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Was the Lokitorrent Suit a Hoax?

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the put-on-your-foil-hat dept.

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kamhp writes "Recently earthreactor.com published an article stating that the whole Loki Torrent suit was a fraud and that it was all staged to collect donations toataling in the tens of thousands then sell the domain. "It seems that the owner of LokiTorrent decided to take the donation money and run, and to cover his tracks, scare the hell out of the entire p2p community. The scare tactic was probably nothing but a decoy to convince intelligent people not to ask the right questions" "

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Wow (1)

beatdown (788583) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770708)

But is it illegal to collect money in that fashion? And should I feel bad about the people who gave to such a cause, if the allegations are true? First pizzle

Remember what LokiTorrent was? (5, Insightful)

Rei (128717) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770748)

...There's no honor among thieves.

Clairify that comment,plz (5, Funny)

TiggertheMad (556308) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770812)

...Are you taking about Lokitorrent or the RIAA?

Re:Clairify that comment,plz (4, Funny)

Rei (128717) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770832)

Now that you mention it, both, :)

Re:Wow (0, Redundant)

vandoravp (709954) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770766)

Looks like the site really was illegal, and not just in the *AA way either.

Re:Wow (1)

ArmchairGenius (859830) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770896)

Yes it is fraud - wire and mail fraud. There would also be potential RICO exposure too.
And perhaps there are other claims to be made too.

Claims against what exactly? (5, Interesting)

lxt (724570) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770956)

Like so many here, IANAL - but how exactly would you mount such a case?

"Your Honour, I used this website to knowingly violate copyright law, and then gave the owner of said site some money in the belief it was in order to defend a case against him, and therefore keep the site up. I want my money back, because no such case existed".

Response:
"So, you gave money in exchange for the possibility of continued use of an illegal service"

It would be very, very hard to argue that you gave money without previously using the site to download illegal material, or that when you parted with your money you had no hope at all it would result in the continued usage of the illegal service LokiTorrent provided.

Re:Claims against what exactly? (1)

Reignking (832642) | more than 9 years ago | (#11771059)

It would be very, very hard to argue that you gave money without previously using the site to download illegal material

What does that have to do with fraud?

Fun (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11770722)

This thread will be fun to watch. Kaboom!

Class-action lawsuit, anyone? (3, Interesting)

Celestial Avenger (826964) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770727)

If I recall correctly, wasn't there a Paypal donate button? Fairly sure they can find out each and every person that donated to that POS. Glad I didn't give him my $0.02.

Re:Class-action lawsuit, anyone? (5, Funny)

One of the abnormals (817423) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770753)

If you gave $0.02, Paypal would have taken it away in fees anyway ;)

Re:Class-action lawsuit, anyone? (5, Funny)

Celestial Avenger (826964) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770776)

Oh crap, I hope I didn't offend that Macromedia Flash artist I donated to then when I said that was all I could afford..

RTFA's Comments (5, Informative)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770815)

There's a link to the related press release [mpaa.org] on the MPAA's website.

I have a hard time trusting people (1)

Celestial Avenger (826964) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770910)

That go around sticking "You can click but you can't hide" images on sites. I know that's authentic, but there's a chance the MPAA most likely feels it can post false articles as well. It's all about scare tactics for them. They should figure, "Why not?"

Re:Class-action lawsuit, anyone? (0, Troll)

pcmanjon (735165) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770845)

Wow, thats amazing, me and a friend on teamspeak when it first happened both bet it was probably a scam, and that we should do such a scam just like it...

Turns out... we're right.

Amazing, how gullable people are to scams these days.

Re:Class-action lawsuit, anyone? (0, Redundant)

pcmanjon (735165) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770985)

Me and my friend first looked at the netcraft, the IP never changed when the 'FILE SHARING IS WRONG' Page hosted by the mpaa came up.

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=lokito rr ent.com

See? The ip addr's never changed.

Wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11770729)

A criminal can't be trusted?

Simple solution (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11770737)

Shoot him.

example of capitalism (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11770745)

I've been looking for a good example of pure capitalism to follow. Now I have my new religion :)

Re:example of capitalism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11771073)

That isn't capatilism you stooge, that's just plain fraud.

