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American View On Korean Broadband Leadership

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the also-world-leader-in-delicious-food dept.

The Internet 527

prostoalex writes "South Korea remains the world's undisputed broadband leader (in terms of penetration) with 25 broadband lines for every 100 people as of year-end 2004. But how did it come to that? Joel Strauch moved there to teach English and in his letter to PC World he portrays the everyday life in broadband heaven as well as names the reasons for Korean broadband dominance: 'An ambitious, nearly $11 billion program, it appears to be working. Studies have shown that over a quarter of Koreans have broadband and that anyone who wants it can sign up--with some ISPs charging as little as $19 a month for DSL. I pay $30 myself, for a 1.5-megabits-per-second (mbps) connection--twice the speed of my $50-a-month service back home in the United States.'"

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527 comments

fizzy (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739544)

In Corea, only old people use brodband.

tar tar tar!

Netcraft Confirms it ... Hunter S. Thompson, dead (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739654)

I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Gonzo journalist writer Hunter S. Thompson was found dead in his Colorado home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

Yay for broadband! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739546)

We all know the importance of quickly downloaded porn and illegal games :)

Re:Yay for broadband! (4, Funny)

northcat (827059) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739728)

and Linux distros.

Re:Yay for broadband! (1)

The Old Burke (679901) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739754)

I second that one, racing for the fastest conection is futile. Fiber is useless for ordinary people.

Back in the good old days before all that smut pornography started to mess with our lifes it was the same race with those printing press machines. Totaly useless technology that messed with the established flow of knowledge and power.

A couple years later that Bell-kid started with his so called telecommunication machinery that manhandled US Postals right to orchestrate communication. Luckily we managed to get under controll through legislation. Hopefully we can rely on free market cable entreprises to provide us with the right sex-free Intarweb connections in the future.

Doesn't sound so wonderful (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739547)

I pay $30 myself, for a 1.5-megabits-per-second (mbps) connection--twice the speed of my $50-a-month service back home in the United States
I live in a pretty high-cost area of the country and my 3 Mbit/sec service is less than $50/month from Comcast, maybe he left the US too long ago.

Re:Doesn't sound so wonderful (1)

pl1ght (836951) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739563)

Rgr, I have the higher tier Comcast for 52 bucks a month and its at 6mbit/768kup now, so i dont know what the prob is. Of course id love to have fibre runnignt o my doorstep.

Re:Doesn't sound so wonderful (1)

electronerdz (838825) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739601)

I pay about $170 a month for 5Mbps down, 786K up, but then again, I have business class service from RoadRunner and 4 static IP's... I wish I could get the fiber too, but they said they will not run it to a residential location. However, a city away, the city electric company runs fiber to your house, and I have heard rumors that my city does it too. I don't want Verizon fiber, they get enough of my money as it is for local phone service.

Re:Doesn't sound so wonderful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739622)

This here is some serious willy-wiggling. :)

Re:Doesn't sound so wonderful (4, Insightful)

bbk (33798) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739606)

I'm willing to bet he has a 1.5Mbit/sec bidirectional DSL line, rather than the "3Mbit/sec down, 512Kbit/sec up" line that Comcast is most likely selling you.

For that kind of bidirectional speed, you're looking at $100/month or so here...

- BBK

Re:Doesn't sound so wonderful (1)

PKPerson (784484) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739641)

From my humble experiences, I have seen cabel rated at '3' Mbps perform worse than DSL rated at about 2 mbps. I do unserstand the way cable works with some a maximum community bandwidth, which makes sense because I live in a large, wealthy community where 95% of the population has some sort of broadband, the majority of which is Comcast Cable. Also a question, are there any facts supporting better actuial speed/claimed speed for DSL than Cable?

Re:Doesn't sound so wonderful (2, Informative)

vicparedes (701354) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739649)

I pay about $30 US for 5 Mbit/sec service up here in Toronto. Although I did have to purchase the $100 (about $80 US) modem for the service. Of course in reality, I get about 4.5Mbits max.

Re:Doesn't sound so wonderful (3, Interesting)

MyDixieWrecked (548719) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739710)

When I was living in Manhattan, I had Roadrunner which was 3Mbit/512Kbit (from what I could tell) and had no ports blocked, so I was running a web server off my main linux box. I believe we were paying around 50$ a month.

