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Apple to Buy TiVo?

samzenpus posted more than 9 years ago | from the rumor-mill dept.

Media (Apple) 491

vallette writes "Reuters is reporting that Apple may be interested in buying TiVo. Seems like a good fit to me. Both companies stock price is up on the rumor."

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Go for it! (5, Interesting)

BWJones (18351) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763425)

How can this not be a good idea? A decent PVR setup (with hardware acceleration) has been missing for the MacOS platform. Even though there are software options, they require heavy duty hardware and because there is no hardware acceleration, even a G5 takes a bit of crunching to perform compressions and such. Also, given Apple's video compression technologies such as Pixlet would make ideal means for encoding video for later replay, say on the plane or some such downtime.

Of course the business analysis will make the ultimate determination of whether or not Apple is willing to make the move, (and Tivo has been losing money), but if any company can make it work, while showing the MPAA and equivalent TV organization a past history of success in media with iTunes, Apple is it. Come on, how would you like to in addition to the traditional PVR duties, be able to pull up TV episodes of old series that are not being shown, even in syndication? Or have a truly "on demand" movie library of all sorts, not just the popular canned options that cable companies think will be most profitable?

Re:Go for it! (-1, Troll)

Stinkythe1 (719563) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763482)

Unfortunately, the new apple tivo will cost $700 and the monthly fee will be $50. You know how apple is with their big price tags.

maybe (1)

grahamsz (150076) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763523)

but it'll look cool as hell :)

options (2, Insightful)

loid_void (740416) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763498)

the popular canned options

Shouldn't that be "unpopular" canned options?

Re:options (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11763531)

No, it should either be "unpopular, canned options" or "popular canned options". The comma in the first quotation makes both the adjectives stick to options. In the second case the adjective popular is sticking to canned, which means that the canning is popular with cable companies.

Alternatively... (5, Interesting)

Chordonblue (585047) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763505)

Or how would you like to ride in an aircar to your destination, or 'micro-wave' all of your food?

As usual, good ideas never live up to the reality and the problem here isn't so cut and dried. CONTENT is the issue. All I see Apple gaining is the TiVO name (which in and of itself isn't a bad thing). Content suppliers are the ones who will have to meet consumers halfway and if what's been going on with the DMCA, Broadcast Flag, and other nonsense, I don't see this changing.

Now... If Apple decides to take chances and 'loophole' solutions to let their consumers do what they want with the content - THAT would be interesting. So far, it appears the consumer electronics industry as a whole is rolling over when challenged by the likes of the RIAA and MPAA.

Re:Alternatively... (5, Insightful)

tgibbs (83782) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763639)

Content suppliers are the ones who will have to meet consumers halfway and if what's been going on with the DMCA, Broadcast Flag, and other nonsense, I don't see this changing.

Actually, Steve Jobs might be the one guy who can do this. Remember, he's not just a potential DVR manufacturer, he is also, through Pixar, a content producer himself. So as he did with iTunes, he may well be able to work out a DRM scheme that is acceptable to the industry, yet not unacceptable to the average consumer.

Re:Go for it! (1)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763511)

"How can this not be a good idea?"

How about taking the prime example of a great Linux user interface and removing Linux from the equation. I agree that Tivo has very little choice, at this point, but a move like this would end up only further pushing Linux into server rooms (and away from living rooms).

Re:Go for it! (1)

rokzy (687636) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763655)

so what?

who wants linux in living rooms? it'll only get there anytime soon through massive dumbing down.

it's also a bonus for security/reliabilty to have servers and clients running different systems and only communicating via explicitly sanctioned methods.

'linux in living rooms' would be nice as a side-effect of it becoming the best OS ever, but as an actively-pursued agenda for its own sake is just stupid (imo).

Re:Go for it! (5, Funny)

useosx (693652) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763536)

So if Apple buys TiVo are they then dying twice as fast or twice as slow?

Or are their deaths still interdependent?

Re:Go for it! (5, Funny)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763602)

So if Apple buys TiVo are they then dying twice as fast or twice as slow?

It'll seem faster because you can skip the commercials.

