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The 2005 Wired Rave Awards

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the an-iron-giant-of-a-man dept.

Announcements 151

smack-pot writes "March 2005 issue of Wired Magazine features The 2005 Wired Rave Awards announcements. The 15 categories include Films, Business, Science, Architecture, Medicine, Games etc. Some of the winners are Brad Bird for The Incredibles, Danger Mouse for The Grey Album, Burt Rutan for SpaceShipOne, and Pete Parsons for Halo 2."

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almost. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11779019)

haha.

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11779022)

w00t

first (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11779026)

first

Rave Awards? (5, Funny)

Leroy_Brown242 (683141) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779034)

This years "Best use of glow sticks" award goes too . . .

Oh, not that sort of rave?

"Best use of glow sticks" award goes too . . . (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11779198)

Ron Popeil for Ron Popeil's Pocket Proctology Polyp Fisherman.

u fecking bitch (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11779037)

hi fp

how about George W. Bush (-1, Flamebait)

victorvodka (597971) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779043)

For managing to maintain his medievality in the postmodern age. Here's a man who snorted so much coke that he still sees multiple whenever he gazes upon Al Gore's greatest achievement.

Jon Stewart (5, Insightful)

fraudrogic (562826) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779048)

I don't know. iFilms is great and all, but I think Jon Stewart should have won for Television. He did something (and continues to) that no one else on major television stations would dare do, and that is be brutally honest and be intelligent about it. When it comes to those qualities, he's my hero. Oh and the humor aspect is pretty good too.

Re:Jon Stewart (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11779221)

on behalf of the other 94% of the globes population
who is Jon Stewart ?

Re:Jon Stewart (2, Informative)

PopeAlien (164869) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779354)

for them that know not:

Jon Stewart is the host of a satyrical news show called 'the Daily Show' that plays on comedy central. some clips can be viewed on thier greatest moments webpage [comedycentral.com]

he also gained some fame as a guest on 'Crossfire' were he tore the pants off of and humiliated co-host Tucker Carlson [ifilm.com]

Re:Jon Stewart (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11779364)

thanks

Re:Jon Stewart (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11779530)

"Tore the pants off" being a figure of speech, of course. I think the other co-host was also somewhat embarrassed, though not nearly as much as Carlson.

Re:Jon Stewart (3, Insightful)

Illserve (56215) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779663)

You know, the sad part is, I don't think he was embarassed.

I think he thought he tore Jon a new one.

I think he thought that this "comedian" was out of his league on a real hard-hitting news show.

At the end Jon just bites his tongue. It's like letting a child think they've beaten you because it would do no good to tell them otherwise.

Re:Jon Stewart (3, Insightful)

Deadstick (535032) | more than 9 years ago | (#11780967)

Carlson's confidence may have suffered somewhat when CNN fired him and killed the show...

rj

Re:Jon Stewart (1, Interesting)

That's Unpossible! (722232) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779228)

Jon Stewart is brutally honest about the media.

Jon Stewart is NOT brutally honest about politics. He would be funnier if he made fun of all sides equally, but he is definitely biased towards the left and has admitted as much.

The show is still hilarious, but only people that are biased towards the left think that Jon Stewart is brutally honest, politically...

Re:Jon Stewart (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11779330)


--
I hate Republicrats and Democans.

That'd sound better if it was "Republicrats and Demoblicans"

Yes, I know its not an exact letter swap.

Re:Jon Stewart (0)

Illserve (56215) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779362)

He is biased towards the left because the right is in power, therefore they give him more material. There's precious little to ridicule the democrats about at the moment. We all know they're hopelessly bad at politics, but there aren't any specific foibles to poke fun.

But if Kerry had won, you can be sure Stewart would be tearing him apart as well.

He's even said as much if you've ever seen the amazing appearance of Stewart on that political talk show with the bowtie guy(CNN I think?)

Re:Jon Stewart (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11780455)

He is biased towards the left because the right is in power, therefore they give him more material. There's precious little to ridicule the democrats about at the moment.