Does anyone bother checking facts? (5, Insightful)

nuclear305 (674185) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770746)

If it's such a hoax what exactly do you call this [mpaa.org] ? (Google's HTML Version [64.233.167.104] )

"The MPAA's efforts to date have resulted in a 40 percent reduction in the number of servers that continue to operate. One such site that will no longer exist is LokiTorrent?one of the largest BitTorrent host servers. The operator of that site, Edward Webber, agreed to not only pay a substantial settlement with even greater financial penalties for any further such actions, but by Court Order must provide the MPAA with access to and copies of all logs and server data related to his illegal BitTorrent activities, which will provide a roadmap to others who have used LokiTorrent to engage in illegal activities."

The premise of the article is based entirely on the fact that there is no documentation from the MPAA--but indeed there is such documentation. I know we'd all love to believe the MPAA created that release to capitalize on this so-called hoax but no doubt that would be subject to legal action for such blatant lies.

The article also states "If LokiTorrent.com had been sued in Dallas Federal Courts, then some type of public record would appear. NO ONLINE RECORD APPEARS WHATSOEVER!"

So...if it's not on the internet, it must not exist right....right!?

Did anyone bother contacting the MPAA for a comment on the Lokitorrent case rather than providing more fire to the rumor mill?

Re:Does anyone bother checking facts? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11770794)

Facts? On Slashdot?

Re:Does anyone bother checking facts? (1)

Rei (128717) | more than 9 years ago | (#11771026)

Well... it is true that something smells fishy. Here's another article on the subject:

LokiTorrent Selling to the MPAA [torrent-news.com]

The basic summary is that LokiTorrent started collecting 30k$ before they were even sued, and then really raised the money after that; yet, these sites make lots of money in advertizing dollars. LokiTorrent claimed 2 million visitors a day; with a 1% clickthrough rate and a payoff of 10 cents per click, that's 2k$/day=$730,480/yr. Even after paying hosting costs, it's quite an impressive sum.

Sure, it could be legit. Then again, perhaps not. What it comes down to are that the people running these sites are just people, and they seem likely to do what's best for their own interests. And they certainly don't have too many scruples about breaking the law...

21st century existancialism (5, Funny)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770803)

So...if it's not on the internet, it must not exist right....right!?

I can be googled, therefore I am.

Re:21st century existancialism (2, Informative)

double-oh three (688874) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770926)

You must mean Existentialism [wikipedia.org]

Re:Does anyone bother checking facts? (1)

CanadaDave (544515) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770829)

mod up parent

Re:Does anyone bother checking facts? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11770867)

wow - LOCK THE THREAD...

Re:Does anyone bother checking facts? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11770923)

mod parent and self down

Slashdot hasn't the time to rationalize! (1)

Celestial Avenger (826964) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770864)

We must shoot first [slashdot.org] and ask questions later!

Loki was a front for the MPAA (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11770869)

I heard the loki torrent site was a front for the MPAA to defraud piraters out of money by convincing them to donate.

As the saying goes, I sleep with gay guys but the jokes on them because i'm not gay!

Re:Does anyone bother checking facts? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11770885)

Mod down parent! This is Slashdot - this is no place to be posting "facts"!

Re:Does anyone bother checking facts? (1, Interesting)

nuclear305 (674185) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770899)

I'd also like to add that I do think something if fishy with the Lokitorrent case--especially the fact that the site is still hosted on the original server rather than actually being taken over by the MPAA.

I also find it strange that the site up and closed about the same time that donation bar stopped moving.

In the days leading up to the closure of Lokitorrent, I noticed you had to click through some odd copyright infringement agreement. Not to mention searches for popular movies started resulting in generic messages like "At the request of MAJOR_STUDIO_HERE the search for SEARCH_TERM has been blocked"

Regardless, rather than spreading rampant rumors people should check their facts and stop relying on anonymous sources and he-said-she-said conjecture.