Re:Go for it! (5, Insightful)

tgibbs (83782) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763616)

I think that it is likely that Apple will get into the PVR business, probably once the CableCard 2.0 standard is finalized and it becomes possible for 3rd party devices to replicate and extend the function of cable boxes.

As a TiVo owner, I'd like to see Apple buy TiVo.

But as an Apple stockholder, I don't see what Apple gets out of the deal.

DVR technology? It's no great secret. There are open-source DVRs. If they want to buy the technology, Elgato [elgato.com] is probably cheaper, and their stuff already runs on OS X.

The TiVo brandname? Apple is probably one of the few companies with little to gain from the Tivo name. Apple already has more brand recognition than TiVo, and they'd to better to merchandise a hypothetical Apple DVR as "the company that brought you the iPod" than on the basis of the less well known TiVo name.

The TiVo interface? It's impressive for a consumer electronics product, but nothing special by Apple standards. Presumably, Apple would want to roll their own, as they did for iPod.

Tivo's current customers? If they aren't making a profit for TiVo, why would they make one for Apple? Besides, Apple presumably will want to introduce something like the iTunes Music Store for HD video. This will require H.264 [apple.com] for efficient content delivery. Current TiVo hardware can't handle this. Presumably, current TiVo owners will be looking to upgrade in the next few years to a DVR with HD capability. Why shouldn't it be an Apple instead of a TiVo?

TiVo's patents? This is the only thing I can think of that Apple might want. But I'm not sure how crucial they are. They certainly haven't stopped cable companies from handing out competing DVRs, or Elgato from implementing one on the Mac. Still, I suppose that it is possible that TiVo has some patent that would be crucial to the kind of user experience that Apple hopes to create.

Eliminating a potential competitor for the DVR market? Again, perhaps, but at the moment TiVo isn't seeming like that big a threat.

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You probably mean H.264 (2, Insightful)

bubba451 (779167) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763630)

Also, given Apple's video compression technologies such as Pixlet would make ideal means for encoding video for later replay, say on the plane or some such downtime.

I'm picking nits here, but Pixlet would actually be a terrible technology for this application. Pixlet sacrifices compression rate for the ability to do frame by frame advances. Great for an editor; not so great if you just want to watch video.

H.264 (aka AVC) [apple.com] , however, would be terrific for this, since it's designed to scale all the way from HD to cellphone resolution.

Re:Go for it! (1)

Phat_Tony (661117) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763654)

Let's hope it at least goes better than it went last time [larwe.com] .

Here's what really makes people think... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11763688)

What does Roland Piquepaille think about this??

Re:Go for it! (5, Informative)

prichardson (603676) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763694)

Misconception Alert!

Don't worry, it's a minor one.

Pixlet is designed for video editing. It compresses each frame individually. This is good for doing certain effects, since any frame can be pulled out of context.

MPEG-4 compression uses previous frames to make a frame. This allows the file to be smaller, but doesn't allow frames to pulled out of context for effects to be added.

Hope that clears things up! Otherwise, great post.

first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11763431)

first post

Heh, (-1, Offtopic)

lfrandom (858433) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763434)

Works with me.

teens4christ (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11763436)

represent 3/6 amante banged a fat nigger

Re:teens4christ (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11763487)

Peccavi fathered an illegitimate child, what a useless douchebag.

News for Tivos. Apples that matter. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11763440)

Right... (5, Funny)

atezun (755568) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763443)

And mysteriously my TiVo no longer skips those retina burning iPod commercials

Re:Right... (4, Funny)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763534)

Aww, com'on. Admit it. You had fun guessing those guys were U2. It took my wife 6 repeated viewings to figure that out (and it took my grandmother one viewing to spout "Why on earth would that girl twirl her hair around like that? She's going to get whiplash!")

Re:Right... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11763628)

I'm assuming you muted the payola U2 song or something, otherwise it was completely obvious.

Re:Right... (1)

Breakfast Pants (323698) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763635)

Are you kidding? U2 is so vain that they made their appearance in the iPod commercials be in greyscale as opposed to monotone like all the other people in every other iPod commercial.

Maybe it's going here (3, Interesting)

loid_void (740416) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763446)

Most have seen these pictures [tecknohost.com] .

