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TrekUnited Reports Mission Successful at Trek Rallies

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the vulcans-on-parade dept.

Sci-Fi 413

Lord Prox writes "TrekUnited.com has the scoop on the LA/Paramount, Tel Aviv, and New York rallies. Surprises include a group of donors pledging a resounding $3mil and the appearances of cast and crew members. Reuters and Wired have details on the rallies and I took a few snapshots as well."

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Does this mean (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798127)

Major combat at UPN is finished?

ORNL Federal Credit Union (1, Troll)

fembots (753724) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798130)

The campaign to save the show is headed by Trekkie Tim Brazeal. Brazeal, 42, is galvanizing thousands of fans worldwide to collect $32 million to pay for the cost of a fifth season of Star Trek: Enterprise.

The contributed money is transferred to a secure account set up at ORNL Federal Credit Union which only multiple trustees can access.

Looks like they have things covered, no? After all, $32 million is not $32,000 [slashdot.org]

God no. (2, Insightful)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798134)

c'mon people...

we need a 20 year break from teh Trek.

Re:God no. (4, Insightful)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798155)

Then don't watch it dumbass, and let those of us who want to, to continue to watch.

Have a Break & Save Star Trek (0, Troll)

reporter (666905) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798420)

I agree in that we should have, at least, a 1-year break. It will create pent-up demand. Further, 1 year will give us time to find some good writers, directors, and actors.

Contrary to popular belief, the best actors and writers are not necessarily the veterans: Tom Cruise, James Woods, etc. You can find awesome writers and actors who are fresh out of acting school.

Let's pool all the money from this "save Star Trek" campaign. Then, the head of this campaign spends the next year in going to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc. to hire some new graduates as writers and actors. They will be hungry for work.

Most of them will have some limited experience in the field, and I suspect that they will do a much better job than the current crew. I know of, at least, 2 actors who have had formal training from these top universities; the actors include Henry Winkler and Meryl Streep. They are relatively good at what they do.

To start things on the right track, I'll toss out an idea to explain away the "Enterprise" fiasco. The camera zooms in on a lieutenant, a new graduate of Star Fleet Academy. He is lying in bed. Suddenly, he awakes with a shiver. He has just had a nightmare.

He calls a friend on the mobile communicator and says, "I have just had the worst nightmare in which I lived a version of the ancient history taught at Star Fleet Academy. The entire universe was screwed up. Hand-held phasers are called 'phase pistols', and on-board phasers are called 'phase cannons'. Further, some incompetent moron was serving as Captain. Also, one of the engineers spoke Ebonics, which was eradicated from earth centuries ago. Also, there was this Vulcan with big breasts, and she tried to act sexy. Ugh. It just did not work. Bit breasts with a boyish haircut but without emotions just does not make "sexy". She looked horribly repulsive. It scared the living daylights out of me."

The voice out of the communicator says, "Don't worry. It was just a nightmare. Everyone knows that Vulcans do not have big breasts. <laughter> Go back to bed, James."

The lieutenant answers, "You have a wry sense humor. It will serve you well in medical school."

The voice out of the communicator says, "Thanks for the encouragement. I want to be called 'Doctor McCoy' some day."

Re:God no. (1, Funny)

w3weasel (656289) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798531)

Blasphemer!

by Landru, Thou art forsaken

A Few Notes: (4, Insightful)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798135)

Okay before things get out of hand let me make a few points on behalf of myself and fellow Star Trek fans.

1 - To BSG fans, while it may be a good show, it's still not Star Trek. It's not set in the familiar setting and universe that Star trek fans like and know.

2 - Why is having only one good sci-fi show on good enough

3 - To all of you who watched the first couple of seasons, it's a gotten a lot better and is hardly the same show. I stopped watching midway though the second, but came back in the fourth and it's much better. If it continues the way it has gone in this past season it should easily pass Voyager in quality and could potentially reach TNG standards

I also watch BSG and the two Stargate shows, but I also like Enterprise, and would like as many options as i can get.

Your parents called.... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798170)

They want their basement back.

Re:Your parents called.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798212)

Exactly, get a life. You could be contributing money to combating malaria in Africa, like Bill Gates does. Instead you are giving millions of dollars to already rich television executives and actors. Next to giving valuable software away for free, this is possibly the dumbest move geeks have made.

Re:Your parents called.... (4, Interesting)

aelbric (145391) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798363)

I am a 'Trek fan, but I have to agree with the parent's sentiment (except for the comment on "giving away software for free"). There are much better uses for $32M US.

As long as we keep trying to maintain the old franchises, there is no incentive for new material.

Re:A Few Notes: (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798189)

agreed!