Right, that's why nobody ridiculed the Republicans in 1990 and 1991.

Oh wait.

Never mind.

Re:Jon Stewart (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11779527)

Have you ever even watched the Daily Show? Virtually every episode since the elections has slipped in at least one joke about democrats sucking it up in the election, including making fun of Kerry directly and the party in general. Beyond that, what can he make fun of them for? They don't control enough to actually do anything stupid..

Re:Jon Stewart (1)

TheWickedKingJeremy (578077) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779654)

* Jon Stewart is NOT brutally honest about politics"
* He would be funnier if he made fun of all sides equally, but he is definitely biased towards the left and has admitted as much


Do these two statements necessarily contradict each other?

Re:Jon Stewart (4, Insightful)

RatBastard (949) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779686)

but he is definitely biased towards the left and has admitted as much.

Explain to me how admitting to being biased makes him less honest politically? I'm really trying to make that work but it just doesn't wash. Not being "brutally honest about politics" would be him not admitting his bias. I've watched a lot of his show and he has never hidden his bias nor has he pretended to not be biased, like many cammentators/journalists/pundits who are biased towards the right.

I don't know what word you want, but I don't think "honest" is it.

Re:Jon Stewart (1)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 9 years ago | (#11780636)

admitting to being biased makes him less honest politically? I'm really trying to make that work but it just doesn't wash.

I think he's just following the party line and accusing "liberal media" of being "biased" and "dishonest".

Re:Jon Stewart (1)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 9 years ago | (#11780508)


Jon Stewart is NOT brutally honest about politics. He would be funnier if he made fun of all sides equally, but he is definitely biased towards the left and has admitted as much.


You think he'd be MORE honest if he PRETENDED not to favour the left? If he acted in a way that hid his true feelings?

He'd be more honest if he'd lie?
War is peace. Freedom is slavery?

Re:Jon Stewart (1)

_ph1ux_ (216706) | more than 9 years ago | (#11781040)

Yes he is funny, however when he does his show and then interviews farking *actors* about the movies they are coming out with, falling into the same old routine garbage that other "talk shows" or even variety talk shows have - makes me see that he is still a media tool.

now, that said, last nights episode with christina ricci was fantastic. he called her "retarded" to her face and she didnt even notice.

anyway - you can still seet that he isnt lifting the veil, only peeking under one corner.

Re:Jon Stewart (4, Insightful)

PopeAlien (164869) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779264)

Uh yeah.. especially since it was Jon Stewart that helped boost iFilms page views. Jon Stewart creates tv content, iFilms simply distributes clips of it.. It seems a strange choice for winner of the 'television' category.

Re:Jon Stewart (1)

Otter (3800) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779317)

I understand why a lot of people like him, but -- cynicism is so cheap and we already have plenty. I just can't find it nearly as clever or daring as other people seem to.

Exhibit 2: Danger Mouse

WTF? The guy is the DJ equivalent of a Score: 1 Slashdot comment in an RIAA rantfest and he's the future of music? Jimmy Buffett's 82nd album was a bigger step forward for music in 2004.

Re:Jon Stewart (2, Insightful)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779982)

[Dangermouse] is the DJ equivalent of a Score: 1 Slashdot comment in an RIAA rantfest and he's the future of music?

I'm guessing you haven't actually heard the Grey Album, or if you have you didn't like it for valid subjective reasons.

But objectively, the album is a significant accomplishment. Not only is it the latest in a line of legitimate and coherent works of art built entirely on borrowed source materials, but it also brought an entire sub-genre of hip-hop -- eg, mash-up -- into mainstream consciousness.

It changed the way I think about music, just a little, and I can't be the only listener that it had that effect on.

Re:Jon Stewart (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11780511)

Not only is it the latest in a line of legitimate and coherent works of art built entirely on borrowed source materials

In other words, not only are the source materials nothing new, but the idea of using old source materials is nothing new. ...but it also brought an entire sub-genre of hip-hop -- eg, mash-up -- into mainstream consciousness.