Re:Maybe it's going here (4, Informative)

MyDixieWrecked (548719) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763493)

dude, thos pictures have already been confirmed fakes. You can see that it's just a white cardboard box with a color-laserprint top and front and ports...

heh.

Re:Maybe it's going here (3, Funny)

SamBeckett (96685) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763502)

I think Apple could come up with a better name than "iHome"; that is retarded in the strictest short-yellow bus sense possible. Now if you excuse me, I have to go type some things up in iWork while listening to my iPod which is powered by iTunes. iRule.

iDon't know (1)

loid_void (740416) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763586)

ROFL - well, it can't be iTivo, it just can't!

Figures (5, Interesting)

Walker2323 (670050) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763448)

If anyone can figure this one out it's Apple. Tivo is an amazing product, it just needs to be managed properly. Apple seems to be pretty good at that these days.

Re:Figures (4, Insightful)

salemlb (857652) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763572)

More importantly, Apple has the sizable cash reserve to prop TiVo up until a way can be found to keep the device from losing money. iMovie store a possibility there. On the other hand, why would Apple want to take on a company that is losing money? Does TiVo have any IP that Apple needs? Any engineers that Apple wants to hire but can't pry away from TiVo? If all Apple is going for is a good PVR device for some future Mac... why not leverage your own brand and build your own? Apple has the tech and the cash to do it... do they really need TiVo for a mere PVR?

Bollocks!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11763450)

I fecking HATE Apple and their smug self satisfied air of arrogance. I'm going to shit on my TiVo if this happens.

Re:Bollocks!! (-1, Troll)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763494)

shut the fuck up loser.

WORD (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11763540)

If Apple is so great, why do they suck so bad?

Answer that, Apple fanboys.

Re:WORD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11763697)

they suck so bad because they are not so good at sucking.

now, crawl back under your rock.

Rumours? (1, Offtopic)

camcorder (759720) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763451)

Why is it allways Apple that's involved with those rumours? Apples should better hire better PR guys or stop getting benefits from so called rumours.

Re:Rumours? (1)

prsnmn (782875) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763539)

"Why is it allways Apple that's involved with those rumours? Apples should better hire better PR guys or stop getting benefits from so called rumours." I'm sure Apple really hates to have the whole tech community talking about them. It's probably their PR guys that are leaking all these tidbits.

In my day... (2, Interesting)

hazman (642790) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763453)

Apple was the fish to be eaten, not the fish to eat.

Re:In my day... (1)

penginkun (585807) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763702)

Well, people have been plotting Apple's doom or assimilation for many moons now. I have an old MacWorld or Mac User (can't remember which) from the Taligent days wherein John Dvorak predicted that (because of the whole IBM partnership) Apple would be eaten alive by IBM and by 2000 no-one would remember them.

And if I hear one more person repeat that, "Microsoft bought Apple for $150 million a ten years ago" urban legend I'm gonna scream. As if a company which (at the time) had $2 billion in cash reserves could be purchased for so little!

the little "i" thing (5, Funny)

TWX (665546) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763455)

Well, at least the TiVo service already somewhat goes with the current Apple naming scheme...

Re:the little "i" thing (1)

bonch (38532) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763541)

It also sticks it to Microsoft and their appearance at CES 2005 where they were chatting up being at the center of digital media while their television and X-Box games crashed. So, Apple just buys TiVo. :)

Maybe buying TiVo could be the kickstart of a future downloadable movie and TV service akin to iTunes.

Maybe they should buy Audi as well (2)

zaxios (776027) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763637)

(Concerning the uniqueness of having a little "i")

Ob. Family Guy (2, Funny)

Zorilla (791636) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763712)

Peter: "No, that says 'Audi' - the "T" is silent!"

now I can tivo the tiger release trial! (0, Offtopic)

brainchill (611679) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763469)

Wahoo

iPorn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11763470)

Yay a way to record porn from pay per view. Then add it to my collection from Limewire!

Digital hub (4, Interesting)

caryw (131578) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763471)

This would make sense as it would fit in with their "digital hub" [apple.com] philosophy. My only question is how would they integrate it with their existing product line?
iPodTV anyone?
--Fairfax Underground [fairfaxunderground.com] : Where Fairfax County comes out to play

Mac Tivo? (5, Funny)

CTO1 (850830) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763473)

Great. Now my Tivo will play even fewer games.