Re:Does anyone bother checking facts? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11770900)

Of course not, then it wouldnt be sensational.

I like the idea that he took the money an ran better anyway.

Re:Does anyone bother checking facts? (5, Insightful)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770921)

Who trusts a site named after the Norse god of TRICKS and MISCHIEF?

Re:Does anyone bother checking facts? (1, Insightful)

nnnneedles (216864) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770930)

Omg slashdot hoax article a hoax! Wait for tomorrows dupe hoax article hoax hoax!!!

Re:Does anyone bother checking facts? (1)

duffbeer703 (177751) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770938)

<blockquote>"If LokiTorrent.com had been sued in Dallas Federal Courts, then some type of public record would appear. NO ONLINE RECORD APPEARS WHATSOEVER!"</blockquote>

<p>Cases are routinely recorded in different federal courts to slow down the media's access to them. A case in Dallas could actually be filed in Austin or some other nearby Federal court<p>

Re:Does anyone bother checking facts? (5, Informative)

SlayerofGods (682938) | more than 9 years ago | (#11771021)

It does exist on line.
I'm looking at the docketing sheet right now.
3:04-cv-02642
Columbia Pictures Industries, Inc et al v. Edward Webber
Someone didn't check their facts.
I would provide linkage but you need an account to view it.
https://ecf.txnd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/login.pl [uscourts.gov]

Jocasta Nu said it best (1)

Augusto (12068) | more than 9 years ago | (#11771030)

> So...if it's not on the internet, it must not exist right....right!?

"If an item does not appear in our records, it does not exist." - Jocasta Nu, Attack of the Clones.

What do I call that? (1)

max born (739948) | more than 9 years ago | (#11771061)

I call it a news story in a Word document. I'd rather see a copy of the court order.

Freeloader's of the World unite, (-1)

victorhooi (830021) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770747)

First Comment - yay!...lol (unlesss somebody commments before I press enter) Seriously though, the irony is killing me...distributors of largely illegal content decide to stage an elaborate hit-and-run ruse on the freeloader community...*sigh*.... Yes, I know, bittorent is nice for distributing legal content (eg i use it for getting my half-yearly Whoppix dose)...but like it or not, Loki was more or less in the gray area if not the dark-antimatter side of the law.. bye, Victor

Re:Freeloader's of the World unite, (1)

Virtual Karma (862416) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770804)

Tough luck friend. You need to hit that submit button faster

Re:Freeloader's of the World unite, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11770889)

Or not at all, judging by the quality of his post.

Re:Freeloader's of the World unite, (1)

chachob (746500) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770976)

Yeah, but $10 says he'll get modded to at least +4

What did you expect? (5, Funny)

October_30th (531777) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770750)

"Intelligent people"? What else did you expect when you're dealing with people whose stated goal is defending against a blatant case of copyright infringement in court.

Where can I find these intelligent people? I have a bridge to sell to them...

Re:What did you expect? (1)

BosstonesOwn (794949) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770989)

So where is this bridge ? Can I put up a toll ? Can it connect to the pretty island I bought a couple weeks ago on low tide on the tsunami ravaged side of India ?

Maybe we should talk to my great grand dad's buddy mikumbo mitembi in Nigeria he may be able to help me buy this.

Define irony ! People stealing (maybe ,maybe not) material , being stolen from. Ohh the irony.

the question is (1, Interesting)

myukew (823565) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770759)

why has nobody noticed for such a long time?

OMG! (4, Funny)

RaboKrabekian (461040) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770762)

Purveyors of Bittorrents can be unscrupulous?! WTF!! Where's the honor amongst thie^^^^H content aggregators!?

of course he could cover his tracks (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11770765)

because in teh internet ur anonymus & supr leet.

This is disgusting (2, Insightful)

Virtual Karma (862416) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770768)

Its disgusting as to how some people make money by stealing from the very people who decided to help them out. I'm yet to do my research on the authenticity of this news bit.

I hear that. (4, Funny)

gandell (827178) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770870)

I mean, if I were paying a thief, I'd expect him to be honest with me.

