC while the phone is switched off.

Interesting.

it will contain TWO arm processors (3, Interesting)

lkcl (517947) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731342)

like the XDA-2 and the XDA-3, it will contain not one but TWO ARM processors:

- GSM-Telefon: aktiv 4h, standby 240h

- PC: aktiv 5h, standby 30 Tage (GSM-Telefon ausgeschaltet)

that translates into "one ARM to run the GSM, one ARM to run the PDA". thank god there isn't one ARM to rule them all and one to get them and little toto too, is all i can say.

anyway.

the first is as shown, the Intel PXA 263 running at 400 Mhz.

these devices are approx $30 in volume quantities, and after your 400% to 1000% markup, minus the expected subsidies, would result in a price tag of oh around £70 in stores (_if_ it was running the GSM phone bit on its own, but nobody would buy it because...)

this processor it will be possible to place into "suspend/sleep" mode, to conserve battery life, which would otherwise be drained in a ridiculously short period of time.

the second processor will be an ARM 7, 8 or 9 processor, running at an _absolute_ maximum of 100mhz, consuming sufficiently little power to provide the talk-times and standby-times we expect.

these processors are oh around $20 in volume, and after your 400% to 1000% markup minus subsidies, you're looking at a price tag on the phone of "free" or £10-£20 (_if_ you didn't have the second processor)

put TWO of these processors into one device, and your subsidies mysteriously disappear or become insignificant.

result: a price tag of £200 if you get one of these types of phones [XDA-2, MDA-3, one of these german phones, doesn't matter] with a hefty per-month guaranteed usage contract, or £400 if you buy it without any subsidies.

those 400 to 1000% markups are a _real_ kicker when you get these two-processor PDA+phone jobs.

i'd _love_ to see a linux phone running on just one of these 100Mhz ARM processors, not this oh-we-must-put-two-processors-in-it crap.

comparison to Communicator? (2, Insightful)

rjasmin (104868) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731374)

What is the real difference between this and Nokia 9500? One that I can think of is availability - 9500 is on the market, at half the price of S101, which in turn look like a marketing prototype. 9500 has WLAN, EDGE, GPRS, BT, IrDA, ability to do IMAP/POP mail, Opera browser, m$ doc support (although rudimentary)
I dont see the point of S101 as it isnt any lighter or smaller than 9500. OK, it runs Linux, but so what, using keyboard that small is excercise in futillity anyway..
What it has as a big plus is touchscreen, 9500 has navigation pad that is painfull to use in browser.

so WHEN it comes to market, it will have its little advantages, but compared to 9500 and with bigger price, I doubt it can make nothing more than a cameo appearance on the market..

New Project (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731398)

Linux for Nokia Communicator...

Is the stylus dead? (2, Insightful)

fm6 (162816) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731400)

When I do input on a handheld device, I prefer a stylus to a keyboard, since it takes two hands to type, and I'm not a motie. Yet all PDAs now seem to be deisgned with a keyboard instead of a stylus. Oh well...

3G is coming soon enough, really this time.... (1)

otis wildflower (4889) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731420)

... Cingular has already started rolling UMTS out for evaluation, and they already have EDGE support. Dunno about TMobile, but maybe in a year's time it'll be time to switch...

So, in other words, buying any non-subsidized non-3G smartphone at this point would be foolish unless your company is footing the bill.

In theory, if I had a job, I would be sorely tempted to go with the SE 910a, but I would refrain from splurging knowing that they'll probably have a 3G smartphone with a better CPU, bluetooth 2.0, video, etc.. in a year or 18 months... Luckily I have other things to worry about first, like rent, broadband, xbox live, cans of soup, the essentials....

Photos show it running Windows? (1)

victorhooi (830021) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731492)

Hi,

Is it just me, or does the photo

http://www.road-gmbh.de/grafik/foto_pro_s101_02.jp g [road-gmbh.de]

show it running Microsoft Outlook...

Oh the irony...

Now, to wait for my Zaurus 5500...which I paid AU$300 (US$228) for...lol.

bye,

Victor

Is it a... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731504)

"heavy phone and a slow computer"?

Why? (0)

jdog1016 (703094) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731514)

I've never really understood why anyone would want to run Linux on a PDA, let alone a cell phone. The amount of overhead required for running a multitasking operating system really isn't compatible with the hardware being used (that is, its speed), and isn't compatible with the way its being used anyway. Some people use their phones as datebooks I suppose, but most people use their phones as phones--to communicate with other people. As for PDA's, the same situation seems to apply. People pick up PDA's and generally put them back in their pocket/purse/whatever after about 10 or 15 seconds of use. Why run a linux kernel on that?
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