Re:Mac Tivo? (5, Funny)

daeley (126313) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763528)

Great. Now my Tivo will play even fewer games.

Wait till you see the one-button remote control. ;)

(I kid because I love.)

Re:Mac Tivo? (2, Informative)

tgibbs (83782) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763661)

Wait till you see the one-button remote control.

It already has one. Much in the Mac spirit, virtually all TiVo functions can be accessed just with the directional pad and the single select button. Most of the other buttons are just optional shortcuts.

I wish (4, Insightful)

JHromadka (88188) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763474)

Not sure if the bandwidth requirements are there yet, but it would be an interesting proposition. iPod::iTMS, TiVo::iMVS (iMovie Video Store). Given TiVo's crapping on the Mac lately by not supporting AAC and no Mac support for TiVo2Go, I think this is purely wishful-thinking on the analyst's part.

Re:I wish (3, Interesting)

protohiro1 (590732) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763553)

It isn't that big of a reach. People forget that iTunes started with an aquisition: Soundjam MP. Why start from scratch with a set top box when someone else has done most of the grunt work? Given that Tivo runs on linux PPC and MIPS (series I & II) I would imagine the code is fairly portable. And getting it to run on darwin would likely be fairly trivial. If Tivo is a good buy Apple can really save money and time to market by aquiring them.

why bother (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11763476)

Just get a free bittorrent client for your Mac mini. Who needs a TiVo?

Right! (1)

SweetAndSourJesus (555410) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763595)

I'd much rather spend 45 minutes illegally downloading some crap rip that has unnerving commercials for places that don't exist in my area than have a cheap machine do it for me automagically.

A useful move (1)

trabisnikof (694721) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763477)

It has already been rumored that apple was going to make a large acquisition. I think this would be a useful move for apple, allowing for a presence in the PVR and Media Center markets without creating a new product, or any of the R&D costs involved.

I like the part about "cheaper" (2, Funny)

TuballoyThunder (534063) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763479)

Analysts said that Apple's focus on its immensely successful iPod digital music player would probably preclude it from going after money-losing TiVo, whose growth strategy has been questioned due to the rise of cheaper DVRs being deployed by cable TV providers.
If Apple did buy TiVo, the price differential would no longer be an issue--everybody expects to pay the Apple premium!

Apple Product Cycle (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11763484)

Saw funny run-down of the Apple product cycle [misterbg.org] in someone's sig today. This cracked me up.

Ready, Set... (2, Funny)

kromozone (817261) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763491)

Let the wild speculation begin! I predict the iMovie store will play an integral part in this along with the new chip-based 3ivX encoder, and the cell processor system, and some sort of robot sent back from the future. Oh my!

Snide Remark (2, Insightful)

ewhac (5844) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763495)

Frankly, I'm not really interested in paying $699.00 for a TiVo in translucent blue plastic.

Besides, it doesn't seem all that great a fit. TiVo is based on Linux, and Apple has spent the last half decade working on Mach/BSD. "Apple-izing" the TiVo would take an enormous amount of parallel engineering, during which time no new TiVo products would come out.

It's almost a cool idea, but I don't see it working.

Schwab

Re:Snide Remark (5, Insightful)

Moofie (22272) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763546)

Call me crazy, but based on the last few financial quarters, I'm guessing that Steve jobs has a better handle on his business than you do. If he does this deal, it's going to be because he thinks he can make it work.

WTF is up with the blue plastic crack? How many current Apple products come in blue plastic?

indigo? (1)

gabe (6734) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763663)

Well... this one did [everymac.com] .

Re:indigo? (1)

sarahemm (707486) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763676)

Yes, it did. However, that hasn't been a *current* Apple product for many years now :)

Re:indigo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11763678)

didn't he say current?

Re:indigo? (1)

Moofie (22272) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763731)

And if it were, what? 1999? That would be a CURRENT product. But it's not, so it's not.

Re:Snide Remark (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11763629)

Why change kernel? Both are unices, so just port top-level applications to create apple look&feel, and nobody cares what's inside, especially since it's an electric appliance, not computer.