Re:This is disgusting (3, Insightful)

anonicon (215837) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770906)

"Its disgusting as to how some people make money by stealing from the very people who decided to help them out. I'm yet to do my research on the authenticity of this news bit."

As you and many of your preceding posters are testament to, you will fly half way around the world with a lie or rumor before bothering to check to see if it's actually true.

It appears this rumor is false, but you /could/ take a moment to actually check it for yourself. [slashdot.org]

Re:This is disgusting (1)

pclminion (145572) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770912)

Imagine that, the owner of a site with the primary purpose of facilitating massive copyright infringement takes off with people's cash? Shocking!

Well actually it's just plain stupid (1)

argoff (142580) | more than 9 years ago | (#11771040)

How many people out there break their neck trying to get a site that is popular for people to use. This guy probably could have made a hella of a lot more than he just stole. In fact it amazes me how someone could just piss away such a good opportunity for a bad one. The only explanation I can think of is that he is some kind of self choosing looser, or maybe like one of those people who win the lottery and then blow it all and commit suicide. Fear of success? Major personal problems? Couldn't handle the responsibility? I don't know, I won't feel sorry for him though when his future opportunities dry up. There are plenty of struggeling people in the world who will gladly take his place. I'm sure whatever he gained is only temporary, he clearly cant think thru the consequences of his choices and will probably blow anything he took on useless short term persuits.

I wouldn'y be surprised (2, Funny)

Ossus_10 (844890) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770771)

I think its smart knowing that the MPAA or RIAA will come after you next and just cut your losses and quit there. I think its really decietful to claim you are being sued to raise money so you can live in the Carribbean. A mixture of knowledge and deciet. He sounds just like a corporation.

Re:I wouldnT* be surprised (1)

dauthur (828910) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770897)

What's the real "scare" here though? It's just a drop in the bucket for Torrent sites, and the only way they could turn themselves from a drop in the bucket to a nuclear blast was to make everyone believe that their world was going to end. I almost donated the last $5 I have in my PayPal, but I realized that the MPAA probably wouldn't really sue them. Call it intuition, but something told me that the MPAA wouldn't take action, seeing as how the MPAA can't catch absolutely everyone, namely a bunch of anonymous people running a Torrent site.

So it was a hoax? (1)

yosemite (6592) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770772)

Just goes to show, you can't cheat an honest man.

Thanks /. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11770781)

Your organization's Internet use policy restricts access to this web page at this time.
Reason: The Websense category "Adult Content" is filtered.
URL:http://earthreactor.com/index.php?n ame=Forums& file=viewtopic&p=2146

Gee, am I in trouble now...

Re:Thanks /. (1)

halivar (535827) | more than 9 years ago | (#11771051)

It's quite amazing that you were ever able to read /. at all.

Article Text (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11770782)

LOKI TORRENT LAWSUIT :: A HOAX
Written by: SharePro

At the end of December 2004, the RIAA and MPAA began an international rampage in efforts to close down major bit torrent and ed2k file sharing sites.

Some sites like Suprnova.org, Youceff.com, ShareTv.com, and others went down without a fight while other sites, including ShareConnector and Releases4U were closed down by authorities.

The lawsuits set off a wide spread of panic and dismay within the p2p community as many of the veteran ed2k and torrent contributing societys soon found themselves "homeless" and their works "confisquated" by investigative authorities.

During the turmoil, one such MPAA targeted Bit Torrent site claimed it was willing to stand up against the evil powers of motion picture media thugs by fighting the legal issues in a court of law. LokiTorrent.com began accepting donations from the p2p community to support what they called "necessary legal fee's".

According to a Slyck.com - January 3, 2005 (Slyck.com promoted people to donate to Loki Torrent), within two weeks (5 days public) of announcing their fund raising campaign, Loki Torrents was only $710.00 dollars away from reaching their initial goal. At the time of writing Slyck.com's initial article, Loki Torrent claimed to have raised an impressive $29,290.00 from the p2p community.

Today, just weeks after the initial Slyck.com interview with Edward Webber, owner of LokiTorrent.com, the entire p2p file share community is back in turmoil.