Right before xmas they upgraded or something because I was getting over 600K/sec on my downloads, which makes me think they upgraded to around 6Mbit (I did some math on my max speed, and it was almost exactly 6Mbit), but the upload speed didn't change.

I had to move back to NJ on new years day, so that was the end of my high-speed enjoyment. DSL service in this area is horrendous. Verizon offers home users only 768Kbit DSL for some 40$/month and where I happen to live, I'm too far from the central office, so I get constant disconnects and outages that last hours and sometimes days.

I opted to get speakeasy since I had become addicted to running a web server and they had a slashdot promotion where I get 8 IPs, so I'm in hosting heaven right now, but I pay 80$/month for 1.5Mbit/768Kbit. The 6Mbit package isn't available here.

i could have also gotten comcast but I had their service from 1998-2000 and became completely dissatisfied with their service toward the end (started out GREAT and Fast as hell, I'd get 800Kbyte/sec downloads and 800Kbyte/sec uploads, but they decided to cap everyone to 1% of the upload bandwidth and 10% of the download bandwidth). I was paying 60$/month for that, I believe.

Luckily, I moved to another area where I got Optimum Online, which, aside from the internet in college, was the fastest broadband I ever had. I was paying 40$/month, and used to regularly get 1MByte/sec downloads, and in the beginning, 400Kbyte/sec uploads, which, later, were capped to about 80Kbyte/sec when they blocked inbound traffic on port 80 because I codeRed, or one of those stupid worms.

Envy (2, Funny)

rootX (115147) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739549)

I am so jealous. Cheap and ubiquitous.

population density (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739623)

I suppose you could broadband wire all of new york city + the nearby cities for $11 billion also.

cmon (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739551)

someone post something for me to read, i have 2 hours to kill here...

Warning! (1)

Offtopica (413375) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739552)


This place is not a place of honor.
No highly esteemed deed is commemorated here.
Nothing valued is here.
This post is a troll and part of a system of trolls.
Pay attention to it!
Sending this message was important to us.
We consider ourselves to be a powerful culture.

Re:Warning! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739708)

Is that the warning for the nuclear dump sites?

Mr Yuck! a mountain! (1)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739739)

I thing you're thinking about North Korea [slashdot.org] in a few months.

Theyre using it to (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739553)

P2P their Nuclear simulations

Re:Theyre using it to (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739699)

Wrong Korea. thats North Korea, and they already have at least one nuke due to america picking on the wrong country. Could have been prevented easily by ignoring iraq for the time being and dealing with the bigger threat first

In related news... (1)

Luke727 (547923) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739555)

South Korea has now surpassed Japan as the world's undisputed tentacle rape porn leader (in terms of anal and vaginal penetration).

Is that ADSL or SDSL? (1)

nathan s (719490) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739557)

Just curious. One is a lot more impressive than the other.:-P

Port scanning (5, Insightful)

suso (153703) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739561)

All I can see from here is the port scanning that continuously comes from their networks. And the lack of response when I try to report it to their ISPs.

Re:Port scanning (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739591)

Port scanning and an endless stream of spam.

Re:Port scanning (2)

mmasse (716229) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739687)

I bet you forgot to translate your report to Korean.

What about (0, Offtopic)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739562)

Korean Broadband leadership ON MARS?!

Size (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739564)

So. Korea being the size of about New Jersey
might be the reason broadband has deeper penetraton than in the US.

Re:Size (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739632)

With a shitton more people. The place is jam packed with people. I'll stick with paying more to live in my own country. I get sick of crap on Slashdot ripping the US because it isn't EXACTLY like some other totally different country.

There's a lot of good thing about where I live and the country I live in that paying a slight amount more for broadband is NOTHING. If quality of life is just broadband, god help your pathetic life.

Re:Size (2, Insightful)

Yotsuya (4378) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739665)

How typically american. The articles says that in Korea, broadband has better penetration than.. not america.. but rather, *the rest of the world*!
Which does happen to include America, but is not limited to it. Nor is America even a good meter to compare to, broadband-wise.

Re:Size (2, Insightful)

A beautiful mind (821714) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739669)

There is a saying, when there is a will, there is a way.

Look at Sweden. Huge, cold, northren-european country, with 10/10mbit - 100/100mbit for home users for the price i'm paying for 1.5mbit/160kbit.

Also, if the country is smaller, their incomes are smaller too.