Re:Snide Remark (2, Insightful)

the pickle (261584) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763680)

OK, let's think about this. They could take the custom TiVo software and port it to Mac OS X in what, a month? That, by the way, includes the time to write a nice Aqua front-end.

After all, as you so astutely pointed out, TiVo runs Linux, and Mac OS is based on BSD. The two are far more similar than different.

I think the "analyst" -- and I use that term very loosely -- is demonstrating the very definition of "wishful thinking," but you're insane if you think an Apple TiVo would cost $200 more than a Mac mini, come in blue plastic, and take a year to get to market just because of some trivial software differences.

p

Re:Snide Remark (3, Insightful)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763695)

1) Why would a TiVo need to run on OS X?
2) Why would it be difficult to port the actual PVR software to OS X?
3) Why would it cost you $699?
4) Why would it be in blue plastic?

I suspect it would cost $499 and come in a Mac mini shaped box as additional software, and it would integrate with some kind of media software, like iTunes, and use Rendezvous to stream it across the network to all your Macs/PCs, and it would be compressed in H.264

A use for the Mac Mini (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11763497)

There were and have been all sorts of rumours going round that the Mini was aimed at this kind of usage.

Could mae a lot of sense - it would look pretty nice next to a tv.. with a wireless controlloer of some sort.. could be a very nice package.

How do you think apple's FairWatch (or whatever they choose to call it) would end up looking like?

Apple marketshare (2, Interesting)

vistic (556838) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763504)

I like to see Apple becoming a more acknowledged and respected brand... since someday I hope more people can enjoy how much better an experience using Mac OSX is compared to Windows.

We all know Apple is leading in MP3 players.

And we all know Apple has about 2% marketshare when it comes to computers. What I don't think I've ever seen though is a marketshare breakdown for just laptops. I only know one person who has a Mac on his desktop at home... but in my classes (computer science majors) I'd say about half the laptops are iBooks or PowerBooks... and I see perhaps an even greater percentage when I go into the library where the majors are more mixed. (And yet there's always a university Mac station free even when all the Windows PCs are taken and have a queue)

I know Macs are unpopular for desktops (never mind how many companies buy Windows desktops straight from Dell, that must REALLY count against Apple there)... but I have a hunch they're doing very well in the laptop arena.

2% marketshare, hmm. (1)

Shag (3737) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763665)

What exactly do we all know? And how do we know it?

I've heard that Apple's revenue from personal computers is about 2% of the total industry-wide revenue from such things.

I've heard that about 10% of the installed base of computers actually in use is Apple.

And I've heard that anywhere from 20% to 60% of university faculty and students, depending on the university, are choosing Apple computers.

These figures are not in any way mutually exclusive, but they certainly give different impressions.

In Korea only old people (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11763510)

watch TiVo.

The discussions went something like... (4, Interesting)

Mr. Cancelled (572486) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763520)

"You see we have this new computer that we think would be a nice machine to power a familys media needs... It'll handle DVD's, CD's, mp3's, and a ton of other formats. And it's small! A family could tuck is away somewhere our of the way, and control everything through say a Bluetooth enabled remote. And did I mention it's quiet? You could hear a pin drop with it running a foot away from you".

"Of course it would also nice if we could somehow integrate some PVR-like capabilities into our system... Time shifting and the like... Well say, that's what you boys do, now that I think about it. Look... You could sell media boxs for the next few years, until the cable companies, and the satellite companies put you out of business, Or... You could join up with me, and we can change the world!"

Oh yeaaaaaaahhhhhhh (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11763532)

I can't wait to see what it would look like, perhaps an egg shaped object that, resembles something Mork kicked open and crawled out of!!

Apple + Tivo (0, Troll)

SafteyMan (860733) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763542)

All apple would have to do is make the tivo pearly white and then the loads of apple fans would buy it instantly.

Tivo + Airport Express = Sweet. (2, Interesting)

newdamage (753043) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763543)

If Apple were to do this and buy Tivo, all they'd have to do is integrate the airport express hardware into a tivo and you'd have a very nice way to wireless stream audio and video to your tv from your computer as well as still having a great DVR. I'd also like to see what Apple could do to possible improve the Tivo UI.