Quote:
A) Are the logs of Lokitorrent.com in the hands of the MPAA?
B) Where is the money that was donated to the legal fund?
C) Can P2P'rs who uploaded / downloaded torrents be tracked down via the logs.

The above and more were the initial questions most p2pr's had in mind when news broke that the MPAA had gained control of Loki Torrent.

As the writing of this article began to gain momentum, many inconsistencies began arising that clearly show that Lokitorrent is not in the hands of the MPAA (At least not because of a court order), nor we're the owners fined a million dollars.

1) LokiTorrent never provided the name or details of any lawyer representing the internet site. No federal judge's name has been listed anywhere throughout the so-called proceedings. Texas courts have no record of any filed judicial proceedings on behalf of the MPAA against Loki Torrent and/or Ed Webber.

2) During the same period of time that Loki was making tens of thousands of dollars monthly via donations, the owners of Loki Torrent were also actively trying to sell the domain. LokiTorrent.com for Sale :: Sedo.com

In effort to convince p2p'rs to continue donating and not to believe Loki's intent to sell, this is what the owner published in his defense:

Loki Torrent's Selling on Sedo.com :: Explanation
Quote:
If some guy offers me $75K for the domain name, he's more than welcome to it, and I'll simply move the site to a different domain. Selling the entire site will never happen. I have way too much of myself in this site to sell it for any price (well, 2 million could get me to part with it, lol.. but let's live in reality).

3) The only reports of this so-called "law suit" are based entirely on the front page of the LokiTorrent.com internet site. The MPAA and Texas Federal Court list no public record of a lawsuit nor is the MPAA or the courts willing to back up Lokitorrent claims of being ordered to hand over webserver ip logs and pay a 1 million dollar penalty. J. Borland of News.com (and other related news resources) apparently based their entire news articles by information received directly from Mr. Ed Webber (the owner of LokiTorrent.com). This information was received by calling Mr. Webber directly at telephone number (207) 752-3481.

4) Was LokiTorrent ever actually sued by the MPAA? According to the initial reports published via various websites, most people were led to have believed that the torrent site was "surrendered" to the MPAA.

According to a recent News.com article, Loki was alledgedly sued in Dallas, Texas federal court. Besides the testimony of the owner of Lokitorrent, no other information, public or private, can be found to establish the veracity of that statement.

A quick search to Texas Court Records DOES NOT reveal any court appearances or cases filed on behalf of the MPAA and/or Edward Webber, owner of Loki Torrent.

If LokiTorrent.com had been sued in Dallas Federal Courts, then some type of public record would appear. NO ONLINE RECORD APPEARS WHATSOEVER! ( Texas Court Search Engine )

5) While writing this report, a quick WHOIS for the ownership information of LokiTorrent.com reveals the following info:

Code:
Domain Name: lokitorrent.com IP: 216.32.85.114

Administrative Contact, Billing Contact, Technical Contact:
Webber, E admin@webbsense.com
WebbSense
PO Box 7662
Portland, ME 04112
US
Phone: +1.2077523481

Why would Edward Webber of LokiTorrent.com still appear as "owner" and "administrator" of Loki Torrent if in fact the MPAA had taken over the site?

Edward Webber is still in full control of Lokitorrent.com. As evidence, I submit the fact that Webbsense.com and Mufftorrent.com
(two additional domains that are registered to Edward Webber) are still ONLINE, and the ping traceroute traffic is directed to the same exact machine lokitorrent.com is hosted on (i.e. 216.32.85.114).

A fast ping / traceroute to the MPAA's official website reveals the hosting IP address MPAA.ORG (the official MPAA Site) to be 66.252.129.187 while the IP address of Lokitorrent.com is 216.32.85.114. In other words, the MPAA and LOKITORRENT are hosted at 2 different hosting locations several thousands of miles apart.