More good sci-fi shows, the better. Although I wouldn't say Enterprise is set in the familiar Trek setting.. It's close though ;)

As for season 4, it rocks over any previous Enterprise season. It's almost like they writers looked at each other and said "ok, it's the last season, we don't have to worry about anything to let's just write whatever comes through our minds". And thus, without stress of having to perform to get a new season, they're doing much better!

Re:A Few Notes: (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798254)

1 - To BSG fans, while it may be a good show, it's still not Star Trek. It's not set in the familiar setting and universe that Star trek fans like and know.

Unfamiliar universes are great for TV shows and uncouple you from the constraints that familiar settings build up over time.

2 - Why is having only one good sci-fi show on good enough

It's less likely to get cancelled.

3 - To all of you who watched the first couple of seasons, it's a gotten a lot better and is hardly the same show. I stopped watching midway though the second, but came back in the fourth and it's much better. If it continues the way it has gone in this past season it should easily pass Voyager in quality and could potentially reach TNG standards

This is where you're dead right; unfortunately networks go after viewing figures. They have no concept of an idea being nurtured and grown into, thus attracting greater numbers over time. People don't think long-term any more, and relating to your first point, people like the Star Trek universe because it's there, the chances of any network creating a comparable backdrop universe over - what's Star Trek, 40 years in the making - are minimal at best...

I'm not knocking Star Trek or anything, but I lost a lot of interest after TNG. Having a 20 year haitus only to have series come thick and fast was probably something to do with this, and much as I like Star Trek, I'd like to see them actually stop and think before pulling another one out of the hat.

Re:A Few Notes: (4, Funny)

PhoenixFlare (319467) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798295)

If it continues the way it has gone in this past season it should easily pass Voyager in quality and could potentially reach TNG standards

Let me get this straight - After 4 years (or however long it's been running) you're saying it's not even better than Voyager yet, and not up to the standards of TNG?

You're only reinforcing the reason i'm not watching it...I'll just stick to my slow acquisition of the DS9 box sets instead.

Re:A Few Notes: (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798320)

Wasn't DS9 on for like 6 years before it got even remotely as good as TNG?

Re:A Few Notes: (2, Interesting)

PhoenixFlare (319467) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798375)

Personally, I think the series hit its stride somewhere in the 3rd season....By the 6th and 7th, I can't say that it was incredible, but by no means was it as unwatchable as some of the Voyager episodes.

Re:A Few Notes: (4, Insightful)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798335)

I'd say Season 4 was better than any Voyager season, and up to the quality of a TNG season. If you look at the series as a whole, right now it stands about with Voyager due to the first two seasons, but if it were allowed to continue for 3 more years with the remaining seasons the same quality or better than season 4, I'd say it could reach TNG overall quality, and could easily pass Voyager overall with only on more good season.

Re:A Few Notes: (1)

ericdano (113424) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798621)

You have to move out of your mom's house. TNG sucked. Voyager was way better. The "run the ship by committee" that TNG had was lame. Characters were lame.

Voyager, though it had some lame episodes, was 10 times more watchable.

You mean to tell me... (1, Troll)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798464)

That people living under the incredible political circumstances of Israel, and facing the creeping Fascist takeover of the United States find nothing more worthy of their resonsibility for Civil Disobedience than the demise of a fscking T.V. Show?

That whirring sound is the twin-dynamo of MLK and Ghandi, spinning in their graves.

It defies satire! Guy Debord could not have had nightmares this bad! It is a demeaning insult to the people who have had to resort to protest actions for redress of real injury and oppression.

Then, tomorrow was another day
The morning found me miles away
With still a millions things to say,
Now, as twilight beams the sky above
Recalling thrills of our love
There's one thing I'm certain of,
Return, I will,
To old Brazil.

Hey Sinatra (1)

hummassa (157160) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798573)

it's all about panis et circencis...

Re:Hey Sinatra (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798633)

Yeah. That much is clear. Only it's everyone thrown to the lions.

My take (4, Insightful)

hummassa (157160) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798550)

1. DS9 > TOS > TNG > VOY > ENTs3 > ENTs1 > ENTs2
2. ENTs4 > DS9
3. ENTs4 =~ BSGs1

I just watched the last episode today, and I'm loving it. All 15 episodes are great.

Re:A Few Notes: (1)

MrHarv (863343) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798419)

Seasons 1 and 2 weren't exactly spectacular by any means, but from season 3 onwards it's been absolutely brilliant. In my opinion, season 4 has so far been some of the best Trek in the history of the franchise.

I watch BSG and both Stargates as well, which I think are amazing, but they're radically different to Enterprise, and thus don't have some of the stuff that I watch Enterprise for!