Then what the fuck did Jam Master J do in the 80s? Oh wait... You are calling it "mash-up" so it sounds like a new thing. Wow, we need to enshrine this bozo right along with Muddy Waters and Louis Armstrong then. Quick, somebody get that man a trophy!

Re:Jon Stewart (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11781009)

You say he brought "mash-up" into mainstream consiousness, but I just walked all over Best Buy and could not find a single album of his.

Sure, I can get it from the Internet if I look hard enough, but that's also true of "Marshall Got Snookered" by Freelance Hairdresser, which came out first and was far more entertaining. That's hardly what I would call "Mainstream."

In fact, outside of geeks who read Slashdot, FARK, and/or Wired, few have any clue what mash-ups are, let alone who Dangermouse is.

Personally, I first think of the old cartoon every time somebody mentions him, only to say, "oh... their talking about that no-talent DJ guy."

Grey (1)

soupdevil (587476) | more than 9 years ago | (#11781014)

OK, so it's significant conceptually. As actual music I found it to be quite disappointing. There are much better examples of mash music to be found.

Re:Jon Stewart (1)

Belgand (14099) | more than 9 years ago | (#11781332)

I've got to agree and not only because I dislike rap and found the actual music to be relatively poor. Rather than create something actually new and original he merely reused other people's work to create a collage of sorts. At least Beatallica (Beatles songs transposed into Metallica songs) actually writes and performs their work.

I feel that he instead garnered a great deal of attention for being the underdog in a legal contest about the rights to the music. Regardless of the quality he was going to be glorified for creating a work of art that may have violated copyright and coming under legal pressure for it.

Re:Jon Stewart (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11779400)

the.daily.show.02.24.05.dsr-loki.[BT].avi

Sponsored by: Nobody

Re:Jon Stewart (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11779487)

hey I would pay up to $1 for the show download without the ads if I could! but i can't. one day they will get their act together and meet the demand.

Re:Jon Stewart (2, Funny)

generic-man (33649) | more than 9 years ago | (#11780390)

As media personalities go, Jon Stewart holds about as much weight as a lifelong Usenet poster. He's self-deprecating, sarcastic, and likes to call people names when they mock him. Yet after all is said and done, people wish they could be like him.

Re:Jon Stewart (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 9 years ago | (#11780499)

Being "brutally honest and intelligent" is (a) highly inappropriate for a satirist and (b) not designed to make you popular with the people who hand out awards!

Re:Jon Stewart (2, Insightful)

geoffspear (692508) | more than 9 years ago | (#11780878)

Being "brutally honest and intelligent" is (a) highly inappropriate for a satirist

Uhh... yeah.

It's a good thing Swift and Voltaire were neither honest nor intelligent, then.

Action Animation Movies? (3, Informative)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779078)

Inability to put characters in jeopardy?

(resisting the joke about rendering Alex Trebek) I think anyone who says that is nuts, as nuts as the producers who need star-power to keep them warm at night. Bird just did the job right. There were some pretty insightful comments back in the Discworld movie topic, regarding writing a movie you can make. I become more a cynic when I read people's opinions that such and such can't be done. It's an illusion, dumbasses. Bird's gifted enough to take the intelligent approach. To see the wrong approach taken again, watch Tom Cruise in Spielberg's WoW. Or see a class act, the Pendragon version late March. Bug your theater to carry it! Hopefully it'll live up to expectations and make Wired's list next year.

Re:Action Animation Movies? (2, Insightful)

astrokid (779104) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779241)

I agree with most of your points, however, I wouldn't bash Spielberg's adaptation of War of the Worlds just yet.

Atleast wait to see it before you do.

I'm very happy for Brad Bird, I really don't think The Iron Giant got as much recognition as it should have. It's definately one of the better efforts put forth from an American Animation studio in a very long time.

Two Things... (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779482)

however, I wouldn't bash Spielberg's adaptation of War of the Worlds just yet.