Loki Torrent is not hosted on the MPAA's network, thus the front page warning p2p'rs against file sharing currently posted at LOKITORRENT.COM is a HOAX. Lokitorrent.com is hosted in Washington DC at the ISP "SAWIS" while the MPAA is hosted just South of Glendale, California by Ware.Net

6) In there ongoing efforts to prevent file sharing, The RIAA / MPAA have become notorious for publishing the names and addresses of file shares and webmasters who they sue. The MPAA has not mentioned one single word in any public news release. Official MPAA Internet Site :: Press Releases

While writing this article, it soon became very apparent that besides Ed Webber's claim to have been sued by the MPAA, there is absolutely no public evidence to back up or substantiate his claims. No court records, no MPAA publicity news releases, no federal judge's name on court orders, etc. All we have to go on is Lokitorrent.com hosting a front page "scare tactic" website that Ed Webber hosts on his personal servers. Ed Webber is paying for the bandwidth on behalf of the MPAA? Nah, that doesn't even sound right. Ed Webber allowed the MPAA to re-design his website and then host LokiTorrent as if its a anti p2p site on his own servers? Nah, that doesnt even make sense.

The fact that Lokitorrent.com is still registered under the name Ed Webber and the fact that this and other torrent sites under his name are still hosted on his personal machines have convinced the best of us that this is nothing more than a dirty hoax and that nothing was confisquated or surrendered.

As one top Texas lawyer kindly put it "Dallas courts have no presidence in this case because Lokitorrent.com was never hosted on Texas ISP servers. The owner of Lokitorrent is not a resident of Texas, and the MPAA's main offices are not in Texas. The MPAA has no reason in the world to sue in Dallas, but even if they did have presidence and sued in Dallas, you can be sure that the due dilligence on a case like this would take years. No way in the world could the MPAA have won a court case of this magnitude in just one month"

Quote:
"It seems that the owner of LokiTorrent decided to take the donation money and run, and to cover his tracks, scare the hell out of the entire p2p community. The scare tactic was probably nothing but a decoy to convince intelligent people not to ask the right questions". - Anonymous Filesharer

Mod Parent Down - The story itself is a hoax (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11770892)

As a number have already pointed out. There is proof that the lawsuit was not a hoax, but this story is

There's no honor among thieves (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11770786)

Bit torrent sites are set up to help people steal other people's property (C'mon, like you go there to get Linux distros or other GPL'd stuff) making this scam kind of funny.

"Bast*rd took my money!" - Should have used that money to buy the stuff you downloaded to begin with.

Here's an idea (2, Funny)

Donoho (788900) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770790)

Find 'em. Beat the living shit out of 'em. Post torrent with play by play pics.

If done correctly, everyone that donated shoud feel they at least go their money's worth ^_^

Re:Here's an idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11770838)

And pray tell me what entitles you to watch and listen to free movies and music?

If you're going to pay someone, at least pay the original producers (yes, that means the holder of the copyright if you respect the law) of the art.

Why all this indignation? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11770797)

Why all this indignation?

Could someone please tell me why are you all acting so shocked every time a torrent gets shut down? Are you saying that music and movies should be traded freely? IF so, can you tell me where's the profit in that? No movies or music (worth of publishing, anyway) would be published if there wasn't any profit in it.

Link categorized as 'naughty' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11770799)

Hey, my office's web filter say the link is bad (sex, drugs, guns, violence or some such nonsence) any chance for a mirror or repost?

-Rick

Re:Link categorized as 'naughty' (2, Informative)

borawjm (747876) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770981)

link [mirrordot.org]

Doesn't make sense! (3, Interesting)

WizardRahl (840191) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770800)

If people have SO much money to donate why didn't they just buy the stuff instead of paying Lokitorrent so they could steal it.

Re:Doesn't make sense! (3, Insightful)

pavera (320634) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770873)

because you can't "buy" all episodes of all tv shows, that is the main thing my wife looks for on torrent sites, you can buy some really popular shows, but most you can't buy.... so how else are you supposed to get the content?

Re:Doesn't make sense! (1)

Reckless Visionary (323969) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770973)

you're supposed to "watch" the tv show on tv

Re:Doesn't make sense! (2)

duffbeer703 (177751) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770974)

VCR, Tivo...