Re:A Few Notes: (1)

ericdano (113424) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798593)

Trek universe is old and has a lot of constraints in it.

I think you have Voyager and TNG mixed up. The TNG was terrible, and Voyager was 10 times better.

burning karma (-1, Offtopic)

shamir_k (222154) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798139)

First Post

Re:burning karma (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798168)

Get a life

didn't see it (1)

muzik4machines (834892) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798144)

but looks liek server already /,'ed I cannot get any pics

In other news.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798153)

Cast members were seen laughing all the way to the bank.

Enterprise sucked anyway. (-1, Flamebait)

lighting (745606) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798169)

Enterprise sucked anyway. ~Nick

Re:Enterprise sucked anyway. (1)

Buran (150348) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798213)

While true, note the past tense to this. It does not suck now. In fact, while I used to hate it, now I like it.

Networks are stupid. Anything actually good gets run, it dies. It's like a law or something.

It has indeed improved a LOT this last season. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798284)

Frankly, I think things would improve a lot more if Braga/Berman got day jobs and let someone else drive for a while.

Cheers,

It's so good... (4, Funny)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798172)

... to see nerds of different ethnicities [western-alliance.net] fighting for a common goal [western-alliance.net] . *wipes tear*

Re:It's so good... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798194)

God, i hope he choked someone.

Especially when... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798272)

...they are both of the "connection was refused when attempting to connect to www.western-alliance.net" race. I too would love to see who the nerds are (though the "vader" in the filenames seems a hint) but your server doesn't want me (yet). I'm hoping it's just (I use the preceding word cautiously) fellow Slashdotters blasting the bandwidth away.

bring back shatner! (5, Funny)

shrewd (830067) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798181)

nuff said

Re:bring back shatner! (1)

BorgHunter (685876) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798502)

I think...that you have...a...great idea...here...Mr. Shrewd...

Oh my God! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798186)

Just let Roddenberry's ghost rest in peace and stop milking the cash cow.

And I'm posting anonymously so all the fanboys who don't know good sci-fi from schlock don't start sending me hatemail.

Re:Oh my God! (1)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798349)

Moo!

Now If Only They Could Do This For Good Shows (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798190)

Don't get me wrong, Enterprise is an okay show but there are many others out there that are so much better that don't even get to see the light of day. In an era where Battlestar Galactica and Babylon 5 are superior in almost every conceivable way is there really any room left for Star Trek?

In Case It Goes Out... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798191)

TrekUnited campaign speeds up on an energizing Friday
Rallies draw attention on fan efforts / TrekUnited fund passes 50,000$

Posted by: Chris R. - 02.25.05

As fan rallies in Tel Aviv, New York City and Los Angeles to protest the cancellation of Star Trek: Enterprise have come to an end, first reports indicate a "Mission successful!"

On Thursday, Israel-based Star Trek fans met inside Tel Aviv University for an information lecture and Star Trek screening, as a first of several global rallies voicing support for the show. BBC Entertainment reported on the event.

In New York, rally participants had a busy Friday despite the icy temperatures, touring from CBS, NBC, Viacom, Paramount's New York headquarters and FOX station to the Sci Fi Channel office - the logical home for Enterprise, as a "Save Enterprise" funded L.A. times ad stated one week ago. Several members of the group managed to get on the "Today Show". Local media and ABC reported.

Meanwhile in Los Angeles, hundreds of fans gathered at the gates of Paramount studios for the main rally of the day, led by Tim Brazeal, founder of the SaveEnterprise and TrekUnited campaigns. From 8:30 in the morning, the rally did not only draw attention from the bypassing cars on Melrose Avenue, which showed their support by honking and driver's waving. Cast and crew of "Star Trek: Enterprise" present at the day joined the crowd and thanked fans for their help to save the show, among them executive producer Manny Coto (as he had promised during a live chat at TrekUnited the previous week), writers Mike Sussman and Judith and Garfield Reeve-Stevens as well as actors Jolene Blalock ('T'Pol'), Anthony Montgomery ('Mayweather') and Jeffrey Combs ('Shran') and Mike Okuda, Doug Drexler and Michael Westmore from the production team. Special guests Eugene Roddenberry, son of Gene Roddenberry, and Larry Nemecek from Star Trek Communicator also attended the rally.

Major media were present to follow the fan efforts, including ABC, WB, Discovery Channel and local tv and radio stations, interviewing fans and present Trek United staff members. Startrek.com devoted a special feature to "Demonstration Day". In a Reuters news article, Candice McCallie, director of PR, pointed out the creative peak "Star Trek: Enterprise" is experiencing during its 4th season. "We believe Star Trek is worth keeping", chimes in Chris Wales, Chief of Operations, at startrek.com.