Atleast wait to see it before you do.

1) I'll bash it anyway, as it's about the martians, about the firey orange explosions, the goodlooking actor and his disfunctional movie family brought together very formulaically by the upheaval, etc. It'll probably be lots of eye-candy CGI, but that's probably where my enjoyment of it will end.

2) From an early age it was always a dream, if I won a fat lottery pot I'd do a film true to the original H.G. Wells story. Pendragon has done that and I look forward to it with baited (and popcorn-scented) breath. The story isn't about martians and incredible weapons they have, but of the world's superpower (Victorian England) struck at it's heart by a vastly superior force and the impact it has on the survivors. The hope of watching the iron-clad Thunderchild take on the invaders, the discussion with the man on putney hill, the encounter and eventual confict with the curate. That's what it's about. I read it in 2 nights as a 13 year old and it jarred me and I've often come back to read the tale.

You may recall Independence Day was originally styled and planned to be titled as a remake of War of the Worlds. Awful.

Re:Two Things... (1)

RatBastard (949) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779721)

Have you heard Jeff Wayne's War Of The World album? Pretty interesting in a pompous, 1970's way.

wow (3, Interesting)

rd4tech (711615) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779115)

"Burt Rutan for launching the private space age"
I for one, welcome...

"Mark Fletcher for making bloglines the Internet's news network (RSS Reader)"
Neat, now more people can autocreate blogs targeted for adsense...

"Robert Lanza -for eye-opening work on embryonic stem cells"
See your future, it's right here ...

"Steven Squyres for keeping Spirit and Opportunity roving"
Where is the rest of Nasa on this one??? But that's humanity, always picking up one who holds the stick

The rest... boring, BTW there are also bunch of research in DNA, materials, and compsci which are changing the world arroung us constantly, why not mentioning anything of those fields?

It's a travesty that they left out... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11779116)

...whoever at Wired who thought they could milk 15 fucking page views out of me.

Pete Parsons? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11779120)

Who is this Pete Parsons fellow, and why are they giving him all the credit for Halo 2?

As a longtime Bungie fan, my understanding is that Jason Jones is the man behind the curtain.

grey album (5, Informative)

tsunamifirestorm (729508) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779132)

for those who don't know, the grey album is a remix record using beats from the beatle's white album with vocals from jay-z's black album it's available at http://www.bannedmusic.org/ [bannedmusic.org] and is hosted by http://www.downhillbattle.org/ [downhillbattle.org]. DJ Dangermouse was the DJ who made this mix.

Re:grey album (1)

Jakhel (808204) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779216)

There are literally hundreds of remixes to jay-z's black album, including (and I couldn't make this up if I tried, they are all real) the pink album, the blue album, the purple album, the blacker album, the yellow album, the red album, etc. Imagine hundreds of dj's across the globe, taking the vocals to 1 album, then putting their own beats over them and naming the album the (insert color here) album and there you go. Alot of them suck, but some of them are pretty good, especially the grey album.

Re:grey album (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11779825)

It also sucks.

Re:grey album (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11780236)

Truer words have never been said!

Re:grey album (1)

theblueprint (749157) | more than 9 years ago | (#11780337)

I realize that a lot of /.ers are not big fans of hip-hop. Still, JayZ/Rocafella never tried to stop DM from distributing the album (to my knowlege). It's a common practice for major-label hip-hop artists to release mixtapes and other free content to their fans. 50Cent made his name from mixtapes, and many others have realized that these free albums are great marketing tools. Yes, a lot of people here hate hip-hop, but they've got to respect the copyright holder's generosity...and the fact that they encourage some of their works to be freely distributed.

Re:grey album (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11780620)

Wow. Thank you, hip-hop artists, for freely sharing your spoken-word poetry so people can play it on top of other, better, recordings. The world is a much more wonderful place to live in because of your contribution.

Putting Hip-hop lyrics on top of the White Album is like spray-painting over the Last Supper. Yes, you are technically "adding" to it, but only in quantity, not in value.