Re:Size (2, Interesting)

Otter (3800) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739713)

Also, if the country is smaller, their incomes are smaller too.

Huh? Why do you think that?

Re:Size (2, Interesting)

A beautiful mind (821714) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739745)

To clarify: i ment the government's income not the average income of a person. Population numbers don't always follow landmass numbers, but roughly it's true.

Re:Size (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739751)

Also, if the country is smaller, their incomes are smaller too.

Yeah, because people in small countries are uneducated and dumb and they don't make anything or export anything, either. *rolls eyes*

Re:Size (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739696)

They've also beaten Hong Kong, which came in second despite having a much higher population density.

Length (3, Insightful)

yintercept (517362) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739702)

If you include length of lines, then sparser areas would fair better. A larger country might have to bury more fiber to provide the broadband connections.

It seems to me that you would want to do something like comparing metro areas to metro areas, rural areas to rural areas. Even that doesn't work, as some countries have densely populated rural areas. The population distribution will be the single largest factor in determine broadband connections per person than any other factor.

Re:Size (4, Insightful)

Arroc (208497) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739719)

Same old excuse: infrastructure X sucks in the USA because the country is too big.
Why isn't New Jersey doing so well since it is the size of Korea?

Re:Size (4, Informative)

evn (686927) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739730)

Canada has the population of California, a bigger land mass, and better broadband penetration than the US (source [websiteoptimization.com] ). Even considering that most Canadians live within a few hundred kilometers of the US/Canada border you're still lagging behind.

It's been a while since I carefully looked at my cable bill but IIRC the total bill is $100 CDN
  1. $60 for tv cable service
  2. $30 for "high speed" internet
  3. $10 to bump the internet up to 5mbit down/1.5mbit up

$33 USD for reasonably fast internet doesn't looks pretty good to me.

30 dollars for 1.5 mb/sec... (1)

MobileMrX (855797) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739570)

...isn't that great. I get 3mb down, 1.5 up for 40 in Cincy, OH.

Re:30 dollars for 1.5 mb/sec... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739597)

Roadrunner is now 5 mbps down and not much more money. Of course it's slow going up.

Re:30 dollars for 1.5 mb/sec... (1)

saleenS281 (859657) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739608)

you're in a small small small minority. US may get some decent downloads but you won't get 1.5 mbit upload in 99% of the markets here unless you're willing to fork over a minimum of 300$/mo

Re:30 dollars for 1.5 mb/sec... (1)

MobileMrX (855797) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739642)

I just hope no one moves to Korea when they can move to Cincinnati instead! I mean it's not that great of a city, but at least most people (arguably) speak english and you maintain the right to bear arms. Oh yeah, and the broadband connections, of course.

Why so much broadband? (5, Funny)

Nine Tenths of The W (829559) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739573)

You can play Starcraft perfectly well on a 56k line.

LAG!! (1)

etaluclac (818307) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739638)

I've tried it several times, but I found the biggest issue was that I would always slow down the game and sometimes get disconnected. That's also because I had a terrible ISP, but this is much rarer to find on broadband.

Also remember that if your plug gets disconnected from the NIC, it can be back in seconds. Think about how long it takes to dial back online--you're dropped from any game by then.

Socialize anything, (0, Offtopic)

cosmodrome (606198) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739575)

and evil always follows. No exceptions. Why create a monopoly to provide broadband service? What if the monopoly provider decides to disallow all "insensitive content"? If you want an internet that is filtered by the federales, go to China and see how they get along with it.

Re:Socialize anything, (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739650)

| Socialize anything, and evil always follows. No exceptions.

Leave a market immune to regulation, and evil always follows. No exceptions.

What's your point, Vanessa?

appealing for americans... (1)

Tepshen (851674) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739577)

.. Until you find out how much it costs to move to Korea. That and learning Korean are minor setbacks to the promised land. If only someone could convince G W B that korea has WMD....

Re:appealing for americans... (4, Funny)

ADRA (37398) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739663)

I have odds that when he declares war on Korea, he forgets which pole he's attacking, or just omit the geographic element all together.

Sounds expensive, sorta (1)

Dr. Transparent (77005) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739582)

I think I'll stick with my $40 per month for 4MB down / 512KB up (Cox).

Leadership? (5, Informative)

hedley (8715) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739583)

You can get 100Mbps for $50(US) in Japan and ditto in Sweden for $40.