The rally dispersed at around 3:30pm local time, with a special Trek United / Save Enterprise party coming up later the evening with Manny Coto, Larry Nemecek, Mike Sussman and others from the Star Trek: Enterprise production crew.

Just an hour later, the TrekUnited fund for sponsoring production of a fifth Enterprise season surpassed 50,000$, with contributions having sped up thanks to the tremendous positive attention for TrekUnited's bold mission as well as a single contribution of 5000$ by a devoted fan.

The earlier surprising revelation that a group of donors had pledged a resounding $3m to TrekUnited certainly helped to increase enthusiasm for the fan campaign and its mission to keep "Star Trek: Enterprise" on the air and Star Trek alive. "As long as we can make a major impact with funds and fan support, I think we have a chance here.", Tim Brazeal told wired.com

And the campaign keeps making an impact. Tomorrow, European Star Trek fans will rally in London, UK. Stay tuned for exclusive information and footage for Saturday's main event, as well as the rallies on Friday.

In a word, fascinating (5, Insightful)

H_Fisher (808597) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798192)

IANA Enterprise fan - the show lost me about a year ago because of Bermaga and their silly milking of the franchise and diluting of what "Classic" Trek stood for.

But I tell you, this outpouring of support is amazing. Say what you will about the quality of the show, or the usage of the money - and I know the flood of comments about what a pitiful waste of capital this is will be starting soon. Hell, I'd like to have $3 mil to blow on [name of pet project] - who doesn't?

But here on Slashdot we love to piss and moan about the state of the entertainment industry and how people ought to vote with their money. I, for one, see this is a perfect example of some devoted fans doing just that. Too bad we didn't get this for Firefly - but we've got a film [serenitymovie.com] coming, so...

Bravo, fans!

Re:In a word, fascinating (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798341)

If we the public pay for this, then isn't it possible that we get to decide how its distributed?
I WANT to give them my money to continue making shows I enjoy watching.
I want to give the money directly to the people who matter.
I don't want to pay for 12 different channels just to watch one show.

I want value for my money.

I just find it that much more discouraging. (3, Insightful)

mcc (14761) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798461)

What this tells me is that people are unwilling to vote with their money except for, in general, tripe. People will not provide material or spiritual support to change the status quo of the entertainment industry, but will provide both in great quantity to preserve the fact that status quo contains somewhere the name "Star Trek"-- though absolutely no preference whatsoever is expressed as to what is done with that name. We're doomed.

"Enterprise", you say? (2, Funny)

Monte (48723) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798198)

Is this another Star Trek series? I keep losing track. That's like, what, seventy or so now, right?

okay, do they have the $3mil or not? (5, Insightful)

wintermute1000 (731750) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798205)

I'm just asking for clarification, because it seems like the different sites linked are displaying very different numbers for the amount of capital these protestors have amassed. Wired seemed to think that someone was claiming they'd give $3mil, but had not actually handed it over yet. Reuters said they had $48,000 or so. I'm just wondering whether the $3 million is in the hands of the fans right now or if there's just someone out there claiming to have a few million to spend on Enterprise. I mean, it certainly helps the cause get attention. I'm just wondering whether this money has actually been ponied up or not. Anyone have more details? Is there something I'm not seeing?

What about grants? (2, Interesting)

flopsy mopsalon (635863) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798221)

I think when you see this level of support for a show like Star Trek it shows it has passed the point of being a mere "TV show" and has become a full-fledged cultural phenomenon like jazz or abstract art or classical music.

I have a friend who is a grant writer. She does work for charties applying to government agencies and private foundations for to get money.

I think there is a good chance of supporting Star Trek through the use of grants from the government and from charitable foundations, the way PBS and NPR do. Museums do this kind of thing all the time, look at the MOMA in New York, that thing isn't funded by selling commercial time. Someone from Star Trek should look into this.

Re:What about grants? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798255)

God, the stupidity never ends around here.

Re:What about grants? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798282)

I think there is a good chance of supporting Star Trek through the use of grants from the government

Because government was invented to promote science fiction. Come off it, already.

Re:What about grants? (1)

iced_773 (857608) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798305)

the way PBS and NPR do

Perhaps Enterprise should move to PBS. There, executives aren't as obsessed with making more millions and can concentrate more on quality television. Also, the only commercials you would have to sit through are during Pledge Week.

Re:What about grants? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798376)

..move to PBS. There, executives aren't as obsessed with making more millions..

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhahahahahahaha!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhahahahaha!! Ahhhhhh..