Re:grey album (2, Informative)

Metapsyborg (754855) | more than 9 years ago | (#11780782)

I realize that a lot of /.ers are not big fans of hip-hop. Still, JayZ/Rocafella never tried to stop DM from distributing the album (to my knowlege). It's a common practice for major-label hip-hop artists to release mixtapes and other free content to their fans. 50Cent made his name from mixtapes, and many others have realized that these free albums are great marketing tools. Yes, a lot of people here hate hip-hop, but they've got to respect the copyright holder's generosity...and the fact that they encourage some of their works to be freely distributed.

I don't have a problem with a Dj winning an award like this; I do have a problem with a Dj winning an award for mixing together 2 over-hyped albums. Someone else mentioned the X-ecutioners; sure they use samples, but they practically create their own beats out of these samples. Their premise is a "band" where each instrument is a Dj with a turntable. They use the scratches to create beats.

Dangermouse just rode Jayz's overhyped "hip-hop" to success. An outfit like the x-ecutioners is more deserving of an award than this guy. Heck, I can think of a dozen dj/producers more original, people like blocktop, rjd2, buck 65, Mr. Dibbs, etc. Dangermouse doesn't deserve jack for doin' something that could easily be replicated with a computer and some wavs.

Re:grey album (1)

theblueprint (749157) | more than 9 years ago | (#11781420)

Actually, DM did take an "X-Ecutioners" style approach to the album. I can't discern which songs from the White Album comprised the beats, aside from the mash-up of "What More Can I Say?". Admittedly, I'm not much of a Beatles/Rock fan, but I did buy the White Album to compare to DM's creation. Perhaps a hard-core Beatles fan would recognize the samples? Besides, this is a Wired award, not a Grammy. I think that the distribution method had more to do with the award than the album's artistic merit.

Re:grey album (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11780479)

So the guy didn't make the vocals or the music? He just mixed some already-famous stuff together? That's like giving the Best Artist (in general, not just best Hip-Hop artist) award to The X-Ecutioners.

It's not like Beatles mash-ups haven't been done before, anyway. Did I also mention that mash-ups suck?

suspect statement (5, Interesting)

Savatte (111615) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779142)

"Until The Incredibles, the conventional wisdom was that animators can't do action," Bird says.

umm..anime?

Re:suspect statement (1)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779210)

I swear Animes are not suitable for most audiences. The last GREAT Anime I watched, that makes sense for Americans, was BattleAngel and Ninja Scroll. Everything else since has been dragged out episodes.

Re:suspect statement (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779300)

Sure, but that says nothing about whether or not animators can do action.

While I'm posting, is it me or is The Incredibles incredibly overrated, compared to Shrek 1/2 and Toy Story 1/2?

it's you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11779405)

given the choice, I'd prefer the incredbiles by a small margin. they're all good films

Re:suspect statement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11779441)

> While I'm posting, is it me or is The Incredibles incredibly overrated, compared to Shrek 1/2 and Toy Story 1/2?

It's you.

Re:suspect statement (1)

dmauro (742353) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779655)

I think it's you. I went into the Incredibles expecting another Pixar movie. What I got was an intelligent, witty, funny, sincere, and very incredible movie. It went above and beyond and was one of my favorite movies of the year. Judging by critical acclaim, I would guess that most people are with me on this one.

Re:suspect statement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11779750)

Nah, you're just easy to please. Toss you a few computer graphics, a few easy jokes, and you'll lap it up. What was intelligent, witty and funny about The Incredibles? I saw the movie, didn't laugh once, walked out of the theater and had already forgotten all of it.

In my opinion, it was formulaic, predictable, tame and forgettable.

Re:suspect statement (2)

bitrott (232312) | more than 9 years ago | (#11781343)

It's alittle something called 'wit'. The wit in that movie is in every scene, every idea, every reference, almost every line. No joke was easy, they were earned. Compare that to the Shrek movies: crappy, unfunny pop-culture references, lame visual gags, bathroom humor.