Nobody said life was convenient. If my car is in the shop and I need to get somewhere, I can call a cab or take a bus. I cannot steal my neighbor's car.

Re:Doesn't make sense! (1)

obotics (592176) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770997)

Well, what makes you think you have a *right* to that content? If it is not available, then you can't get it. Is that necessarily such a bad thing?

Re:Doesn't make sense! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11771063)

My neighbor makes the best apple pie. Problem is she doesn't sell it and stopped giving it out. So the only way for me to get it is to break into her house and steal it.

The MPAA will be interested + 3 steps to profit! (5, Funny)

javaxman (705658) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770831)

Someone found a business model to get pirates to pay for content!!

Step 1) set up torrent site
Step 2) claim MPAA takedown
Step 3) collect money from torrent downloaders, then run away and PROFIT !!!

The process probably can't be repeated too many times, though... do you figure they made more money than they would have through advertisements ? I'm guessing they did...

Anyone got a copy? (4, Funny)

thebra (707939) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770834)

The site is blocked for "sexuality" by websense. Thanks

Re:Anyone got a copy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11770877)

"The site is blocked for "sexuality" by websense. Thanks"

Well it does have anna kournakova doing it with lindsey lohan.

yummy.

Re:Anyone got a copy? (1)

jdludlow (316515) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770988)

It was posted here. [slashdot.org]

umm? why believe this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11770841)

?

Seems to me like the earthreactor website is hungry for hits (and is also cheap when it comes to servers).

I'd rather find out this info from the MPAA, not some lame editor.

LokiTorrent users pwned... (2, Funny)

Lovepump (58591) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770846)

OK, so many, many LokiTorrent users coughed up cash to the owner of the site. I've no problem with that, and the owner of the site looks to have come out of it for something like 30K.

Seems fair enough to me.

slashdoted (1)

remember_to_log-off (862450) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770847)

the sites dead already!

Re:slashdoted (1)

CK2004PA (827615) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770874)

Where did theregister.co.uk get this comment from MPAA ?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/02/10/loki_down_ mpaa/

Lokitorrent + PayPal + Illegal Downloads + Hoax (4, Funny)

loggia (309962) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770857)

Can we add a Nigerian email to this story, please?

Re:Lokitorrent + PayPal + Illegal Downloads + Hoax (2, Funny)

Phil246 (803464) | more than 9 years ago | (#11771018)

ok :)
i would have put it all in caps to increase authenticity but slashdot doesnt seem to like it :/

hello friend,
i have recently come into possession of THIRTY THOUSAND DOLLARS, unfortunately due to legal costs from the evil empire of the MPAA i require your help.
I am willing to pay you 33% of the balance, TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS in thanks for letting me tranfer this balance out of texas through your bank account.
I require your bank details and all the information you can give me about yourself as a reply.
Many thanks for helping me
your friendly nigerian email con artist

hows that? :)

hurting.. (1)

dance2die (596340) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770858)

I am sure that this kind of fraudulent act could also hurt Open Source community who get donations...

slashdot gets pwned again... (5, Informative)

bani (467531) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770859)

quoting from this mpaa press release [mpaa.org] :

"The MPAA's efforts to date have resulted in a 40 percent reduction in the number of servers that continue to operate. One such site that will no longer exist is LokiTorrent -- one of the largest BitTorrent host servers. The operator of that site, Edward Webber, agreed to not only pay a substantial settlement with even greater financial penalties for any further such actions, but by Court Order must provide the MPAA with access to and copies of all logs and server data related to his illegal BitTorrent activities, which will provide a roadmap to others who have used LokiTorrent to engage in illegal activities."

took all of like 3 seconds to find this.

in keeping with the usual /. tradition of journalistic excellence, we'll probably see this same "story" reposted several times in the next few days.

Re:slashdot gets pwned again... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11770971)

According to that statement, Webber still owns the website but has given MPAA (by court order) permission to view its logs. Its most likely that the MPAA is currently combing through the site checking logs, and so it is temporarily closed.

If so, this whole earthreactor story is misleading...