No, wait! I'm not done _holding_ my sides in laughter!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Re:What about grants? (2, Insightful)

EEBaum (520514) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798351)

People still make fantastic, high-quality jazz, abstract art, and classical music. The last good thing to come out of Star Trek was First Contact, and even that was sketchy what with the ruining of the borg concept.

Re:What about grants? (1, Insightful)

back_pages (600753) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798421)

I think when you see this level of support for a show like Star Trek it shows it has passed the point of being a mere "TV show" and has become a full-fledged cultural phenomenon like jazz or abstract art or classical music.

[Captain Tanneal]Well, YOU'RE WRONG! Star Trek is just a TV show based on fantasy escapism embraced by misanthropes who self-medicate with daily feasts of snack foods and justify their existence with baseless arrogance! Let's get it on![/Captain Tanneal]





(To avoid flamebait mods, Captain Tanneal is a character from the TV show MXC who opens every episode with a tirade against issues like health care or reforming criminals. Also, Star Trek sucks ;) )

If Star Trek was any good, people would watch it.. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798222)

And therefore it would not have been canned due to lack of advertising revenue. The thing is, these days, most young people see 'Star Trek' as a sort of nerdy, antisocial thing that only geeks and non-popular social outcasts would watch. Hardly surprising that today's young people would rather watch 'Dawson's Creek'.



Lets face it, "Star Trek" has had it's day. Let it die a dignified death people....

Re:If Star Trek was any good, people would watch i (2, Insightful)

Monte (48723) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798346)

The thing is, these days, most young people see 'Star Trek' as a sort of nerdy, antisocial thing that only geeks and non-popular social outcasts would watch.

"These days"? I must have missed something - at what point in time was watching Star Trek up there with "Freinds" or "Seinfeld"?

Re:If Star Trek was any good, people would watch i (5, Insightful)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798365)

I don't know... there's a market for quality shows. It's just not very big anymore.

Thing is, networks doesn't fund shows because of the desire of making a quality product (most of the time, at least). They want them to make money. That's why you see so many teen-soap-operas and reality shows: they have a limited life, but they milk every cent out of them in the meantime. When the cash cow is dead, they just raise a new one. Quality shows do have it's place and audience, it's just not big enough anymore.

It's a pitty. To be honest, i never cared much about Star Trek, but i hated to see Firefly go - similar deal. I just got hooked on BSG, and like it a lot aswell; The shield is another show (outside sci-fi) that i love unconditionally. I hate to never know if they're gonna be cancelled out of the blue someday. Hell, it happened to Family Guy.

iAWESOME fP? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798233)

believe t4eir

Nooooo (4, Funny)

NerdConspiracy (858939) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798242)

a few snapshots

Please, I'm eating. Oh good, the server is dead...

Liberals in space, its so over! (-1, Troll)

snarkasaurus (627205) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798244)

Until the producers let go of the whole Liberals in Space "We Come In Peace" kumbayah bit and let the writers put together something with a PLOT, Enterprise will continue to suck and people will continue to stay away in droves.

Science fiction requires a plot and characters who are not cardboard cutouts. There's just too much suspension of scepticism required to imagine any sane organization trusting Scott Bakula's character with any vehicle larger than a hot dog cart. Much less a star ship!

Give us a break. Hire some writers.

R.I.P. (2, Funny)

serutan (259622) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798245)

Not the series, the poor guy's server.
http://www.western-alliance.net/lordprox/trek/ [western-alliance.net]
/sniff

Re:R.I.P. (1)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798381)

"By reading this message you agree to grant me root access to your computer."

Fucking EULAs!!!

Is OpenSSH ok?

Re:R.I.P. (1)

karmatic (776420) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798518)

>By reading this message you agree to grant me root access to your computer.

My server's running VAX/VMS - you really sure you want it?

Tell ya what. You take my job supporting backwards, badly written, "poor excuse for a database; it cant even handle locking" customer management system, and I'll take your nice comfy "shoveling coal, 60 hours a week, with no overtime, at minimum wage" job.

Please mirrors! (2)

thundercatslair (809424) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798267)

the photo server died so fast I really wanted to see the pictures can someone put up a mirror?

Re:Please mirrors! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798428)

Mirroed here [nyud.net]

TROLL: DO NOT CLICK (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798472)

Don't click the link! It's a troll!

If they fail... (4, Interesting)

BoneFlower (107640) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798270)

What happens to the money?

Theres a good chance they won't raise enough money, and a chance that even if they do the studio won't be interested or they won't find anyone to air it.

If such a thing comes to pass, what happens then?