The incredibles was touching, often hilarious, ALWAYS mindblowing. Also, I'd hardly call him easily amused... obviously HE was watching the movie with his brain turned on, as evidenced by the many things made-fans walked away appreciating.

Re:suspect statement (1)

Golias (176380) | more than 9 years ago | (#11780689)

is it me or is The Incredibles incredibly overrated, compared to Shrek 1/2 and Toy Story 1/2?

It's you.

The Incredibles was an amazing movie, while the other four films you mentioned were merely darn good cartoons.

Speaking of Animated action, the combat and flight sequences in "Last Exile" are second to none, IMHO.

Re:suspect statement (3, Insightful)

bitrott (232312) | more than 9 years ago | (#11781393)

How can you even put Shrek in the same category as Toy Story? Because of the graphics? PLEASE, people. Toy Story and The Incredibles are amazing movies because they're good stories told well because BRAIN came before cheap pop-culture references and lame, embarassingly lame visual gags.

I've always maintained that Shrek doesn't even rate as a fine example of what animation is capable of, when 99% of the gags won't make sense to anyone in 5 years time.

Re:suspect statement (mod parent down) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11779490)

you make a good point but...

anime sucks...

i'm sorry to break the news to you, now put away your cheetoes and tell your mom to iron your best shirt cause its time to get a job. your mom is tired of explaining the odd smell coming out of the basement to her friends that come over.

Re:suspect statement (1)

Phoex (412808) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779645)

Anime is considered by most of the world, and Hollywood in particular as nonconventional, and thus not to be taken into consideration.
That reputation is changing of course, but it's still seen as fairly marginal.

Re:suspect statement (2, Insightful)

Golias (176380) | more than 9 years ago | (#11780908)

Anime is considered by most of the world, and Hollywood in particular as nonconventional, and thus not to be taken into consideration.

It's too bad, because the fact that it's "nonconvetional" is the best thing about it.

There will probably never be a TV show in the US quite like "Haibane Renmei."

"Azumanga Diaoh" is the best comic fiction about kids since "Peanuts" was in its prime, with the possible exception of "Calvin & Hobbes."

"Last Exile" is exactly what Lucas probably wishes his Prequel trilogy could be, if he were only a better writer/director.

Re:suspect statement (1)

Zangief (461457) | more than 9 years ago | (#11780953)

The problem is that Anime is not American, so it doesn't count as animation for Americans. They are very nationalistic in this kind of thing.

Re:suspect statement (1)

abigor (540274) | more than 9 years ago | (#11780023)

Anime has some great storylines, mindblowing ideas, and awesome still artwork. But for North American audiences, the animation just doesn't cut it. The framerates are way too low.

Also, they suffer from goofy, cliched characters, but I guess that's a cultural foible - kind of like the cringe-inducing "humour".

Re:suspect statement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11780653)

Yeah, that's why everybody hated the animated sequence in Kill Bill.

By the way, the behind that sequence teamed up with the guy who directed "Cowboy Bebop" to make a new series, called "Samurai Champloo" which is just now getting released in the US on DVD, and is vastly better than anything on American TV right now. I strongly reccomend it.

Sealab 2021 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11780256)

Chinese guy: "I'm sorry I... I don't understand."
NORA guy: "Oddly enough, persons of Asian status do not qualify under Article 4."
C.G.: "Yes... but why not?"
NORA: "Well, for starters, anime."

Re:suspect statement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11780684)

I would have gone with Team America.

*Until Team America, the conventional wisdom was that marionettes can't do over-the-top, cheesy satire.*

Not to mention the homo and gangsta erotic scenes.

Re:suspect statement (1)

bitrott (232312) | more than 9 years ago | (#11781230)

... and with a plot you can actually follow without needing to be a 5th level zen master? Characters that don't feel the need to scream constantly or act embarassingly? Action that is fluid (frame rate) REALLY kinetic, and imaginative? And wittier than Woody Allen to boot?