That includes VoIP service.

Anything less is stoneage.

Hedley

Re:Leadership? (4, Insightful)

MP3Chuck (652277) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739639)

What's the point of 100Mbps though? A lot of servers are lucky to be sitting on their own 100MBps pipe. With the exception of P2P stuff, I'd imagine there's a point where additional MBps on a home line just aren't that significant anymore.

Re:Leadership? (4, Insightful)

hedley (8715) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739720)

I think the buildout is important. Ultimately in the limit I believe that you will get your entertainment content via the net (minus the pr0n we already receive). The idea is that you would visit webpages for the TV shows you like and support, you get billed directly and DL the show you like for a small fee. You watch it when you want commercial free. Movies also could be delivered this way.
Anyway, thats where I believe the BW will ultimately go. If I am wrong, then you are right 1..4mbs would be all you would need (barring p2p). (that last comment sounds a lot like 640k is all you need :) ).

Hedley

Re:Leadership? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739729)

Let's see.. a couple of VoIP lines. That's 512k. Figure heavy p2p (especially bittorrent) use. There's another 3mbps. A few sporadic kb spared for browsing, ssh, email, instant messaging. Another 512k for a couple simultaneous streaming audio connections. Maybe someone else is streaming a rented movie from one of the online video services. There's another 1mbps. And figure another mbps if a couple people are playing an MMORPG or online FPS or something.

Sure, I can't see a way to account for 100mbps without trying very hard *right now* - but I can see how incoming bandwidth can easily exceed 6mbps. Not to mention how tapped you'll be for outgoing bandwidth. And with a decent bit torrent stream going, there isn't really any limit in sight. There's no reason a popular torrent couldn't consume 50mbps if there were enough seeders and peers serving the file. Sure would be nice to get that 4.32gb download in 15 or 30 minutes rather than all day.

Re:Leadership? (1)

JamesTRexx (675890) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739658)

I'm not sure if that'll beat the 10Mbps up and down optical connection I'll be getting for free for a year. Can't wait until they come around to hook me up.

It's good to live in De Kenniswijk. *devious grin*

Re:Leadership? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739677)

For about $50 or $60, you can get 4mbps and even 6mbps in any Comcast area, in America. So if you're getting 1.5mbps for $30 in Korea, I don't see that you have anything to brag about. You're actually paying a LOT more than the rest of us for what you get.

Re:Leadership? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739707)

Nah, it isn't mate. I mean, we just got that, whattcha call it, "Electricity" thing a few years back. I mean, youven't had that for long, right?

Now seriously, I'm paying $100 a month for 1.5mbit and 16GB/month all up. Now, excuse me, I've got rocks to bang together.

Re:Leadership? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739742)

And if you need ultrafast Internet access, it's available. Shin Cho, an electronics lecturer at WonKwang University, has a 100-mbps network at his home on the outskirts of Seoul that costs about $20 a month for the broadband.

Seems like they're getting a better deal in Korea

so? that's not impressive at all. (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739584)

Studies have shown that over a quarter of Koreans have broadband and that anyone who wants it can sign up--with some ISPs charging as little as $19 a month for DSL. I pay $30 myself, for a 1.5-megabits-per-second (mbps) connection--twice the speed of my $50-a-month service back home in the United States.

So? Qwest DSL is $29.95/mo for 256k DSL. I pay $49.95/month for 2048/256k. If I went with cable (Charter) it would be 39.95/month for 3000/384 (with no servers permitted).

I really am not impressed with $30 for 1.5. With Roadrunner and Comcast jumping to 5000+/384 why the hell would I be impressed with 1500 down?

When asked if they had ever used a dial-up connection, In Me So, a computer science major at WonKwang University said, "I remember using a 56K modem once, about eight years ago."

The last time I used dialup was 1997 when I left for college. When I got home in 1998 we upgraded to DSL (640/128). I haven't used dialup since. So what? I wasn't exactly in a well populated area in NEPA at the time either.

Honestly, I'm not impressed w/these lowspeed connections. I am more impressed what I hear about over in Europe... People with 100mbit connections being common and cheap.

Personally, I'm not even impressed with wired broadband (we have a 400mbit connection at work, I rarely see over 500kB/s unless I am connecting to some major mirror where I get over 1.5mb/s). I want to see wireless broadband that's cheap. Then I'll be impressed.