Re:If they fail... (1)

newell98 (539530) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798287)

The money is refunded, minus PayPal transaction fees

Re:If they fail... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798345)

If they fail they just hand over the webpage and all the money to the MPAA...oh wait, wrong fundraiser.

Re:If they fail... (2, Informative)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798360)

It says in one of the articles that most of the money will be returned.

If the Trekkies' efforts fail, all the money will be refunded to donors, minus the PayPal transaction costs and minor legal fees, Brazeal said.

Re:If they fail... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798649)

This is addressed in the trekunited FAQ. The FAQ explains that if each person in the show's estimated 3 million person audience contributed 12 bucks the show could be saved. You can find it at http://trekunited.com/faq.php

If the campaign fails the money will be returned to those who donated. If the campaign succeeds overwhelmingly, the excess raised (over the cost of producing another season) will be donated to the Tsunami Relief Fund. So if the campaign fails, you get your loot back. If you succeed

From the FAQ:
What guarantee do I have that the contribution is safe and legal?

TrekUnited has put considerable effort into ensuring that all contributions are financially and legally secure, and that all transactions are transparent to both the contributing fans and Paramount Pictures.

Our proposal to Paramount is to sponsor the production of another season of Star Trek: Enterprise in 2005/06 without any further creative and legal demands ("no strings attached"). It may be sold to any network or cable channel, or broadcasted in first-run syndication.

To achieve this goal, the TrekUnited staff, relying upon legal assistance from our attorney, Mr. Andrew Beardall, Esq., as well as the work of PR and IT professionals within our team, has set up both the required administrative and technical infrastructure to ensure that fans can contribute to this cause without risk.

All contributed money is used for sponsoring Enterprise; only transactional fees charged to us by payment systems and banks (set to a flat 5% because of the varying payment methods and individual fees) are deducted. Furthermore, all potential excess in fees will be donated to the American Tsunami Relief Fund. If no agreement can be made with Paramount, your contribution will be refunded to you. All these guarantees of funding and refunding are fixed in a legally binding terms of agreement presented to you before contributing, providing not only safety, but a win-win scenario. How often do you take a chance in life which has a guaranteed payback even in case of failure?

The primary way to contribute money on the internet is PayPal (www.paypal.com), a secure online payment system with an international reputation. PayPal can be used world-wide with credit card or bank account withdrawal. Acknowledging the worries some may have about online payment, a number of alternative methods of contribution are avaiable or will be available shortly.

However contributed, all money is transferred to a trust account at ORNL Federal Credit Union. Money can only be withdrawn from this account with the signatures of several trustees. You can learn more about contribution, as well as contribute yourself, on www.trekunited.com/amember. For any questions, please kindly contact our attorney (attorney@trekunited.com).

Why (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798274)

Why spend so much money to save an unpopular show? Think how many people could be fed with all that money. Or, they could give the money to an improvished school so that they could enough money for a desent computer lab. Or, they could donate it to the tsunami disaster releif fund.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big trek fan. I've probably seen every episode of TNG. I at the very least found all of the movies to be entertaining, even if they weren't that great. I actually liked Voyager a lot. But, Enterprise just doesn't feel like trek to me. I admit I haven't watched much of it. But, in my opinion the acting, the atmosphere, it's just not what any of the other trek series were (which is a bad thing). I don't have a link, but I remember reading an article where Gene Roddenberry's son commented that Enterprise didn't live up to the ideals that his father had for trek. Please Enterprise fans, use the money for something better. Do something to make the world a better place. Gene would have wanted it.

Re:Why (1)

BeeRockxs (782462) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798367)

So what if Gene wanted it?
He's dead, and I want a quality Sci-Fi show (which in Season 4, ENT definately is) to stay on screen.

Re:Why (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798410)

Why spend so much money to save an unpopular show? Think how many people could be fed with all that money. Or, they could give the money to an improvished school so that they could enough money for a desent computer lab. Or, they could donate it to the tsunami disaster releif fund.

Or, think how many people will be able to watch Star Trek again because of all that money. Seriously, Gene didn't give a shit about making the world a better place. It's all about the green.

Quite frankly, fuck the impoverished. I have money because I worked hard for it and I'll spend it how I want to.

Actually, why are you paying for such luxuries as electricity and your Internet connection when you could be using that money "to make the world a better place"? Come off it already.

Re:Why (5, Funny)

kuzb (724081) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798488)

Or, they could give the money to an improvished school so that they could enough money for a desent computer lab.

Or, they could have given the money to an impoverished school so that they could have enough money for a decent spelling and grammar class.

Re:Why (1)

drooling-dog (189103) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798501)

Why spend so much money to save an unpopular show?