You won't find these all in 99% of anime, and not all in the same movie at once.

winners (3, Informative)

Fox_1 (128616) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779196)

The Rave Awards

Film: Brad Bird [wired.com] : Business: Shigeyuki Hori [wired.com]

Science: Steven Squyres [wired.com] : Medicine: Robert Lanza [wired.com]

Architecture: Rem Koolhaas [wired.com] : Music: Danger Mouse [wired.com]

Television: Blair Harrison [wired.com] : Blogs: Kevin Sites [wired.com]

Books: Jeff Hawkins [wired.com] : Industrial Design: Burt Rutan [wired.com]

Technology: Mark Fletcher [wired.com] : Art: Jennifer Kevin Mccoy [wired.com]

Games: Pete Parsons [wired.com]

But....... (1)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779233)

Halo was released in 2004?
Will it never end? Pretty soon were going to have slashdot stories, about the slashdot stories on Halo 2.
I await the flames, safe in the knowladge that I finished it on legendary and it still doesn't make my top ten. But maybe top 15? Geddit?

Halo 2? (1, Troll)

sahrss (565657) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779247)

This may be a dupe post by the time I write it, but why would Halo 2 get an award? It seemed to me and most of the people I've talked to that it's just a slight improvement on Halo...and there was nothing revolutionary about the gameplay.

Unless they're just focusing on the financial success:
"Halo 2 made $125 million on its first day of release. By contrast, the biggest opening weekend in film history was Spider-Man, which netted a mere $114 million over three days."

The list reads like a whos who of nobodys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11779266)


i have no idea who any of those people are (and i visit here regular) the only one i recognise is Burt Rutan, but who are the others ?
fame/success is all relative i guess as any Bollywood star will tell you, you can be a household name in 1 country while in others you are nobody

Is Danger Mouse that important? (4, Insightful)

sielwolf (246764) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779274)

I guess it's basic 15-second mainstream digestible keystone of mash-up'dom.

Of course this is old as hip-hop itself. Dancehall exists on the idea of a riddim becoming popular itself and multiple deejays rap/sing over it. Now hip-hop, R&B and Reggeton artists get in on it. An example from '04: Pitbull "Culo", Mr Vegas "Pull Up", Nina Sky "Move Ya Body" and many others [unitysounds.com] all used the Coolie Dance Riddim.

The pop culture clash of using a very recognizable outer-genre instrumental (the "mash-up") got big in clubs two years ago (making this Wire award a bit like John Wayne's Oscar). A popular one was Whitney Houston ("I want to dance with somebody") over Kraftwerk ("Numbers") forming ala Voltron to Girls on Top's "I Want to Dance with some Numbers" [overstated.net]. Nigh unreleasable due to copyright considerations but interesting none the less.

Of course now MTV is in the Official Mash-up business by creating things that aren't Mash-ups at all (that Jay-Z and Linkin Park thing is, due to original parts by both artists, a collaboration).

I still think Chopped and Screwed [screweduprecords.com] is going to hit the mainstream consciousness soon as T.I.'s disc just got the treatment and it sold amazingly. And kids are chop n' screwing all sorts of tracks now. Many on laptops and then distributed into the public conscious via P2P (so Wired could give it an award and be a bit ahead the bellcurve). Of course this is a decade old style too.

Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? (2, Insightful)

Jakhel (808204) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779427)

NOW they get in on it? What do you think remixes are? In fact, what do you call band and orchestra "arrangments"? This concept is nothing new, it's just being applied to a more modern form of music.

Also, riddims only involve using the same beat with different lyrics. More originality is required to do this.

As far as mashing up is concerned, it's essentially (this may be a little off topic but I threw it in anyways so fuckit) the same as playing a song with a different instrument than it was originally performed on. Like a flute or guitar player playing the lead in Take 5 instead of a trumpet (or saxophone, i forget) player.

Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11781214)

The fact that you know so much about the history of hip-hop, yet can't remember that the Dave Brubeck Quartet had a saxophone in it, makes me weep just a little bit for the history of Western Civilization.

Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? (1)

piltdownman84 (853358) | more than 9 years ago | (#11781043)

What I think makes Danger Mouse so important is the fact that his album was never* released in the conventional channel, but still was in many critics best albums of the year lists. Its a pretty impressive feat to have an album that sold no* copies, and had no conventional advertisement was able to complete in the critics ratings. Pure word of mouth, and still look how huge the Grey Album became.

That and the album itself is great, far better then the original Jay-Z album. I agree that there are better "mash-ups", but for people like myself who love classic rock (Like the Beatles) and a little current pop-hip-hop (Like Jay-Z) this album is really great,

*Yes I know that something like 600 preview copies were pressed and distributed before the Beatles shut the it down, but thats not really a release.

Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11781275)

but still was in many critics best albums of the year lists.

Name three.

Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? (1)

sielwolf (246764) | more than 9 years ago | (#11781340)

I guess my issue was that re-producing The Black Album was something of a hip-hop production fad at the time.

The motivation was part tepid reception to the beats on The Black Album but also to MF Doom rebuilding Nas' Nastrodomus (making Nastradoomus. Clever, eh?) and 9th Wonder redoing Nas' God's Son (God's Stepson). As Doom was big in the underground and the publicity of the Jay-Z/Nas feud, there was interest in the community to provide the counterpart to this Nas work.

Of course both of those were original productions under the accapellas and most of the Black Album versions followed that. Kno's The White Albulum or Kevin Brown's The Brown Album are some noteable examples (the later which I think is the best out there. Very jazzy).

My personal taste was that this gimmick (Big Name + Big Name + Broader Issue) overshadowed some other stellar efforts. Not that it isn't good but no one cares that there might be something better.

Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11781174)

Of course this is old as hip-hop itself. Dancehall exists on the idea of a riddim becoming popular itself and multiple deejays rap/sing over it.

Holy crap... Did you really just spell "Rhythm" using "d" and "i" twice each!?

No wonder nobody with more than a third-grade educations takes hip-hop seriously.

Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? (1)

trs9000 (73898) | more than 9 years ago | (#11781272)

You have all of the facts and a good perspective on what we're talking about. (After looking at your journal, I realize I'm not the only one on /. who knows who Jazze Pha is).

But consider this: The Beatles didn't do anything new. (Well of course they did, later, but stick with me). They bit all these black american blues artists. All they did was popularize it. Same thing is (more) true of Elvis. So, do they not deserve their recognition? Maybe you'd say no, but I think they do. The important thing they did was bring all this music to the masses. They brought attention to it, which allowed for things to move forward (or sideways or whatever). That's important. That's worth mentioning.

Reading over these Awards (2, Insightful)

JMPrice (598519) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779357)

I can't help but think of those who got left out--i.e. the rest of the members of the teams the highlighted individuals work with. Anyone else get the feeling that some of these awards should have gone to the whole team and the selection of a single individual was rather arbitrary?

Penfold, shush! (5, Funny)

RatBastard (949) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779381)

I prefer my Dangermouse to be animated and British, thank you very much.

Re:Penfold, shush! (1)

syukton (256348) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779544)

yeah, I was like "Um, Danger Mouse cut an ... album? I didn't think he had the voice for it.."

I hate stuff like this (2, Insightful)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 9 years ago | (#11779963)

Articles like this just make me feel like a big loser. :-( My life is one of squandered oppurtunity. I was one of the best and brightest when I was younger. What the fuck happened?

Hey, I'm honest, at least.

Re:I hate stuff like this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11781080)

Yes...I am sure that you were a unique and beautiful snowflake.

Enough free advertizing for wired... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11780317)

seems like every story they frontpage gets frontpaged on /.


enough with supporting them and they views-based advertizing, we are all intelligent people, an if we want to read what is on wired, we already have the page bookmarked in our browser.

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