So does this mean our user data is safe (1)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770861)

I have on often used lokitorrent in the past to get some TV shows that i enjoy(I'm living in Germany )
and are not available or are dubs only on German TV ,So this doesn't really effect me.
however i have spoken to many users who were far more worried about the fact that they could be taken to court soon.
If this was all a hoax then i know a lot of people who will be in equal measures overjoyed and enraged

SUCKERS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11770872)



I suggest thinking twice before giving your money away to any website.

OWNED! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11770888)

Suckas!

Hmmmm... Loki..... (4, Funny)

PHAEDRU5 (213667) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770911)

Norse god of, among other things, practical jokes.

Hmmmmmm....

phishing for Geeks... (1)

werelord (562191) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770934)

How to phish geeks:

1) become an illegal distributer of content
2) get sued by the industry that the target(s) hate (or at least despise)
3) Collect donations for your legal defense
4) run like hell..

In a way, it does kinda seem like a prince of (insert third-world country) trying to smuggle cash thru your bank account etc etc...

On Lokitorrent's side they did have other revenue (4, Interesting)

infonography (566403) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770961)

One thing they did was to tie in prizes to donations.

Donate X amount or more and win some prize. It was innovative and I may use it in the future myself. As to the hoax? I got nothing.

Hahaha (-1, Flamebait)

hypergreatthing (254983) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770977)

You suckers got P0wned! Who the hell would donate money to a warez site? Whoever did is a complete sucker.

In South Korea (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11771020)

In south korea only old people donate money to torrent trackers

simple idea (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11770979)

Why don't people who start these sites in the first place register them as a corporation. That way when the RIAA et al. come knocking on your door you can just let the company take the fall.

Limited liability people.

REMEMBER FOLKS! It's not slander if... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11770994)

...it's in the form of a question.

What a crock of shit. To think /. editors would be complicit in the execution of a Fox News tactic.

You can say anything you want without fear of reprisal as long as it's in the form of a question. You people don't fact check a goddamn thing, and just publish away. Never mind that the author of the original "article" is in bed with the MPAA.

The countersuit was a hoax, but... (4, Informative)

Stop Or I'll Noop (670846) | more than 9 years ago | (#11770999)

The article makes numerous references to the MPAA never even bothering Loki or mentioning Loki in their press releases. Well, what does this press release say? http://www.mpaa.org/CurrentReleases/2005_02_10_Bit TorrentLokitorrent.doc [mpaa.org]
The MPAA's efforts to date have resulted in a 40 percent reduction in the number of servers that continue to operate. One such site that will no longer exist is LokiTorrent--one of the largest BitTorrent host servers. The operator of that site, Edward Webber, agreed to not only pay a substantial settlement with even greater financial penalties for any further such actions, but by Court Order must provide the MPAA with access to and copies of all logs and server data related to his illegal BitTorrent activities, which will provide a roadmap to others who have used LokiTorrent to engage in illegal activities.
So unless the MPAA is also in on this hoax (which wouldn't really surprise me), there are some issues with this story.

hmm (1)

cangeceiro (712846) | more than 9 years ago | (#11771006)

ya know i thought something seemed wierd when this first happened. cause none of the other torrent sites where over ran with mpaa/riaa propaganda after they closed down

Nothing new here. See ShareReactor (1)

Uzito (771420) | more than 9 years ago | (#11771019)

As I remember, the same thing was pulled by ShareReactor owner. The guy asked for donations for a new server equipment, received thousands in donations, then announced being arrested, etc...

Slashdot sued for fraud and slander (4, Insightful)

cyberlotnet (182742) | more than 9 years ago | (#11771022)

http://www.mpaa.org/CurrentReleases/2005_02_10_Bit TorrentLokitorrent.doc

To link to a article about someones opinion is one thing but to support and spread lies and slander is just plain wrong

Saturday Night Live. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11771045)

In the spirit of point / counter point.

Jane, you ignorant slut!

Taco, you ignorant twat! If you would stop playing with your imaginary friend's [Cowboy Neal] willy long enough to open your eyes, you'd see in an instant that you are the one that was hoaxed.

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