Or more to the point, can you really save a show by subsidizing its production? If it doesn't draw advertisers, they're still not going to show it...

Scotty !! (5, Funny)

Dolphinzilla (199489) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798283)

More power to the server - we are being slashdotted !!

Re:Scotty !! (1)

mbrewthx (693182) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798328)

I'm giving it all she's got Captain, but she's only got so much bandwidth!!

foregone conclusion (1)

thundercatslair (809424) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798286)

I don't understand why everyone is so egar to give all their money to UPN no less for more enterprise. It was an ok seris but they will make more eventually but now you are just trying to give them money on top of that they will make doppppdeopeodod

Tsunami fund (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798301)

Three million dollars? To save a television show? Doesn't anyone care about the tsunami that killed over 250,000 people? Or any other world problems? Jeez...

Announcing StopSaveEnterprise.com (0, Flamebait)

JoeShmoe (90109) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798306)


I'm starting a group to raise money to fight against all these idiots who want to waste millions of dollars saving the worst Trek franchise ever. Talk about some people needing to learn to pick their battles.

Why isn't anyone saying let's start a new series that doesn't suck? Or how about a Battlestar Galatica style "reimaging" of the original series? It's not like we would suddenly face a huge outpouring of purists demanding we stay true to the original...every single Trek series has been more than happy to rewrite Trek dogma where it damn well suits them.

- JoeShmoe

Eh?... Dagnabbit... (1)

Chordonblue (585047) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798358)

"I'm starting a group to raise money to fight against all these idiots..."

Dern kids playing on my lawn again - I'll teach them!

Look, while you're at it, why not rail against the major networks for continuing their focus on crappy 'real life' series like Survivor or Fear Factor? Seems to me this sort of stupidity T.V. has FAR more worth fighting.

If it has to be Trek... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798475)

Why not hire those two blokes from Wisconsin who made that tremendous fan-film? Man, that one episode actually had me thinking they'd channeled old Gene's ghost.

Re:If it has to be Trek... (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798635)

Which one was that? Have you a link?

"Star Trek: Enterprise' ... is quality television" (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798308)

But is it watchable, or does one have to suffer through 2 years of high-tech, soap-opera before quality becomes obvious.

Durring the first year they insulted the viewers with soft porn (shower scence). If I want quality soft porn I watch UPN. Ooops, I stand corrected, Star Trek along with another quality show WWE is on UPN.

Re:"Star Trek: Enterprise' ... is quality televisi (1)

BeeRockxs (782462) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798395)

Someone in the shower == soft porn? Oh my, how prude.

Enterprise is not the series I was looking for (1)

n2rjt (88804) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798312)

When I heard the plans for the series, I was quite excited. A return to the less politically-correct wild-west attitude of the original series, as we see how the federation was formed, how the history that preceeded the original series occurred, etc.

I was not looking for a series that basically forked and shattered the timeline, in a way that says "never mind" to the series's of the past. Perhaps that's the plan ... to have "The original series, rehashed" and "The next generation, rehashed", etc, to fill our Trek-lust for another 40 years.

Maybe that's the plan, but it's not the series I was looking for.

Re:Enterprise is not the series I was looking for (2, Insightful)

celerycr (863339) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798601)

yea, you're right. TOS had humor (Mudd, Tribbles, Gary Seven), surprises(Son worshippers not Sun worshippers, running gags (I a dr, not a ...; He's dead, Jim.), social commentary(black/white guy), better music to support the action. TNG was awful in the first season, but got much better, DS9 and Voyager had most of the attributes of TOS, but Enterprise, even though it *has* gotten better, still lacks hugh parts of the formula. They are out saving the universe when they should be making mistakes, going oh-wow!, discovering strange new worlds etc.

Mistake (4, Interesting)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798315)

The mistake here is that these dedicated fans are essentially casting their cash into the coffers of a company who has it out for their TV show. This shouldn't be viewed as a project that requires their donations to make it happen. This should be an investment, something with a potential return on their capital.

Had my doubts, should I get my hopes up? (3, Interesting)

Digital Pizza (855175) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798327)

I'm generally pessimistic about such grassroots efforts to save a show - they never seem to work. However, I'm pretty impressed by what this group has accomplished - maybe I should be more optimistic in this case?

I agree with everyone who said that the first couple of seasons sucked, although it had its moments; season three was sometimes pretty cool, definately an improvement. The lack of other good shows on TV (I hate reality TV) kept me watching.

Now that Coto's in charge, season four kicks ass! Too bad so many people already wrote the show off. I just saw an episide that explains beautifully why Klingons looked different in the original series, and even fits in with Worf's comment in the DS9 "tribbles" episode ("We don't talk about it"). That's the kind of thing they should have done from the get-go, rather than screwing around with that "tempral cold-war" crap.