It makes me want to move to South Korea... (1)

antdude (79039) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739585)

... to be able to get broadband easily at a decent price. And lots of gamers which I am one.

Are there any U.S. cities that have a lot of high technology with broadband services everywhere and cheap?

Re:It makes me want to move to South Korea... (1)

TheFlyingGoat (161967) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739672)

Why do you need broadband service everywhere in your city? Don't you just need it wherever you live?

Also, any cable connection is easily as fast as this guy's service in S. Korea. You can get cable in most of the US for under $30/month (RoadRunner has a "lite" service they provide if you just call and ask for it... $25/m).

As for cities that have a lot of "high technology", you might want to look to the urban areas of Washington, California, and Texas. Any big city has more than enough technology to interest the average nerd. You just have to get out and find it. Personally, I've found that college towns and cities have the right mix of culture, technology, and entertainment.

Re:It makes me want to move to South Korea... (1)

antdude (79039) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739747)

Yeah. In my small city, there is a lack of broadband services (e.g., DSL is unavailable because I am 20K ft. from the CO). There are satellite ones, but those are too slow and expensive. Forget T1 lines. Overpriced. Even dial-up sucks. I only get 3 KB/sec and never connect higher than 28800 on modems (even 56k modems).

I would love to move, the but the prices in the cities are crazy. A pay check barely pays for it. :(

Cheap DSL in the U.S. (1)

pegasustonans (589396) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739586)

Earthlink's got a deal now in the U.S. where you can get DSL for 19.95 for the first half-year. I don't know exactly how fast it is for that price, but I think it's 1.5 mbps. Anyone have more info?

Also, I believe SBC is matching that price as well.

Re:Cheap DSL in the U.S. (1)

Keamos (857162) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739645)

SBC Yahoo! is doing $19/month for two years of speeds that I'm not sure of (I know it's rated as a 1mbit or so, from CNet's bandwidth tester, and ~ 50kb/s up)

Up or Down? (1)

lakerdonald (825553) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739590)

Well if he was talking 1.5 mbit up, then that would be something else, but I'm guessing he means 1.5 mbps downstream?

Population density, size of country makes it work (0)

winkydink (650484) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739594)

The higher the density and the smaller the geographic area, the easier it is to provide low-cost broadband.

Re:Population density, size of country makes it wo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739683)

Oh stop the old lame (karma whoring) excuses. How would that explain the bad situation in NY, NY?

Re:Population density, size of country makes it wo (3, Insightful)

A beautiful mind (821714) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739688)

Obvious counter-example: Sweden.

Some good deals here as well (1)

bogie (31020) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739603)

"with some ISPs charging as little as $19 a month for DSL. I pay $30 myself, for a 1.5-megabits-per-second (mbps) connection--twice the speed of my $50-a-month service back home in the United States.'"

I only pay like $29 a month for 3.0/768 from Verizon DSL so at least things can be pretty good here if you live in the right place. Of course the kicker as always is location, location, location. After having broadband for 5 years now I don't think I would even consider moving somewhere where its not available in either cable or dsl form.

Geography Is Key (2, Insightful)

WombatControl (74685) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739604)

Korea is insanely net-centric, almost to the point of absurdity (as anyone who's ever been to Seoul can attest), but it also has the benefits of being considerably smaller than the US, which makes it easier to run broadband. In the US we're seeing the commoditization of dialup where the prices for dialup service have dropped over time, and eventually once the market penetration gets to a certain point broadband prices will likely drop as well (especially if Wi-Max takes off.

However, when you're dealing with a country that's several thousand miles across rather than several hundred, it's harder to lay enough fiber/cable to make things work.

New York City: where's the fiber? (3, Insightful)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739674)

If population density makes it so easy to provide fast & cheap broadband, why doesn't it exist in New York or San Francisco?

Re:New York City: where's the fiber? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739715)

Because you're replying to an idiot who is in denial. It's always fun to see the outlandish excuses us-americans come up with, should their country not be the greatest of em all.

Re:New York City: where's the fiber? (1)

TheFlyingGoat (161967) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739734)

As many other posters have pointed out, a cable connection that's not oversold (most isn't) is the same speed and around the same cost as what this guy has in S. Korea. So, in cities like New York and Chicago (and smaller cities like Milwaukee and Houston) you DO have the same thing.