Why would this work for Apple? Yes, Tivo is getting hammered by the big cable companies, but Apple has never needed market share to succeed, if they make a nice box to fix in the home threatre cabinet then the Apple hoardes will follow.

iTunes Video Store (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11763544)

Think about it. Apple gets a platform to finally take iTunes/iPod to the next level, and Tivo finally gets something to differentiate themselves from all the other PVRs out there.

And most importantly Apple has at least some block on Windows Media Video ruling the world.

Apple better off on there own (4, Informative)

piltdownman84 (853358) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763548)

Really, why would Apple want Tivo? Last I heard tivo was starting to fall on hard times.

Far better off just making their own PVR software. You can already hack together a pretty nice PVR using a Motorola DCT-6200 and a Mac. see here : http://macteens.com/more.php?id=410_0_1_0_C [macteens.com]

The only reason Apple might want tivo is to leverage themselves somehow into the way that cable/satellite/ip content is distributed, just to block M$ push. Maybe i'm missing something but I don't see how buying tivo would help much if any with this.

That said I would love to see a nice Mac Mini DVR from Apple. That said if they don't make one, not too hard to make one yourself.

I, for one, welcome our iPippen overlords

Re:Apple better off on there own (2, Interesting)

Dr. Spork (142693) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763681)

There aren't many brand names that have tuned into generic verbs. "Tivo" is one of them. It already has a lot of clout and a fanatical base. Apple knows how to live on clout and a fanatical base.

Maybe they're holding out until the stock price drops lower before they buy. The answer to your question is that Apple is buying the brand, and for cheap. They also probably have some internet-to-Tivo movie distribution scheme in mind. This could be big.

One more thing: You meant "their" not "there". Please don't ever, ever screw this up again. This is how puppies get kicked.

Imagine if this was Microsoft... (2)

MSFanBoi (695480) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763551)

Note that most people are rather positive about this.... Imagine if it was Microsoft purchasing Tivo...

My Tivo Sucks (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11763554)

I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Tivo fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Tivo (a revision 3) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 minute show from one machine to another. 20 minutes! At home, on my MiniITX running MythTV, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Tivo, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.

In addition, during this program transfer, the Channel Guide will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even the media player software for the PC is straining to keep up as I type this.

I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Tivos, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Tivo that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Tivo's faster Linux architecture. My ReplayTV with 8gigs of HD runs faster than this machine at times! From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Tivo is a superior machine.

Tivo addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Tivo over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

(Word to the mods. [kottke.org] )

Re:My Tivo Sucks (1)

MuckSavage (658302) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763622)

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!! No.

Re:My Tivo Sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11763673)

Fine comedy is wasted on Slashdot.

Re:My Tivo Sucks (1)

tgibbs (83782) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763691)

I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Tivos, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Tivo that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Tivo's faster Linux architecture.

Well, let's see. TiVo's these days are going for $50-100. So to be fair, you should compare a Wintel system in the same price range. A 386, maybe?

Re:My Tivo Sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11763717)

Damn, I forgot to cut and paste that one.

You win.

I suck.

I shall troll no more... forever!

Re:My Tivo Sucks (1)

Storlek (860226) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763715)

All right, whoever modded this flamebait obviously doesn't know where it's from, which is excusable, but what's worse, they didn't even bother clicking the link.

This is funny, and perhaps underrated, but flamebait it is not. Pure genius.

Cue the obvious comment (2, Funny)

quantaman (517394) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763556)

So it would be iTiVo then?

Re:Cue the obvious comment (1)

donutz (195717) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763577)

Or maybe they'll shorten it to iTV?

Perfect Match (4, Funny)

MustEatYemen (810379) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763557)

Misery Loves Company.
Wonder when Apple will pick up BSD cause that's been dying forever, oh wait.

Been here, said that (1)

metoc (224422) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763566)

Must remember to call my broker before I successfully predict a rumour.

http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=140271&c id=11746124 [slashdot.org]

Re:Been here, said that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11763615)

Wow, making vague and largely obvious predictions.

You must be the next freaking nostradamus.

Wow. (1)

DaveJay (133437) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763598)

I posted a comment to this effect elsewhere several weeks ago, and on either here or MetaFilter (can't remember) a few days ago -- and I was just thinking it was a good idea, no info or rumors.