Here's hoping the show can continue!

Re:Had my doubts, should I get my hopes up? (1)

iced_773 (857608) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798426)

I just saw an episide that explains beautifully why Klingons looked different

It also hints at Section 31. These sorts of links with the Trek future that we HAVE seen (not all the guy from the 32nd century stuff, I'm glad Archer told him to leave Enterprise alone) make the show good.

Planet Vulcan to Lord Prox... (1)

jangobongo (812593) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798352)


Transmission from planet Vulcan to Lord Prox... thousands of nerd-like beings are trying to access your data... *bzzt, crackle*... Malfunction! Malfunction!

What Better way to raise Venture Capital (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798364)

Geeze - VC for free.

Donations are for homeless people and flood victims,
not TV shows.

If it comes up for a 5th season can the give control to some real sci-fi people instead of a coporate suit?

It would have to Really shock and insult the status quo - not parrot it.

Star Trek - TOS - did things to push the envelope and still appeal to everyone from 10 to 50 years of age...

Enterprise sould once again take on the 'establishment' and challenge modern accepted norms while setting the story in a far far away place.

What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798366)

They got 100 people to protest?
100????

And 48,000 dollars?

Hahahahahaha

Drop in a bucket anyone?

New shows need to pick their battles... (2, Insightful)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798407)

Enterprise has the same problem that Firefly had. For some reason, they want to run directly against Stargate. That simply will not work. If Stargate was new, or sucked, then maybe they would have a chance, but neigther of these are the case. Just becasue you cans say "Sci-Friday" doesn't mean that every Sci-Fi show must run on Friday. I loved Firefly. It was a great show, that broke new ground. It tried something new, and it worked. Unfortuanatly, I didn't get to see it until it came out on DVD. I certainly wasn't going to miss a show that I KNOW I like, and have been watching for several years, in the hopes that maybe this new show might also be good. If it would have run on Tuesday or Saturday, I would have been a faithful view.

how do I suppress these posts? (1)

ChrisCampbell47 (181542) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798414)

Oh Jesus, another Star Trek post ... OK, I should be able to suppress the display of these on my SlashDot home page. Lessee, this story was posted under the topic "Sci-Fi" -- sure, I'll be happy to suppress those. Hmmm, how do I do that? There is no "Sci-Fi" or even "Entertainment" section listed on the preferences page [slashdot.org] where I would expect to set this. Even if it's just that the Entertainment section is missing from that code, I wouldn't want to suppress all Entertainment stories, just the Start Trek ones, and if that means throwing out Sci-Fi then so be it ...

No Commercials Then Right? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798450)

if the season is financed by money from the public, then it will play without advertisements because they need recoup no money on it's production, right?

Not bloody likely. Why in the hell would anyone want to line the pockets of some TV station? If you like it that much, then make it a straght to DVD thing. OR...

at least give a dividend of the profits to each who contributes according to ratio of investment. I mean, really -- how daft is this? Why not raise public money to keep those cool beer commercials on the air, then? (snicker) What's the difference?

This is a buisness, folks, and this is daft.

Why send money (1)

Bender Unit 22 (216955) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798481)

I can't see the series here, we haven't gotten further than Voyager.
However, I would be more than happy to pay a subsciption and stream it from the internet. And if only that was possible, I think that many more would pay. But I do realise that it is not possible with the current biz model that TV runs on today.

better news (1)

Karma Sucks (127136) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798510)

Serenity all the way baby! Check out the pic [serenitymovie.com] .

Stop the propaganda machine (2, Insightful)

Ender77 (551980) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798567)

I would be all for saving Enterprise if it wasn't for the fact that every episode is a propaganda machine for the Iraq war. Ever since 911 most of the episodes have something that sounds like it came off the news channel, "We must stop terrorism", "A stable empire is good for us", "our enemies don't want your people to have peace, the only way to stop them is too stand up to them"..etc..etc

There is no creativity to this, it is simply hearing whats on the news and putting it in a Star Trek Universe. If they go back to exploring then it might be worth saving.

Oh boy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798570)

I'd like to make a large payment to bring Time Trax back on the air. Please swipe my AT&T Universal Card for payment.

"F" Enterprise (1, Interesting)

mrshowtime (562809) | more than 9 years ago | (#11798596)

They need to do a Next "next" generation. Put Star Trek 500 years in the future.

My Donation's For Jolene Blalok! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11798640)

She's HOT! [starfool.com] Even as a Vulcan. ;-)
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