It's the rural areas of the US that limit broadband accessibility and put it behind smaller countries on accessibility reports. As time goes on, hopefully wireless access or broadband over power lines will become a possibility for folk that live in the middle of nowhere. Until then, the US is keeping up fine.

We COULD make huge strides, though, if the big telcos would stop restricting access to their copper so much.

Hehe- hehe.... (-1, Offtopic)

wpiman (739077) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739609)

He said penetration.....

We did this in Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739610)

In the province of Quebec in Canada a couple years ago the governement gave $500 grants to family so they can buy a computer. They also offered substantial rebates on Internet access. I don't remember the exact stats but the number of family that are connected to the Internet went up by an amazing factor (especially in rural areas). So governement grants do help if you want to acheive such amazing numbers!

I can shed some illumination (2, Informative)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739612)

South Korea land area: 98,190 km^2

USA land area: 9,161,923 km^2

Re:I can shed some illumination (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739741)

So can I ;) Average American IQ : 98 Average South korean IQ : 109 (Its a joke)

Re:I can shed some illumination (1)

pauldl63 (636292) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739743)

what's this comparison for?what about other relavant comparisons like population size,phone companies and the need for the U.S to be number 1 in everything.

I have.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739613)

...an 2Mbps broadband connection for only 20$ (I live in Estonia)

Old People (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739619)

I would move there if it weren't for their crazy old people!

Obscured. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739628)

I can't see it from here. Can you?

Does any red blooded American really give a crap?

Translation: (4, Insightful)

saintp (595331) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739629)

When you pay taxes for something, your out-of-pocket expenditure for it is less. We pay taxes to support massive petroleum subsidies, because cheap gas is important to us. Koreans pay taxes to support massive Internet subsidies. It simply represents a difference in whose pockets we want to line: already-wealthy oil barons, or already-wealthy Internet barons?

TANSTAAFL.

Re:Translation: (3, Insightful)

DunbarTheInept (764) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739685)

And that makes perfect sence given the geography differences. We need cheap physical transport more than South Korea does. If it suddenly became twice as expensive to transport a load of cargo 1000 miles as it is today, our economy would choke.

Running Servers (1)

Airconditioning (639167) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739630)

With fast Internet access so commonplace, I'm wondering if Acceptable Use Policies in Korea allow the running of servers - something that I look for. In Australia you usually gotta change to an overpriced plan for that to be allowed.

Re:Running Servers (1)

fredrickleo (711335) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739703)

I live in Korea, all my ports are unblocked... except 80 which my stupid supplied router has open, other than that I can run any services I want and access them with my ip. If I need a webpage I can have it run on a different port. It should be noted however that I do have a dynamic ip and have to make use of a script to keep track of it.

Re:Running Servers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739731)

I'm wondering if Acceptable Use Policies in Korea allow the running of servers

Judging by the amiount of SPAM I get from Korea, my guess is... Yes.

Why can't we get this kind of penetration? (5, Insightful)

KiltedKnight (171132) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739631)

Three reasons:

  1. SBC (primarily it's PacBell portion)
  2. Verizon
  3. BellSouth
We would've long ago had a much higher penetration level, except they want to control the lines and the access.

Re:Why can't we get this kind of penetration? (1)

terminateprocess (812697) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739756)

Parent has a good insight here, along with other things I've been hearing.

The main thing is, in the US, there are only a handful of people controling broadband access. In addition, the population density here in the US is (comparitively) very low. Thus, what is going to be the incentive for a handful of telecom giants to spend billions to upgrade aging landlines in the US to give people higher speed?

People will pay more for faster connections, but not at the rate at which US telecom companies are experiencing revenue right now. In other words, for them to make up the money spent on your faster DSL line, you'd have to pay, say (completely hypothetically!) $100 a month for a 100mbit+ line. No home users are going to pay that much for a faster line, when a lot of people in the US are perfectly happy with their ~1mbit connections, since they've never experienced anything faster than that.


It's all about location and competition

Ha! (1)

Renraku (518261) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739637)

You guys should feel lucky. I've got 1500/256. It costs me $50 a month.

Someone asked why you'd want to pay for 1500/256. You know, I can't afford to have a T3 come into my house. Tht's why I pay for my pathetic broadband that Bellsouth pretty much has a monopoly on around here. /near Knoxville, TN

envy (2, Insightful)

AssFace (118098) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739652)

I pay $80 a month for 600kbp up/down DSL and then another $120 to the phone company for the line. This is currently the fastest/cheapest we have seen and it is recent.