If this comes true, do I get to call myself a prophet, or just really good at spotting the obvious?

TiVo and Netflix will make a good combo! (1)

kautilya (727754) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763603)

I was thinking tivo should be on Netflix's radar. For Tivo ideally fits with video-on-demand services which is a major threat to Netflix business model. Perhaps, it makes lot more sense for Netflix to buy tivo and integrate all these services (Tivo, video-on-demand (whenever it comes) and ofcourse DVD rentals!)..

Mac mini is the next TiVo unit? (5, Interesting)

Linuxathome (242573) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763606)

A cursory glance certainly highlights pros of an Apple/TiVo merger:

1. Mac mini can be a TiVo unit (just use the S-Video out adapter for your TV set). Although it'll need a TV card (wish they'd come out with something like the Hauppauge Nexus-S satellite TV card).
2. Next generation iPod Photo will probably be iPod Video with content that can be transferred from your TiVo unit (the Mac mini) to your iPod Video portable unit.
3. Apple is probably not happy with just distributing music media (via its iTunes store) but is looking to the future to also provide downloadable video content via an "iVideo" store--what better way to do that than to buy the TiVo customer base and offer them this content.
4. Apple can ensure that the saved video content has the right digital stamps (a la .AAC but for video) to restrict transfer of video to approved "devices" such as other TiVo units or portable accessories.

The one downside I see in this merger is that Apple will probably concentrate less and less on the service of "timeshifting" (i.e. drop it entirely), unless they can ensure that users have a right to that material. READ: unless the bigwigs of TV land is happy about how Apple handles digital rights management of timeshifted/saved content. Although timeshifting and saving media for later viewing is currently acceptable, the logical path that this technology leads to, is the ability to share that content or make it portable--something that is not yet acceptable among Hollywood and the TV networks.

It looks perfect (2, Funny)

davidmcw (97565) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763618)

They both love inappropriately capitalised names...

Kinda tenuous, I know, but it is late and I'm tired

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Re:FREE PSP!! (PLAYSTATION PORTABLE) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11763701)

I've gotta hand it to you--that's one of the cleverest Goatse links I've seen!

Strange... (1)

m33p (635261) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763667)

It's sure looking like the MacMini was designed to be the iPod of PVRs. No doubt that's where Apple is going. But why do they need TiVo? There isn't anything technical that Apple can't do as good if not better. Apple as enough name cred already to introduce their own product. Acquiring TiVo won't garner a large share of the market. Gotta wonder what's going on here....

Now that's the idea... (1)

dantheman82 (765429) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763714)

Finally, I can see a use for the 20-60gb iPods - for portable video content. Too bad the current iPod and iPod mini won't be able to display that stuff. Maybe at that point, I could see buying an iPod Video (to borrow the no-nonsense Apple naming scheme)...after the price has dropped a little in 2nd generation. Furthermore, I'd rather hold off on the Mac Mini because it's not really ready as a set-top box yet.

However, Jobs seems to be building this market piece by piece and in a very good order, I might add. First music, then photos, then video. Life is random, but Apple's marketing is not ;)

I'm waiting for the video because then I can have all three in one easy-to-use device ...

New business model (1)

martian265 (156352) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763722)

Both companies stock price is up on the rumor.

1. Pay Apple $$$ for new iStock service.
2. Apple spreads "rumors" of a buyout
3. Stock prices go up.
4. ???
5. Profit

Debt (4, Interesting)

Johnny Mnemonic (176043) | more than 9 years ago | (#11763729)


Doesn't TiVo have a huge amount of debt? While their product may be interesting, I am under the belief that if Apple were to purchase Tivo, it would mean also having to acquire that debt--whereas, if anything, if Apple just purchased the rights to the TiVo software (to run on a mini, etc) they don't have to take on that debt too.

What does Apple gain from a TiVo purchase vs a license to their tech? If Tivo were making money, there'd be that--but they aren't and their prospects are dim.

I can see Apple licensing the tech, releasing it for free (for Macs) or as part of their iLife tools--and then charging a sub to hit Apple servers for schedule download. And I think they could do really interesting things with DRM content with OS X as a platform. I guess we'll see.

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