The phone company is slightly scamming in that they have listed on their page that the 256kbps line that I had been paying for through them could handle 1.5mbps downloads but the 256kbps was for the uploads.
But when I complained to them that I was getting nowhere near 600kbps downloads, they told me that I needed to upgrade my line with them (meaning in payment).
So I did that and now I am paying more, but still not getting the speed.
The ISP swears that they turned off the limits on my account, so I *should* be getting even 1.5mbps through them, but I am getting about 250kbps at best.

Lately when I try calling my home phone number, I can't get through and instead just get a blast of static and then a dead line.
I am assuming that is probably related to why my DSL speed sucks, but in order to get them to come look at it, for some reason I have to actually be here (none of the phone line is inside the house except for the short line that comes in through the wall to where I have my phone) - and I can't just leave me job and lounge around the house all day (were I an exec I could work from home, but I am the IT bitch at work, so that means I need to be there in person).

Just thinking about all of this wants me to smack someone.

But I live in Bermuda, and when I mention that to anyone, they assume that I spend my days lounging on the beach and don't have much sympathy for me. Of course, I am a nerd and don't care about the beach or sunburns, and right now it is COLD outside.

I envy the broadband of South Korea.

Re:envy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739746)

Lately when I try calling my home phone number, I can't get through and instead just get a blast of static and then a dead line.

You forgot to install the DSL filters on your other phones..?

That's Not Accurate for Everywhere... (1)

ethan_clark (204137) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739653)

I live in the Silicon Valley, and I pay $40/month for a 6mbps DSL line (606kbps upstream) from SBC/Yahoo!.

I don't know who this guy was using for an ISP, but $50/month for a 1.5 (i'm assuming that's what his US account was) certainly isn't a fair price for my area at this time.

Still overpriced. I pay $40 for 5Mbit in Canada. (1)

Chirs (87576) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739655)

I live in Saskatoon, SK. For the geographically disinclined, this is north of Montana/North Dakota.

Around here, a 1.5Mb DSL line from the local telco goes for $35 CAD/mo, and a 5Mbit connection is $45/mo CAD.

For a bit more, I can get digital TV over DSL, with an interactive decoder box that hooks into the broadband line.

American telcos are seriously overcharging....

Re:Still overpriced. I pay $40 for 5Mbit in Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739718)

Don't forget about sasktel's 7mbit/1mbit plan for $55cdn...

foreign elitism (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739666)

That's interesting, that's half the speed of my $50 dollar cable connection and I live in the US(Seattle)

Videotron in Canada (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739667)

Videotron cable :
5.1 mbps (~ 125k up / 600k down)
20gb down/ 10gb up limit
34$CAN / month

Downstream costs (1)

Anonymouse Cownerd (754174) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739678)

I understand that the typical broadband user has asymmetric use, with the user downloading much more than he is uploading, but WHY, WHY does it cost so much for decent downstream bandwidth? In my opinion, downstream and upsteam bandwidth should cost the same - but maybe it' because of this bad business sense that I am not sunning on a million dollar yacht in the middle of the Pacific right now.

Sometimes I think once people realize what a fast downstream pipe can do for them, that is when broadband will TRULY take off.

A bit more than $30/mo (4, Insightful)

magarity (164372) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739726)

nearly $11 billion program ... I pay $30 myself ... twice the speed of my $50-a-month service back home in the United States.'"

Let's see here; he's crowing about how it "costs less" at $30 per month yet ignores the taxes collected to create the $11B system. Sorry people, it ain't cheaper; the costs are just hidden in the Koreans' taxes.

Japan typically has 15mbits/sec (1)

BillsPetMonkey (654200) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739735)

For around 6,000JPY a month on ADSL.

Fuzzy Math (1)

auburnate (755235) | more than 9 years ago | (#11739738)

I pay $30 myself, for a 1.5-megabits-per-second (mbps) connection--twice the speed of my $50-a-month service back home in the United States.'"

Since when was $50 twice what $30 is ...

Uh Oh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11739749)

Another big government program. Them thar Socialist Koreans are carry'in on like the Communist French. Soon they'll contrive to have fries named after them.
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